as an 18 year old kid who plays a shit ton of video games, guitar, and has had several traumatic wrist injuries (broken arm+wrist bones, healed mostly okay) my hands hurt all the time. just try and take care of them. i mostly do very deep self-massage and stretching, trying to remove any built up scar tissue from repetitive use and/or injury, and slowly stretching to increase mobility. it has improved the apparent health of my hands/wrists incredibly, and it allows me to still improve COMFORTABLY WITHOUT PAIN at what i wanna do in the first place. guitar, tekken, elden ring, etc.
@Baby gimme Feet im glad you're doing better man. for me it meant a lot at the time, i took it upon myself to improve how i was doing in a healthy way. its exhilarating to enjoy and be taking care of yourself, and i think we all should strive for that before it kicks our ass in the long run
I'm a very average player at Tekken but I'm sure of one thing : after years of stick practicing, I switched to a lever less 3 years ago (modified an Hori RAP4 by changing the pannel and adding an SOCD Cleaner) and all the pain I could have by playing with a stick is totally removed now. I have some arthresis problems so it's a real releaf to have found this alternative. 😉
@@cfcombomagik9292 I had very few "tensions" in the forearm at very first but very few comparing with my sticks. Maybe the time to the muscles to adapt. My left wrist and left thumb were painful with sticks but now with my leverless controller all these pain have disapeared so far so I will keep going. My leverless controller is based on a HRAP4 stick. I hope that the PCB will be natively PS5 compatible on Tekken 8. 😉
What an absolute coincidence getting this video now. I recently got myself an Arcade stick after playing with keyboard for a while and I'm currently trying to practice and get my hand used it. I've been trying to try out the different grips, and the pinky and ring finger between the stick feels the best. Though a bat lever stick (thing??) is probably super different from the ball one. It's been a ride of fun and frustrating since I play 2D fighting games with tekken on the side. It's a very interesting video
Ive got a bat lever and an octagonal gate, you can change them quite easily (assuming you bought a square gate) so feel free to experiment. What I've found is that the ball players tend to stay within the deadzone to activation zone and bat players stay on the edge. I quite enjoy slamming the edges but it can be tough to get used to early on. Make sure you practice both sides! Wavu wavu are quite satisfying on 2p
Using a bat top and a Korean joystick: You can use the most accurate parts of your hand (index finger and thumb) in a natural position and because it's higher up you have more leverage. Korean sticks don't use the same type of pivot and spring that Japanese sticks use but a grommit and they return the middle differently. It's very good for tekken because because the return to center is bouncier it's very good for rhytmic movements like wavedashes and backdashes. Using a ball top and a Japanese joystick: The ball top part sits between your index and middle finger and your thumb sits lower than it would on a bat top. Even though technically you have less leverage than on a bat top it doesn'r make a big difference because Japanese sticks are used in a different way. Japanese sticks require a higher degree of control/accuracy to work well but it's really comfortable to use once your muscle memory learns the directions and motions. Neither option is wrong or worse. It's all about preference and what keeps you excited to play. I personally fell in love with Tekken and other arcade games playing them in Japanese arcades and i will always be loyal to Japanese ball top joysticks no matter what superior input methods will come in the future because that was my arcade experience growing up. I use a Seimitsu LSX-Nobi-Pro. It comes with a bat top installed but i use it with a ball top. It's the absolute best Japanese joystick option for fighting games.
Hi JDCR! You may need to see an orthopedic hand specialist which specializes in carpal tunnel syndrome. Always watch your videos, sad to see this. I hope you get well soon!
@@micahbell4774 That was twelve. I was looking video like that before with explanations. But no where not found. Only old Japan video I was using like as example
For my 2 years of experience with stick since I've transitioned from pad, I always find JDCR's grip as very "universal" because of how light he grips his lever, and whenever I am trying to sort of imitate his grip, I feel like a clunky 9th Kyu player. Maybe because of grommet tension (I have 35A blue tension)? Anyway, I wanted to adapt to his grip, but I am having a hard time. Any tips guys?
Sooo I’m in the same boat as you, I’ve been on stick for about a year and some change in total. My grip is quite like his but I have a golden Fanta lever with a customized yellow dual tension grommet. It has harder tension on the cardinals but soft diagonals which allows me not to have to hit the actuator as hard. I would suggest going with a lighter grommet so you can have some better comfort in your wrist.
Hi! JD. I also have cysts on my wrists. You could try wearing double wristbands. This is very effective, and the cyst can be relieved in about half a year.😆
As a fellow geriatric gamer with over 30 years of gaming under my belt. I know the pain. I have severe arthritis in my thumbs and can no longer play with a controller.
This is the biggest advertisement for leverless controllers I've seen. I already use one. I always hated "pushing" the stick towards the right, for example to do IAD (forward, upforward, neutral, forward) in melty blood. It's great and very easy on a leverless. Even my KBD is better, after a week or two of effort. When you push the stick with the palm, you have less control. If you grip with the hand, your tendons are tensed up. With a stick you are always making compromises.
I really hope T8 lowers the execution barrier. Not because these things can't be done, but because of health concerns for the players. A videogame, no matter how good, should not cause you carpal tunnel if you play it a lot. Give us inputs that are easier on the hands.
as an 18 year old kid who plays a shit ton of video games, guitar, and has had several traumatic wrist injuries (broken arm+wrist bones, healed mostly okay) my hands hurt all the time. just try and take care of them. i mostly do very deep self-massage and stretching, trying to remove any built up scar tissue from repetitive use and/or injury, and slowly stretching to increase mobility. it has improved the apparent health of my hands/wrists incredibly, and it allows me to still improve COMFORTABLY WITHOUT PAIN at what i wanna do in the first place. guitar, tekken, elden ring, etc.
@Baby gimme Feet im glad you're doing better man. for me it meant a lot at the time, i took it upon myself to improve how i was doing in a healthy way. its exhilarating to enjoy and be taking care of yourself, and i think we all should strive for that before it kicks our ass in the long run
Barre chords can be tiring on your hands
Thanks for sharing your story. And I wish you all the health & happiness for your future. You have a full life ahead, take care ...
@@sneharashmi7553 of course. having fun is just as important as taking care of yourself!
a 18 yo kid? man u are an grow ass man already, lmao
I'm a very average player at Tekken but I'm sure of one thing : after years of stick practicing, I switched to a lever less 3 years ago (modified an Hori RAP4 by changing the pannel and adding an SOCD Cleaner) and all the pain I could have by playing with a stick is totally removed now. I have some arthresis problems so it's a real releaf to have found this alternative. 😉
Do you get any pains from playing leverless?
@@cfcombomagik9292 I had very few "tensions" in the forearm at very first but very few comparing with my sticks. Maybe the time to the muscles to adapt. My left wrist and left thumb were painful with sticks but now with my leverless controller all these pain have disapeared so far so I will keep going. My leverless controller is based on a HRAP4 stick. I hope that the PCB will be natively PS5 compatible on Tekken 8. 😉
I stick with keyboard.
카메라돌아가는거 너무웃김
그리고 잡선생님 한번 테이핑같은거도 고려해보시는게 어떠신지요?
싼데비슷한
2:32 wave dat shit, back dat shit
I had similar issues, saw a physical therapist and they gave me various hand & wrist exercises and it immediately cured me. Strengthening helps a lot!
What an absolute coincidence getting this video now. I recently got myself an Arcade stick after playing with keyboard for a while and I'm currently trying to practice and get my hand used it.
I've been trying to try out the different grips, and the pinky and ring finger between the stick feels the best. Though a bat lever stick (thing??) is probably super different from the ball one.
It's been a ride of fun and frustrating since I play 2D fighting games with tekken on the side. It's a very interesting video
Goodluck with the stick! For me it took me atleast a month to get to the level where I was with the keyboard execution and muscle memory-wise.
Ive got a bat lever and an octagonal gate, you can change them quite easily (assuming you bought a square gate) so feel free to experiment. What I've found is that the ball players tend to stay within the deadzone to activation zone and bat players stay on the edge. I quite enjoy slamming the edges but it can be tough to get used to early on.
Make sure you practice both sides! Wavu wavu are quite satisfying on 2p
Using a bat top and a Korean joystick:
You can use the most accurate parts of your hand (index finger and thumb) in a natural position and because it's higher up you have more leverage.
Korean sticks don't use the same type of pivot and spring that Japanese sticks use but a grommit and they return the middle differently. It's very good for tekken because because the return to center is bouncier it's very good for rhytmic movements like wavedashes and backdashes.
Using a ball top and a Japanese joystick:
The ball top part sits between your index and middle finger and your thumb sits lower than it would on a bat top. Even though technically you have less leverage than on a bat top it doesn'r make a big difference because Japanese sticks are used in a different way. Japanese sticks require a higher degree of control/accuracy to work well but it's really comfortable to use once your muscle memory learns the directions and motions.
Neither option is wrong or worse. It's all about preference and what keeps you excited to play. I personally fell in love with Tekken and other arcade games playing them in Japanese arcades and i will always be loyal to Japanese ball top joysticks no matter what superior input methods will come in the future because that was my arcade experience growing up. I use a Seimitsu LSX-Nobi-Pro. It comes with a bat top installed but i use it with a ball top. It's the absolute best Japanese joystick option for fighting games.
Hi JDCR! You may need to see an orthopedic hand specialist which specializes in carpal tunnel syndrome. Always watch your videos, sad to see this. I hope you get well soon!
Yeah man I really wish that he remains in good shape and health.
Hey JD, this is really helpful video. Thank you for that video
Bro you were only two minutes into the video when you made this comment 💀
@@micahbell4774
That was twelve. I was looking video like that before with explanations. But no where not found. Only old Japan video I was using like as example
Wavodashi.. Bukdashi... Camera flipping.. best video ever.
its a really clean way to hold your stick.
I was wondering what resistance of spring/grommet do you use?
0:20 '산데비스탄'
샤이닝이나 어썰트 안되서 고민이었는데 잡다님 손캠 보고 따라했더니 역시 안되네요 감사합니다.
저는 6 66이 잘되더라구요
Jimmy! Please help.
Elite technique.
0:25 이정도의 싼데비스탄을 사용하다니 역시...
Dragonov’s Voice actor died. 1 WR 2: one respect.
Bruh get your hand looked at by a doctor, doing those unlimited EWGFs gotta hurt in the long run
For my 2 years of experience with stick since I've transitioned from pad, I always find JDCR's grip as very "universal" because of how light he grips his lever, and whenever I am trying to sort of imitate his grip, I feel like a clunky 9th Kyu player. Maybe because of grommet tension (I have 35A blue tension)? Anyway, I wanted to adapt to his grip, but I am having a hard time. Any tips guys?
Sooo I’m in the same boat as you, I’ve been on stick for about a year and some change in total. My grip is quite like his but I have a golden Fanta lever with a customized yellow dual tension grommet. It has harder tension on the cardinals but soft diagonals which allows me not to have to hit the actuator as hard. I would suggest going with a lighter grommet so you can have some better comfort in your wrist.
Hi! JD. I also have cysts on my wrists. You could try wearing double wristbands. This is very effective, and the cyst can be relieved in about half a year.😆
Maybe its time to switch to hitbox? Hope you get better 🙏
What lever do you use JDCR? Model of Korean level? Myoungshin, Taeyung or Crown?
JDCR has a modded Myougshin Fanta
아프면 병키우지말고 빨리 병원가시는걸 추천합니다
아픔이 사소할때 바로잡는게 제일좋음
So I need my camera to switch like that while doing movements to get JDCR movements noted
Those are pressure ulcers JDCR. Maybe add a little cushion pad on your box? Or put a sticker on your palm.
정 커멘드로 초풍 쓰고 다하는 건가.. ㅎㄷㄷ 대단해
화면 돌아가는거 산데비스탄 생각나서 엄청 웃기네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
That timing I just ordered an etokki yesterday lmao
I really wanna buy a stick but I need to now the cons and pros of playing with stick
저도 비슷하게합니다. 엄지 바깥쪽 그니까 손등방향으로 주욱 아프죠...
엄지가 개입하지 않게 하려고 손등방향으로 항상 들어올려놓는 상태라 그럽니다 손등방향 근육을 계속 쓰는거죠 ㅜㅡㅠ
Mfw I realised I use arcade stick the same way as JDCR
Oh i know how i hold my lever
Hi JDCR. Are you using a stock myoungshin Fanta or is it custom?
As a fellow geriatric gamer with over 30 years of gaming under my belt. I know the pain. I have severe arthritis in my thumbs and can no longer play with a controller.
You the man JD and editor
눈으로는 이해되지만 망할 손은 이해를 못한다.
Time to ride the hitbox train JD? :))))
What tension does jdcr use on his korean lever?
YOU HAVE THE BEST MOVE IN TEKKEN
Tysm American player JDCR
오 이런거좋네요. 전 키보드, 스틱 둘다 쓰는 유저인데 키보드는 반시계가 뭔가 시계보다 불편하고, 스틱은 뭔가 시계가 불편하네요
Trying to use a arcade stick is literally impossible
You said that in like 6 videos
Use a leverless controller ffs
손잡는거 나랑 똑같구낭ㅎㅎ
손목 조심하셔용
man I miss seeing JimmyJ's bryan.
저도 최근들어 손목의 밖쪽이 아파서 병원다니고있는데, 마우스를 가벼운걸로 바꾸니 최근 저릿한빈도가 줄어들긴했습니다.
케빈씨도 손목건강 조심하세요 ㅜㅜ
JDCR hand so fast, it glitch the cam
Hitbox master race
철권 잘 하는 사람들 보면 저렇게 최소한으로 움직이는거 같은데 연습을 해도 막상 게임하면 쉽지가 않은…
I noticed his backdash input is his wavedash input, he doesn't clean backdash. Then how does he play Bryan then?
This is the biggest advertisement for leverless controllers I've seen. I already use one. I always hated "pushing" the stick towards the right, for example to do IAD (forward, upforward, neutral, forward) in melty blood. It's great and very easy on a leverless. Even my KBD is better, after a week or two of effort. When you push the stick with the palm, you have less control. If you grip with the hand, your tendons are tensed up. With a stick you are always making compromises.
can you do OTGF out of wavedash or anyone in the world?:)
You have to dash cancel the wavedash to do OTGF
참고는 모르겠고 재밋넹
What lever and buttons are you using?
2p어썰트 개신기하네
사각레버 쓰는것 보여주세요. Please show us yours hands with japanese lever?
와 아직도 이토키 스틱 쓰시네
damn this is why this game is so hard for me
What lever do you use?
I still can't do Korean backdash, fuck me so bad
How long have you been practicing it?
캠 산데비스탄ㄷㄷ
grippy
엄지 안쓰는거 개신기하다
Cant see shit with that camera doing 90 degree flips. Take care of your hand
Another reason why hitbox is better
i like holding lolipop than holding baseball bat
my god 🤦its hard guys super hard😅i have an arcade i cant do that moves
i prefer ps joystick
"싼데비슷한"
싼데비스탄~
Aigoooo
레버보다 키보드가 나은 점도 있는 듯.
나이 이슈 ㅠㅠ
I really hope T8 lowers the execution barrier. Not because these things can't be done, but because of health concerns for the players. A videogame, no matter how good, should not cause you carpal tunnel if you play it a lot. Give us inputs that are easier on the hands.
Yeah ! i really hope TK8 makes the mishima's easier to play , im not a tekken player and this wavedash ewgf backdash shit is hard as hell
나이들어서 그래요
Who asked tho
あざ
What's with your hair man?