KGW investigative reporter Cristin Severance and Lindsay Ray, a teacher at Westview High School, discuss disruptive and violent behavior in Oregon classrooms.
When miss Lindsay said she is not a social worker and is not equipped for dealing with this: I'm a social worker but I'm telling you we don't have equipment either. This problem is running so deep that only radical solution can help.
I am a teacher in a middle school teaching at-risk students. In our technological world in which we live, our students are not developing the social skills that previous generations developed.
If I assaulted a teacher, My dad would have dragged me down to the local police department and.order the the desk sergeant to throw my ass in jail and sign an order of protection to permanently ban me to enter our home and throw all my personal property on the street
If I threw furniture in the classroom, I wouldn’t be able to walk for weeks. My father would have beaten my butt so hard that I couldn’t walk and would have smashed all my toys in front of me
The main trouble is the lack of discipline by their parents. My father gave me a good shellacking if I disrupted a class or got a bad report card. I wouldn’t even think of raising my voice to a teacher or police officer My parents were good parents and raised me with good moral values. The parents of today’s kids don’t give a damn. Just let them run wild and let the schools deal with it
THERE is the silly Klan comment I was sure would pop up. SMH. As a former teacher, and as a student that has studied schools for a little while I will tell you that the root cause is not found in "those people." Decades ago, ALL schools were educating much better--WHILE integrated.
@@hotice8885 Not concerned with decades ago but rather the here and now. Here and now the problem is not white/asian/indian/etc kids being violent and disruptive in classrooms. Stop pretending that the problem isn't just as it seems. ua-cam.com/video/mOytxf75H-U/v-deo.html
I don'y hear any of these teachers talk about holding students responsible for their actions..........all I hear about is the "poor" students who have problems..........what about teaching them that they must be held responsible for their actions??? What if we just allowed adults in society to act out and not hold them responsible for what they do.............all I hear is "more support" for students...........hold kids responsible for what they do!!!!!
I have an idea: Give a permission slip to the parents letting teachers beat their kid up if they act out. That will get them kids to straighten out and fly right.
@@theapocalypse5752 Maybe not beating them up but these students need to have consequence and accountability. The people in this video said you can't do anything to a disruptive kid. Why not send them to detention at least? Or make them sweep the school grounds after school? Just a few examples. But the teachers aren't allowed to dole out punishments and these kids keep misbehaving without any consequence.
@@theapocalypse5752 Let me tell ya a story, in Puerto Rico since I was in school in the 1996-2004, teachers were allowed to hit you in your hand with a ruler or small riding crop, if you didnt behave after that, they would grab you by the ear, and pull you to the office, shit hurts like fuck because I had it happened to me. that's not even the end of it. The principal would call your parents, and you had this fear in your head of getting your ass whooped in front of all the school by your parents. Trust me, after my outburst in the 3rd grade, I've been a straight A student and never misbehaved ever again. Just remember there is a fine line between beating some one to death or just hitting them once or twice with mild force, you are not mutilating a kid, you are just giving them a reality check, something a simple slap across the face can fix. Punish bad behavior, reward good behavior. many ways to do it, and it works, as said so in Lawrence Kolhberg's stages of moral development.
Paddling only works on children who are fundamentally submissive. It does not work on kids who will grab the paddle out of that teacher's hands, break it, and use the sharpest bit as an impaling stake.
Nah, problem would not be solved, that way. Feminists would just demand a feminist principal, superintendent, and school board president (ask me how I know). Destroy the deep-seated anti-male foundation in the upper power structures that control the teachers, so that the male teachers can live like *men* -- _without_ shackles!
@@hotice8885 The irony is that this has been brought about by the feminization of the entire structure of schools. To which their response is: More feminization.
She starts by saying that students are there to learn, but that is simply not true. The sad fact is that education isn't for everybody. There are lots of people who just simply don't want to learn, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do, or simply can't, is abusive. Darwin is going to see things through no matter what, and lots of people simply aren't going to make the cut.
Wow. That perspective doesn't make any sense to me. I get that not everyone will follow through with continuing education and I have good friends that dropped out of high school and done really well in life. At this age, saying that making children do something they don't want to is abusive is an idea that baffles me. Please explain. Letting children do whatever they want, letting that immature undisciplined nature guide the child's growth seems to lead to these problems. Being at the mercy of one's fleeting whims and passing emotions is not freedom. Not having any guidance on what is acceptable behavior in public, not being able to transcend one's own narcissism to act for a common good does not pan out well into adulthood, psychologically or socially. To me at least, it is abusive to Not teach children self control, personal discipline, and respect for others. If you'd like, share more about your perspective. I'm trying to understand it.
@@michaelalexander3989 It's rather obvious that there are some students who have no intention of getting an education. So why bother? Their parents can try homeschooling them, I guess. Maybe later on in life they might be interested in getting an education, but that's up to the kid.
Eric, are you a fan of not making any kid take a bath, brush their teeth, eat fruits and vegetables, cut down sugar, exercise, and going to bed on time?
@@hotice8885 I despise governments. You love them, and that includes their propaganda outlets like public education. Your question about eating healthy food assumes that government is there to protect children, rather than parents. You know nothing of history.
Very well. Let the women keep talking, talking, talking, year after year after decade after decade. All these videos show women [directly or indirectly] dismissing masculinity--and and some even _attack it_ . Anti-male material continues to saturate the curriculum--and therefore, the classroom atmosphere. Want the power to yourselves? Then you handle the consequences. BY. YOUR. SELVES.
I don't know if you are old enough to remember when Joe Clark was a thing but he was the principal in Newark NJ who insisted on walking around with a bullhorn or a baseball bat to get control of his school. He was around in the 80s and there was actually a movie made based on him starring Morgan Freeman.
This is the result of raising kids on violent video games, violence on television, and free access to violence on the internet. I shudder when I think about how these kids will behave when they are adults. Fearful thought.
Progressive political philosophy: How to create a socialist state by Saul Alinsky: There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state. 1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people 2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income). 6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to - take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. 8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.
The elephant in the room is the race of these kids. If you bring it up you are a racist but I have seen multiple videos here by teachers who were quitting because of the problems.
Anyone who suggests that changing the race of the classrooms is just not going to the heart of the problems. They usually are not even teachers, either.
@@geoffdearth7360 --Couldn't agree more. That point should be obvious. But racists usually try to piggyback from that point, trying to suggest that the children who are not well behaved at home are black, while the well-behaved children are white. That is just silly.
Poverty not race is the biggest factor. My son's preschool had two kids, one black and one white, with horrible outbursts. The daycare center didn't want to do anything until I requested a safety plan in writing to protect the rest of the children. Next day teachers thanked me and said that both parents were notified that the school "didn't have the necessary support to meet their needs". Why couldn't the school do this before complaints
When miss Lindsay said she is not a social worker and is not equipped for dealing with this: I'm a social worker but I'm telling you we don't have equipment either. This problem is running so deep that only radical solution can help.
Expel the problem children and don't let them back in.
Or parents need to discipline them
I am a teacher in a middle school teaching at-risk students. In our technological world in which we live, our students are not developing the social skills that previous generations developed.
If I assaulted a teacher, My dad would have dragged me down to the local police department and.order the the desk sergeant to throw my ass in jail and sign an order of protection to permanently ban me to enter our home and throw all my personal property on the street
If I threw furniture in the classroom, I wouldn’t be able to walk for weeks. My father would have beaten my butt so hard that I couldn’t walk and would have smashed all my toys in front of me
Excellent video!
The main trouble is the lack of discipline by their parents. My father gave me a good shellacking if I disrupted a class or got a bad report card. I wouldn’t even think of raising my voice to a teacher or police officer My parents were good parents and raised me with good moral values. The parents of today’s kids don’t give a damn. Just let them run wild and let the schools deal with it
Class size limits is constitutionally mandated in Florida.
How many of the troubled students r from single mom homes.
It's the breakdown of civilization.
Randy Allen Going by a survey of state prison inmates, 7 out of 10 boys and sightly over half of girls
@@olegunnarsolskjaer337 Thanks 4 the stats.
Still didn't address the root cause and it starts with the who. That would require saying that which cannot be said.
THERE is the silly Klan comment I was sure would pop up. SMH. As a former teacher, and as a student that has studied schools for a little while I will tell you that the root cause is not found in "those people." Decades ago, ALL schools were educating much better--WHILE integrated.
@@hotice8885 Not concerned with decades ago but rather the here and now. Here and now the problem is not white/asian/indian/etc kids being violent and disruptive in classrooms. Stop pretending that the problem isn't just as it seems. ua-cam.com/video/mOytxf75H-U/v-deo.html
@@hotice8885 ua-cam.com/video/2EjDCmOPkdg/v-deo.html
Good Lord! Kids raising kids & grandparents too, then sending them off to school! God bless America!
Kids need good discipline from parents and grandparents
Asians looking at American education system thinking, where do these guys learn how to party like that.
The FAILURE OF PARENTING.
Failure of believing in false studies on spanking is the route cause of this
Thank you for actually thinking about those other kids in the classroom. Your virtually spreading trauma
What are the demographics of these "problem" children?
I don'y hear any of these teachers talk about holding students responsible for their actions..........all I hear about is the "poor" students who have problems..........what about teaching them that they must be held responsible for their actions??? What if we just allowed adults in society to act out and not hold them responsible for what they do.............all I hear is "more support" for students...........hold kids responsible for what they do!!!!!
I have an idea: Give a permission slip to the parents letting teachers beat their kid up if they act out. That will get them kids to straighten out and fly right.
How does beating up their kid resolve the issue?
@@theapocalypse5752 Maybe not beating them up but these students need to have consequence and accountability. The people in this video said you can't do anything to a disruptive kid. Why not send them to detention at least? Or make them sweep the school grounds after school? Just a few examples. But the teachers aren't allowed to dole out punishments and these kids keep misbehaving without any consequence.
@@theapocalypse5752 It instills fear and obedience.
@@theapocalypse5752 Let me tell ya a story, in Puerto Rico since I was in school in the 1996-2004, teachers were allowed to hit you in your hand with a ruler or small riding crop, if you didnt behave after that, they would grab you by the ear, and pull you to the office, shit hurts like fuck because I had it happened to me. that's not even the end of it. The principal would call your parents, and you had this fear in your head of getting your ass whooped in front of all the school by your parents. Trust me, after my outburst in the 3rd grade, I've been a straight A student and never misbehaved ever again.
Just remember there is a fine line between beating some one to death or just hitting them once or twice with mild force, you are not mutilating a kid, you are just giving them a reality check, something a simple slap across the face can fix. Punish bad behavior, reward good behavior. many ways to do it, and it works, as said so in Lawrence Kolhberg's stages of moral development.
Paddling only works on children who are fundamentally submissive. It does not work on kids who will grab the paddle out of that teacher's hands, break it, and use the sharpest bit as an impaling stake.
put active military men in there, problem solved.
male teachers.
Nah, problem would not be solved, that way. Feminists would just demand a feminist principal, superintendent, and school board president (ask me how I know).
Destroy the deep-seated anti-male foundation in the upper power structures that control the teachers, so that the male teachers can live like *men* -- _without_ shackles!
@@hotice8885 The irony is that this has been brought about by the feminization of the entire structure of schools. To which their response is: More feminization.
@@geoffdearth7360 --Precisely. Pure madness!!
It is not up to teachers to be their parents. These brats are allowed to act that way at home without consequences. Stop coddling these little thugs.
Still they will fail because the cause of the problem is poor parenting.
She starts by saying that students are there to learn, but that is simply not true. The sad fact is that education isn't for everybody. There are lots of people who just simply don't want to learn, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do, or simply can't, is abusive. Darwin is going to see things through no matter what, and lots of people simply aren't going to make the cut.
Wow. That perspective doesn't make any sense to me. I get that not everyone will follow through with continuing education and I have good friends that dropped out of high school and done really well in life.
At this age, saying that making children do something they don't want to is abusive is an idea that baffles me.
Please explain.
Letting children do whatever they want, letting that immature undisciplined nature guide the child's growth seems to lead to these problems. Being at the mercy of one's fleeting whims and passing emotions is not freedom. Not having any guidance on what is acceptable behavior in public, not being able to transcend one's own narcissism to act for a common good does not pan out well into adulthood, psychologically or socially.
To me at least, it is abusive to Not teach children self control, personal discipline, and respect for others.
If you'd like, share more about your perspective. I'm trying to understand it.
@@michaelalexander3989 It's rather obvious that there are some students who have no intention of getting an education. So why bother? Their parents can try homeschooling them, I guess. Maybe later on in life they might be interested in getting an education, but that's up to the kid.
Eric, are you a fan of not making any kid take a bath, brush their teeth, eat fruits and vegetables, cut down sugar, exercise, and going to bed on time?
@@hotice8885 That was a much clearer way of saying what I was trying to.
@@hotice8885 I despise governments. You love them, and that includes their propaganda outlets like public education. Your question about eating healthy food assumes that government is there to protect children, rather than parents. You know nothing of history.
Very well. Let the women keep talking, talking, talking, year after year after decade after decade. All these videos show women [directly or indirectly] dismissing masculinity--and and some even _attack it_ . Anti-male material continues to saturate the curriculum--and therefore, the classroom atmosphere. Want the power to yourselves? Then you handle the consequences. BY. YOUR. SELVES.
I don't know if you are old enough to remember when Joe Clark was a thing but he was the principal in Newark NJ who insisted on walking around with a bullhorn or a baseball bat to get control of his school. He was around in the 80s and there was actually a movie made based on him starring Morgan Freeman.
@@geoffdearth7360 --I did see that movie, and a few interviews with Mr. Clark. We could really use that approach and energy, these days!
This is the result of raising kids on violent video games, violence on television, and free access to violence on the internet. I shudder when I think about how these kids will behave when they are adults. Fearful thought.
I am sorry but children are not caddle
Zeus Vergara "Cattle".
Progressive political philosophy:
How to create a socialist state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist state.
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to - take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Bring back the ruleler
get that baseball bat and smack that ass. They need discipline.
@@Pcarnevaaa yes kids need their asses spanked but not with baseball bat
The elephant in the room is the race of these kids. If you bring it up you are a racist but I have seen multiple videos here by teachers who were quitting because of the problems.
Anyone who suggests that changing the race of the classrooms is just not going to the heart of the problems. They usually are not even teachers, either.
@@hotice8885 Children who are allowed to run wild at home seldom become well- behaved at school.
@@geoffdearth7360 --Couldn't agree more. That point should be obvious. But racists usually try to piggyback from that point, trying to suggest that the children who are not well behaved at home are black, while the well-behaved children are white. That is just silly.
Poverty not race is the biggest factor. My son's preschool had two kids, one black and one white, with horrible outbursts. The daycare center didn't want to do anything until I requested a safety plan in writing to protect the rest of the children. Next day teachers thanked me and said that both parents were notified that the school "didn't have the necessary support to meet their needs". Why couldn't the school do this before complaints
Apply discipline to your teaching by showing authority and leading by example