Drumset Lessons with Jay Fenichel: Steve Gadd Groove
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- In this video, Jay breaks down the famous Steve Gadd Groove from Paul Simon's hit "Late in the Evening"
Throughout this new lesson series, Vic Firth Artist Jay Fenichel will discuss a variety of popular subjects -- from fills and drum solos to techniques on how to practice smarter, not harder. Each lesson will expose you to concepts that will help develop your drumming skills, whether you're a beginner, intermediate or advanced level player.
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Jay has the best system out there for teaching a groove or lick. I have learned so much from his tutorials. A great drummer and so versatile.
Excellent! I’ve watched a lot of lessons on the Gadd groove for this song and this is the best. The on screen transcription is great. The vid would have got more hits with ‘Late in the Evening’ in the title, though. It is what I was searching for... glad I found this, though.
Great lesson
Well done. Much thanks, Mick
Well done, Jay! You’re a great teacher and a killer player!
Very good video.
Th explaining is excelent.
Thank you!!!!
Nicely done Jay!! Thanks!!
Thanks. I’ve loved this rhythm having first heard it in the movie “One Trick Pony”. (Besides his playing the best Steve Gadd part was coming up the escalator beating the Hare Krishna monk to the punch asking him for a buck) This is a great demonstration of not only a well disciplined break down practice of any song but of a pattern that has allot going on sort of surreptitiously. Love it! Thanks.
I like you Jay, you're a very good teacher and I know this mazambique very well but have watched the entire video and it's very similar teaching wise to how I break down the 4 limbs parts to be played so keep up the good work and glad I found you!!!! peace my friend! !
Check out Frank Burdo Drums
Mozambique Part 1, 2, and 3.
You'll be playing the Mozambique by Friday.
This guy is great.
Crazy cool groove.
yeah it is :-)
Nice!
very usefull!
Looks like you are resting on the ghost note of 1+ in the first bar as well as the 1 on the second bar?
The best explanation video out there. Thank you sir.
Frank Burdo Drums has some Mozambique videos to show you how to play it in a day or two.
bien!!
👍👍👍👍👍
Please muffle your bell!
Is this cut time?
It's tricky... Afro-Cuban grooves like this are typical written in common time, but felt in cut-time. Cut time is 2/2 (or 2 beats per measure, half- note gets the beat). In laymen terms... 1/2 notes are counted like quarter notes, quarters are counted like 8ths, and 8th notes are counted like 16ths.) This is written in 4/4, but with that basic feel in mind. This is done, to separate the 2 measures for the clave' and to make it not seem so "frantic" in the notation. Keep in mind this is not a classical snare solo... The notation is simply a tool for understanding what to play. The "correctness" is not as important as understanding the breakdown.
Good video .. but not quite SG's Mozambique pattern! Check his kick pattern from his vids, makes all the difference !
Your on point,I've stated that in a previous comment section. Gadd is creating groove around a bass drum that is doing more than single hits, not to mention the top end is completely different, because it syncopates or grooves around the bass drum. While this guy in vid is playing an elementary 8th note and 4 on floor version.
What's the point of using a metronome if you don't follow it
True :-)
Ya know... this was when I first started recording these types of vids and I didn't have in-ear buds at the time. (You might notice the mic on the metronome.) The set-up was a little ghetto. So basically I was playing to the light on the metronome without hearing it. Notice I am watching the click every time I am demonstrating. This was not ideal... If I had just left the click out of the mix... no one would have known the difference, but it is what it is. You live and you learn for future productions.
i didn’t know lars ulrich played in this video
Lars could F anything up
That's the loudest bell I've ever heard
its a hell bell
lol
The click is on the bass drum .
You wrote this in 4/4 time, but you’re playing it in Cut Time. The notation is correct, but the time signature isn’t.
Lock in with the metronome.
Check out Jay's newest lesson on drum solos: ua-cam.com/video/ZVGNmAexIl4/v-deo.html
From the comments I read below, I see lot nitpicking about notations and feel. Guys, if you can't learn a great groove to play in this song from this video , you are missing the point of drumming to a pop song!
Correct
nice! although the metronome and your pre-count do not share the same quarter note value. i.e. written out part should be one measure with double the notes' values.
This is a great comment... Of course one can argue that a count in is subjective. since it's not written. Therefore, your 'count in' can be what ever time signature you want. The note values are not established until you cross over the measure line indicating the new time signature which in turn gives value to the beat or count, through the rhythms that you are playing. It's just assumed that you have to count in, in the same time signature. In other words it's perfectly fine to count a band in 1234, even if the time signature is 7/8 or in this case a cut-time feeling... So long as everyone agrees on the new time at the downbeat. Nice observation :-)
***** agreed! I will have to try incorporate this pattern into a marching percussion piece :)
Who said the metronome was indicating quarter notes anyway?
StraightNoChaser86 his counting in. "1,2,3,4"
chickittypok
My count in was actually 4/16 in my head... so that 1,2,3,4 was actually 16th notes :-P
holy shit the way this is counted is confusing. I wish you establish that your'e playing this groove in cut time as opposed to common time. It's very confusing when your count in is different than your actual downbeat note value
I agree. It is a good and generous lesson (Sincerely, thank you, Jay!), but the cut time did add unnecessary confusion for me. I figured it out, but it seemed like an extra step that added no value.
Thanks for the comments... I can see why you might get confused. First off, Time signature has nothing to do with tempo. A lot of drummers don't realize that. It's true that most Latin grooves are felt in Cut Time, which is why I put the click in half notes, but this transcription had been written in 4/4 already and for the purposes of this lesson at the time, I didn't see a need to change it. (Again, I apologize if that confused you.) However, in a 'real world' situation, you can count in any time signature any which way as long as it's clear where the starting point is. For example... I've counted songs in 7/8 like 1...2... READY... PLAY... and the band has had no trouble starting in the right spot or maintaining the 7 after that. You don't have to say 1,2,3,4,5,ready,play... Is that way technically more correct... yes... but not necessary and probably a little more confusing for the band. Also with the click and animation, I didn't think it was hard to follow the music. My point is... this is an exercise and the music does not need to be interpreted literally, like a classical piece. Should I have changed the music to 2/2 or 4/2... I guess, that would be more correct... If this was a time signature lesson, I would have been more concerned with the "correctness" of it. The reading in this case is simply a guide to understanding how to play the groove. I was'nt as concerned with the theory as I was the clarity. That being said, in the future I will pay more attention to the count versus the transcription matching up. Thanks for the comments!!!
unless your a left handed drummer like Simon Philips
I'm a left handed drummer who plays on a right handed kit! Instead of crossing over sticks I play left handed on the high hat and right handed on the snare drum. It works out great for me!
Simon Philips is actually a right handed drummer who plays open handed :
He rushed so bad lol
its funny that drummers always wanna play quick but cant play a steady 60bpm in time
notation or interpretation one doesn't fit
タイムキープできてない
Don't get y you need an explanation vid for that beat coult play it right away and more on point as this guy, but why the hell cant I yet make a living from drumming but yet jerks like this guy?!?
Maybe it's your attitude?
I'm looking forward to your lesson video on this tune ;-)
Because no one wants to work with bitter arseholes who think they are better than anyone else. What the hell makes you think this guy is a jerk? And what the hell makes you think that you are better than people who do get work?
F all you sensitive little perts in this comment section. Takis is on point. You idiots and the jerk getting paid to teach people how to play something wrong are the same ones hiding behind a band in a 1 horse town, just playing like an uneducated toddler on drums to be in front of a few people and get paid for peanuts. You're the reason disc jockeys have dominated local stages for the past 2 decades instead of real musicians progressing their sound.
@@karma9606 "local old man yells at a wall"
It’s African
is this a joke?? An official Vic Firth drum lesson with a guy, who can't play to a metronome???
That’s what you got from this great tutorial. Believe me I’ve seen him play on many videos and he is a first class drummer. He also explains the metronome issue further on.
confusing as hell. Would be a lot easier just to post the entire transcription instead of piece-mealing the parts out. At least for those who can read drumset music.
This is incredibly difficult to follow on first viewing
Cymbals and bell sound really awful
Great groove, great instruction, notation is horrible..
This isn't even a groove, its just repetitious 16th notes placed on top of 1/4 note 4 on the floor bass drum. Steve Gadd would laugh at this vid
@@DG-sf9ei No, he wouldn't
Just accents lacking on notes. And it is relevant to fix the groove. Good explanation However