Except in this case(no pun intended) it's a dock connector so whatever, it's the most elegant way this could be implemented without making the case a complete mess.
That's looks like a regular pcie connector but just bundle a x1 and a x16（running at x8) and you might see something similar in some server board So technically a x8 and a x1 raiser cable will do the trick The built in power supply output 19v so the quick repair if it faulty is simply get a laptop 19v adapter and wired it Glad they don't make the GTR7 magnetic connector anymore 😂
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@@frankwong9486 probably the x1 is for the dock I/O while the x8 is for the GPU.
@@frankwong9486 I'd not be so quick to claim a riser cable will do the trick - folks have abused a standard connector and cables in nonstandard ways before. The specs do seem to imply that 16x slot is going to be normal PCIe running at 8x, but it isn't actually explicit that is the case, with only a 8x link they could be using those extra pins for something else - they only claim an 8x PCIe interface for the eGPU is available... If there is a better product manual that does state that explicitly I've not seen it. All that said the price isn't insane, so a little bit of care sanity checking that port rather than stuffing a stupidly priced high end GPU on the end of the riser in hope I'd be happy to go for. And I do expect it would work, but with the price being what it is if it didn't and did break something I'd be annoyed, even very annoyed for a while, but then have an new 'toy' to practice electronic debugging/repair on - something I've really been wanting to do more of anyway, not the end of the world....
thanks for the review wendell. I'm really looking forward to your tests on the dock. me and a couple of other users over the reddit subs (both mini-pc's and the official beelink one itself) have come across the contradiction presented by the specs of the gpu connectors: two 6+2 connectors, usually rated for a constant 150w each, to feed up to 600w of power. as other colleagues of yours have completely ignored such issue, even while having the dock in testing, I really hope you're going to shine a light on this contraption. beelink has already publicly said that they're going to keep producing mini-pc's compatible with such dock, making it a really interesting standard in the realm of thunderbolt and oculink docks.
It's about efing time! For years I've been screaming, "yeah but it's got no GPU power!"..... All these little mini PC things are kinda neat but totally useless for anything that requires real GPU power. This little guy solves that problem in the best possible way, thankfully, finally!
Any of them that had a UCB c could connect to a external GPU. I do not see this being actually better than that. The dock is still going to require separate power and the form factor is awkward, to be nice about it.
@@KenS1267 : This won't need a dock, it only need a PCIe extension cable to work. This is the cheapest way of adding a real GPU to one of these mini toy PC's. I care about performance per dollar, aesthetics are meaningless to me. E-GPU's are more expensive. This is the best way of doing this job from both a cost and a performance perspective. I do understand this method is not for everyone nor for all conditions, but it is exactly what I want!
@@Finite-Tuning Did you see how deeply recessed the slot was? Getting a riser connected is going to be a challenger. Getting a riser connected without damaging it? LOL. As to performance per dollar, get a normal PC. You're grossly over paying if you get something like this.
@@KenS1267 : I do not consider 1" of depth to be deeply recessed, but yes I did see it. I do have normal PC's, all of them in fact. I do not want "normal", I want the abnormal best performance per dollar modular designed by Frankenstein. As previously stated, this is what I want. My reasons for must only be understood by me.
I wish that we were able just plug the GPU straight in to its side or top without any adapters ..
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Ah yes, enjoy your wobbly case with an external PSU and its cables just dangling about do you people even think before posting this crap? Grab a mini itx mobo and a Siverstone Vt01, cut the side and there, your wish is granted. Enjoy the atrocity.
btw , there are GPU's which don't require an external PSU .
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@@Ray88G right, because that's why you would want an external GPU, solely for entry tier GPUs.
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@@ToroidalVortices First, an RTX A4000 consumes 160W so it does require additional power and it's also the current gen bottom tier quadro which pretty much makes it ENTRY LEVEL regardless if it's used by professionals on workstatios or not. Two swings and two misses. Before you get all hot and bothered by comments and try and fail to correct others, maybe you're the one that should touch grass pal.
Please do a full review, I'm considering this pc with that dock and an external GPU and I want to make sure it's the right choice for me. I want a power efficient desk pc with occasional gaming for the next 4-5 years 😊
Have you done the maths on how much you can save on electricity vs how much you're going to overpay, factoring in the cost of the money? I bet that it's not going to work out in your favor
Right, RAM speed is quite slow, however docking station idea with the full PCIE eGPU is pretty cool. Future setup with better cooled, faster RAM will be even more interesting and hopefully overall design in terms of upgradeability and setup will improve as well. These kind of modular/transformer PC configs should become even more popular in the future. Unfortunately Intel is not helping much with the unreleasedTB5 and hopefully Oculink won't become obsolete.
Bummer that the PCIe dock wasn't available for testing when this video went live. :( Was looking forward to seeing those results. Beelink DO make amazing mini PCs though.
my mind goes straight to home lab applications when i see mini-PCs like this... throw a multi-port NIC in it and got a nice low power quite adequate firewall/router, or a SAS card in and and you get a nice little NAS (jbod enclosure not included)
Shoving laptop hardware in a non-portable device doesn't make much marketing sense, especially at that price point. A similarly price desktop would offer better performance per dollar and a laptop can go anywhere. Am I missing something Wendell?
@@обычныйчел-я3е Yeah but 155H, depending on power usage, is compared with the U variants of AMD Mobile chips. I myself compare devices to be face to face like the 185H at full 65W with Ryzen Phoenix/Hawk Point at the same full 65W (H/HS variants) of power from AMD.
These mini PC's represent interesting engineering but I just do not see the point of putting so much compute in such a small package. The vast majority of the use cases are going to be as hospitality/POS etc. devices and that doesn't need top end HW. Back when I did sales on that sort of HW I never even saw anything but i3's in these installations.
Vast majority of these sorts of machines I'm aware of have historically been i5s, at least that's what's flooded the surplus market in the 1L business PC category. And you'd be surprised how much inefficient junk software needs to run on these things in corporate settings sometimes
I would be curious to see Stable Diffusion running locally on this with the NPU. The website advertised 34.5 TOPS with 6 seconds local HD image generation...
Would be nice to have a real gaming version of this !Lets say double the height with good ventilation 6400mhz ram a 9700xor a 7800x3d and a black case !Nice video .
Thank you for your review! Why am I not seeing any reviews about this new generation of mini PCs using the much more power and heat efficient Ryzen CPUs?
That could be a great system for high performance hardware pass through style VM's - your host system keeps the ultra efficiency cores for itself most likely while letting you have a potentially dynamic or static assigned pile of the high performance cores for the VM's of choice (though the numa nodes could be a problem). The big downside to the last time I was playing with that sort VM was my workstation at the time only had a dual pair of identical Xeon's - way more core performance than the host needs (the only thing it really has to do is handle the network bridging for the VM's that don't get to claim one of the Ethernet chips to themselves), great for the multicore heavy VM workload, but kinda terrible for the gaming VM - As those Xeon's had rather mediocre single core performance (and back then games tended not to be multi threaded at all, and its not like the situation is that much better now, still tend to be very few threads in a game). Still was a great system to use, functioned really well overall. But this tiny box probably would do the same job so much better as its got that variety of cores. That said its modern Intel, and until they really rectify the mess they have made of their recent desktop chips I'd not want to trust them - I have enough computers i can live with a failure, but if its not my fault the company better fix it with decent customer service...
Not interested in anything Intel right now. Beelink - make this with an AMD Ryzen and you might have something worth buying. Oh, and stop with the proprietary connectors and external dock w/internal PSU's, make it modular with standardized connectors and ports, or just do not bother (unless you plan on enjoying the hate and pain for all the warranty requests you will get).
Saw ETAPrime cover this earlier today with the Beelink adapter/dock with the PSU. If they do it in AMD, I might do it for my next rig. While I love my PC, sometimes it's a bit much.
No CIR, I'm out. All these mini pc's and NUC's died when Intel ditched them, They have all these other features but ditched the only one I wanted, Consumer infra red so I can use universal remote.
yeah I'd rather get another amd based mini pc that costs less and can do almost the same if not more. I really don't like the idea of the built in PSU, it just adds more heat to a cramped case. Also once you get a dock with a video card the whole point of having a mini pc gets lost, it's small size and transportability. I'd rather go for a mini itx build then.
Finally a PC I can plug into my GPU
There have been a few of these like the minisforum b550
Dat was goed 😅
Say NO to non-standard connectors.
Except in this case(no pun intended) it's a dock connector so whatever, it's the most elegant way this could be implemented without making the case a complete mess.
That's looks like a regular pcie connector but just bundle a x1 and a x16（running at x8) and you might see something similar in some server board
So technically a x8 and a x1 raiser cable will do the trick
The built in power supply output 19v so the quick repair if it faulty is simply get a laptop 19v adapter and wired it
Glad they don't make the GTR7 magnetic connector anymore 😂
@@frankwong9486 probably the x1 is for the dock I/O while the x8 is for the GPU.
@@frankwong9486 I'd not be so quick to claim a riser cable will do the trick - folks have abused a standard connector and cables in nonstandard ways before. The specs do seem to imply that 16x slot is going to be normal PCIe running at 8x, but it isn't actually explicit that is the case, with only a 8x link they could be using those extra pins for something else - they only claim an 8x PCIe interface for the eGPU is available... If there is a better product manual that does state that explicitly I've not seen it.
All that said the price isn't insane, so a little bit of care sanity checking that port rather than stuffing a stupidly priced high end GPU on the end of the riser in hope I'd be happy to go for. And I do expect it would work, but with the price being what it is if it didn't and did break something I'd be annoyed, even very annoyed for a while, but then have an new 'toy' to practice electronic debugging/repair on - something I've really been wanting to do more of anyway, not the end of the world....
The best I can do is "It depends"
"Oh and we will......we will"
Wendell knows what the people want.
He doesn't actually do it though? Is it even possible? The dock provides 2x8 pin connectors, but the 4090 uses 3x8-pin.
@DSS553 check out some past videos where we do it with an oculink x4. we'll need an external PSU but we can hack a 4090 onto basically anything now
that’s not what was in the thumbnail at all
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As an avid Swiss Army knife collector, the appearance of a Cybertool made me happy.
thanks for the review wendell. I'm really looking forward to your tests on the dock. me and a couple of other users over the reddit subs (both mini-pc's and the official beelink one itself) have come across the contradiction presented by the specs of the gpu connectors: two 6+2 connectors, usually rated for a constant 150w each, to feed up to 600w of power. as other colleagues of yours have completely ignored such issue, even while having the dock in testing, I really hope you're going to shine a light on this contraption. beelink has already publicly said that they're going to keep producing mini-pc's compatible with such dock, making it a really interesting standard in the realm of thunderbolt and oculink docks.
Love Beelink. Their SER5 5540U 16GB 512GB for $230-$240 is a steal.
I've been looking at that on Amazon. They keep having some major coupon codes on that that give you sometimes $100 off. :)
It's about efing time! For years I've been screaming, "yeah but it's got no GPU power!"..... All these little mini PC things are kinda neat but totally useless for anything that requires real GPU power. This little guy solves that problem in the best possible way, thankfully, finally!
Any of them that had a UCB c could connect to a external GPU. I do not see this being actually better than that. The dock is still going to require separate power and the form factor is awkward, to be nice about it.
@@KenS1267 :
This won't need a dock, it only need a PCIe extension cable to work. This is the cheapest way of adding a real GPU to one of these mini toy PC's. I care about performance per dollar, aesthetics are meaningless to me. E-GPU's are more expensive. This is the best way of doing this job from both a cost and a performance perspective. I do understand this method is not for everyone nor for all conditions, but it is exactly what I want!
@@Finite-Tuning Did you see how deeply recessed the slot was? Getting a riser connected is going to be a challenger. Getting a riser connected without damaging it? LOL.
As to performance per dollar, get a normal PC. You're grossly over paying if you get something like this.
@@KenS1267 :
I do not consider 1" of depth to be deeply recessed, but yes I did see it. I do have normal PC's, all of them in fact. I do not want "normal", I want the abnormal best performance per dollar modular designed by Frankenstein.
As previously stated, this is what I want. My reasons for must only be understood by me.
@@KenS1267 Unless its Thunderbolt 5 then the bandwidth limitation would make USB C not worth it
Looks cool. Eager for the follow up video with the dock and GPU. Looks like a SFF PC I’d get.
I wish that we were able just plug the GPU straight in to its side or top without any adapters ..
Ah yes, enjoy your wobbly case with an external PSU and its cables just dangling about do you people even think before posting this crap? Grab a mini itx mobo and a Siverstone Vt01, cut the side and there, your wish is granted. Enjoy the atrocity.
It has been done before . The GPU support can be designed right in to the case . And don't mind the cable mess , nor having a separate PSU .
btw , there are GPU's which don't require an external PSU .
@@Ray88G right, because that's why you would want an external GPU, solely for entry tier GPUs.
@@ToroidalVortices First, an RTX A4000 consumes 160W so it does require additional power and it's also the current gen bottom tier quadro which pretty much makes it ENTRY LEVEL regardless if it's used by professionals on workstatios or not. Two swings and two misses.
Before you get all hot and bothered by comments and try and fail to correct others, maybe you're the one that should touch grass pal.
Thank you, Wendellman! 🙏🏼
cool that companies making these mini PCs are starting to do this. Would make a cool HTPC Linux box for video games on the TV pretty easy
Please do a full review, I'm considering this pc with that dock and an external GPU and I want to make sure it's the right choice for me. I want a power efficient desk pc with occasional gaming for the next 4-5 years 😊
Have you done the maths on how much you can save on electricity vs how much you're going to overpay, factoring in the cost of the money? I bet that it's not going to work out in your favor
Right, RAM speed is quite slow, however docking station idea with the full PCIE eGPU is pretty cool. Future setup with better cooled, faster RAM will be even more interesting and hopefully overall design in terms of upgradeability and setup will improve as well. These kind of modular/transformer PC configs should become even more popular in the future. Unfortunately Intel is not helping much with the unreleasedTB5 and hopefully Oculink won't become obsolete.
Even the best days are made better when supplimented with a dose of Wendellmania. 👍🏼
Cool. I really wanna check out these small pc boxes
This one might not be perfect but I can see this being the way in the future. maybe GPUs change shape to a box as well
Bummer that the PCIe dock wasn't available for testing when this video went live. :(
Was looking forward to seeing those results.
Beelink DO make amazing mini PCs though.
I would have wanted you to review With the Dock, but.....
ETA Prime did a video with the dock and used a RTX4090
Love PC like this small and powerful
my mind goes straight to home lab applications when i see mini-PCs like this... throw a multi-port NIC in it and got a nice low power quite adequate firewall/router, or a SAS card in and and you get a nice little NAS (jbod enclosure not included)
Wendell you should pressure the mini pc companies to use x8 oculink
Since you didn't mention it, just a quick heads up that under power and performance, you could change from 54W to 65W.
Shoving laptop hardware in a non-portable device doesn't make much marketing sense, especially at that price point. A similarly price desktop would offer better performance per dollar and a laptop can go anywhere. Am I missing something Wendell?
Problem is Core ultra 9 185h laptops doesn't cost 1000$. Around the world the cost is at minimum the double.
@@Pacho18 there's barely any difference between 185H and 155H, with the latter being much more affordable
@@обычныйчел-я3е Yeah but 155H, depending on power usage, is compared with the U variants of AMD Mobile chips. I myself compare devices to be face to face like the 185H at full 65W with Ryzen Phoenix/Hawk Point at the same full 65W (H/HS variants) of power from AMD.
Would love a follow up on this with the dock.
I really want a pci-e 16x slot for my Framework 16 as a module that goes in the gpu dock slot, mostly for the same reason
These mini PC's represent interesting engineering but I just do not see the point of putting so much compute in such a small package. The vast majority of the use cases are going to be as hospitality/POS etc. devices and that doesn't need top end HW. Back when I did sales on that sort of HW I never even saw anything but i3's in these installations.
Vast majority of these sorts of machines I'm aware of have historically been i5s, at least that's what's flooded the surplus market in the 1L business PC category. And you'd be surprised how much inefficient junk software needs to run on these things in corporate settings sometimes
Missed an opportunity to capture the ryzen market.
So close to what I've wanted in my dream mini PC, I wish there was one with a full x16 slot just sticking out one of the sides to plug a GPU into.
thats ultra stupid
Not stupid. Commentor was just a hater
I know it's not that practical, you would still need to power the GPU somehow... I guess that's what this things dock will do.
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There is no way those tiny fans can adequately cool that thing under sustained load.
awesome looking mini pc, Intel scares me at the moment but still nice.
I would be curious to see Stable Diffusion running locally on this with the NPU. The website advertised 34.5 TOPS with 6 seconds local HD image generation...
Why is this a question? Adapters and enclosures have existed for a while now..
Would be nice to have a real gaming version of this !Lets say double the height with good ventilation 6400mhz ram a 9700xor a 7800x3d and a black case !Nice video .
So, flip it upside-down. got it.
Thank you for your review!
Why am I not seeing any reviews about this new generation of mini PCs using the much more power and heat efficient Ryzen CPUs?
That could be a great system for high performance hardware pass through style VM's - your host system keeps the ultra efficiency cores for itself most likely while letting you have a potentially dynamic or static assigned pile of the high performance cores for the VM's of choice (though the numa nodes could be a problem). The big downside to the last time I was playing with that sort VM was my workstation at the time only had a dual pair of identical Xeon's - way more core performance than the host needs (the only thing it really has to do is handle the network bridging for the VM's that don't get to claim one of the Ethernet chips to themselves), great for the multicore heavy VM workload, but kinda terrible for the gaming VM - As those Xeon's had rather mediocre single core performance (and back then games tended not to be multi threaded at all, and its not like the situation is that much better now, still tend to be very few threads in a game). Still was a great system to use, functioned really well overall. But this tiny box probably would do the same job so much better as its got that variety of cores.
That said its modern Intel, and until they really rectify the mess they have made of their recent desktop chips I'd not want to trust them - I have enough computers i can live with a failure, but if its not my fault the company better fix it with decent customer service...
Wendell, please do a Proxmox Ryzen igpu passthrough tutorial to VM or LXC for hw transcoding. Please.
Would love to see the super efficient Ryzen AI HX370 in this!
I need this.
So the thumbnail was clickbait? Ew
The power supply should be on the outside to make it easily replaceable.
I want to know if it supports 8k screen?
This is super cool
my logitech mx is also kicking, heck of a mouse
From Nissan GTR and SER to Volkswagen GTI? Clearly car people are running this company.
while all these videos come out the gti14 bundle and standalone remains soldout.
What is that keyboard layout?
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It would make a nice test platform for GPUs and other PCI cards. But the price doesn't make it attractive.
What are the CPU thermals like?
Not interested in anything Intel right now. Beelink - make this with an AMD Ryzen and you might have something worth buying. Oh, and stop with the proprietary connectors and external dock w/internal PSU's, make it modular with standardized connectors and ports, or just do not bother (unless you plan on enjoying the hate and pain for all the warranty requests you will get).
Looks like SER8 is much better choice, 2.5k+ in geekbench 6 and 88ns ddr5 latency. And $300 cheaper too
Handheld PC with this type of expansion and the Desktop PC is dead. Hope ill see it before i retire.
4090 is not full size. It's at least XXL.
Every. Single. Mini PC
loses me at no ECC support.
Can it run Dwarf Fortress and Rimworld?
Just about… expected better FPS.
I wish they had AMD option to
I can admit that this is cool and all. But I fail to see the importance for most people, unless you want to make a camper gaming PC.
I don't think I'll be buying any computer that has NPU hardware in it.
glue ? Glue? GLUE ???????
Unless this has a fully functional pcie x16 its totaly not interesting at all.
Saw ETAPrime cover this earlier today with the Beelink adapter/dock with the PSU. If they do it in AMD, I might do it for my next rig. While I love my PC, sometimes it's a bit much.
"In" means inside the case, Wendell.
"Can we put a 4090?"
Not you, Wendell!
You were the chosen one!!
We are already saturated by Ngreedia bribed influencers and need unbiased reviewers 😢
No CIR, I'm out.
All these mini pc's and NUC's died when Intel ditched them, They have all these other features but ditched the only one I wanted, Consumer infra red so I can use universal remote.
You know you can just buy a dongle for like 2 bucks, right?
This is a dumb comment. If anything Intel paved the way for these SFF PC's to become more popular.
I like the idea of slamming a GPU to the side of a mini PC, easier to transport.
Intel? gonna cook itself to death
Ungrounded power connector?
junk
This is dumb. At almost $1000 just for the PC. I’d rather buy a laptop.
There's no laptop with a core ultra 9 185h that costs that. At least outside US.
yeah I'd rather get another amd based mini pc that costs less and can do almost the same if not more. I really don't like the idea of the built in PSU, it just adds more heat to a cramped case. Also once you get a dock with a video card the whole point of having a mini pc gets lost, it's small size and transportability. I'd rather go for a mini itx build then.
Bro what even is the point of this lol.
stopped watching when I saw Intel CPU 😂
I'd rather make my own mini pc and it would be better for less!