@@tbrown15 With the vegans alot of it stems from their compassion for animals. It's not about how you eat that bothers them. If I wanted to live off plaster board and roof iron they wouldn't bat an eyelid. Its that they think because they morally have a problem with farming animals that we somehow just don't get it. Lack compassion etc. So they think if only they educate us we will align our view with theirs. What they don't understand is people are not dense. Yes.... vegans.... I know where meat comes from. Yes I understand I am not eating a live cow and it was an animal that died. It is my choice to be okay with that and not be lambasted for having different beliefs to you. If they want to eat that way go for it. If they want to stop using so much oil.... go for it. But the extreme ones always seem to think it is their job to forcibly educate others. I'm a carnivore and if people want to ask more I gladly tell them. But I'm not going to be on some moral high ground over it. They can kill all the vegetables and nuts they like I couldn't care less. Lol
Lewis and Clark's crew ate meat almost exclusively during their 2 year journey. Even when they got to Pacific Northwest and fish were abundant they bartered for dog instead. The only member to die during the expedition probably had appendicitis.
He does alot of speaking is why nip doubt, that old man that does the covid updates has super raspy voice. On a positive note singers that have that raspy voice make a boat load of money!!! So grab a 🎤!!
Minnesota Fatz What are you talking about? People died back in the day from witches cursing people. Everyone from the 1700's knows that. Ain't no cancer around these parts.
Perhaps so in the "ancient" world but cancer was well diagnosed and described by physicians in the 1800's. The rates have been rapidly increasing since early 1900's. There's a strong correlation between increasing cancer rates and the introduction of fake fats (crisco). In 1900 the rate of cancer was about 2 per 100.
@@johnc.8298 What people eat back in early 1900s and what was the life expectancy? Clearly cancer rates increased when life expectancy and smoking rates increased. In 1980, the average age a person get diagnosed with cancer in USA was 67 years old.
@@carlosurquia2128 Life expectancy and life span are not interchangeable. Life expectancy is the average age at death of all deaths recorded vs. maximum ages at death (span). The lower life expectancy of earlier eras is due to a skewing of deaths from childhood diseases, mothers dying during childbirth, and other diseases which brought down the statistical average. I've read that if a person survived beyond their teen years most would live to a ripe old age. My Great, Great, Great grandmother Lucy lived to be 89. Her daughter Eliza, ( my g, g, grandmother) lived to be 36. Altho' the tombstone didn't say, I suspect from childbirth. Regards, J.
when it comes to health and diet the number of variables in play is ludicrous to the point where statistical data becomes unreliable, as evidenced by all the currently existent studies that contradict each other. The idea that in that environment so many people consider themselves experts in the field or at least highly knowledgeable I find to be equally suspect.
Organ meat is suppose to be the best meat for you. But it's got such a bad stigma in the u.s. that not many eat it. Saw a study that showed that it was more nutritious than fruit in a lot of cases. The study focused on the Inuit and how healthy they were with meat diets. Too bad nobody can afford to eat grass fed,free range, all organic meat like this guy tho so there really isn't any tale always here for the average Joe.
Actually it's MUCH more nutritious than fruit. Much of the nutrients in fruit are bound up in "anti-nutrients" and as such cannot be assimilated by our body. Animal flesh is much like our own and when we eat it, it is fully bioavailable. There isn't much vitamin c in meat but our body can utilize all of it. Carnivores apparently don't get scurvy for this reason.
There is a butcher in my town who sells exclusively grass fed pasture raised beef, including all organs. I buy beef liver from him at $7 a pound. I typically eat eggs or Greek yogurt/blueberries for breakfast and 1-2 steaks for dinner. It’s about as expensive as my grocery list used to be before I started low carb/high fat
4 lbs isn’t that much when you think about it. My 95 lb raw fed dog with a super high metabolism eats 3 lbs per day. 4 lbs for a 200 + lb guy is really very little.
Unfortunately most people aren't going to be able to afford the kind of meat thats actually healthy (or have the background in hunting to get it) so saying that it's okay to eat nothing but meat all day is downright irresponsible.
because the dude is talking about people eating meat from a different era. meat from animals that ate natural food. today, our meat (cows, chickens, etc.) are fed corn, walk around in their own shit, etc. this makes the meat very unhealthy. he doesn't talk about this at all
Well what we do with cancer is either cut it out if you catch it early, burn it through radiation or poison it through chemotherapy. In the cutting case, then yeah it's just as "simple" as injecting cancer into rats, almost at least.
Get John Rose on your show. Interesting perspective on everything, including plant based diets. The man is 62 and has the physique of a twenty-five year old.
My total cholesterol is sometimes as high as 225 but thats because my HDL is always over 110. High fat/Moderate protein/Low carbs (over 10 cups of salad and vegetables to scrub my intestines clean)
@@TrackedHiker Eating dark, leafy greens cleanses your colon. Fat-soluble chlorophyll adheres to the lining of the intestinal wall and retards bacterial growth, removes putrefied bacteria from the colon, and helps heal the mucus lining of the gastrointestinal tract. Chlorophyll can provide sustenance to beneficial microorganisms in the gut. Prebiotics are nondigestible fibres that promote the growth and activity of beneficial bacteria. They support gut health by 'pushing' out harmful bacteria and encouraging the synthesis of helpful chemicals
fact is the overwhelming majority of doctorate nutritionists and cardiologist support a plant based diet which is suitable for all ages. I'm not even on a 100% plant based diet myself currently but i was not too long ago for a prolonged amount of time and converted based on almost indisputable evidence showing the decline and recession of chronic diseases which are have the highest mortality rates in the US. I'm making a decision with my own health, if you don't care that's cool but saying that a plant based diet isn't better for you is almost laughable these days with the amount of supporting evidence.
@@torgeirmolaug196 A very interesting question you pose. It has me wondering what people of various lifestyles and diets die of whether it be the S.A.D., carnivore, vegan, vegetarian, mediterranean, etc.. I suspect there is no consistent finding. What do you think?
@@johnc.8298 Well, the body allegedly starts to seriously lose grip of its DNA after 55 years, and that increases the risk of cancer and other diseases. DNA damage can accumulate with age and lead either to loss of cells, or, in surviving cells, loss of gene expression. In other words, we're born to die regardless of what "healthy" diet we're on.
@@torgeirmolaug196 Yes, of course! In addition to this, I've been reading lately about "cellular senescence" and the build up of "gunk" in cells turning cells into "zombie" cells which are basically useless and "poison" other cells around them yet refuse to die (apoptosis). Eventually the entire organism is compromised.
What on earth at all has given you the impression I'm in an echo chamber? I was just commenting on the fact that Joe had a guest on that just completely echoed his own opinions - literally the definition of an echo chamber. Don't get so defensive and project onto me
Broccoli, wild salmon, avocado, broccoli sprouts, blueberries, apples, raspberries, porridge oats, eggs, Kale, onions, pomegranate, there the 12 best foods on the planet. Also Manuka honey is very good for you.
That's a great list but I would drop kale from the list. The nutrients that it does contain are so tightly bound up with anti-nutrients that your body can't assimilate much of it and they pass right on thru you. Coconuts could be added to the list in Kale's place however.
pretty sure vegan diets highly prevents cancer and heart attacks lmao, (this coming from a dude who rarely ears veggies btw) i love my meat, but this is common sense, its way healthier to eat more veggies than meat in your diet, not sure about just eating of meat only tho but it doesn't sound so healthy
Satan He was pointing out, vegans get as much cancer as a meat eater, and meat eater I mean someone who eats game meat, and healthy meats(non-gmo, grass feed), even though I don't eat those, only game meat.
i hate to break this to you mate but veggies have a higher contrast of cancer preventing affects, proven much more than any type of meat does gmo or not. And meats do contribute for heart problems from cholesterol and other things more so than veggies do..obviously veggie eaters will have way cleaner arteries..im not saying just eat veggies but im saying to mix it up and eat more veggies than meat is proven to be much more healthy, also the guy sounded like he was going based of a study for one guy which was odd
pyrobotnik What the fuck, that makes no sense...ur last comment said he's taking a dirt nap, then I said, the room temperature challenge...u made zero sense with ur last comment...r u trying to say I'm a vegan, and I'm a kid?
They say the same thing about sat as sugar. People are afraid of the things they most need. Not a coincidence, pretty sad to see people being taken advantage of and dying as a result.
Question my friend eats big amounts of meat but he blends it in nutrubullet cause he swears it increases the effectiveness and maximizes protein effectiveness
I've read that the body is so efficient at assimilating animal products since they're so similar to our own bodies, that there's not much left to be eliminated and when they do, it's very easy.
Also, us meat eater don't just eat meat, u have greens with that, especially from my garden, carrots, beets, tomatoes, etc...he is pointing out he only eats meat for his protein, and yes that's majority of ur meals, but u still eat vegetables...9 oz elk steak, 1 cup of beets, half cup of carrots...something like that
You cant take a cholesterol test everday because u need to fast for 12 hours before hand. If ur eating before taking the test itll vary wildly based on what u ate and how much that day.
It would be interesting to fast for the required time and then take blood draws every two hours and graph the corresponding cholesterol readings during the next twelve hours.
18% isn’t a big jump.. hmm 🤔 its always good to listen to somebody that seems off to see if they sound stupid.. and right around 13:00 I here some stupid bullshit about rats :)
His explanation was correct. 5 in a million compared to 6 in a million is a relative difference of 16.6%. Does it really look like a big change to you?
as long as you are eating the correct versions of your food group you should be fine chemically treated and modified vegetables are worse than organic meats and the reverse also applies you need both, it’s just about balance
You would certainly think that but I keep thinking about what "we" ate during all those millennia while our bodies were adapting. If it's true that we ate meat most of the year and only plant items when they were in season during late summer, then perhaps "seasonality" matters and we maybe shouldn't be eating plant foods when they're out of season. Transporting foods from Chile during our winter may not be "natural" for our bodies and we haven't had enough millennia to adapt to this "new" diet strategy.
eating human flesh will make you stronger than eating animal meat because its got the highest quality protein. it builds polypeptide chains faster , but you dont want to eat humans. so, people eat animals instead. what this guy doesnt talk about is RDA for protein is 0.8 g per kilogram body, unless your working out it can up to 1.8. maybe 120g if protein at max daily. 2 tbone steaks = 125g of protein. overconsumption of protein turns to fat. adipose tissue , triglycerides. 10% of daily caloric intake should come from saturated fats, yet this guy is like " i eat 2 steaks for breakfast, but sound like he has horsed voice. You want to interview a real scientist check out Dr. colin campbell.
Eating human flesh will literally mess with your brain. Thats how cows have had Mad Cow Disease. Because they ate their own kind. And in Africa their is a tribe who eat their dead elders and they start to turn insane due to them eating human flesh. Nice try though trying to sound smart
@@Cesar-ii1of I think you are referring to kuru disease. This neurodegenerative disease happens due to eating human brain specifically. Not flesh from what i understand.
lol, yes I agree. It certainly limits a person's food choices that's for sure. I'm noticing the same thing trying to avoid oxalate foods which have been giving me very painful kidney stones. No more chocolate, :/
@@johnc.8298 so mentally ill that you guys eat food for dopamine and not to thrive or survive whole humanity is cucked dawg wtf is wrong with people muuuuh bland food muuh dude i crave the next day i get to eat meat every single day
You haven't really looked. Ref: Carnivore Diet recipes
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Sorry but in this question Joe is really dumb, he is narrowminded and this is one of the reasons where you can see he isn't as "open minded" as he wants us to belive he is.
Rogans doing the same thing as the vegans he criticises, reinforcing the science that correlates with his beliefs while disregarding that which contradicts them
Showing how a study is flawed doesn’t prove your point. The best conclusion these guys can come to is “i don’t know.” One thing we do know is that vegetables are good for you and we are omnivores. Reaching further than those simple knowns is for monetary gain.
Physiologically we are omnivores but you must be careful which plant foods you eat. The majority of plants will kill you and the rest can give you health issues including, in my case, kidney stones. I'm beginning to discover I should be increasing my intake of animal products and being very selective of which plant foods to eat.
@@kevingatebridge3656 I spend a good deal of time reading and researching health/nutrition hacks and during the last few weeks am slowly coming to the conclusion that plants are both good and bad. Plants, like all living things are here to live, survive, and reproduce for their own purposes not ours. As such, everything they do is to further their purpose. It so happens that many of the plant chemicals they manufacture are beneficial to us (polyphenols, proteins, ALA, etc.) but many of them (oxalates, lectins, etc.) are not. An additional complicating factor is that some of the plants we eat actually bind some of the nutrients we get from other foods and as such are no longer bioavailable for us. These are "anti-nutrients". Is eating plants a "cost-benefit" analysis we must consider? I believe we have to take the bad with the good to whatever degree our bodies can manage. In my case I must avoid oxalates as mentioned above. Recently I've come to the conclusion that consuming the good from the plants and discarding the bad is the way to go. How? It's costly but I'm trying to discover which supplements and the right balance I should be consuming. I've increased my meat and supplement intake and being very selective about which plant foods I'm eating. I'm in the initial stages and I could be wrong, but I'm hopeful I'm on the right track.
@@kevingatebridge3656 any "regurgitated" information is clearly false right? I mean, if you hear something and repeat it it can't be true because you didn't originate it. And for your 2nd question; No scientist has ever studied vegetables affects on humans. It hasn't even been considered.
This is stupid. Everyone who knows a thing or two about the relevant scientific literature knows that your cholesterol goes up and down through out the day. For example, right after you eat a bucket of KFC your cholesterol will be much higher, than if you wait a couple hours after eating that same bucket of KFC. This guy references anecdotal evidence as fact
Yo Hann In your brain and nerve tissue, CHOLESTEROL is required for the formation of the myelin sheath, a fatty material that surrounds long portions of nerve fibers. Myelin insulates nerve cells and enhances the passing of electrical signals throughout your nervous system's circuitry.
@adam Cholesterol can be synthesized quite easily by the body. Our bodies do not need to ingest one ounce of it. The body makes 75% of the cholesterol we need. Everything else can be synthesized from the proteins and fats we ingest. If not you can consume SMALL amounts of cholesterol if needed as it’s important for health, but too much is absolutely not good for you. Same idea with iron, salt, protein etc.
@@06wrxRAR I’m glad to hear that and I genuinely hope it stays that way. For many, at some point, the benefits they saw turn to detriments, especially without heavy supplementation and side effect experience. I wish you the best, and while I hope you do not experience deterioration, at least you know about how to reverse it (low carb, animal based). Btw, “always chilling;” are you always calm, or cool/cold?
Joe is biased against veganism because he enjoys hunting. It's one of his biggest hobbies, and obviously he doesn't appreciate when people challenge him on it. I understand. I was raised a hunter my whole life. Been vegan for 5 months now. Joe needs to man up and admit that veganism is ethically superior based on logic, and nutritionally superior based on science.
Awesome work man. I've been plant based for over a year now, never ever touching meat & dairy again. Can't believe I'm stronger than I've ever been in my entire life. Shawn Baker sure does spout a load of fallacies in this video, probably kill a few people who watch this too.
Karl Hosking Yup. I used to be 200 pound meat eater, benched 225 for 7, cut as a meat eater to 160 lbs, but I couldn't even unrack 225. Now I'm about 170, vegan, and I can hit 225 for 7 again and it's much more impressive.
I'm running again for the first time in years. My body was able to heal a long term knee injury and put on muscle again all thanks to going Plant Based. As I've started exercising a LOT I've been checking my bloods every 3 months (unlike this friggin' idiot interviewee) and in doing so I found my ferritin to be very low and thus have been able to address it. Massive high-five to your efforts!
Any diet is better than the "standard American diet". Did she also stop Junk food, alcohol, and putting other garbage "food" into her mouth? Did she receive medical treatment as well?
Actually he is a real doctor, complete with medical degree from an accredited university, has performed years of surgical operations, etc. Losing accreditation can occur for various reasons but it doesn't void your MD knowledge and skills that accredited you in the first place. They can take away his "license" but they can't take away that MD degree or his diploma.
@@johnc.8298 he actually temporarily surrendered his license during the investigation and then it was returned to him after he was cleared. Dr Baker is, still, Doctor Baker.
One thing I noticed, these guys seems generally nicer and more chill than the aggressive vegan docs/promoters
Yeap. Essentially starving yourself makes people hangryyyy
I noticed that, too…they aren’t trying to con anybody…they genuinely want to help people.
@@tbrown15 With the vegans alot of it stems from their compassion for animals. It's not about how you eat that bothers them. If I wanted to live off plaster board and roof iron they wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Its that they think because they morally have a problem with farming animals that we somehow just don't get it. Lack compassion etc.
So they think if only they educate us we will align our view with theirs.
What they don't understand is people are not dense.
Yes.... vegans.... I know where meat comes from. Yes I understand I am not eating a live cow and it was an animal that died.
It is my choice to be okay with that and not be lambasted for having different beliefs to you.
If they want to eat that way go for it. If they want to stop using so much oil.... go for it.
But the extreme ones always seem to think it is their job to forcibly educate others.
I'm a carnivore and if people want to ask more I gladly tell them. But I'm not going to be on some moral high ground over it. They can kill all the vegetables and nuts they like I couldn't care less. Lol
I noticed the same thing. Like they’re more stable they don’t get all worked up as easily
As I vegan I found this guy very interesting and thought provoking. Respect to you man
Almost all his info is all either bias, cherry picked, half true, or flat out wrong.
@@Frank-it9kl mane Stfu most of what he say is true vegans love to give half true studies
@@Frank-it9kl Ofc it is. Its Rogans show
Same goes with vegan diets both side can talk about pros and cons.
@@balazshajdu3018 Whats bad about being vegan ?
Rogan is a great interviewer.
The interviewer is a great Rogan too
Lewis and Clark's crew ate meat almost exclusively during their 2 year journey. Even when they got to Pacific Northwest and fish were abundant they bartered for dog instead. The only member to die during the expedition probably had appendicitis.
Shawn has flawless skin.
Who edits this? Its uploaded from a podcast thats live literally right now lol
brandon sydney Poweful Jamie thats who.. how dare u
Jamie tries to upload before other people do it. I think it is a good strategy.
Andreas Lopez Truuuuuuuuu!
Andreas Lopez If Jamie was smart he'd report those that upload JRE clips. Maybe he'd get a raise for doing it.
Yancey Crase Dont you think thats a waste of time?
Shawn Baker's voice sounds a little raspy. Must be them Cuban cigars he smokes after putting away 4 lbs. of meat lol
Jim Aragon Yeah. He's enjoying himself though.
He is 51
He does alot of speaking is why nip doubt, that old man that does the covid updates has super raspy voice. On a positive note singers that have that raspy voice make a boat load of money!!! So grab a 🎤!!
Dude look like a Turaninoanus
The sad part is he could just eat broccoli and that heals your throat from smoking
Be nice to also have Ken Berry on jre
Or Sten Ekberg
Joe is 50??! He looks 40 at most!!
Get Vegan Gains on to debate! Now that would be fun to watch!
Vegan Gains is a psychopath. Joe by whatever he wants.
Matas Cibirka No it wouldn't lol he would make up a bunch of bullshit vegan facts
Screw vegan gains. Go Michael Gregor
I was insinuating that they would get into a fight and Gains would get wrecked.
Jason Blaha Master of Douchebaggery Bullshit, facts, pick one.
yeah but the biggest reason cancer was less common in the ancient world is that they were terrible at diagnosing the disease.
Minnesota Fatz
What are you talking about? People died back in the day from witches cursing people. Everyone from the 1700's knows that. Ain't no cancer around these parts.
This should have way more likes lol.
Perhaps so in the "ancient" world but cancer was well diagnosed and described by physicians in the 1800's. The rates have been rapidly increasing since early 1900's. There's a strong correlation between increasing cancer rates and the introduction of fake fats (crisco). In 1900 the rate of cancer was about 2 per 100.
@@johnc.8298 What people eat back in early 1900s and what was the life expectancy?
Clearly cancer rates increased when life expectancy and smoking rates increased.
In 1980, the average age a person get diagnosed with cancer in USA was 67 years old.
@@carlosurquia2128 Life expectancy and life span are not interchangeable. Life expectancy is the average age at death of all deaths recorded vs. maximum ages at death (span). The lower life expectancy of earlier eras is due to a skewing of deaths from childhood diseases, mothers dying during childbirth, and other diseases which brought down the statistical average. I've read that if a person survived beyond their teen years most would live to a ripe old age. My Great, Great, Great grandmother Lucy lived to be 89. Her daughter Eliza, ( my g, g, grandmother) lived to be 36. Altho' the tombstone didn't say, I suspect from childbirth. Regards, J.
when it comes to health and diet the number of variables in play is ludicrous to the point where statistical data becomes unreliable, as evidenced by all the currently existent studies that contradict each other. The idea that in that environment so many people consider themselves experts in the field or at least highly knowledgeable I find to be equally suspect.
Shawn is not dogmatic about it like Paul is more dogmatic. Paul is like must be grass fed, grass finished. I like Shawn more than Paul
@mas-udal-hassan9277he's talking about Paul Saladino
Organ meat is suppose to be the best meat for you. But it's got such a bad stigma in the u.s. that not many eat it. Saw a study that showed that it was more nutritious than fruit in a lot of cases. The study focused on the Inuit and how healthy they were with meat diets. Too bad nobody can afford to eat grass fed,free range, all organic meat like this guy tho so there really isn't any tale always here for the average Joe.
Actually it's MUCH more nutritious than fruit. Much of the nutrients in fruit are bound up in "anti-nutrients" and as such cannot be assimilated by our body. Animal flesh is much like our own and when we eat it, it is fully bioavailable. There isn't much vitamin c in meat but our body can utilize all of it. Carnivores apparently don't get scurvy for this reason.
just eat eggs,ground beef,salt and butter. eat once a day.
its very affordable
There is a butcher in my town who sells exclusively grass fed pasture raised beef, including all organs. I buy beef liver from him at $7 a pound. I typically eat eggs or Greek yogurt/blueberries for breakfast and 1-2 steaks for dinner. It’s about as expensive as my grocery list used to be before I started low carb/high fat
@@jklacker1 So your carnivore with a blueberry acception? Why? Just curious.
4 lbs isn’t that much when you think about it. My 95 lb raw fed dog with a super high metabolism eats 3 lbs per day. 4 lbs for a 200 + lb guy is really very little.
Humans are not dogs.
@@KFrost-fx7dt that’s my point, people need far fewer calories. Pretty interesting I think.
@@dognerd7385 4 lbs is a lot of meat
@@t-rozbenouameur5304a lot in what context?
@TrackedHiker well maybe not if you're a 6' 5" athlete,, but for the average human that's A LOT of calories
I'm on the "see food" diet
Unfortunately most people aren't going to be able to afford the kind of meat thats actually healthy (or have the background in hunting to get it) so saying that it's okay to eat nothing but meat all day is downright irresponsible.
I hope English isn't your first language.
12brichards what's wrong with his english? It's perfect.
Looks like the guy I was replying to deleted the post. It was tough to read.
because the dude is talking about people eating meat from a different era. meat from animals that ate natural food.
today, our meat (cows, chickens, etc.) are fed corn, walk around in their own shit, etc. this makes the meat very unhealthy. he doesn't talk about this at all
Survival of the fittest
Why didn't this episode get aired after the live show?
Never mind...looks like Young Jamie is editing it.
So, they know how to give rats cancer...but no one's got a cure?
Well what we do with cancer is either cut it out if you catch it early, burn it through radiation or poison it through chemotherapy. In the cutting case, then yeah it's just as "simple" as injecting cancer into rats, almost at least.
Rats are genetically predisposed to a high incidence of tumors and cancers, so it's not hard to induce tumors in them.
Get John Rose on your show. Interesting perspective on everything, including plant based diets. The man is 62 and has the physique of a twenty-five year old.
My total cholesterol is sometimes as high as 225 but thats because my HDL is always over 110. High fat/Moderate protein/Low carbs (over 10 cups of salad and vegetables to scrub my intestines clean)
FYI there is no such thing as scrubbing your intestines clean. Plants don’t do what you think they do.
@@TrackedHiker Eating dark, leafy greens cleanses your colon. Fat-soluble chlorophyll adheres to the lining of the intestinal wall and retards bacterial growth, removes putrefied bacteria from the colon, and helps heal the mucus lining of the gastrointestinal tract. Chlorophyll can provide sustenance to beneficial microorganisms in the gut. Prebiotics are nondigestible fibres that promote the growth and activity of beneficial bacteria. They support gut health by 'pushing' out harmful bacteria and encouraging the synthesis of helpful chemicals
It does if the meat in question is processed, it's been a known carcinogen since 2015.
Its common for carnivores to have cancer. There body's deal with it. Just as us. Cancer is common more than we realize and our body's take care of it.
Lmk when you’re done making an echo-chamber for yourself Joe.
Like he has not had vegans on before
zbLoodlust087 you would prefer Joe provide you your version of an echo chamber?
fact is the overwhelming majority of doctorate nutritionists and cardiologist support a plant based diet which is suitable for all ages. I'm not even on a 100% plant based diet myself currently but i was not too long ago for a prolonged amount of time and converted based on almost indisputable evidence showing the decline and recession of chronic diseases which are have the highest mortality rates in the US. I'm making a decision with my own health, if you don't care that's cool but saying that a plant based diet isn't better for you is almost laughable these days with the amount of supporting evidence.
zbLoodlust087 meat based heals autoimmune disease.
Does reading this comment section cause cancer?
surprisingly sane people down here actually, most of em are calling bs
JOE IS 50 YEARS OLD HOLY SHIT???? I thought he was like 40 max
thats cuz hes not vegan
lord of ricks - and the HGH too
Let us wait if he gets colon cancer after eating a lot of meat.
But i highly doubt it
If it doesn't cause colon cancer or heart attack, what does humans on a carnivore diet eventually die from?
"old age".
@@johnc.8298 Nobody ever actually dies of ‘old age.’ There are always other pre-existing diseases-or new diseases-that cause the deaths in question.
@@torgeirmolaug196 A very interesting question you pose. It has me wondering what people of various lifestyles and diets die of whether it be the S.A.D., carnivore, vegan, vegetarian, mediterranean, etc.. I suspect there is no consistent finding. What do you think?
@@johnc.8298 Well, the body allegedly starts to seriously lose grip of its DNA after 55 years, and that increases the risk of cancer and other diseases. DNA damage can accumulate with age and lead either to loss of cells, or, in surviving cells, loss of gene expression. In other words, we're born to die regardless of what "healthy" diet we're on.
@@torgeirmolaug196 Yes, of course! In addition to this, I've been reading lately about "cellular senescence" and the build up of "gunk" in cells turning cells into "zombie" cells which are basically useless and "poison" other cells around them yet refuse to die (apoptosis). Eventually the entire organism is compromised.
Nice echo chamber?
AntonMCR you would prefer him to tune into your echo chamber?
What on earth at all has given you the impression I'm in an echo chamber? I was just commenting on the fact that Joe had a guest on that just completely echoed his own opinions - literally the definition of an echo chamber. Don't get so defensive and project onto me
that was extrememly hilarious, must have taken a while to think of
This guy must be constantly constipated from lack of fibre.
A lack of fiber leads to diarrhea. It's an excess of fiber which gives people constipation.
Incognito source?
Source: Common damn knowledge lol
RedRagedRooster Common knowledge is actually the opposite.
I haven't have a whole veggie in 3 years. I've been fine
the talk fucking starts at like 9:00
I'm about to get a steak sandwhich!
Heart disease FTW! 😂
Ivor Cummins is Irish, not Australian.
"sehctib kaerf pu stahw"
Broccoli, wild salmon, avocado, broccoli sprouts, blueberries, apples, raspberries, porridge oats, eggs, Kale, onions, pomegranate, there the 12 best foods on the planet. Also Manuka honey is very good for you.
and they're tasty af
Organ meat entered the chat
That's a great list but I would drop kale from the list. The nutrients that it does contain are so tightly bound up with anti-nutrients that your body can't assimilate much of it and they pass right on thru you. Coconuts could be added to the list in Kale's place however.
One word: oxalate
is this the guy who played Bane? jesus christ
Don't knock Cheeseburgers, Joe.
look for Woo&Pep diet website service to learn how to do diet rightly.
Joe, bring in Prof Bart Kay
pretty sure vegan diets highly prevents cancer and heart attacks lmao, (this coming from a dude who rarely ears veggies btw) i love my meat, but this is common sense, its way healthier to eat more veggies than meat in your diet, not sure about just eating of meat only tho but it doesn't sound so healthy
Satan
He was pointing out, vegans get as much cancer as a meat eater, and meat eater I mean someone who eats game meat, and healthy meats(non-gmo, grass feed), even though I don't eat those, only game meat.
i hate to break this to you mate but veggies have a higher contrast of cancer preventing affects, proven much more than any type of meat does gmo or not. And meats do contribute for heart problems from cholesterol and other things more so than veggies do..obviously veggie eaters will have way cleaner arteries..im not saying just eat veggies but im saying to mix it up and eat more veggies than meat is proven to be much more healthy, also the guy sounded like he was going based of a study for one guy which was odd
Wise words from Satan.
pyrobotnik
Room temperature challenge
pyrobotnik
What the fuck, that makes no sense...ur last comment said he's taking a dirt nap, then I said, the room temperature challenge...u made zero sense with ur last comment...r u trying to say I'm a vegan, and I'm a kid?
They say the same thing about sat as sugar. People are afraid of the things they most need. Not a coincidence, pretty sad to see people being taken advantage of and dying as a result.
Question my friend eats big amounts of meat but he blends it in nutrubullet cause he swears it increases the effectiveness and maximizes protein effectiveness
That is not a question.
And that’s also disgusting
Joe gave a pretty sus look to Jamie when he said his friend sometimes eats "something else."
The f*ck does he eat!?
Joe "Carnivore Diet" Rogan.
Luffy enhances from meat
i wish i had the discipline to just eat nothing but meat and see what its like. everybody has to be doing cheat meals throughout right?
Yo bro 2lbs of 🍖 that dude just ate his gold tooth
No fiber? Bet he has no fun pooping.
I've read that the body is so efficient at assimilating animal products since they're so similar to our own bodies, that there's not much left to be eliminated and when they do, it's very easy.
I AM on a carnivore diet and i poop easily every single day, it's amazing what the body can do when given the chance to heal through food
I thought that eating nothing but meat would eventually give you scurvy.
Nope, it only would if it's cured meat. Fresh meat reverses scurvy.
Also, us meat eater don't just eat meat, u have greens with that, especially from my garden, carrots, beets, tomatoes, etc...he is pointing out he only eats meat for his protein, and yes that's majority of ur meals, but u still eat vegetables...9 oz elk steak, 1 cup of beets, half cup of carrots...something like that
@@joeschmo247 carnivores do not eat vegetables, or only very little amount. Some eat fruits.
You cant take a cholesterol test everday because u need to fast for 12 hours before hand. If ur eating before taking the test itll vary wildly based on what u ate and how much that day.
It would be interesting to fast for the required time and then take blood draws every two hours and graph the corresponding cholesterol readings during the next twelve hours.
Raw Hedgehog Diet
This show is steadily morphing into Alex Jones.
X pay attention much? Sounds like you don't listen much to either show.
That sounds like a kitchy "sound bite" but how so?
Minister Enqi *Eat right for your haplotype*
18% isn’t a big jump.. hmm 🤔 its always good to listen to somebody that seems off to see if they sound stupid.. and right around 13:00 I here some stupid bullshit about rats :)
His explanation was correct. 5 in a million compared to 6 in a million is a relative difference of 16.6%. Does it really look like a big change to you?
as long as you are eating the correct versions of your food group you should be fine
chemically treated and modified vegetables are worse than organic meats and the reverse also applies
you need both, it’s just about balance
My cholesterol is 160
Thanks for the information
Ts 2024. I'm healing my cancer with ketovore.
Watch "Forks over Knives"
A documentary full of lies! Yeah no thanks
@@cedricmayfield7058 Beware of 'big lettuce's influence over the media.
I’d rather not be shilled the vegan lie for a whole film, thanks!
@@ZacksRockingLifestyle Maybe try Merchant of Doubt, then.
@@ZacksRockingLifestyle It's whole food plant-based, not vegan.
Red meat give me gout all the time and that shit is not fun
Sure it wasn't from alcohol?
Thumb meets thumb with hangnail
O c'mon.. Everybody knows it can't be healthy eat only one thing. No matter if that's meat or blueberries or salad...
You would certainly think that but I keep thinking about what "we" ate during all those millennia while our bodies were adapting. If it's true that we ate meat most of the year and only plant items when they were in season during late summer, then perhaps "seasonality" matters and we maybe shouldn't be eating plant foods when they're out of season. Transporting foods from Chile during our winter may not be "natural" for our bodies and we haven't had enough millennia to adapt to this "new" diet strategy.
eating human flesh will make you stronger than eating animal meat because its got the highest quality protein. it builds polypeptide chains faster , but you dont want to eat humans. so, people eat animals instead. what this guy doesnt talk about is RDA for protein is 0.8 g per kilogram body, unless your working out it can up to 1.8. maybe 120g if protein at max daily. 2 tbone steaks = 125g of protein. overconsumption of protein turns to fat. adipose tissue , triglycerides. 10% of daily caloric intake should come from saturated fats, yet this guy is like " i eat 2 steaks for breakfast, but sound like he has horsed voice. You want to interview a real scientist check out Dr. colin campbell.
Eating human flesh will literally mess with your brain. Thats how cows have had Mad Cow Disease. Because they ate their own kind. And in Africa their is a tribe who eat their dead elders and they start to turn insane due to them eating human flesh. Nice try though trying to sound smart
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
Yeah that's great info dude. The cemetery industry is suppressing the truth. All that good food is going to waste!
Dr Colin Campbell? The guy who cherry picked data for "The China Study"? Sure a "real" scientist...
@@Cesar-ii1of I think you are referring to kuru disease. This neurodegenerative disease happens due to eating human brain specifically. Not flesh from what i understand.
Acne...steroids!!
This guy has a long neck
If you have an unrelenting desire to eat your pet, you might be a true carnivore.
If my pet was a steer you'd be right on the money.
Definitely doesnt help
6 in a million is nothing UNTIL your 1 of the 6. Then it feels like everything.
If you visit a slaughter house and get a sudden craving for raw steak, you might be a carnivore.
If either of these dudes visited a slaughterhouse they'd puke their guts out.
@@KFrost-fx7dt lmfao, keep up with that vegan bs
@@ZacksRockingLifestyle I'm not a vegan, head-ass. I'm just pointing out how ignorant people are about the meat process.
I remember going to one when I was a kid, and something about it put me off meat for a long time.
all health stuff aside, a meat only diet would be boring as hell
lol, yes I agree. It certainly limits a person's food choices that's for sure. I'm noticing the same thing trying to avoid oxalate foods which have been giving me very painful kidney stones. No more chocolate, :/
@@johnc.8298 so mentally ill that you guys eat food for dopamine and not to thrive or survive whole humanity is cucked dawg wtf is wrong with people
muuuuh bland food muuh
dude i crave the next day i get to eat meat every single day
You haven't really looked.
Ref: Carnivore Diet recipes
Sorry but in this question Joe is really dumb, he is narrowminded and this is one of the reasons where you can see he isn't as "open minded" as he wants us to belive he is.
Rogans doing the same thing as the vegans he criticises, reinforcing the science that correlates with his beliefs while disregarding that which contradicts them
But it causes very delicious cancer
Showing how a study is flawed doesn’t prove your point. The best conclusion these guys can come to is “i don’t know.” One thing we do know is that vegetables are good for you and we are omnivores. Reaching further than those simple knowns is for monetary gain.
go back to troll school. you'll need better than that.
Physiologically we are omnivores but you must be careful which plant foods you eat. The majority of plants will kill you and the rest can give you health issues including, in my case, kidney stones. I'm beginning to discover I should be increasing my intake of animal products and being very selective of which plant foods to eat.
How do u know veges are good?.. Ur regurgitating, do u have actual scientific proof?
@@kevingatebridge3656 I spend a good deal of time reading and researching health/nutrition hacks and during the last few weeks am slowly coming to the conclusion that plants are both good and bad. Plants, like all living things are here to live, survive, and reproduce for their own purposes not ours. As such, everything they do is to further their purpose. It so happens that many of the plant chemicals they manufacture are beneficial to us (polyphenols, proteins, ALA, etc.) but many of them (oxalates, lectins, etc.) are not. An additional complicating factor is that some of the plants we eat actually bind some of the nutrients we get from other foods and as such are no longer bioavailable for us. These are "anti-nutrients". Is eating plants a "cost-benefit" analysis we must consider? I believe we have to take the bad with the good to whatever degree our bodies can manage. In my case I must avoid oxalates as mentioned above.
Recently I've come to the conclusion that consuming the good from the plants and discarding the bad is the way to go. How? It's costly but I'm trying to discover which supplements and the right balance I should be consuming. I've increased my meat and supplement intake and being very selective about which plant foods I'm eating. I'm in the initial stages and I could be wrong, but I'm hopeful I'm on the right track.
@@kevingatebridge3656 any "regurgitated" information is clearly false right? I mean, if you hear something and repeat it it can't be true because you didn't originate it. And for your 2nd question; No scientist has ever studied vegetables affects on humans. It hasn't even been considered.
I cant understand this guy, way too much mumbling
You maybe need the EQ adjusted on your hearing aid.
This is stupid. Everyone who knows a thing or two about the relevant scientific literature knows that your cholesterol goes up and down through out the day. For example, right after you eat a bucket of KFC your cholesterol will be much higher, than if you wait a couple hours after eating that same bucket of KFC. This guy references anecdotal evidence as fact
His voice is horrible
getting the protein and nutrients from plants is way better than getting protein from eggs for example because they have cholesterol
BeenPWNED False
What exactly do you think you know about cholesterol?
dietary cholesterol is bullshit. No harm at all.
Yo Hann In your brain and nerve tissue, CHOLESTEROL is required for the formation of the myelin sheath, a fatty material that surrounds long portions of nerve fibers. Myelin insulates nerve cells and enhances the passing of electrical signals throughout your nervous system's circuitry.
@adam
Cholesterol can be synthesized quite easily by the body. Our bodies do not need to ingest one ounce of it. The body makes 75% of the cholesterol we need. Everything else can be synthesized from the proteins and fats we ingest. If not you can consume SMALL amounts of cholesterol if needed as it’s important for health, but too much is absolutely not good for you. Same idea with iron, salt, protein etc.
been vegan/vegeterian for 3 yrs now, no ill effects, always chilling. no flu no fever, faster healing anywhere in body. good things take time to work.
Lol you’ll start deteriorating sooner or later trust me!
Oooh, you must be getting towards the seven-year mark! How’s your deterioration?
@@ZacksRockingLifestyle still doing great.
@@06wrxRAR I’m glad to hear that and I genuinely hope it stays that way. For many, at some point, the benefits they saw turn to detriments, especially without heavy supplementation and side effect experience. I wish you the best, and while I hope you do not experience deterioration, at least you know about how to reverse it (low carb, animal based).
Btw, “always chilling;” are you always calm, or cool/cold?
Cope
This was a waste of time
If you can't drive past road kill without stopping for a bite, you might be a true carnivore.
Naw, you just country as hell.
That would be a scavenger.
Meat diets still need Fiber.
No
@@kevingatebridge3656 😂 see you in the ER. I’ll be the nurse giving you your poop medicine.
Joe is biased against veganism because he enjoys hunting. It's one of his biggest hobbies, and obviously he doesn't appreciate when people challenge him on it. I understand. I was raised a hunter my whole life. Been vegan for 5 months now. Joe needs to man up and admit that veganism is ethically superior based on logic, and nutritionally superior based on science.
man nutrition is a problem with that diet. you cant say "be honest" with a comment like that. its just funny
Adam Craig What a constructive, compelling argument! I didn't realize I could be considered a kid at 20 years of age!
Awesome work man. I've been plant based for over a year now, never ever touching meat & dairy again. Can't believe I'm stronger than I've ever been in my entire life. Shawn Baker sure does spout a load of fallacies in this video, probably kill a few people who watch this too.
Karl Hosking Yup. I used to be 200 pound meat eater, benched 225 for 7, cut as a meat eater to 160 lbs, but I couldn't even unrack 225. Now I'm about 170, vegan, and I can hit 225 for 7 again and it's much more impressive.
I'm running again for the first time in years. My body was able to heal a long term knee injury and put on muscle again all thanks to going Plant Based. As I've started exercising a LOT I've been checking my bloods every 3 months (unlike this friggin' idiot interviewee) and in doing so I found my ferritin to be very low and thus have been able to address it. Massive high-five to your efforts!
"Plants can cause cancer" then let me know how my my cured her ovarian cancer by going vegetarian this irked my soul af
Any diet is better than the "standard American diet". Did she also stop Junk food, alcohol, and putting other garbage "food" into her mouth? Did she receive medical treatment as well?
Shawn Baker is the type to join a Klan meeting on the weekends.
I guess you would know to be able to assert such a statement.
I can't listen to this guy, he is so boring and you have to wait forever for him to get to the point...
I guess you're not interested in the topic.
This guy isn't even a real doctor.....he lost his license. Joe should really be careful who he has on his show/who he refers to them as (doctor)
Actually he is a real doctor, complete with medical degree from an accredited university, has performed years of surgical operations, etc. Losing accreditation can occur for various reasons but it doesn't void your MD knowledge and skills that accredited you in the first place. They can take away his "license" but they can't take away that MD degree or his diploma.
@@johnc.8298 he actually temporarily surrendered his license during the investigation and then it was returned to him after he was cleared. Dr Baker is, still, Doctor Baker.