I wonder how many hours Mike Tyson spent in a no-rules self-defense class to train and be able to bite his opponent's ear off. Or how many hours Jon Jones spends on perfecting his eye pokes...
1 was kikcing me, judo reflex came to me and few seconds later i was able to crash his head on the around to death if i would. Fortunatly i just did a smash that makes him leave fast and far. Everyones should avoid streetfigths if he dont knows ways to cancel ennemy without risking to be jailed. Adrenaline is very versatile,can makes u survive but can end life fast. And we are never sure about winning or loose.
“If someone is faster than you, stronger than you, more skilled than you, more experienced than you, I assume that this guy’s eye poking will be faster than yours.” That’s how I answer when someone ask me about Combat sport athlete in no-rules fight.
@Alexander Ffm How can you say 'never' here? That the skilled person is superior in a fight over the other person is not necessarily apparent. Granted, a robbery would not take place without a weapon, but can you really expect anyone who would start a brawl on the street to be a skilled fighter themselves? Sure, self-defence does usually not include intentionally beating the atracker unconscious, but preventing eye pokes thanks to greater skill is conceivable. I don't understand the original comment to say that the skilled fighter _would_ poke eyes, but that they could do so, just hypothetically, due to their skill, meaning that dirty fighting would not help overcoming the difference in skill.
@Alexander Ffm I'm afraid, I don't. You are trying to explain why a fight between an unskilled, weaker and a skilled, stronger person would never happen. What I presume this comment of yours to mean, is that depending on the strategy you employ to attack someone, you expose one or another weak spot of yours. In this case, however, the situation of a fight between the two has already arisen, so this argument explains only how the skilled person would succeed in defending themselves. For this reasoning to be applicable by the unskilled person, they would need to know enough about fighting to be aware of openings and weak spots, or be self-aware sufficiently to realistically reckon their chances in a fight. Neither of these can be assumed to be given with unskilled people.
I know this is a serious video but i lost it when he spoke about the student who doesn't get clear instructions xd Asks to jab hand *kicks man in nuts*
I'm a hardcore traditionalist, and I totally agree with this. Anyone who uses this bullshit argument is basically insulting the martial arts as a whole. If your eye poke and groin attack outdoes all of the technique, conditioning, and sparring a serious martial artist or fighter has done over the years, then what good is any form of fighting in the first place?
@@tomblack4634 No, he's obviously a traditionalist, but a realistic practical traditionalist, not a theoretical "traditionalist". I hate when watered down McDojo martial arts are called "traditional" when they are actually only a Chinese whispers/broken telephone hearsay version of a once probably working style. Real traditional styles had to constantly prove themselves and adapt to adaptations their opponents did. They were alive and changing, NEVER fixed systems. Constant proving and adapting IS part of the real tradition. Real traditionalists constantly test their system, adapt and hence evolve. Those theoretical "traditionalists" are not traditionalists, they are historians at best who clinch to one specific time of their style and by that basically killed their style.
Rules: Spar hard,, resisting parters, without injury, repeat process 1,000+x, develop skill & confidence not possible any other way. "Street' techniques: "IF I'd done it, I "WOULD'VE killed you." But you NEVER do it, you end w/NO experience, NO skill, & MUCH MORE confidence than is safe to have:^)
So this is what I've learnt and observed from growing up in a northern UK seaside town in the 1990's regarding street fighting. 1. It's never a 'fair fight' between two equally skilled opponent's of similar physical attributes. Never overestimate or underestimate the person's ability based on their appearance or body shape. 2. A fight often starts between individuals but escalates in seconds into a group situation involving mates, security, police and people totally unconnected to the fight joining in. 3. Most fights are started and ended with one punch, most street fighting isn't between two skilled opponent's, but by an aggressor and a victim. 4. If you hit the deck, you're in trouble, even spectators unconnected to the fight will kick a person when they are down. 5. Fights are started by people who feel confident they can win them, ie they have back up, they are mates with the security or are locals to the area. 6. Weapons, if available, especially glasses and bottles, will be used. 7. Broken knuckles, hands and wrists are as common as broken noses. 8. You're reputation means nothing to anybody who doesn't know your reputation, ie most people. 9. Trained fighters have a huge advantage, especially if they work security with other trained fighters. 10. Drugs and alcohol mask pain and destroy reason and anxiety, so even a normally sensible person can become dangerous. 11. A huge number of knockouts occur from cheap shots from the side and behind. 12. The police prefer to scape you off the floor than jump in as heroes, it's easier to arrest a perpetrator than stop fighting groups in the act. 13. All street fights are driven by insecurity, jealousy, ego, group dynamics, 90% of the time by males under 40. You're better training with martial artists on a Friday night than drinking with angry thugs if you want to totally avoid violence. There is nothing to fear in a dojo, the streets are totally different game, the dojo helps keep you safe when you invetitably go out for the evening. So like @ramseydewey suggests, go train!
A guy I went to school with did one of those martial arts where the trainers would tell them "we don't spar cause our moves are to dangerous". Long story short he got into a fight with a guy that did mauy thai and he lost. I wasn't even a contest he was pretty under prepared to deal with someone who actually new what they were doing.
Traditionalist here... "Dirty fighting" or the illegal mma moves might work, but if you don't have real techniques to follow them up, it'll just piss them off. Example. Someone has you in an RNC. You can go ahead and try to take out the dude's eyes with gouges, but it is not going to make him magically let go. ... yes people think they can rely on just groin kicks and hair pulls to survive. ... its not going to go well for them. But at the same time, there is merit in encouraging natural defense actions like scratching or biting. (If you're talking about the context of combat, and not a ring)
I used to train MMA with a 3x Danish national & 2x Nordic wrestling champ - even in sparring/rolling he was the dirtiest fighter I ever encountered. Headbutts, scratching, biting, eye gauging, little nuggets ALL the Freaking time. He knew how to fight dirty. If he'd be "allowed" to do those things openly.....
I've thought about this too. specifically the elbow to the back of the head. I know everyone in the UFC knows BJJ and muay thai and I see people leave themselves open to elbows in the back of the head which I know a muay thai fighter would do, but they leave themselves open to it because it's illegal in the UFC, but there's no reason to think that they would do that when they know that it would be a possibility. if you fight a BJJ fighter on the street the aren't going to fall on their heads on concrete, do people think that UFC fighters have no situational awareness? that they are going to blank out and go into "in the ring" mode? nah, every trained fighter has plenty of time to think and plan during a real street fight where their opponent is probably some slow idiot that's been in some bar fights and open every fight with a haymaker.
As far as I know an elbow or strike to the back of the head isn't any more effective than a strike to any other place on the head, it's just more dangerous in that it can cause permanent damage or death.
@@calleX uh, more dangerous usually relates to more effective when you're trying to win a fight, but more importantly, that's not relevant to what I was saying.
@@supershawnodeseninja It was just a general observation. I disagree with you though. Just because something can potentially cripple of kill someone doesn't mean it's an effective technique. Ok "Ninja"
@@calleX ok you're right, I didn't think much about it. I wrote "ninja" in my name when I was like 10 ok it has nothing to do with my actual martial arts training. but you're absolutely right, what's important when talking about effectiveness is what can be practical and gain you the upper hand. permanent damage isn't at all necessary to win or get out of a fight.
"In a street fight, we can do (this) or (that)...." no, chances are, since you never trained to apply anything you do, you won't be able to. Even a lesser technique that is applied will always be more effective than a "deadly" technique that can't hit its target properly. As some Karate master said once, "One technique mastered is worth a thousand techniques sampled".
@@SpaghettiToaster In most countries throwing a punch or kick is not viewed as an attempt of murder however throwing an object is definetly vied as an attempt of murder in many countries.
"my style is to dangerous to spar" is simply an excuse not to spar. I train primary kungfu, and we spar as much as we can! I love your analogy of a good boxer being able to use his fingers to the eyes. That is realistic. Saying you can jab so ones eye without any real sparring... Is not.
Lol. This one martial arts school I went to used a different "excuse" to not spar. It says that we have a few codes. One of the code is that a practitioner isnt allowed to fight with someone of the same school. And at the same time teaching to resolve conflict with peace as the first option, so its would be frowned upon to go look for fights because theres no sparring allowed in that school. We even train counters to our own moves to make it harder for "infighting" to happen. The system was not encompassing enough but I used quite a few moves/concepts I learnt from that system to some limited success when I went for MMA later on in life, so Id say its half decent.
The effectiveness of 'dirty fighting' is grossly exaggerated. Kicking someone in the groin or poking them in the eye is not going to finish any remotely determined opponent. A good strike to the chin or choke that's more likely to be decisive - boxing, MT and BJJ are good places to learn these
As Ramsey has said a good boxer poking you in the eye can irreparably damage someone’s eyes. It is definitely not the be all end all but it is by no means incapable of finishing someone. Same with the groin kick, it’s not the be all end all but it is still an effective place to hit especially when done more than once or followed up with other strikes.
I'm afraid whole 'dirty fighting as an equalizer' thing is lost on most people on both sides of the debate. The cold hard fact is that when you practice martial art as a sport, inevitable result is that it will evolve 'bad habits', strategies and tactics where the purpose moves to winning a bout rather than simulating actual combat. It can and does happen in ALL martial sports. Look at fencing: there are stuff like whipovers, completely unrealistic for any real swordfight. Does that mean that fencing does no longer help you winning a swordfight? Of course not. Modern sports fencer would still completely murder non-fencer in a sword duel. What this means for practicioner of combat sport is to recognize that the stuff you train has limitations in real world applications depending of what kind of ruleset you follow. It does not mean I am going to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr in a streetfight just because he doesn't train defending kicks to the groin (or kicks in general). For MMA practicioner it is probably something like "oh, I take this guy down and work a submission, it'll be easy - oh crap, he twists my ear, this never happens when we spar". Stick with the basics, don't go for the fancy, sport-specific stuff which helps you win for the judges and ref.
Had a dude try to soccer kick me in the balls after an argument. While he landed the kick he missed the balls completely so it didn't hurt me in the least. He ran away very quickly when he realized it didn't slow me down for even a second and realized everything he knew about fighting was bullshit. Never intended to hurt the guy but I might have after his lame attempt.
I've been training in krav maga for 1.5 yrs now and honestly I've never heard anyone around me at our dojo say that MMA practitioners aren't real fighters. It's evident that anyone who's training in combat sports has way more experience (at umm.. combat!) than anyone not training in combat sports! A lot of us who train in krav maga watch and appreciate MMA and know that we could never do what you guys do. We rarely train for scenarios exceeding a few seconds of "defend-counter-scan-runforyourlifedumbass". Outside of the special forces and paramilitary, all that even the best krav maga offers for civilians, is a teeny chance at escaping assault with minimal injury if at all possible. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been punched in the face often enough.
My thoughts exactly. I've tried to explain this to many people, with a 50/50 response. I have very little judo training and even less karate training, but knowing what I know plus street fighting techniques makes any fighter more dangerous.
Von Steiner Actually yes they do. Tactical shooting classes for civilians do exist, & there are martial art schools that teach knife fighting. The American Bando Association teaches fighting techniques with a khukuri.
As my friend Paul Sharp says "if you can't beat me with rules what makes you think you can beat me without rules" You are exactly right about the new students. Id say at least 2-3 times per month a get some new guy on the mat who goes for my throat, groin or eyes. I normally just look over to my senior student and point to what they are doing and we smile because its so predictable. I came home two weeks ago with scratches on my throat and my wife asked "another one of those kenpo guys come to try your class?" lol
Just remember gentlemen, if you think you are tough, glove up and get in the ring with everyone who you think is a joke....there is nothing more humbling than getting choked out, dragged around, sissy slapped and rag-dolled by people who you think are a laughing stock to the profession. And then, just when you think your ego is at rock bottom, do it again with the opposite sex and re-live the nightmare all over again.
I remember telling some big guy that I'm a fan of brock lesnar and he basically said he was a wimp. Lol I told him to challenge him then and he kept making all kinds of bs saying that he could beat him. Etc. Some people are straight up stupid.
I tried to explain this to my Dad but he insists his "Sanuces Ryu" is still better in the streets and more "deadly" than any type of boxing, jiu jitsu or MMA training because they don't "train" for rules.
I Believe what your saying is true. That's the biggest reasons why they put rules in a caged match its because those guys will kill each other in a fight with no rules. I to have tried fighting with a MMA instructor before and got my ass handed to me. Even when I was doing thing my way against my instructor. At first when the match is about to begin and you thought of all possible ways of defeating your opponent from the start the biggest deal is that you still have to get close to him or her in order to do all that but the moment you get close and try those rushing attacks with multiple moves connecting together just to get that opening your waiting for BAM you get kicked, punch or even get taken down every idea that you first had is out the window, and don't know what to do after that. While your trying to recover from that and try to focus again the expert fighter is all up on you again giving you no time to think or even react. Unless your an expert on fighting yourself with all the training engrave into your instinct and can react pretty much with out think what to do next and without fear of getting punched or kicked again then you may stand a chance. That's my experience so far. To all that think this guy is telling you lies, He's actually got a point. And the biggest part of it all is that most people are afraid of fights because of the fear of getting hurt. The fear only goes away when you already been hit once or twice. But then most people will just go on a rampage after that and that's when you lose the fight. lost of self control against a expert MMA fighter is going to be the last thing you want in a match.
I've got a black belt in judo and worked as a bouncer until the mid 90 s and I must admit I've squeezed more bollocks than a knob doctor they leave the bar on top toes 😂
David Burt This guy is a big egotistical asshole . I have a ccw license I carry a smith wesson 1.9 inch 38 special +p and it's very concealable. You have the guys with the same argument saying a bigger gun is better. Grant it you would know it got mine but if I get into a gunfight it will be a round to the kneecap or nutts then one to the head. Who needs a big ass gun?
speaking of asking the right questions. what would you rather have. The abilitity to fly but only on sundays or to have grown up with 12 russian dads who all taught u wrestling, but never really fully gave you the credit but deep down they were proud.
I would actually think a trained fighter would be more likely to deploy tactics such as pokes and using makeshift weapons because they would have the composure to be resourceful. They would both be desensitized to confrontation and exert less mental effort landing and avoiding blows. Someone who’s never trained like that, forget it. You’re not going to think to pick up a rock as a weapon or gouge the eyes because you’ll be operating off instinct.
100% agree. Only thing I wish to bring: sometimes, if you trained too much into certain style, your instinct will be limited to what you were trained. Which may not help in rare situation. A trained fighter (with rules), still needs to train for street fight. True story: two friends got into a fight outside of bar with a group of "trouble" people. one was boxer, the other was a wrestler. In one on one spar between them, the wrestler would win more. but in the street, the boxer knocked several people out without any injury. The wrestler only beat one guy and had to be hospitalized after the fight. The reason? the wrestler's instinct kicked in, and he brought the fight to the ground. Well he could beat one guy, he was kicked/beat up by several others.
Idk I got involved in 2 "real fights" in my life in which I could say if I was taken down to the ground I was dead and in my head it was really like : if you're down, you're dead repeatedly echoing in my head during these maybe 15 seconds. everything that was happening was purely instinctive. I got hit in the jaw at one moment and I immediately grabbed his hand and pulled him to the ground, and he fell. Everything was happening so fast that even in the moment the dude was down I was thinking I need to run away and the moment I walked over him I even had the time to think if I had to kick him in the head. It's like my brain had never been so fast to think that in that precise moment, during a small jump to wonder if you should kick his head, so that's like 1/4 sec. It's a very troubling situation. Not at any moment though I had the will to kick the shit out of one them. I was only seeking for an opportunity to run away faster than I never could have!
This exactly is also huge problem of chinese martial arts. I mean, they all talk about how someone in their lineage proved how deadly the art is in challenge fights but then they talk about sparring and competition being harmful and ruining your technique... Luckily you can always go to sanda gym and get some reality into your wingchun training there. In my experience sanda folks usually appreciate encounter with something weird and new as long as you're not being a dick :-D
If someone says they train in pulling people's hair and biting them, just ask why they're so bad at fighting that they need to train their natural defence instincts.
hey ramsey, I love your videos and I've been watching them a lot lately. I have a question for you and I hope you can answer it. I picked up kickboxing but I'm afraid of 'hard' sparring. I really don't want to do that because I don't train to fight, I just want to get a bit into shape and 'usual' sports like running and such just bore me to death. is hard sparring really absolutely necessary, or can I just refuse without feeling guilty all the time?
Hard sparring is stupid- especially for a beginner. ua-cam.com/video/Fa9XivfXjy0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/NIzku22IYmU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/JX9Hs8C9tAc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Kqmd_verZ9I/v-deo.html
Hi Ramsey. I'd be interested in seeing you analyse footage of various fighters in MMA and breaking down what they're doing for us novices. Also what do you think of this new Karate Combat league? I enjoy it, but don't understand why knees or elbows aren't allowed.
Just the other day in jiujitsu i did a sumigaeshi and the guy's knee landed deep in my balls. It hurt a lot, but interestingly enough it didn't stop me fighting. I doubt this is me just being really awesome and ard and invincible - but does this happen to anyone else? Where they can feel the pain a lot, but they can still function completely normally?
jimmy alderson maybe you have small balls lol just joking,yeah that's happened to me before.i got jumped by a few punkass dudes but one of them kick me in my nutty buddies.with the adrenaline going I really didn't feel much but I'll tell you this when it was all over my shit wasn't happy and neither was I.watch your ball bro only get one pair
being hitted in the groin is not that much different than getting one to the liver in my experience, you lost your breath, but usually you can continue, if you don't get hitted too hard, then it's over
I remember seeing a fight in high school many moons ago. Dude kicked the other in the balls, but the guy just went berserk and knocked the first one out. Then while he was standing there looking at his fallen opponent, standing there breathing, suddenly doubled over and puked. But it was after the fight was over and the adrenaline had worn off.
What about how the headbutt changes the clinch, like in Lethwei, also would be good to train with it in mind for grappling to if self defense is your goal
Its the practicitioner, not the art. MMA, or traditional doesnt matter. You can do all the techniques right, and sometimes you will still lose. If you can hold your own however you are trained your good to go.
One should take into consideration also the empathic nature of the fighters. Some very few that lack empathy would just poke eyes and stuff while the normal empathic ones would pursue a strategy that would not cause permanent damage or death to the opponent
The only thing I would disagree with here is the unpredictability of a bar fighter who cares nothing about any type of rules or social norms. When I was working as a bouncer years ago, while walking across the night club behind a bar patron, without any provocation from me, he suddenly spun around and smashed a full glass beer pitcher in my face. It didn't matter at all that I had trained, all that mattered was that there was no way to see this coming and no chance to react. As I lay in the emergency room that night, while a plastic surgeon sewed my face back together, I had a lot of time to think about what I might have done differently to have prevented getting hurt. I came to the conclusion that there was nothing I could have done differently to prevent this other than stay home that night. One cannot be on guard every second, 24 hours a day, just waiting for something crazy to happen as we aren't wired that way. This thug came to the bar that night looking to take out a bouncer and had a plan, an insane surprise attack that no rational person would anticipate. THAT is the advantage that someone has who doesn't care about rules, laws, or human decency.
@@RamseyDewey Well, that's what I thought at the time too This was many years ago, and the police only initially charged the guy with simple battery, a misdemeanor. After the business I worked for put some pressure on the state's attorney he upped the charge to aggravated battery which was a felony. But my only point was that there is a certain type of person out there who will do anything at all in a fight, not just thumb someone in the eye, but have a mindset to instantly escalate things to real mayhem. Most people I have known who train in the martial arts are pretty decent people who wouldn't resort to such a tactic and that's the one advantage a street fighter might have over them----no hesitation in grabbing a makeshift weapon and resorting to some really barbaric actions. In the street there are fairly common tactics like the sewing machine attack with a knife and rear chokes that you can't tap out from. I'm not arguing against martial arts for practical self defense, I'm just saying, with NO rules at all, I have seen some things that all the training in the world may not prepare someone for. Great channel by the way and I am in agreement with the vast majority of things you say.
I agree with your assessment 100%. I would like to add on to it though. If you took two guys, exact same skill level and attributes except one trained for cage and one trained dirty fighting, I'm still going to say the guy that trained the dirty fighting has an advantage simply because his mind is going there first. The cage fighters mind will go to his training first. I suppose it still comes down to fight how you train. Cage fighter will catch on of course, but those kinds of strikes won't be his first choice. Please note I stated that the street fighter has the "advantage", which is not saying he'll win every time.
I was the ultimate master of a realistic no-rules system. I took 50 friends with me, didn't pick a willing (or knowing) opponent, poisoned her water supply, ordered a drone strike on her city, and artificially redirected a meteor to kill us all and the planet we live on. Bet you don't train THAT in your puny martial arts classes! You unrealistic realism-diluters. What are YOU gonna do the next time you're walking down the street and you suddenly find yourself in a genetically reintroduced dinosaur's rear chinlock, huh? Or some ninjas have you at swordpoint, and you're wearing high heels and there's a tank? See, you don't think about these sorts of things while you're rolling around on a flat surfaced regular polygon in breathable shorts.
Well of course the professional fighter is going to have advantages against an unarmed noob in a street fight, but against someone remotely good with a knife it’s a whole different story not to mention multiple attackers and firearms etc. Real self defense is much more than these 1v1 ruled based fights with referee and gloves.
@Jose Vivas - He's telling about the sad reality in the streets. You pick a fight with one guy, he probably has 3 to 6 friends, armed or not, who'll most likely gang up on you and smash you really bad. So if you're a an MMA practitioner it's best not get into a fight in the street if you can, thinking otherwise is just ego.
I don't think he ever said that an experienced fighter will be better than someone(s) with weapons. Even in 1v1, if you are unarmed, and the other person has a knife and know how to use it, there's nothing you can do, no one is gonna debate that. But an experienced fighter can also carry a knife or gun or whatever. Training in combat sports doesn't magically impairs your ability to handle weapons. You can still train for knife fights or whatever besides your combat sport, they aren't mutually exclusive. But ask yourself this: When some drunken douches in a group pick a fight on you, would you rather be an experienced fighter with good conditioning and fitness that can highly function under stress, or an average Joe who sometimes go to some McDojo where they don't spar, don't do conditioning, cardio, just teaching how to poke someone in the eye or how to kick someone in the balls? Also an experienced fighter can take on multiple unarmed people: ua-cam.com/video/2lEEYVZR5xM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/S5eKUs3pZTk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/K_S2f7QPZKc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/OaCphbkJGDQ/v-deo.html and these were "just boxers", the most looked down combat sport by "street fight self defense experts" cuz "it's just punching" and I didn't see any referee that would stop them doing all those deadly and very effective dirty tricks
It seems like what you're talking about here is people who know how to fight versus people who don't or treat it like sport (I hear you harp on that and I agree wholeheartedly). Rules are there to protect the fighters. Naturally, organizations don't want their investments put out of commission permanently. One should never confuse that precaution for lack of realistic techniques, and people who "poo poo" BJJ, MMA, kickboxing, etc. deserve the rude awakening coming to them. I've sparred plenty, but it's mainly for positioning, timing, etc. I don't like to train my brain out of those "banned" techniques because they're usually the most effective. Then again, I don't do sport-fighting either. The only opponent I seek to defeat is myself :)
Question: because of the rules won't you develop 'blind spots'? coz if you are not used to do some things, coz you are not alowed to do, coz of the rules, (like in some martial arts you are not alowed to hit some areas so you dont have to guard them and you get used to not guarding them, but in a no-rules fight everything goes). sorry for my bad english :)
Some styles can struggle more than other in a street fight contest, but none needs to train for 20 years just to poke an eye instead of punch a jaw. Seriously :D
how do all? just remembered i of the funniest/scariest/dumbassed fights i encountered when 23 commercial fishing and anchored in grassy harbour while a strong gale swept across king island. walking down to push the dingy 'daffy' said he'll swim. considering he left all clothes on, including a heavy weave long jacket, he sank about 10 m away from boat. both tanked at the time, i dived in to pull him up. we wrestled till 5 farhom sandy bottom then had to tap him 3 or 4 times to get the jacket off and pull him up to the dingy. so now you'll have to add ' on the streets and in waters '. lucky a moonlit nite else would never had found him. but action always speaks louder, taztez.
I see this opinion of "reality based" training typically trumpeted by people who want to claim combat superiority without earning it through competition. It's a dangerous blind spot for these folks. I understand it though. It comes from the idea of "I don't have to train, I'll just be meaner". But what happens when you come up against someone who is trained THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE MEAN?
Here the street fight is very dangerous, you get shot or stabbed. The worst thing is that it never ends there afterwards they can look for you at your house to get revenge, I'm not kidding
When I used to teach, I would tell my students that they could train as hard and as long as they like but if they had no idea what it's like to get hit, they would easily be beaten in a brawl where the other guy has no formal training but is not afraid of getting hit because people have been beating on him his whole life. A kick-boxer who knows two punches and two kicks but who does know what it's like to get hit will beat any "Master" who has never been hit in his life, rules or no rules.
On top of what he said, another huge problem with self defense techniques is you can't train them effectively because you can't spar using them. I would assume a good Krav Maga (or any self defense style) instructor would have people spar in striking and grappling but I don't know if they actually do because I never trained in any of the self defense styles.
I think of rules as not limitations but as simplification. Imagine going to a dojo and training judo (i'll use an analogy of the art i know, rather than try one i don't) and on the first day, all right you need to learn a tai sabaki entry for a yama arashi followed by a rolling sankaku gatame jime osaekomi. Yeah that'd be effective, unbalance somebody, throw them hard, hold them down while choking them and breaking their arm. But you need to LEARN it first. You need to learn foot work then learn tai sabaki then learn throws and then learn yama arashi, develop your yama arashi with all the most comfortable gripping and entries and bldy positioning and momentum continuations. Then you can look at ground work, learn some holds learn some armlocks learn some strangles. Learn sankaku. Then you can learn how to choke from sankaku, learn how to break arms from sankaku, learn how to pin from sankaku and keep your own balance and how to readjust your sankaku so it doesn't get broken. Now you can do a tai sabaki yama arashi sankaku everything transition. Or you could run at them screaming flailing your arms out and try and poke them in the eye Sure the latter is simpler, takes less time, is natural and doesn't have big words. And yes the first is technical, difficult, precise. But if you train for that precision, against somebody just as precise as you who knows that you're going to do exactly those moves and yet you still do it; just imagine how easy it'd be to do that against somebody not expecting it. There are a few adjustments you need to make obviously, a real person won't just let you grip up and will be trying to hit you but you have experience and ability on your side. Your techniques regardless of your art becomes instinctual, just as instinctual as a poke to the eye
I have never done competitive BJJ before, I regularly used slaps in sparring during MMA class to distract my partner in order to put on a submission. They weren't even hard or with intention, just distracting and mildly annoying. I do not know if this is legal in non-MMA rules, however it did prove itself very effective without intention, nevermind with intention. Any thoughts?
Hey Ramsey! I have a suggestion about rules that would make MMA more interesting (in my opinion) = At any time a fighter can shout and yield the round to the opponent, losing a point. So that when he is down and the other guy is smacking him, or he is locked, he can get out of the difficult position by yielding one point to the opponent IF he chooses so. Then the fight restarts. Matches are best out of 5 rounds, best out of 9, etc. What do you think ? I believe it is MUCH better this way, because they will probably hurt each other less, and the result will be more "fair", in that you need to "defeat" the opponent many times, to take the match. Not just once. And also, when televised, it would be more interesting to watch, like a football match. Maybe one is losing, but there is still hope, etc.
So, multiple submissions/TKO's in the same fight? I don't see how that's fair. You work to get a guy into a position where effectively you could kill him if not for the ref stopping the match, but then he calls for a mulligan and gets another chance to knock you out? Sounds like the all rigged non-sanctioned MMA fights I had here in China from 2009-2010 where they would re-start the match after I choked my opponent out because they wanted the local guy to win so badly.
Thanks a lot for the answering. If you think it is no good, then it probably isn't. But I was thinking more along the lines of soccer, where scoring one goal does not win you the match automatically. Anyway as I said, if you do not think it is a good idea, then it probably isn't. Take care and be well, I watch all your videos although I am now 46 and too old for martial arts, but they are fun to watch nevertheless.
i recently had a street incident with someone who was much stronger than me.I did Judo many years ago and tried to throw this guy, but he was just too strong for me and I couldn't do anything with him.I have started Muay Thai, is this a better option for me than Judo?
I agree 100% and the bad news for these guys is that even eyes poking and groin attack i. Order to be successful you need have a good position and in order to do that you need to learn wrestling
I mean regardless of rules or not, actually fighting someone all out , not sparring etc, is extremely stupid unless you just have to or it's something that really needs to be done. (Another reason why I'm personally not a competition person and more of a "traditional" martial artist.) And that just goes even more so for situations as they get closer to reality. I understand that people enjoy it etc, but truly very similar to pointing a gun at someone you should never seriously fight someone you don't mind /do intend on killing. And given that competition, recognition all that mess is not nearly sufficient enough reason to seriously fight someone. But if you enter a competition and don't take it seriously you will most likely lose. Unless your just way better than the opponent. I never took competition seriously but I also never faced anyone near my level of skill within a competition either.
Self defense instructors worth their salt, know position, timing etc. They know everything an MMA fighter should know. Likewise an MMA would know how properly self defend if cornered in a street brawl. If he is a striker, he would adjust, so instead of aiming for the head, he would go for the throat and neck. He isn’t wearing gloves in this situation and neck and throat are much softer than the head. Also there is a major artery there, that can induce knock out. They’re also should be physically very fit because fitness is a MAJOR aspect of self defense. Also often enough they competed in their prime. If not mma because it was before the time, perhaps Judo, or other arts. I always argued that MMA is not complete self defense, as it’s a combat SPORT first, and this is necessary otherwise fighters careers would be very short. Self defense isn’t eye poking or going for small joint manipulation. It’s going for disrupting blood flow to the brain, whether through a strike or choke, joint holds leading to break, escaping, grabbing an improvised weapon and using it. Or getting enough distance to pull up a ccw gun. No rules means just that. No rules. That includes knives and guns.
One thing is sure, 2 Real fighters in a street figth, no rules no gloves, hard ground , contendants objects around will not figth for long time before a kill, or big injuries.
I hate to say alot of people OVERESTIMATE how debilitating eye pokes or groin shots actually are for two reasons. 1. You have to actually land both very cleanly in a very specific way to very small targets that people isntinctively will defend WHILE the other person is attacking you. I can attest to something bas rutten once said about someone trying to poke your eye all you have to really do is squeeze your eye shut and turn your head. 2. Just bc you did land it doesnt mean the persons going to crumple like a ton of bricks. You see guys in ufc get eye poked and groin kicked all the time and they are able to power through it. You can argue they wear cups but lets be honest how many "streetfights" do you see guys throwing inside leg kicks? Point being, if you base your combat effectiveness STRICTLY on your theory of utilizing groin kicks eye pokes etc youve obviously never really been in a real confrontation where the other persons trying to hurt you
I can agree that a boxer could modify their jab into a jab/eyepoke and it would be a great technique in a street fight I'm sure. But I personally believe in a street fight people will use what they've trained. If all you do is train punches that's what you'll use. In a street fight you'll probably fear for your life and resort to your training there won't be time to think only to react. The person who trains religiously how to cheap shot people, eye gouges fish hooks groin shots throat shots ECT are the people who will most likely use those moves. My opinion though Keep up the vids!
I see what you mean, but people training for groin kicks and eye gouges aren’t actually practicing those moves. They’re practicing close but no contact motions or simply pretending to do the moves with their training partners. You are correct in saying that we perform the way we practice.
Ramsey Dewey we try to push for realism as much as possible where I train. We do a lot of techniques that have knife hand chops to the trachea and we have our partners cover their throats with thier hands so we can feel the full penetration of the strike. Groin shots are reliant on the person wearing a cup and of course eye rakes or gouges we can't make contact with the eye. Theres a whole form we do in kenpo called "finger set" that shows the motions of how you would use your fingers/hands in the techniques you train for
The only difference that REALLY matters between rules and no rules fighting, is in the street you should run the fuck away, in a sports match you gotta stay and fight because you gotta fight. Street fighting situation brings a lot more danger into the equation, so you should just hit and escape, that's the only real self-defese for people who aren't willing to become athletes.
Ramsey Dewey let me know when you make that comparison video. I would love to hear your opinion. That is a tough one! Frankly, without thinking about it too much, I would have to say Mighty Mouse is the more consistently fluid and versatile fighter when it comes to transitioning from range to range and using footwork and angles to remain in striking distance while evading his opponents' counters. Oddly enough, I would say the exact same thing about Jones when compared to any other active fighter. Guess I need to think about it more. Very interested in your thoughts. Love your channel, btw.
It just goes to show that “the streets” actually have much more strict rules than combat sports. In you hurt, maim, or kill an opponent in an MMA fight, there are no legal consequences. Do the same thing in a street fight and you go to prison.
I do not wear ear guards when I grapple. In spite of spending thousands of hours on the mat, I’ve never had a case of cauliflower ear. I did get my left ear half torn off in my first kickboxing match though.
I only got in a choke demo once and my ears turned inside out(kinda exaggerated), first thing i thought of was what people that engaged in grappling all the time had to put through
I had this thought the other day. What would a reality based street defense fighter do if Ramsey showed up with eye goggles, a steel cup, and knee and shin guards with metal spikes on them? 😹. It’s not hard to take away someone’s first strike weapons with a little planning. 👻
I would imagine that part of organized fighting is the ability to not resort to those tactics when fighting for a large amount of money and on pay per view ..
There is a point here, you fight as you train. Someone who's training for no-rules fighting, with resistance, will have an advantage. My early kung-fu training was leading in this direction. I have my doubts whether the Kung-Fu experts we see about nowadays really represent Kung-Fu as I know it. It certainly isn't about high kcks, it's about lots of physical contact. It's weakness is the lack of ground training, but this is true of most military or reality based (as opposed to sport) systems. You go to the ground you're dead.
Yep, 100 percent. Another way to put it is those "reality-based" moves are very low-percentage. Someone trained in effective arts train specifically for the highest-percentage stuff. Being good at a few simple, gross forms is much more effective than being good at 1,000 complex subtle forms, as Bruce Lee eventually figured out. The guy who has one year training in boxing and wrestling will beat a black belt of traditional martial arts. And you can put these fanciful "reality-based" self-defense systems in the traditional martial arts category.
Did you happen to see the Tai Chi guy defending Xu Xioadong beating the tai chi master?.... that hilarious video he showed to show how mma wasn't real? I find a of my wing chun brothers and sisters say the same kind of things towards mma. I am happy learning traditional wing chun as I like to be apart of 300 years of knowledge passed down. To me that is an honour. At the same I do tend to clash sometimes with elders in it because I am not 100% committed to Wing Chun being a flawless system. Even our Grandmaster Ip Chun says WC needs to evolve. I started up a BJJ simply because fights go to the ground, it can just happen. And only after a couple of BJJ lessons I knew how dangerous is what to be in a bad position on the floor. At the same time I have found a lot of our traditional teachings tend to not be so focused on being in a good position but more being in a position and reacting. While only being trained in WC i have confidence I can defend myself on the street against a random, I would be no way inclined to say MMA fighters are not good reality fighters. If I was to take WC into a ring I would definately have some kind of grapple fighting mixed in and probably some boxing ( I just love boxers movements and don't know why WC hasn't adapted them into our system) to really ramp up that speed and power. Also would probs only use chain punches to force the victory. (I believe theres a rule where if you take 7 unguarded punches to the face its a TKO... and I can do that in like 2 secs with chain punches lol). Sorry for the rant, the question was for you, the rant was kind of to try open WC practitioners eyes to real combat sports. Maybe one day I can help evolve the WC system to meet modern fighting standards though. Love your work man, I think I have spammed 90% of your videos since last month when I discovered you.
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I wonder how many hours Mike Tyson spent in a no-rules self-defense class to train and be able to bite his opponent's ear off. Or how many hours Jon Jones spends on perfecting his eye pokes...
Rules are foundations to build skills upon. Once your foundation is set you can add things outside of the rules.
1 was kikcing me, judo reflex came to me and few seconds later i was able to crash his head on the around to death if i would. Fortunatly i just did a smash that makes him leave fast and far. Everyones should avoid streetfigths if he dont knows ways to cancel ennemy without risking to be jailed. Adrenaline is very versatile,can makes u survive but can end life fast. And we are never sure about winning or loose.
“If someone is faster than you, stronger than you, more skilled than you, more experienced than you, I assume that this guy’s eye poking will be faster than yours.”
That’s how I answer when someone ask me about Combat sport athlete in no-rules fight.
@Alexander Ffm
True, but the principle is correct.
If he wanted, he could, and he can presumably prevent the less skilled person from doing that.
@Alexander Ffm
How can you say 'never' here?
That the skilled person is superior in a fight over the other person is not necessarily apparent.
Granted, a robbery would not take place without a weapon, but can you really expect anyone who would start a brawl on the street to be a skilled fighter themselves?
Sure, self-defence does usually not include intentionally beating the atracker unconscious, but preventing eye pokes thanks to greater skill is conceivable.
I don't understand the original comment to say that the skilled fighter _would_ poke eyes, but that they could do so, just hypothetically, due to their skill, meaning that dirty fighting would not help overcoming the difference in skill.
@Alexander Ffm
I'm afraid, I don't.
You are trying to explain why a fight between an unskilled, weaker and a skilled, stronger person would never happen.
What I presume this comment of yours to mean, is that depending on the strategy you employ to attack someone, you expose one or another weak spot of yours.
In this case, however, the situation of a fight between the two has already arisen, so this argument explains only how the skilled person would succeed in defending themselves.
For this reasoning to be applicable by the unskilled person, they would need to know enough about fighting to be aware of openings and weak spots, or be self-aware sufficiently to realistically reckon their chances in a fight.
Neither of these can be assumed to be given with unskilled people.
So in addition to this, we agree that the scenario of Tang Mingchen's advice is possible.
Pleasure talking to you.
Have a nice one 👍
@mon2gy4 34 You're a nuisance.
I know this is a serious video but i lost it when he spoke about the student who doesn't get clear instructions xd
Asks to jab hand
*kicks man in nuts*
I'm a hardcore traditionalist, and I totally agree with this. Anyone who uses this bullshit argument is basically insulting the martial arts as a whole. If your eye poke and groin attack outdoes all of the technique, conditioning, and sparring a serious martial artist or fighter has done over the years, then what good is any form of fighting in the first place?
You’re not traditional, you’re a purist.
@@tomblack4634 No, he's obviously a traditionalist, but a realistic practical traditionalist, not a theoretical "traditionalist". I hate when watered down McDojo martial arts are called "traditional" when they are actually only a Chinese whispers/broken telephone hearsay version of a once probably working style. Real traditional styles had to constantly prove themselves and adapt to adaptations their opponents did. They were alive and changing, NEVER fixed systems. Constant proving and adapting IS part of the real tradition. Real traditionalists constantly test their system, adapt and hence evolve. Those theoretical "traditionalists" are not traditionalists, they are historians at best who clinch to one specific time of their style and by that basically killed their style.
Rules: Spar hard,, resisting parters, without injury, repeat process 1,000+x, develop skill & confidence not possible any other way. "Street' techniques: "IF I'd done it, I "WOULD'VE killed you." But you NEVER do it, you end w/NO experience, NO skill, & MUCH MORE confidence than is safe to have:^)
So this is what I've learnt and observed from growing up in a northern UK seaside town in the 1990's regarding street fighting.
1. It's never a 'fair fight' between two equally skilled opponent's of similar physical attributes. Never overestimate or underestimate the person's ability based on their appearance or body shape.
2. A fight often starts between individuals but escalates in seconds into a group situation involving mates, security, police and people totally unconnected to the fight joining in.
3. Most fights are started and ended with one punch, most street fighting isn't between two skilled opponent's, but by an aggressor and a victim.
4. If you hit the deck, you're in trouble, even spectators unconnected to the fight will kick a person when they are down.
5. Fights are started by people who feel confident they can win them, ie they have back up, they are mates with the security or are locals to the area.
6. Weapons, if available, especially glasses and bottles, will be used.
7. Broken knuckles, hands and wrists are as common as broken noses.
8. You're reputation means nothing to anybody who doesn't know your reputation, ie most people.
9. Trained fighters have a huge advantage, especially if they work security with other trained fighters.
10. Drugs and alcohol mask pain and destroy reason and anxiety, so even a normally sensible person can become dangerous.
11. A huge number of knockouts occur from cheap shots from the side and behind.
12. The police prefer to scape you off the floor than jump in as heroes, it's easier to arrest a perpetrator than stop fighting groups in the act.
13. All street fights are driven by insecurity, jealousy, ego, group dynamics, 90% of the time by males under 40.
You're better training with martial artists on a Friday night than drinking with angry thugs if you want to totally avoid violence. There is nothing to fear in a dojo, the streets are totally different game, the dojo helps keep you safe when you invetitably go out for the evening. So like @ramseydewey suggests, go train!
I second this statement. I think this is one of the most sensible thing written in the comments section.
I liken a trained fighter who fights with rules fighting in a street fight to a mean dog who's had the chain removed. Makes them more dangerous.
I like that shit. That's good shit.
1:17 *Ramsey Dewey is immune to this attack*
A guy I went to school with did one of those martial arts where the trainers would tell them "we don't spar cause our moves are to dangerous". Long story short he got into a fight with a guy that did mauy thai and he lost. I wasn't even a contest he was pretty under prepared to deal with someone who actually new what they were doing.
Traditionalist here...
"Dirty fighting" or the illegal mma moves might work, but if you don't have real techniques to follow them up, it'll just piss them off.
Example. Someone has you in an RNC. You can go ahead and try to take out the dude's eyes with gouges, but it is not going to make him magically let go.
... yes people think they can rely on just groin kicks and hair pulls to survive. ... its not going to go well for them.
But at the same time, there is merit in encouraging natural defense actions like scratching or biting. (If you're talking about the context of combat, and not a ring)
Not to mention the guy doing the RNC can eye poke too, but his eyepoke will be more effective. Am I the only one who saw Soldier with Kurt Russell?
I used to train MMA with a 3x Danish national & 2x Nordic wrestling champ - even in sparring/rolling he was the dirtiest fighter I ever encountered. Headbutts, scratching, biting, eye gauging, little nuggets ALL the Freaking time. He knew how to fight dirty. If he'd be "allowed" to do those things openly.....
I've thought about this too. specifically the elbow to the back of the head. I know everyone in the UFC knows BJJ and muay thai and I see people leave themselves open to elbows in the back of the head which I know a muay thai fighter would do, but they leave themselves open to it because it's illegal in the UFC, but there's no reason to think that they would do that when they know that it would be a possibility. if you fight a BJJ fighter on the street the aren't going to fall on their heads on concrete, do people think that UFC fighters have no situational awareness? that they are going to blank out and go into "in the ring" mode? nah, every trained fighter has plenty of time to think and plan during a real street fight where their opponent is probably some slow idiot that's been in some bar fights and open every fight with a haymaker.
As far as I know an elbow or strike to the back of the head isn't any more effective than a strike to any other place on the head, it's just more dangerous in that it can cause permanent damage or death.
@@calleX uh, more dangerous usually relates to more effective when you're trying to win a fight, but more importantly, that's not relevant to what I was saying.
@@supershawnodeseninja It was just a general observation. I disagree with you though. Just because something can potentially cripple of kill someone doesn't mean it's an effective technique. Ok "Ninja"
@@calleX ok you're right, I didn't think much about it. I wrote "ninja" in my name when I was like 10 ok it has nothing to do with my actual martial arts training.
but you're absolutely right, what's important when talking about effectiveness is what can be practical and gain you the upper hand. permanent damage isn't at all necessary to win or get out of a fight.
when i think about no rules fight, all that comes in my mind is rocks and weapons
That’s called aggravated assault.
Who is gonna use a rock better the guy who forces you on your back or mr rbsd
"In a street fight, we can do (this) or (that)...." no, chances are, since you never trained to apply anything you do, you won't be able to. Even a lesser technique that is applied will always be more effective than a "deadly" technique that can't hit its target properly. As some Karate master said once, "One technique mastered is worth a thousand techniques sampled".
Idk man, I think even the best figther will have a hard time against me just throwing a rock in his face
@@SpaghettiToaster and visit prison for murder or attempted murder.
@@crimsonred7517 are you implying I wouldn't go to prison for murdering someone using martial arts as opposed to rock throwing?
@@SpaghettiToaster In most countries throwing a punch or kick is not viewed as an attempt of murder however throwing an object is definetly vied as an attempt of murder in many countries.
@@crimsonred7517 You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what my comment, the comment I was replying to and the video he was commenting on is about.
"my style is to dangerous to spar" is simply an excuse not to spar. I train primary kungfu, and we spar as much as we can! I love your analogy of a good boxer being able to use his fingers to the eyes. That is realistic. Saying you can jab so ones eye without any real sparring... Is not.
Lol. This one martial arts school I went to used a different "excuse" to not spar. It says that we have a few codes. One of the code is that a practitioner isnt allowed to fight with someone of the same school. And at the same time teaching to resolve conflict with peace as the first option, so its would be frowned upon to go look for fights because theres no sparring allowed in that school. We even train counters to our own moves to make it harder for "infighting" to happen. The system was not encompassing enough but I used quite a few moves/concepts I learnt from that system to some limited success when I went for MMA later on in life, so Id say its half decent.
Your logic is indeed undeniable.
The effectiveness of 'dirty fighting' is grossly exaggerated. Kicking someone in the groin or poking them in the eye is not going to finish any remotely determined opponent. A good strike to the chin or choke that's more likely to be decisive - boxing, MT and BJJ are good places to learn these
As Ramsey has said a good boxer poking you in the eye can irreparably damage someone’s eyes.
It is definitely not the be all end all but it is by no means incapable of finishing someone.
Same with the groin kick, it’s not the be all end all but it is still an effective place to hit especially when done more than once or followed up with other strikes.
A poke in both eyes will, though. So will a throat strike.
SpaghettiToaster works on mma guys every time.
I'm afraid whole 'dirty fighting as an equalizer' thing is lost on most people on both sides of the debate. The cold hard fact is that when you practice martial art as a sport, inevitable result is that it will evolve 'bad habits', strategies and tactics where the purpose moves to winning a bout rather than simulating actual combat. It can and does happen in ALL martial sports. Look at fencing: there are stuff like whipovers, completely unrealistic for any real swordfight. Does that mean that fencing does no longer help you winning a swordfight? Of course not. Modern sports fencer would still completely murder non-fencer in a sword duel.
What this means for practicioner of combat sport is to recognize that the stuff you train has limitations in real world applications depending of what kind of ruleset you follow. It does not mean I am going to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr in a streetfight just because he doesn't train defending kicks to the groin (or kicks in general). For MMA practicioner it is probably something like "oh, I take this guy down and work a submission, it'll be easy - oh crap, he twists my ear, this never happens when we spar". Stick with the basics, don't go for the fancy, sport-specific stuff which helps you win for the judges and ref.
Had a dude try to soccer kick me in the balls after an argument. While he landed the kick he missed the balls completely so it didn't hurt me in the least. He ran away very quickly when he realized it didn't slow me down for even a second and realized everything he knew about fighting was bullshit.
Never intended to hurt the guy but I might have after his lame attempt.
I think you hit the nail on the head I totally agree with you on this subject
I've been training in krav maga for 1.5 yrs now and honestly I've never heard anyone around me at our dojo say that MMA practitioners aren't real fighters. It's evident that anyone who's training in combat sports has way more experience (at umm.. combat!) than anyone not training in combat sports! A lot of us who train in krav maga watch and appreciate MMA and know that we could never do what you guys do. We rarely train for scenarios exceeding a few seconds of "defend-counter-scan-runforyourlifedumbass". Outside of the special forces and paramilitary, all that even the best krav maga offers for civilians, is a teeny chance at escaping assault with minimal injury if at all possible. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been punched in the face often enough.
My thoughts exactly. I've tried to explain this to many people, with a 50/50 response. I have very little judo training and even less karate training, but knowing what I know plus street fighting techniques makes any fighter more dangerous.
No rules = knives & guns.
Yeah, but they don't teach you to use knives and guns in these self-defence technique classes.
Von Steiner
Actually yes they do. Tactical shooting classes for civilians do exist, & there are martial art schools that teach knife fighting.
The American Bando Association teaches fighting techniques with a khukuri.
@Okiwaga Still better alive in jail than not alive and buried imho
As my friend Paul Sharp says "if you can't beat me with rules what makes you think you can beat me without rules" You are exactly right about the new students. Id say at least 2-3 times per month a get some new guy on the mat who goes for my throat, groin or eyes. I normally just look over to my senior student and point to what they are doing and we smile because its so predictable. I came home two weeks ago with scratches on my throat and my wife asked "another one of those kenpo guys come to try your class?" lol
Just remember gentlemen, if you think you are tough, glove up and get in the ring with everyone who you think is a joke....there is nothing more humbling than getting choked out, dragged around, sissy slapped and rag-dolled by people who you think are a laughing stock to the profession. And then, just when you think your ego is at rock bottom, do it again with the opposite sex and re-live the nightmare all over again.
I remember telling some big guy that I'm a fan of brock lesnar and he basically said he was a wimp. Lol I told him to challenge him then and he kept making all kinds of bs saying that he could beat him. Etc. Some people are straight up stupid.
I wouldn't wanna experience that humbling with the opposite sex. Yikes
I tried to explain this to my Dad but he insists his "Sanuces Ryu" is still better in the streets and more "deadly" than any type of boxing, jiu jitsu or MMA training because they don't "train" for rules.
What's sanuces ryu?
Yeah what is it?
I Believe what your saying is true. That's the biggest reasons why they put rules in a caged match its because those guys will kill each other in a fight with no rules. I to have tried fighting with a MMA instructor before and got my ass handed to me. Even when I was doing thing my way against my instructor. At first when the match is about to begin and you thought of all possible ways of defeating your opponent from the start the biggest deal is that you still have to get close to him or her in order to do all that but the moment you get close and try those rushing attacks with multiple moves connecting together just to get that opening your waiting for BAM you get kicked, punch or even get taken down every idea that you first had is out the window, and don't know what to do after that. While your trying to recover from that and try to focus again the expert fighter is all up on you again giving you no time to think or even react. Unless your an expert on fighting yourself with all the training engrave into your instinct and can react pretty much with out think what to do next and without fear of getting punched or kicked again then you may stand a chance. That's my experience so far. To all that think this guy is telling you lies, He's actually got a point. And the biggest part of it all is that most people are afraid of fights because of the fear of getting hurt. The fear only goes away when you already been hit once or twice. But then most people will just go on a rampage after that and that's when you lose the fight. lost of self control against a expert MMA fighter is going to be the last thing you want in a match.
I've got a black belt in judo and worked as a bouncer until the mid 90 s and I must admit I've squeezed more bollocks than a knob doctor they leave the bar on top toes 😂
David Burt This guy is a big egotistical asshole . I have a ccw license I carry a smith wesson 1.9 inch 38 special +p and it's very concealable. You have the guys with the same argument saying a bigger gun is better. Grant it you would know it got mine but if I get into a gunfight it will be a round to the kneecap or nutts then one to the head. Who needs a big ass gun?
speaking of asking the right questions. what would you rather have. The abilitity to fly but only on sundays
or to have grown up with 12 russian dads who all taught u wrestling, but never really fully gave you the credit but deep down they were proud.
fly on sundays player
So true I was a bouncer for 7 year's and was a Thai fighter and boxer I agree stance balance and body awareness is King
I would actually think a trained fighter would be more likely to deploy tactics such as pokes and using makeshift weapons because they would have the composure to be resourceful. They would both be desensitized to confrontation and exert less mental effort landing and avoiding blows. Someone who’s never trained like that, forget it. You’re not going to think to pick up a rock as a weapon or gouge the eyes because you’ll be operating off instinct.
100% agree. Only thing I wish to bring: sometimes, if you trained too much into certain style, your instinct will be limited to what you were trained. Which may not help in rare situation. A trained fighter (with rules), still needs to train for street fight.
True story: two friends got into a fight outside of bar with a group of "trouble" people. one was boxer, the other was a wrestler. In one on one spar between them, the wrestler would win more. but in the street, the boxer knocked several people out without any injury. The wrestler only beat one guy and had to be hospitalized after the fight. The reason? the wrestler's instinct kicked in, and he brought the fight to the ground. Well he could beat one guy, he was kicked/beat up by several others.
Idk I got involved in 2 "real fights" in my life in which I could say if I was taken down to the ground I was dead and in my head it was really like : if you're down, you're dead repeatedly echoing in my head during these maybe 15 seconds. everything that was happening was purely instinctive. I got hit in the jaw at one moment and I immediately grabbed his hand and pulled him to the ground, and he fell. Everything was happening so fast that even in the moment the dude was down I was thinking I need to run away and the moment I walked over him I even had the time to think if I had to kick him in the head. It's like my brain had never been so fast to think that in that precise moment, during a small jump to wonder if you should kick his head, so that's like 1/4 sec. It's a very troubling situation.
Not at any moment though I had the will to kick the shit out of one them. I was only seeking for an opportunity to run away faster than I never could have!
lol! "that's not a punch"...that's comedy gold
This exactly is also huge problem of chinese martial arts. I mean, they all talk about how someone in their lineage proved how deadly the art is in challenge fights but then they talk about sparring and competition being harmful and ruining your technique... Luckily you can always go to sanda gym and get some reality into your wingchun training there. In my experience sanda folks usually appreciate encounter with something weird and new as long as you're not being a dick :-D
you're crackin me up here. lmao
If someone says they train in pulling people's hair and biting them, just ask why they're so bad at fighting that they need to train their natural defence instincts.
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hey ramsey, I love your videos and I've been watching them a lot lately. I have a question for you and I hope you can answer it.
I picked up kickboxing but I'm afraid of 'hard' sparring. I really don't want to do that because I don't train to fight, I just want to get a bit into shape and 'usual' sports like running and such just bore me to death. is hard sparring really absolutely necessary, or can I just refuse without feeling guilty all the time?
Hard sparring is stupid- especially for a beginner.
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Hi Ramsey. I'd be interested in seeing you analyse footage of various fighters in MMA and breaking down what they're doing for us novices. Also what do you think of this new Karate Combat league? I enjoy it, but don't understand why knees or elbows aren't allowed.
I studied under the great masters Larry, Moe and Curly... eye pokes and face slaps are the touch of death.
Don't fear the man who has trained 10,000 eye pokes, fear the man who has trained one eye poke 10,000 times.
Well... when i attended MMA, the coach showed us, how to do a submission by the rules, and how to do it in a way it break bones, sever tendons etc
Finally someone said it thanks for making this video.
Just the other day in jiujitsu i did a sumigaeshi and the guy's knee landed deep in my balls. It hurt a lot, but interestingly enough it didn't stop me fighting. I doubt this is me just being really awesome and ard and invincible - but does this happen to anyone else? Where they can feel the pain a lot, but they can still function completely normally?
jimmy alderson maybe you have small balls lol just joking,yeah that's happened to me before.i got jumped by a few punkass dudes but one of them kick me in my nutty buddies.with the adrenaline going I really didn't feel much but I'll tell you this when it was all over my shit wasn't happy and neither was I.watch your ball bro only get one pair
j.c.m hard core metal fan profound
Adrenaline is a great painkiller.
being hitted in the groin is not that much different than getting one to the liver in my experience, you lost your breath, but usually you can continue, if you don't get hitted too hard, then it's over
I remember seeing a fight in high school many moons ago. Dude kicked the other in the balls, but the guy just went berserk and knocked the first one out. Then while he was standing there looking at his fallen opponent, standing there breathing, suddenly doubled over and puked. But it was after the fight was over and the adrenaline had worn off.
What about how the headbutt changes the clinch, like in Lethwei, also would be good to train with it in mind for grappling to if self defense is your goal
Its the practicitioner, not the art. MMA, or traditional doesnt matter. You can do all the techniques right, and sometimes you will still lose. If you can hold your own however you are trained your good to go.
True, I do practice my eye pokes just in case
thank god this guy (ramesy dewy) gets it! your amazing "giving them extra weapons" i could have not said it better my self
These things are like tkd kicks they are useful if you already know how to fight
Quick question: Have you done or heard of Vale Tudo competitions in Brazil? What do you think about them?
One should take into consideration also the empathic nature of the fighters. Some very few that lack empathy would just poke eyes and stuff while the normal empathic ones would pursue a strategy that would not cause permanent damage or death to the opponent
The only thing I would disagree with here is the unpredictability of a bar fighter who cares nothing about any type of rules or social norms. When I was working as a bouncer years ago, while walking across the night club behind a bar patron, without any provocation from me, he suddenly spun around and smashed a full glass beer pitcher in my face. It didn't matter at all that I had trained, all that mattered was that there was no way to see this coming and no chance to react. As I lay in the emergency room that night, while a plastic surgeon sewed my face back together, I had a lot of time to think about what I might have done differently to have prevented getting hurt. I came to the conclusion that there was nothing I could have done differently to prevent this other than stay home that night. One cannot be on guard every second, 24 hours a day, just waiting for something crazy to happen as we aren't wired that way. This thug came to the bar that night looking to take out a bouncer and had a plan, an insane surprise attack that no rational person would anticipate. THAT is the advantage that someone has who doesn't care about rules, laws, or human decency.
That’s aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, not a fight.
@@RamseyDewey Well, that's what I thought at the time too This was many years ago, and the police only initially charged the guy with simple battery, a misdemeanor. After the business I worked for put some pressure on the state's attorney he upped the charge to aggravated battery which was a felony. But my only point was that there is a certain type of person out there who will do anything at all in a fight, not just thumb someone in the eye, but have a mindset to instantly escalate things to real mayhem. Most people I have known who train in the martial arts are pretty decent people who wouldn't resort to such a tactic and that's the one advantage a street fighter might have over them----no hesitation in grabbing a makeshift weapon and resorting to some really barbaric actions. In the street there are fairly common tactics like the sewing machine attack with a knife and rear chokes that you can't tap out from. I'm not arguing against martial arts for practical self defense, I'm just saying, with NO rules at all, I have seen some things that all the training in the world may not prepare someone for. Great channel by the way and I am in agreement with the vast majority of things you say.
I agree with your assessment 100%. I would like to add on to it though. If you took two guys, exact same skill level and attributes except one trained for cage and one trained dirty fighting, I'm still going to say the guy that trained the dirty fighting has an advantage simply because his mind is going there first. The cage fighters mind will go to his training first. I suppose it still comes down to fight how you train. Cage fighter will catch on of course, but those kinds of strikes won't be his first choice. Please note I stated that the street fighter has the "advantage", which is not saying he'll win every time.
I’d love to see you on joe Rohan’s podcasts
Hahaha... that would be pretty cool! Maybe one day
Me too!
I was the ultimate master of a realistic no-rules system. I took 50 friends with me, didn't pick a willing (or knowing) opponent, poisoned her water supply, ordered a drone strike on her city, and artificially redirected a meteor to kill us all and the planet we live on. Bet you don't train THAT in your puny martial arts classes! You unrealistic realism-diluters. What are YOU gonna do the next time you're walking down the street and you suddenly find yourself in a genetically reintroduced dinosaur's rear chinlock, huh? Or some ninjas have you at swordpoint, and you're wearing high heels and there's a tank? See, you don't think about these sorts of things while you're rolling around on a flat surfaced regular polygon in breathable shorts.
Well of course the professional fighter is going to have advantages against an unarmed noob in a street fight, but against someone remotely good with a knife it’s a whole different story not to mention multiple attackers and firearms etc. Real self defense is much more than these 1v1 ruled based fights with referee and gloves.
@Jose Vivas - He's telling about the sad reality in the streets. You pick a fight with one guy, he probably has 3 to 6 friends, armed or not, who'll most likely gang up on you and smash you really bad. So if you're a an MMA practitioner it's best not get into a fight in the street if you can, thinking otherwise is just ego.
I don't think he ever said that an experienced fighter will be better than someone(s) with weapons. Even in 1v1, if you are unarmed, and the other person has a knife and know how to use it, there's nothing you can do, no one is gonna debate that. But an experienced fighter can also carry a knife or gun or whatever. Training in combat sports doesn't magically impairs your ability to handle weapons. You can still train for knife fights or whatever besides your combat sport, they aren't mutually exclusive.
But ask yourself this: When some drunken douches in a group pick a fight on you, would you rather be an experienced fighter with good conditioning and fitness that can highly function under stress, or an average Joe who sometimes go to some McDojo where they don't spar, don't do conditioning, cardio, just teaching how to poke someone in the eye or how to kick someone in the balls?
Also an experienced fighter can take on multiple unarmed people:
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and these were "just boxers", the most looked down combat sport by "street fight self defense experts" cuz "it's just punching" and I didn't see any referee that would stop them doing all those deadly and very effective dirty tricks
Eheh I agre 100% with your exposition! Bas Rutten docet " if I can kick your ass with rules, do you think I can´t without them?"
Jotaro Kujo79 wait, I thought it was George St. Pierre who said that?
It seems like what you're talking about here is people who know how to fight versus people who don't or treat it like sport (I hear you harp on that and I agree wholeheartedly). Rules are there to protect the fighters. Naturally, organizations don't want their investments put out of commission permanently. One should never confuse that precaution for lack of realistic techniques, and people who "poo poo" BJJ, MMA, kickboxing, etc. deserve the rude awakening coming to them.
I've sparred plenty, but it's mainly for positioning, timing, etc. I don't like to train my brain out of those "banned" techniques because they're usually the most effective. Then again, I don't do sport-fighting either. The only opponent I seek to defeat is myself :)
I think dirty fighting is only useful to people who don't know how to fight. Love your vids.
Question: because of the rules won't you develop 'blind spots'? coz if you are not used to do some things, coz you are not alowed to do, coz of the rules, (like in some martial arts you are not alowed to hit some areas so you dont have to guard them and you get used to not guarding them, but in a no-rules fight everything goes). sorry for my bad english :)
It was a great video. Some martial arts teach you to redirect stuff like a knife.
Some styles can struggle more than other in a street fight contest, but none needs to train for 20 years just to poke an eye instead of punch a jaw. Seriously :D
This should be obvious. If it isn't for you, just watch the video. Again if needed.
how do all? just remembered i of the funniest/scariest/dumbassed fights i encountered when 23 commercial fishing and anchored in grassy harbour while a strong gale swept across king island.
walking down to push the dingy 'daffy' said he'll swim. considering he left all clothes on, including a heavy weave long jacket, he sank about 10 m away from boat. both tanked at the time, i dived in to pull him up. we wrestled till 5 farhom sandy bottom then had to tap him 3 or 4 times to get the jacket off and pull him up to the dingy.
so now you'll have to add ' on the streets and in waters '. lucky a moonlit nite else would never had found him. but action always speaks louder, taztez.
I see this opinion of "reality based" training typically trumpeted by people who want to claim combat superiority without earning it through competition. It's a dangerous blind spot for these folks. I understand it though. It comes from the idea of "I don't have to train, I'll just be meaner". But what happens when you come up against someone who is trained THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE MEAN?
Here the street fight is very dangerous, you get shot or stabbed. The worst thing is that it never ends there afterwards they can look for you at your house to get revenge, I'm not kidding
When I used to teach, I would tell my students that they could train as hard and as long as they like but if they had no idea what it's like to get hit, they would easily be beaten in a brawl where the other guy has no formal training but is not afraid of getting hit because people have been beating on him his whole life.
A kick-boxer who knows two punches and two kicks but who does know what it's like to get hit will beat any "Master" who has never been hit in his life, rules or no rules.
Limitations breed creativity.
The early UFC rules; how I long for those days!
On top of what he said, another huge problem with self defense techniques is you can't train them effectively because you can't spar using them. I would assume a good Krav Maga (or any self defense style) instructor would have people spar in striking and grappling but I don't know if they actually do because I never trained in any of the self defense styles.
i like this guy
What makes a great student of martial arts, and what makes the very worst? :) Can you give a couple of examples from your time as a trainer
I don't mind modifying few of my low kicks to nut kicks. Or incorporate some eye gouges in to my BJJ.
I think of rules as not limitations but as simplification. Imagine going to a dojo and training judo (i'll use an analogy of the art i know, rather than try one i don't) and on the first day, all right you need to learn a tai sabaki entry for a yama arashi followed by a rolling sankaku gatame jime osaekomi. Yeah that'd be effective, unbalance somebody, throw them hard, hold them down while choking them and breaking their arm. But you need to LEARN it first. You need to learn foot work then learn tai sabaki then learn throws and then learn yama arashi, develop your yama arashi with all the most comfortable gripping and entries and bldy positioning and momentum continuations. Then you can look at ground work, learn some holds learn some armlocks learn some strangles. Learn sankaku. Then you can learn how to choke from sankaku, learn how to break arms from sankaku, learn how to pin from sankaku and keep your own balance and how to readjust your sankaku so it doesn't get broken. Now you can do a tai sabaki yama arashi sankaku everything transition.
Or you could run at them screaming flailing your arms out and try and poke them in the eye
Sure the latter is simpler, takes less time, is natural and doesn't have big words. And yes the first is technical, difficult, precise. But if you train for that precision, against somebody just as precise as you who knows that you're going to do exactly those moves and yet you still do it; just imagine how easy it'd be to do that against somebody not expecting it. There are a few adjustments you need to make obviously, a real person won't just let you grip up and will be trying to hit you but you have experience and ability on your side. Your techniques regardless of your art becomes instinctual, just as instinctual as a poke to the eye
I have never done competitive BJJ before, I regularly used slaps in sparring during MMA class to distract my partner in order to put on a submission. They weren't even hard or with intention, just distracting and mildly annoying. I do not know if this is legal in non-MMA rules, however it did prove itself very effective without intention, nevermind with intention. Any thoughts?
Hey Ramsey!
I have a suggestion about rules that would make MMA more interesting (in my opinion) =
At any time a fighter can shout and yield the round to the opponent, losing a point. So that when he is down and the other guy is smacking him, or he is locked, he can get out of the difficult position by yielding one point to the opponent IF he chooses so. Then the fight restarts.
Matches are best out of 5 rounds, best out of 9, etc.
What do you think ? I believe it is MUCH better this way, because they will probably hurt each other less, and the result will be more "fair", in that you need to "defeat" the opponent many times, to take the match. Not just once. And also, when televised, it would be more interesting to watch, like a football match. Maybe one is losing, but there is still hope, etc.
So, multiple submissions/TKO's in the same fight? I don't see how that's fair. You work to get a guy into a position where effectively you could kill him if not for the ref stopping the match, but then he calls for a mulligan and gets another chance to knock you out? Sounds like the all rigged non-sanctioned MMA fights I had here in China from 2009-2010 where they would re-start the match after I choked my opponent out because they wanted the local guy to win so badly.
Thanks a lot for the answering. If you think it is no good, then it probably isn't. But I was thinking more along the lines of soccer, where scoring one goal does not win you the match automatically. Anyway as I said, if you do not think it is a good idea, then it probably isn't. Take care and be well, I watch all your videos although I am now 46 and too old for martial arts, but they are fun to watch nevertheless.
what they don't get is that mma guys can do that on the street to
i recently had a street incident with someone who was much stronger than me.I did Judo many years ago and tried to throw this guy, but he was just too strong for me and I couldn't do anything with him.I have started Muay Thai, is this a better option for me than Judo?
I agree 100% and the bad news for these guys is that even eyes poking and groin attack i. Order to be successful you need have a good position and in order to do that you need to learn wrestling
I mean regardless of rules or not, actually fighting someone all out , not sparring etc, is extremely stupid unless you just have to or it's something that really needs to be done. (Another reason why I'm personally not a competition person and more of a "traditional" martial artist.) And that just goes even more so for situations as they get closer to reality. I understand that people enjoy it etc, but truly very similar to pointing a gun at someone you should never seriously fight someone you don't mind /do intend on killing. And given that competition, recognition all that mess is not nearly sufficient enough reason to seriously fight someone. But if you enter a competition and don't take it seriously you will most likely lose. Unless your just way better than the opponent. I never took competition seriously but I also never faced anyone near my level of skill within a competition either.
Self defense instructors worth their salt, know position, timing etc. They know everything an MMA fighter should know. Likewise an MMA would know how properly self defend if cornered in a street brawl. If he is a striker, he would adjust, so instead of aiming for the head, he would go for the throat and neck. He isn’t wearing gloves in this situation and neck and throat are much softer than the head. Also there is a major artery there, that can induce knock out.
They’re also should be physically very fit because fitness is a MAJOR aspect of self defense. Also often enough they competed in their prime. If not mma because it was before the time, perhaps Judo, or other arts.
I always argued that MMA is not complete self defense, as it’s a combat SPORT first, and this is necessary otherwise fighters careers would be very short.
Self defense isn’t eye poking or going for small joint manipulation. It’s going for disrupting blood flow to the brain, whether through a strike or choke, joint holds leading to break, escaping, grabbing an improvised weapon and using it. Or getting enough distance to pull up a ccw gun. No rules means just that. No rules. That includes knives and guns.
One thing is sure, 2 Real fighters in a street figth, no rules no gloves, hard ground , contendants objects around will not figth for long time before a kill, or big injuries.
I hate to say alot of people OVERESTIMATE how debilitating eye pokes or groin shots actually are for two reasons.
1. You have to actually land both very cleanly in a very specific way to very small targets that people isntinctively will defend WHILE the other person is attacking you. I can attest to something bas rutten once said about someone trying to poke your eye all you have to really do is squeeze your eye shut and turn your head.
2. Just bc you did land it doesnt mean the persons going to crumple like a ton of bricks. You see guys in ufc get eye poked and groin kicked all the time and they are able to power through it. You can argue they wear cups but lets be honest how many "streetfights" do you see guys throwing inside leg kicks?
Point being, if you base your combat effectiveness STRICTLY on your theory of utilizing groin kicks eye pokes etc youve obviously never really been in a real confrontation where the other persons trying to hurt you
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THANK G** for cups.LOL
I can agree that a boxer could modify their jab into a jab/eyepoke and it would be a great technique in a street fight I'm sure. But I personally believe in a street fight people will use what they've trained. If all you do is train punches that's what you'll use. In a street fight you'll probably fear for your life and resort to your training there won't be time to think only to react. The person who trains religiously how to cheap shot people, eye gouges fish hooks groin shots throat shots ECT are the people who will most likely use those moves.
My opinion though
Keep up the vids!
I see what you mean, but people training for groin kicks and eye gouges aren’t actually practicing those moves. They’re practicing close but no contact motions or simply pretending to do the moves with their training partners. You are correct in saying that we perform the way we practice.
Ramsey Dewey we try to push for realism as much as possible where I train. We do a lot of techniques that have knife hand chops to the trachea and we have our partners cover their throats with thier hands so we can feel the full penetration of the strike. Groin shots are reliant on the person wearing a cup and of course eye rakes or gouges we can't make contact with the eye. Theres a whole form we do in kenpo called "finger set" that shows the motions of how you would use your fingers/hands in the techniques you train for
No rules fighting means you bring a weapon - " Where''s your tool?" as someone once said in a movie I forget the name of, about kids in Borstal.
The only difference that REALLY matters between rules and no rules fighting, is in the street you should run the fuck away, in a sports match you gotta stay and fight because you gotta fight. Street fighting situation brings a lot more danger into the equation, so you should just hit and escape, that's the only real self-defese for people who aren't willing to become athletes.
Can you do a video on who u think is the better fighter anderson silva or demetrious johnson
Tough question, but ask and you shall receive!
Ramsey Dewey let me know when you make that comparison video. I would love to hear your opinion. That is a tough one! Frankly, without thinking about it too much, I would have to say Mighty Mouse is the more consistently fluid and versatile fighter when it comes to transitioning from range to range and using footwork and angles to remain in striking distance while evading his opponents' counters. Oddly enough, I would say the exact same thing about Jones when compared to any other active fighter. Guess I need to think about it more. Very interested in your thoughts.
Love your channel, btw.
I dunno, my cousin got another 2 years in prison for blinding a much bigger guy who was trying to kill him.
It just goes to show that “the streets” actually have much more strict rules than combat sports. In you hurt, maim, or kill an opponent in an MMA fight, there are no legal consequences. Do the same thing in a street fight and you go to prison.
Well at least he survived, 2 years is better than being dead.
also do you wear ear protectors? your ears are perfect
I do not wear ear guards when I grapple. In spite of spending thousands of hours on the mat, I’ve never had a case of cauliflower ear. I did get my left ear half torn off in my first kickboxing match though.
I only got in a choke demo once and my ears turned inside out(kinda exaggerated), first thing i thought of was what people that engaged in grappling all the time had to put through
One of Royce Gracie's opponents in UFC1 bit him but Royce still choked him the fuck out.
I had this thought the other day. What would a reality based street defense fighter do if Ramsey showed up with eye goggles, a steel cup, and knee and shin guards with metal spikes on them? 😹. It’s not hard to take away someone’s first strike weapons with a little planning. 👻
I would imagine that part of organized fighting is the ability to not resort to those tactics when fighting for a large amount of money and on pay per view ..
There is a point here, you fight as you train. Someone who's training for no-rules fighting, with resistance, will have an advantage. My early kung-fu training was leading in this direction. I have my doubts whether the Kung-Fu experts we see about nowadays really represent Kung-Fu as I know it. It certainly isn't about high kcks, it's about lots of physical contact. It's weakness is the lack of ground training, but this is true of most military or reality based (as opposed to sport) systems. You go to the ground you're dead.
"That's not a punch" hahaha. Im sorry that happened to you but that's a great story lol
there is a danger of developing bad habits if you only spar 1 way though.
Yep, 100 percent. Another way to put it is those "reality-based" moves are very low-percentage. Someone trained in effective arts train specifically for the highest-percentage stuff. Being good at a few simple, gross forms is much more effective than being good at 1,000 complex subtle forms, as Bruce Lee eventually figured out. The guy who has one year training in boxing and wrestling will beat a black belt of traditional martial arts. And you can put these fanciful "reality-based" self-defense systems in the traditional martial arts category.
People will come up with so many fancy excuses to not train
Did you happen to see the Tai Chi guy defending Xu Xioadong beating the tai chi master?.... that hilarious video he showed to show how mma wasn't real? I find a of my wing chun brothers and sisters say the same kind of things towards mma. I am happy learning traditional wing chun as I like to be apart of 300 years of knowledge passed down. To me that is an honour. At the same I do tend to clash sometimes with elders in it because I am not 100% committed to Wing Chun being a flawless system. Even our Grandmaster Ip Chun says WC needs to evolve. I started up a BJJ simply because fights go to the ground, it can just happen. And only after a couple of BJJ lessons I knew how dangerous is what to be in a bad position on the floor. At the same time I have found a lot of our traditional teachings tend to not be so focused on being in a good position but more being in a position and reacting. While only being trained in WC i have confidence I can defend myself on the street against a random, I would be no way inclined to say MMA fighters are not good reality fighters. If I was to take WC into a ring I would definately have some kind of grapple fighting mixed in and probably some boxing ( I just love boxers movements and don't know why WC hasn't adapted them into our system) to really ramp up that speed and power. Also would probs only use chain punches to force the victory. (I believe theres a rule where if you take 7 unguarded punches to the face its a TKO... and I can do that in like 2 secs with chain punches lol). Sorry for the rant, the question was for you, the rant was kind of to try open WC practitioners eyes to real combat sports. Maybe one day I can help evolve the WC system to meet modern fighting standards though. Love your work man, I think I have spammed 90% of your videos since last month when I discovered you.
Ramsey, what do you think about mutual inflicting such as if both people start biting each other at the same time 🤣?
Those people need counseling.
2:34 I recommend you all peeps to watch Ken shamrock vs Royce Gracie, it's gonna be seriously worth your while✌️✌️