She's wise, not courageous or powerful. Using magic to manipulate the world makes perfect sense for her. Not using a sword as a default weapon also makes sense because she's never used a sword before. _"Buh whuddabou-"_ Stop. She _held_ a sword in Twilight Princess before she gulped in terror and dropped it. She's only "used" a sword when possessed, and even then she used it _very poorly._
@Ruleof2Review I don't like it and I'm a massive Zelda fan. I find it insane that we have to scroll through a horizontal line of countless echoes to find the ones we want and then have to build furniture so we can reach new places...if you told me we would be doing this in a Zelda game one day 10 years ago, I would of laughed at you. Do you think this gameplay will be better than normal 2D Zelda gameplay? What you think?
I'm glad they didn't just make Zelda a Link clone. I like that they are trying to have her play in a completely different way. Otherwise I think it would be a disservice to her character otherwise
I agree! I like that they develop Zelda as a character with very different traits than what it is like playing as Link. If they made her play like Link, it would just feel like they went with the disney gender swapping.
Wait what? Aren't We literally shown she plays totally different? Even if those were all the differences, and she 'played like Link' the rest of the time, that would still be overall very different.
lets be real, if Zelda used a sword and shield, more people would be complaining about it being "lazy" and just swapping sprites with Link, giving her a more unique playstyle is a good thing imo. I'm excited for the game
To be honest, this may be a game more faithful to old-school zelda than the recent 3d entries. I can imagine dungeons in this game containing "dungeon echoes" that are used to pick apart its puzzles and tackle the boss. That would be a decent analog to dungeon items. Tri looks like she/he is upgradeable. Meaning you can't make overpowered echoes right from the get go. And there are other possibilities as well to bring back classic ideas in a new way.
@@Nextendoh Its very easy to tell this game has more limitations than TOTK just from the trailer alone. There's a limited number of items that can be placed at once which is a huge limitation. And some items cost more tri shards as well, such as most monsters taking 2 and Redeads/Peahat taking 3.
I don't know why people want Zelda to have a sword or play like Link at all and I don't know why some people propose that she should use a rapier. 1. Having her play completely different from Link allows her to be distinct and not just Girl Link. I think this gives her opportunities for future titles and utilization alongside Link. Zelda games often have a gimmick, and because of the Trirod, Zelda herself is not the gimmick in this game. If she was just Girl Link then the identity of the game would be connected to her gender rather than a prominent item/ability. 2. Rapiers are not a feminine sword nor are they lighter than a broadsword. One handed swords all require a lot of muscle and skill. Zelda has also never been seen with a rapier in the mainline series. TP Zelda was seen with a sword and Tetra had a sword but most Zeldas use magic or the Bow of Light which both TP Zelda and Tetra used as well (ST Zelda uses a sword kind of but it's through possession). Swords aren't really part of her identity as a character, so if she were to be given a weapon, a bow is more her style. 3. The 2D Zelda swordplay is not very complex in the first place. I usually get disappointed when unique items have almost no use outside of their dungeon, so a game that is focussed on an ability besides the sword is very interesting to me. I love the puzzles in Zelda games so a game that focussed on puzzles is definitely something I would like to play.
So Link can cast fire balls, turn into a fairy...or a deku, or a goron, or a zora, manipulate the weather, the time of day, and just time itself but Zelda can't stab someone?
I’m very excited imo Some People want Zelda to use a sword but personally I prefer when Zelda is a cool ninja sheik or a magic user… Otherwise what even is the point of link existing if Zelda functions the same lol. I think link might also be playable late game but I wouldn’t bet on it
I know that Zelda usually fights with a bow in most of her roles. In the trailer where the tri rod is shown in the top left corner there is more room for other items. Maybe she will get a bow in a dungeon later on in the game just like Link would because he would never start with it either.
I think the hesitant and even negative reactions to /assumptions about this game highlights just how superficial many peoples' desires for a "Zelda" game were. If you want to play as Zelda but use the same sword and shield gameplay, you don't want to play as Zelda - you want to play as female Link. A truly Zelda focused game couldn't be anything other than a departure from previous experiences in order to stay true to the character and series history.
I see no point in sword wielding Zelda. As you said, that would be just a reskin. Zelda, a damsel in distress in most of the games, all of a sudden wielding a sword? She's not Samus you know, and there's no need in Link then. And by the way, combat in 2d Zelda games is not deep and is not primary focus of those games. So, this is fresh, this is new. I'm on board!
I agree. But zelda has shwon she can defend herself with ninja skills, magic, and swords every so often. This doesnt feel like zelda for me. It feels like and Cont C + Cont V nechanic they came up with a new ip but decided to add zelda to sell more copies
So earlier this year i played the gameboy games, and I've been kinda craving a modern 2D Zelda. It's different from what I was expecting, but I'm still very much looking forward to it
Many people are concerned or skeptic about Zelda EoW probably because they have had enough of the conventions-breaking, experimental gameplay approach seen in the Of the Wild games and instead they are craving the classic, unadulterated traditional Zelda gameplay of old now more than ever. I can understand the sentiment, but I want to think that making a Zelda-centered game where she plays different than Link will open up the possibility to have some level of dual gameplay in future mainline titles. Imagine a game where we play as either character, or both of them in different sections of the game, and get to experience different angles of the same story sort of like in the Oracle games. That would definitely be sick
I would not want to go back to the linear, caged up Gameplay of the older games anymore really. Everyone's gameplay experience would be near exactly the same, which is so wooden. They were fun for a time but now it's just jarring being forced down a dressed up corridor in this post-Modern gaming era.
Rewatching Aonuma's commentary on it, I find it interesting that he calls it the "echo ability", just like he referred to the different abilities of TOTK. It makes me feel like there is going to be at least one other unique mechanic/ability that Zelda will do totally differently.
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I'm an old school Zelda fan but I really love the path these new games have taken with their mechanics. The only problem I had with Tears of the Kingdom was the fact that too much of the content was following the same pattern . Too many shrines, mining outposts in the depths etc. The mechanics themselves were the best ever. I just think they need to focus on balancing out the crazy mechanics with the level of depth and detail in the level design.
I don't get the too many Shrines complaint. There are that many, so that every player will find enough no matter where they go. No one forces you to do all of them. And games also have to run, so you can't just throw anything you want at them.
What kind of Metroid Prime 4 is this? Jk lol, I'm actually super excited for Echoes of Wisdom! It's my most anticipated game of the year along with Mario Party and Assassin's Creed.
The argument that this game has a greater emphasis on magic because Zelda is wisdom and Link is courage is baffling to me. So Link can use several spellbooks worth of crazy magic but Zelda can't stab someone?
when totk was about to come out ppl really wanted zelda to be playable, that would mean making a whole past hyrule for her part of the story. echoes of wisdom seems to me like a compromise of "we dont have the time to do that on the wild engine but we can do a 2d game for zelda to be playable", so I'm expecting some references to totk, and those void things to me seems like a reference to the depths, echoes seem to funcion like the sage companions+autobuild, so yea, the setting will probably also take a lot from that totk era
I don't understand people . They have wanted playable Zelda in a zelda game for a while. Ever since Tears of the Kingdom. Then when Nintendo reveals it, people hate it?
I haven't seen the apparent "hate" anywhere, more the contrary, and thinking about if it will really work with the new gameplay style isn't hate, just thoughts about something we don't know yet and have to try first.
I'm positively stoked about this game, and very few games these days do that for me. I mean first of all it's a new 2d Zelda which is always freaking awesome, and it's the first one in literally forever. Secondly, it's the first Zelda game ever where you play as Zelda, and thirdly and maybe most importantly for me, it's the first time a 2d Zelda will play similar to the new 3d Zelda games. We've never had close to the type of freedom this game is going to allow for in a 2d Zelda game, and that is super exciting to me. I don't want EVERY Zelda game from now on to be so free and open ended in its puzzle solving aspects, but since this is the first time its ever been done in a 2d Zelda game I'm totally down for it! With all of that said, I DO hope that going into the future there will be some more traditional, linear style Zelda games. I just think that after so long a period of time where Zelda had the same formula, Aunuma and Nintendo have gone all in on this new open ended style of play. I think the pendulum will swing back eventually, or better yet, a new synthesis between old and new will be achieved. Time will tell I guess.
Zelda has always been stronger in her magic and light powers than in any hand to hand combat, and I love that they are focusing on that for her game. Being a mage in gameplay looks so fucking cool, I loved that you can summon enemies and hazards like they showed, that's actual combat magic on display and it looked fun af. I can't wait for the game. If they'd just make her fight with a sword and shield then there's no point in making Zelda the protagonist, when Link already does that. It's just weird to me that people love Fantasy settings and then pretend it's not badass if the protag is magic user instead of a swordmaster.
I hope you play Princess Peach Showtime someday, specially if you have nothing to play on the Switch. It is a very solid 8 game, very well made. I know you are jaded from Yoshi Crafted World but I do think it is better and the variety of the transformations and specially the final fight is completely worth for 40-50 dolars if you see it on sale.
It's interesting how, after nearly 4 decades, it's only now that a franchise named Zelda finally gets a game where you play as Zelda (not including possibly the CD-i games).
Games I plan on getting from the direct: * Mario & Luigi * Mario Party * Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom * Metroid Yeah, that's pretty packed for me. Definitely excited about Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom.
You will see people going like "I only want three games from the Direct.", so it's refreshing to see someone want four and treat it like a good amount, because it is.
The copying mechanic seems really cool. Personally I've always loved the puzzle aspect of Zelda games but I also love running around and fighting with a sword, so I'm a bit worried about that too.
Tbh im pretty sure zelda fans wouldnt mind a re skin. We just want the classiz zelda story telling and gameplay. Heck even if you have tingle as the main protagonist
Some people may not like it, but this decision makes the most sense. Zelda is the holder of the triforce of Wisdom, not the Courage and Power. She isn't a female Link. A combat-focused Zelda is more likely going to be in a spin-off game, not a mainline one. If people don't like doing puzzles in their Zelda game, I think I now know one of the reasons why Nintendo isn't inclined to make Zelda as the main protagonist. I also recall an interview where they asked why people like to go back to 2D if the gameplay will be limited compared to an open-world game. I think they challenged themselves with this one to bring Totk elements to 2D to make it more interesting and different.
I just really wish Nintendo would move away from the cartoony look for zelda already. Bring back a new version of lttp wrt style and make it hd 2d or something
Zelda is not a warrior like link because she bears the Triforce of wisdom. That is her gift. So she is using her gifts in this game. It makes sense to me. The only thing I found off from the footage so far is that Hyrule looks exactly the same as it did in a link to the past and a link between worlds. Hopefully it's expanded or there's a dark world.
New Zelda going to be metroidvania / link between worlds style where you have a true open world, but you need to power up and get stronger to progress through out the world. Tri got little triforce pieces for its head-tail thing which acts as your limitation to how many summons you can have out in the world at one time which looks like you upgrade how many triforce pieces follow Tri as you progress in the game and not all summons cost one triforce piece to summon neither. I am a sucker for metroidvania aspects in games and Link Between Worlds is my favourite Zelda.
I was hoping for something like this, honestly. It’s basically a puzzle game, which it has always been one of the key components of the series since the beginning, so it’s not a complete change of direction or a more spinoff-ish experimentation, it’s building on one of the series pillar. Moreover, Zelda is the wisdom of the trio, while Link is the courageous swordsman, so it makes sense for the Zelda starring game to be a wisdom focusing game (hence, “puzzles”). Honestly I would’ve been disappointed in a traditional action game but just with Zelda, as that’s not who she is. Finally, what’s the worst that can happen? They will always do new 2D Zelda games, this can easily became a “third” type of game in the series. Once every 5-6 years we get the new 3D Zelda game, meanwhile we get remakes and new 2D games, some starring Link, some starring Zelda, it’s not an unlikely scenario. Differently, the “ocarina-like” vs botw style is a more understandable fear, as 3D game are more expensive and so the fear is rooted in a very likely scenario. Although, I think the next 3D game will still move to an “in between” of the two style, totk was more an expansion an refinement of botw. In fact with totk we saw some elements were already “going back” to the ocarina formula, while maintaining the botw structure (slightly more coesive narrative, dungeon more in line with the traditional formula that were still “à la botw”, etc).
Imagine turning Metroid, a game about a bounty hunter in space fighting creatures in alien environments into a puzzle game. That is exactly what this pathetic Aonuma did to Zelda. Zelda is a game about exploration, discovery, secrets and action swordplay, but now you’re going to put a bunch of beds/boxes together in the middle of the wilderness to solve puzzles.
I wanted a new 2D Zelda. I'm an 80's kid... but I was worried about a new 2D Zelda game. How do they get past the old light the torches and push the blocks type of puzzles? Well here we go. Play as Zelda and use a stick to spawn things... brilliant. I can't wait.
I'm glad we finally get a new 2D Zelda at all! It's been 11 years already, basically 15 since a completely new one. Having Zelda with different gameplay looks interesting and I'm curious to try it and will hopefully like it. It's good they're trying new ways for Zelda games (though TOTK didn't work for me for different reasons, amazing game though), still I hope they won't abandon the classic style completely...I still wish for a classic 2D Zelda with a new world, new dungeons, new ideas, but that plays in the typical style and also is graphically more of an evolution and not that toon-like. Same with 3D Zeldas, would be kinda sad if we never get another OoT style game...I mean the open world thing already starts to feel old itself to me, they already did so much with it in just two games...the worlds are too huge too, the story rather random, all that freedom makes other parts of the games a bit weaker imo. I hope they streamline it more with the next game and change it up again...TOTK was already way less special because of the same map, a game about exploration shouldn't have me knowing at the start already where everything is.
The problem is that the change of character was done in a raw and unexpected way, if they had done it like in the Mario games where you can choose between Mario, Luigi, Peach and the others people would have accepted it more easily. to finally manage later to make a game completely with Zelda but currently, I'm really having trouble replacing Link, it's as if in a Metroid we suddenly start playing Adam
From the June Direct for me: 1. Zelda 2. MIO (love Ori and this looks very heavily inspired by Ori with a beautiful art style as well) 3. Metroid Prime 4 4. Mario and Luigi (never played series before) 5. Farmagia (get physical, XSEED always does a really, really good job with their physical releases; also brand new IP) 6. Dragon Quest 3 Remake (never played series before) There was no insane moment for me like Fire Emblem Engage or Kirby and the Forgotten Land moment though.
Looking forward to this game. I think it would be cool if Zelda had some sort of telepathic abilities. I think Tri will come from Zelda while she is in the prison area maybe it comes from the triforce on her hand to help her escape
Definitely looking forward to this game!! Looks already more fun to me than both BotW and Totk, even if it is more open and slightly sandbox-ish I think the fact that it's a 2D world and probably not as large of a map means that the puzzles and whatnot will hopefully be more condensed and interesting to interact with/ better designed. I'm also hoping (which it seems like we are) to see some more classic dungeons and boss ideas return!!! My only concern for this game is that the Echo mechanic is the ONLY thing this game has, which I doubt it will be, but I could see that getting pretty stale sorta fast, ESPECIALLY if you have to open a menu EVERY time to select a different Echo constantly!!!
"OK, I'm gonna pass and wait for the next Mario game that I want to play" Zelda fans don't have that option though, now that the top-down games are _also_ adopting the BotW/TotK style. Zelda fans are more or less in the position of SM64/Sunshine/Galaxy fans during the NSMB/3D World era of Mario, or Paper Mario fans post-Sticker Star, or OG Resident Evil fans post-RE4.
No, Link reskinned as Zelda would be a stupid game. Zelda needs to play as a mage and do something Link cannot do, and Link does things Zelda cannot do.
I’m down for this. I don’t want Zelda to use a sword, shield and everything else Link does. Often Zelda uses a bow but Link uses that too. This is very unique. The only thing I don’t like is the chibi art style. But I’ll still enjoy it.
I don’t think every girl character has to be a badass warrior to fit some modern agenda. This concept puts focus on her smarts and wits, her ability to surprise and be clever, which we saw in 64 with Sheik in Ocarina. Looks rad! All for it!
This issue is when girls are pigeonheld into either. I like smarts & wits but it shouldn't be the default just because it's a girl, in thiscase with Zelda it's appopiate though.
Zelda has the triforce of WISDOM, why the heck would she be fighting with sword and board? IF she was fighting at all I would have expected the shadowy ninja style like when she was Sheik. If it was Zelda being an analogue of Link it would have been boring, pointless, and nonsensical.
Im with you that it would actually be borong for the developers to just make a regular game with nothing more than a skin swap of link to zelda. At least for her first main game. Maybe theres room for a future 3d game to have both zelda and link be playable at various points, and the gameplay will be appropriately done for the cobtext of the game.
well you spoke for me and I'll add a touch to that. like you said an action adventure topview game. IF they were to use Zelda as a main, let it be a Zelda/Sheik game. to me it was never NEVER necessary to play as Zelda, maybe in combo in dungeons with Link, but cmon man, this only happened bc a small minority of big nintendo influencers keep hyping this up and of course the comments went with them, so now you have Zelda. they did the exact same with tears of the kingdom, only to me that worked out pretty well. this to me is just not necessary, imagine link having the tri rod AND being able to do simple swordplay, maybe even combine your own attacks with the echoes of captured enemies, that would be awesome. the only think that has me mildly enthusiastic is the world itself. but no I wasn't too happy with the reveal, but cant judge a book by its cover and even its first pages. guess we will see. good vid bro
There is room for this Tri-rod Zelda and a kunai wielding one, like Sheik. Afterall, Sheik Zelda is cannon already. I am not sure if fans just want a Zelda to play “just like link”. But Echoes of Wisdom (while a fun looking puzzling game) really does a disservice to Zelda. Yes, Zelda holds the Power of Wisdom but that doesn’t mean all she can do is use magic. She can use weapons too like the arrow and Sheik uses a magical harp WITH these knives. Nintendo, do better next time. I want a well rounded Zelda. 😂
When i want to buy something i save at least half to sometimes double the amount I'm going to spend so i know that this purchase won't bury me. It may be hard as fuck out here but my family of 5 only makes about 80k a year combined and we live paycheck to paycheck but we have a home we have food, we have a vehicle and bills are always paid. I can't complain because we are comfortable even though its not the most lavish life. Just make sure the important shit is paid for and whatever you have left you can splurge on whatever the fuck you want or save it for a nest egg in case of emergency. Nice shit is just that, it's nice for now but it will get old fast.
I don't really see division over this game, everyone I've seen is pleasantly surprised by it. Zelda kicking ass with a sword would be a huge insult Link, nobody in Hyrule is a warrior like Link, to just say "Link's gone, here's Zelda, take a sword" and have her whooping ass would be the worst, it would diminish Link. The way they're doing it is totally the way to do it. I was so happy when I saw that trailer because Nintendo continues to be Nintendo and make new things that people don't expect, yet enjoy. I really don't care about remakes.
Im just concerned that instead of leaning into a sheik/zelda dynamic instead this comes off like someone pitched a hyrule decorator and they took that and ran
True Zelda game (The Legend of Link) is Zelda is a proper mage the whole time, so not really, but I am getting this day 1 because it looks like Box Boy in 3D.
Who's "we" exactly? I'm quite looking forward to the game and that despite not normally vibing with 2D Zelda. The only one I actually liked so far is ALbW and EoW seems to channel that more than older 2D titles. As for Zelda as a playable character, I wanted a spin-off where she's a magic wielder for a while now. That or tower defence or something that shows her duties as a princess. Making her just a palette swap of Link would be boring, since she's her own character - a princess, proficient in magic and the holder of the Twiforce of Wisdom.
I want a Zelda game. Not a botw or a totk. I Zelda game. This feels like they made a new IP with a Cont C +Cont V mechanic and decided to put zelda on it. Zelda knows how to use magic, ninjutsu, and a sword in some games. So this just feels like another make your own adventure game
Maybe the timing wasn't the best considering how long it's been since the last new 2d zelda but could be they are waiting for Switch two for traditional top down
I wanted a new 2D Zelda game for the first year of Switch 2 because obviously TOTK just released so there wont be a new 3D Zelda so now there wont be any new Zelda game for the first year of Switch 2
Good point. It would’ve been great to see how well a 2D Zelda can sell over the course of an entire generation. But Switch still needs some heavy hitters given its strength so I’m ok with it coming out now.
Isn't Zelda a spellcaster? Why is she co-opting other creature abilities to fight instead of being a kickass spellcaster? That would differentiate her from Link's melee combat.
Why are all the youtubers claiming that everyone wanted to play as zelda? Not that many people ever cared At the end of the day the character is just a sprite so im not super upset about it either I do have to things in particular to gripe about 1 is just a general worry about the whole dei inclusion thing if the emphasis on zelda being a woman is too strong it might overshadow the rest of the game and be too different from the zelda format to be considered a mainline zelda game (no triforce heroes will never be a mainline zelda to me) 2 a lot of the charm of zelda games is the fact that you the player are the link between to the main character (zelda) If you the avatar is separate from rhe main character than that allows for zelda to be much more complex a character as she doesn't have to fit the mold of the avatar. If you play as zelda that is taken away so in a way this is downgrading zelda from the character that drives the story to simply an avatar to be controlled. Think of Gandalf in the lord of the rings he is purposefully kept at arms length to add to his mystique you never really know what his motivations or plans are but you know he is a giant player in the story because of his power he is wisdom just like zelda always uses her wisdom to aid link at just the right time She understands that she is the most important asset in the fight so she never attacks first or rashly that is the heros role -courage
Everyone? No. A big portion of the fan base? Yes. Also, are you really unironically complaining about DEI? That might be your issue then. I guess these days no woman can ever be the protag in her own story without a specific section of the internet throwing a fit.
Get used to this type of surprise because you folks who are so hyped and obsessed with switch 2 will be yet again surprised much like with this Zelda announcement. It will be a different system
Rob's Mind: "Metroid Prime 4: Beyond is going to be the greatest game ever and outsell Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and be over 80 million unit seller." Reality's Mind: "It might hit 5 million units lifetime..." I am getting Metroid Prime 4: Beyond, but it is not going to be the greatest seller of all time and like 90% of its sales probably end up selling in the first month with barely any sales after. Metroid sells the opposite to Fire Emblem, where Fire Emblem has low burst sales, but then continues to slowly sell over multiple years which is why Fire Emblem games always sky rocket in price when Nintendo stops manufacturing them because they sell through word of mouth slowly overtime. Most Nintendo games usually keep selling over multiple years after launch, Metroid is the weird exception for some reason where it has no staying power for continual sales.
I'm mixed on what the trailer shows. On the one hand I'm glad they aren't just making Zelda a Link 2.0 clone, and are trying something different. Having said that, the gameplay just doesn't look all that interesting to me. It seems much more heavily puzzle focused than most Zelda games, and that's fine. Puzzles are always a big part of Zelda titles, but a game that heavily focusses on the puzzles just doesn't get me excited. From what I've seen of the gameplay if this were anything other than a Zelda titles I would have already forgotten it was in the Direct. I'll wait to see what future updates show and make a final decision when we see more of what the gameplay has to offer.
I hope Nintendo does this the right way. Zelda is a main character in the same universe as Link and she shouldn't play like him, otherwise, it would just be a different skin and a disservice to the franchise. She does hold the piece of the triforce that corresponds to wisdom right? So, she's not a fighter like Link is (triforce of courage), but a spiritual type of character. I don't believe they'll try to make her act as a powerful leader (can't unsee the chic saying this in an interview from The Acolyte) and Link being the idiot male comic relief who will be undermined by all of this. Unfortunately, many creators do this very thing nowadays, if Nintendo does this too, Zelda is finished, for me at least.
Let Zelda be her own thing. Why would we even need Zelda "kicking ass with shield and sword" if we have Link doing that? That'd be just a reskin. We have now tons of movies with females doing male things, some even masculinize women to look like freakin men, and look how "successful" these projects turning out financially and critically. Nintendo doing the right thing here.
Echoes of Wisdom should be a different gameplay style. Variations in game play are what keep the IP fresh. Otherwise, you end up in a scenario like New Super Mario where there are too many similar games and people get burnt out by them. It makes sense that a playable Zelda game is going to play different. I’m also like you Rob: if I don’t like a game, then I just skip it and move on. I love Mario, but I also dislike turn based combat, so Mario RPG was a pass for me.
I'm gonna be honest, I never wanted a game where you play as princess Zelda, and now after watching the gameplay, yeap I still dislike that fact, I seriously hope this is not Nintendo testing the waters for a mainline game, I know it's an unpopular opinion but I just don't like it...the worst thing of it all, is that I know I'm gonna play it regardless because in the end it is still a Zelda game.
This is more of a 'soft' spin off title. The 2d zelda games are more puzzle oriented in general, combat was more developed with the 3d games. But even boss battles are mostly 'timed puzzles' to figure it out. So a Zelda with a sword and some magic abilities secondary would be a waste. Its better to leave that for a 3d Zelda anyways. Maybe a remake of OoT.
Echoes of Wisdom is divisive, but I’m personally excited. Is this the game *YOU’VE* been wanting?
we all have our own tunnel vision. just happy to hear your excited voice.
She's wise, not courageous or powerful. Using magic to manipulate the world makes perfect sense for her. Not using a sword as a default weapon also makes sense because she's never used a sword before.
_"Buh whuddabou-"_
Stop. She _held_ a sword in Twilight Princess before she gulped in terror and dropped it. She's only "used" a sword when possessed, and even then she used it _very poorly._
I like 2D Zelda so I might end up with the game. Open world games are just too overwhelming for me and my somewhat limited time.
@@ChaoticHolyI agree. Though I still think they could’ve made an action game as well, but this to me looks perfectly great.
@Ruleof2Review I don't like it and I'm a massive Zelda fan. I find it insane that we have to scroll through a horizontal line of countless echoes to find the ones we want and then have to build furniture so we can reach new places...if you told me we would be doing this in a Zelda game one day 10 years ago, I would of laughed at you.
Do you think this gameplay will be better than normal 2D Zelda gameplay? What you think?
I'm glad they didn't just make Zelda a Link clone. I like that they are trying to have her play in a completely different way. Otherwise I think it would be a disservice to her character otherwise
And his.
It also wouldn't be anything special if she played the same as Link, just a different skin.
I don't want Zelda to play the same as Link.
She can play different from Link _and_ have a sword. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I agree! I like that they develop Zelda as a character with very different traits than what it is like playing as Link.
If they made her play like Link, it would just feel like they went with the disney gender swapping.
Wait what? Aren't We literally shown she plays totally different? Even if those were all the differences, and she 'played like Link' the rest of the time, that would still be overall very different.
I mean i agree but zelda has been shown to use magic, ninja skill, and swords before. Theis copy paste mechanic doesnt fit zelda at all
lets be real, if Zelda used a sword and shield, more people would be complaining about it being "lazy" and just swapping sprites with Link, giving her a more unique playstyle is a good thing imo. I'm excited for the game
To be honest, this may be a game more faithful to old-school zelda than the recent 3d entries. I can imagine dungeons in this game containing "dungeon echoes" that are used to pick apart its puzzles and tackle the boss. That would be a decent analog to dungeon items. Tri looks like she/he is upgradeable. Meaning you can't make overpowered echoes right from the get go. And there are other possibilities as well to bring back classic ideas in a new way.
I hope you are right. The game needs more limitations than TotK.
@@Nextendoh Its very easy to tell this game has more limitations than TOTK just from the trailer alone. There's a limited number of items that can be placed at once which is a huge limitation. And some items cost more tri shards as well, such as most monsters taking 2 and Redeads/Peahat taking 3.
I don't know why people want Zelda to have a sword or play like Link at all and I don't know why some people propose that she should use a rapier.
1. Having her play completely different from Link allows her to be distinct and not just Girl Link. I think this gives her opportunities for future titles and utilization alongside Link. Zelda games often have a gimmick, and because of the Trirod, Zelda herself is not the gimmick in this game. If she was just Girl Link then the identity of the game would be connected to her gender rather than a prominent item/ability.
2. Rapiers are not a feminine sword nor are they lighter than a broadsword. One handed swords all require a lot of muscle and skill. Zelda has also never been seen with a rapier in the mainline series. TP Zelda was seen with a sword and Tetra had a sword but most Zeldas use magic or the Bow of Light which both TP Zelda and Tetra used as well (ST Zelda uses a sword kind of but it's through possession). Swords aren't really part of her identity as a character, so if she were to be given a weapon, a bow is more her style.
3. The 2D Zelda swordplay is not very complex in the first place. I usually get disappointed when unique items have almost no use outside of their dungeon, so a game that is focussed on an ability besides the sword is very interesting to me. I love the puzzles in Zelda games so a game that focussed on puzzles is definitely something I would like to play.
So Link can cast fire balls, turn into a fairy...or a deku, or a goron, or a zora, manipulate the weather, the time of day, and just time itself but Zelda can't stab someone?
Honestly I am so hype for this. It would be like a Prime or 2D Metroid where you scanned an enemy and acquired powerups from it.
When I first saw Ganon I thought it was a remake of the very first game.
agree.. But i thought, they wouldn't show the ending.
I’m very excited imo
Some People want Zelda to use a sword but personally I prefer when Zelda is a cool ninja sheik or a magic user…
Otherwise what even is the point of link existing if Zelda functions the same lol.
I think link might also be playable late game but I wouldn’t bet on it
Yeah I agree to your entire comment
I know that Zelda usually fights with a bow in most of her roles. In the trailer where the tri rod is shown in the top left corner there is more room for other items. Maybe she will get a bow in a dungeon later on in the game just like Link would because he would never start with it either.
I think the hesitant and even negative reactions to /assumptions about this game highlights just how superficial many peoples' desires for a "Zelda" game were. If you want to play as Zelda but use the same sword and shield gameplay, you don't want to play as Zelda - you want to play as female Link. A truly Zelda focused game couldn't be anything other than a departure from previous experiences in order to stay true to the character and series history.
*claim is bigger Zelda fan than Mario
*calls Deku Babas 'Piranha Plants'
I see no point in sword wielding Zelda. As you said, that would be just a reskin. Zelda, a damsel in distress in most of the games, all of a sudden wielding a sword? She's not Samus you know, and there's no need in Link then. And by the way, combat in 2d Zelda games is not deep and is not primary focus of those games. So, this is fresh, this is new. I'm on board!
I agree. But zelda has shwon she can defend herself with ninja skills, magic, and swords every so often. This doesnt feel like zelda for me. It feels like and Cont C + Cont V nechanic they came up with a new ip but decided to add zelda to sell more copies
So earlier this year i played the gameboy games, and I've been kinda craving a modern 2D Zelda. It's different from what I was expecting, but I'm still very much looking forward to it
These games gave Zelda the change it needed
Many people are concerned or skeptic about Zelda EoW probably because they have had enough of the conventions-breaking, experimental gameplay approach seen in the Of the Wild games and instead they are craving the classic, unadulterated traditional Zelda gameplay of old now more than ever. I can understand the sentiment, but I want to think that making a Zelda-centered game where she plays different than Link will open up the possibility to have some level of dual gameplay in future mainline titles. Imagine a game where we play as either character, or both of them in different sections of the game, and get to experience different angles of the same story sort of like in the Oracle games. That would definitely be sick
I would not want to go back to the linear, caged up Gameplay of the older games anymore really. Everyone's gameplay experience would be near exactly the same, which is so wooden. They were fun for a time but now it's just jarring being forced down a dressed up corridor in this post-Modern gaming era.
I think this is a major win for the Zelda franchise. I personally can't wait to play it.
Rewatching Aonuma's commentary on it, I find it interesting that he calls it the "echo ability", just like he referred to the different abilities of TOTK. It makes me feel like there is going to be at least one other unique mechanic/ability that Zelda will do totally differently.
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Love how zelda keeps Reinventing itself with each game, i want them keep it up.
I'm an old school Zelda fan but I really love the path these new games have taken with their mechanics. The only problem I had with Tears of the Kingdom was the fact that too much of the content was following the same pattern . Too many shrines, mining outposts in the depths etc. The mechanics themselves were the best ever. I just think they need to focus on balancing out the crazy mechanics with the level of depth and detail in the level design.
I don't get the too many Shrines complaint. There are that many, so that every player will find enough no matter where they go. No one forces you to do all of them.
And games also have to run, so you can't just throw anything you want at them.
Did everyone expect Nintendo yo nake a new 3D Zelda with Zelda in Tears of Kingdom engine in just a year??! Geez, unrealistic expectations
What kind of Metroid Prime 4 is this? Jk lol, I'm actually super excited for Echoes of Wisdom! It's my most anticipated game of the year along with Mario Party and Assassin's Creed.
The argument that this game has a greater emphasis on magic because Zelda is wisdom and Link is courage is baffling to me. So Link can use several spellbooks worth of crazy magic but Zelda can't stab someone?
when totk was about to come out ppl really wanted zelda to be playable, that would mean making a whole past hyrule for her part of the story. echoes of wisdom seems to me like a compromise of "we dont have the time to do that on the wild engine but we can do a 2d game for zelda to be playable", so I'm expecting some references to totk, and those void things to me seems like a reference to the depths, echoes seem to funcion like the sage companions+autobuild, so yea, the setting will probably also take a lot from that totk era
I hope the next zelda game is a wind waker sequel
I don't understand people . They have wanted playable Zelda in a zelda game for a while. Ever since Tears of the Kingdom. Then when Nintendo reveals it, people hate it?
They don't hate it, not really. It's a common Nintendo fan response "This is exactly what I wanted... just not EXACTLY what I wanted."
I haven't seen the apparent "hate" anywhere, more the contrary, and thinking about if it will really work with the new gameplay style isn't hate, just thoughts about something we don't know yet and have to try first.
@@Ray_2112 Most vocal people don't have the attitude of "I need to try it first.", though.
I'm positively stoked about this game, and very few games these days do that for me. I mean first of all it's a new 2d Zelda which is always freaking awesome, and it's the first one in literally forever. Secondly, it's the first Zelda game ever where you play as Zelda, and thirdly and maybe most importantly for me, it's the first time a 2d Zelda will play similar to the new 3d Zelda games. We've never had close to the type of freedom this game is going to allow for in a 2d Zelda game, and that is super exciting to me. I don't want EVERY Zelda game from now on to be so free and open ended in its puzzle solving aspects, but since this is the first time its ever been done in a 2d Zelda game I'm totally down for it!
With all of that said, I DO hope that going into the future there will be some more traditional, linear style Zelda games. I just think that after so long a period of time where Zelda had the same formula, Aunuma and Nintendo have gone all in on this new open ended style of play. I think the pendulum will swing back eventually, or better yet, a new synthesis between old and new will be achieved. Time will tell I guess.
Zelda has always been stronger in her magic and light powers than in any hand to hand combat, and I love that they are focusing on that for her game. Being a mage in gameplay looks so fucking cool, I loved that you can summon enemies and hazards like they showed, that's actual combat magic on display and it looked fun af. I can't wait for the game. If they'd just make her fight with a sword and shield then there's no point in making Zelda the protagonist, when Link already does that.
It's just weird to me that people love Fantasy settings and then pretend it's not badass if the protag is magic user instead of a swordmaster.
“I didn’t share my thoughts because Metroid is most important”
Ahem. IN YOUR OPINION.
Metroid Dread was a perfect game and only sold 3M units.
Yes. I made it very clear I was speaking from my own perspective.
I hope the game performs well on Switch.
I think it’s going to be a pretty big hit.
Going to the top down perspective is smart and safe
I hope you play Princess Peach Showtime someday, specially if you have nothing to play on the Switch. It is a very solid 8 game, very well made. I know you are jaded from Yoshi Crafted World but I do think it is better and the variety of the transformations and specially the final fight is completely worth for 40-50 dolars if you see it on sale.
It's interesting how, after nearly 4 decades, it's only now that a franchise named Zelda finally gets a game where you play as Zelda (not including possibly the CD-i games).
Games I plan on getting from the direct:
* Mario & Luigi
* Mario Party
* Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom
* Metroid
Yeah, that's pretty packed for me. Definitely excited about Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom.
You will see people going like "I only want three games from the Direct.", so it's refreshing to see someone want four and treat it like a good amount, because it is.
Don't knock it until you try it. Yhis game will surprise us. This will be amazing!! ❤️ 😊
The copying mechanic seems really cool. Personally I've always loved the puzzle aspect of Zelda games but I also love running around and fighting with a sword, so I'm a bit worried about that too.
Tbh im pretty sure zelda fans wouldnt mind a re skin. We just want the classiz zelda story telling and gameplay. Heck even if you have tingle as the main protagonist
Some people may not like it, but this decision makes the most sense. Zelda is the holder of the triforce of Wisdom, not the Courage and Power. She isn't a female Link.
A combat-focused Zelda is more likely going to be in a spin-off game, not a mainline one.
If people don't like doing puzzles in their Zelda game, I think I now know one of the reasons why Nintendo isn't inclined to make Zelda as the main protagonist.
I also recall an interview where they asked why people like to go back to 2D if the gameplay will be limited compared to an open-world game. I think they challenged themselves with this one to bring Totk elements to 2D to make it more interesting and different.
As someone who hates open world zelda, I'm excited for this game.
I just really wish Nintendo would move away from the cartoony look for zelda already. Bring back a new version of lttp wrt style and make it hd 2d or something
How is LttP not cartoony?
Zelda is not a warrior like link because she bears the Triforce of wisdom. That is her gift. So she is using her gifts in this game. It makes sense to me. The only thing I found off from the footage so far is that Hyrule looks exactly the same as it did in a link to the past and a link between worlds. Hopefully it's expanded or there's a dark world.
New Zelda going to be metroidvania / link between worlds style where you have a true open world, but you need to power up and get stronger to progress through out the world.
Tri got little triforce pieces for its head-tail thing which acts as your limitation to how many summons you can have out in the world at one time which looks like you upgrade how many triforce pieces follow Tri as you progress in the game and not all summons cost one triforce piece to summon neither.
I am a sucker for metroidvania aspects in games and Link Between Worlds is my favourite Zelda.
I was hoping for something like this, honestly.
It’s basically a puzzle game, which it has always been one of the key components of the series since the beginning, so it’s not a complete change of direction or a more spinoff-ish experimentation, it’s building on one of the series pillar.
Moreover, Zelda is the wisdom of the trio, while Link is the courageous swordsman, so it makes sense for the Zelda starring game to be a wisdom focusing game (hence, “puzzles”). Honestly I would’ve been disappointed in a traditional action game but just with Zelda, as that’s not who she is.
Finally, what’s the worst that can happen? They will always do new 2D Zelda games, this can easily became a “third” type of game in the series. Once every 5-6 years we get the new 3D Zelda game, meanwhile we get remakes and new 2D games, some starring Link, some starring Zelda, it’s not an unlikely scenario.
Differently, the “ocarina-like” vs botw style is a more understandable fear, as 3D game are more expensive and so the fear is rooted in a very likely scenario. Although, I think the next 3D game will still move to an “in between” of the two style, totk was more an expansion an refinement of botw. In fact with totk we saw some elements were already “going back” to the ocarina formula, while maintaining the botw structure (slightly more coesive narrative, dungeon more in line with the traditional formula that were still “à la botw”, etc).
Can't wait to play it. Seems like the evolution of 2D Zelda.
Imagine turning Metroid, a game about a bounty hunter in space fighting creatures in alien environments into a puzzle game. That is exactly what this pathetic Aonuma did to Zelda. Zelda is a game about exploration, discovery, secrets and action swordplay, but now you’re going to put a bunch of beds/boxes together in the middle of the wilderness to solve puzzles.
I wanted a new 2D Zelda. I'm an 80's kid... but I was worried about a new 2D Zelda game. How do they get past the old light the torches and push the blocks type of puzzles? Well here we go. Play as Zelda and use a stick to spawn things... brilliant. I can't wait.
I'm glad we finally get a new 2D Zelda at all! It's been 11 years already, basically 15 since a completely new one. Having Zelda with different gameplay looks interesting and I'm curious to try it and will hopefully like it. It's good they're trying new ways for Zelda games (though TOTK didn't work for me for different reasons, amazing game though), still I hope they won't abandon the classic style completely...I still wish for a classic 2D Zelda with a new world, new dungeons, new ideas, but that plays in the typical style and also is graphically more of an evolution and not that toon-like.
Same with 3D Zeldas, would be kinda sad if we never get another OoT style game...I mean the open world thing already starts to feel old itself to me, they already did so much with it in just two games...the worlds are too huge too, the story rather random, all that freedom makes other parts of the games a bit weaker imo. I hope they streamline it more with the next game and change it up again...TOTK was already way less special because of the same map, a game about exploration shouldn't have me knowing at the start already where everything is.
The problem is that the change of character was done in a raw and unexpected way, if they had done it like in the Mario games where you can choose between Mario, Luigi, Peach and the others people would have accepted it more easily. to finally manage later to make a game completely with Zelda but currently, I'm really having trouble replacing Link, it's as if in a Metroid we suddenly start playing Adam
I do want some form of direct combat with other items than just echoes, though. Hopefully we have more items than just this rod.
From the June Direct for me:
1. Zelda
2. MIO (love Ori and this looks very heavily inspired by Ori with a beautiful art style as well)
3. Metroid Prime 4
4. Mario and Luigi (never played series before)
5. Farmagia (get physical, XSEED always does a really, really good job with their physical releases; also brand new IP)
6. Dragon Quest 3 Remake (never played series before)
There was no insane moment for me like Fire Emblem Engage or Kirby and the Forgotten Land moment though.
@@MasterStacona ouch you put MP4 at 3rd over MIO and shitty Zelda. What a war crime...
This looks very fun for me and I can’t wait to play this.
Looking forward to this game. I think it would be cool if Zelda had some sort of telepathic abilities. I think Tri will come from Zelda while she is in the prison area maybe it comes from the triforce on her hand to help her escape
Definitely looking forward to this game!! Looks already more fun to me than both BotW and Totk, even if it is more open and slightly sandbox-ish I think the fact that it's a 2D world and probably not as large of a map means that the puzzles and whatnot will hopefully be more condensed and interesting to interact with/ better designed. I'm also hoping (which it seems like we are) to see some more classic dungeons and boss ideas return!!! My only concern for this game is that the Echo mechanic is the ONLY thing this game has, which I doubt it will be, but I could see that getting pretty stale sorta fast, ESPECIALLY if you have to open a menu EVERY time to select a different Echo constantly!!!
"OK, I'm gonna pass and wait for the next Mario game that I want to play"
Zelda fans don't have that option though, now that the top-down games are _also_ adopting the BotW/TotK style.
Zelda fans are more or less in the position of SM64/Sunshine/Galaxy fans during the NSMB/3D World era of Mario, or Paper Mario fans post-Sticker Star, or OG Resident Evil fans post-RE4.
Then you just have to deal with it.
Putting SMG with SM64 and SMS is definitely something. Same for SPM with PM64 and PMTTYD.
This game looks like an absolute treat.
No, Link reskinned as Zelda would be a stupid game. Zelda needs to play as a mage and do something Link cannot do, and Link does things Zelda cannot do.
I’m down for this. I don’t want Zelda to use a sword, shield and everything else Link does. Often Zelda uses a bow but Link uses that too. This is very unique. The only thing I don’t like is the chibi art style. But I’ll still enjoy it.
Personally, it looks like the game I’ve been waiting for. Let’s see if they can top ALBW
I don’t think every girl character has to be a badass warrior to fit some modern agenda. This concept puts focus on her smarts and wits, her ability to surprise and be clever, which we saw in 64 with Sheik in Ocarina. Looks rad! All for it!
This issue is when girls are pigeonheld into either. I like smarts & wits but it shouldn't be the default just because it's a girl, in thiscase with Zelda it's appopiate though.
Zelda content on this channel post Metroid Prime 4 announcement?
Bless you sir.
Zelda has the triforce of WISDOM, why the heck would she be fighting with sword and board? IF she was fighting at all I would have expected the shadowy ninja style like when she was Sheik. If it was Zelda being an analogue of Link it would have been boring, pointless, and nonsensical.
Im with you that it would actually be borong for the developers to just make a regular game with nothing more than a skin swap of link to zelda. At least for her first main game. Maybe theres room for a future 3d game to have both zelda and link be playable at various points, and the gameplay will be appropriately done for the cobtext of the game.
No, we've been waiting for WW/TP double pack, but Echoes is gonna be the game we never knew we always wanted.
"We" did nothing.
@@NuiYabuko what would you like for me to say?
well you spoke for me and I'll add a touch to that. like you said an action adventure topview game.
IF they were to use Zelda as a main, let it be a Zelda/Sheik game.
to me it was never NEVER necessary to play as Zelda, maybe in combo in dungeons with Link, but cmon man, this only happened bc a small minority of big nintendo influencers keep hyping this up and of course the comments went with them, so now you have Zelda. they did the exact same with tears of the kingdom, only to me that worked out pretty well.
this to me is just not necessary, imagine link having the tri rod AND being able to do simple swordplay, maybe even combine your own attacks with the echoes of captured enemies, that would be awesome. the only think that has me mildly enthusiastic is the world itself. but no I wasn't too happy with the reveal, but cant judge a book by its cover and even its first pages. guess we will see.
good vid bro
There is room for this Tri-rod Zelda and a kunai wielding one, like Sheik. Afterall, Sheik Zelda is cannon already. I am not sure if fans just want a Zelda to play “just like link”. But Echoes of Wisdom (while a fun looking puzzling game) really does a disservice to Zelda. Yes, Zelda holds the Power of Wisdom but that doesn’t mean all she can do is use magic. She can use weapons too like the arrow and Sheik uses a magical harp WITH these knives.
Nintendo, do better next time. I want a well rounded Zelda. 😂
I want a linkle game so bad
When i want to buy something i save at least half to sometimes double the amount I'm going to spend so i know that this purchase won't bury me. It may be hard as fuck out here but my family of 5 only makes about 80k a year combined and we live paycheck to paycheck but we have a home we have food, we have a vehicle and bills are always paid. I can't complain because we are comfortable even though its not the most lavish life. Just make sure the important shit is paid for and whatever you have left you can splurge on whatever the fuck you want or save it for a nest egg in case of emergency. Nice shit is just that, it's nice for now but it will get old fast.
With this game and Metroid Prime 4, Nintendo Switch will outsell the DS and PS2
I don't really see division over this game, everyone I've seen is pleasantly surprised by it. Zelda kicking ass with a sword would be a huge insult Link, nobody in Hyrule is a warrior like Link, to just say "Link's gone, here's Zelda, take a sword" and have her whooping ass would be the worst, it would diminish Link. The way they're doing it is totally the way to do it. I was so happy when I saw that trailer because Nintendo continues to be Nintendo and make new things that people don't expect, yet enjoy. I really don't care about remakes.
Im just concerned that instead of leaning into a sheik/zelda dynamic instead this comes off like someone pitched a hyrule decorator and they took that and ran
True Zelda game (The Legend of Link) is Zelda is a proper mage the whole time, so not really, but I am getting this day 1 because it looks like Box Boy in 3D.
Who's "we" exactly?
I'm quite looking forward to the game and that despite not normally vibing with 2D Zelda. The only one I actually liked so far is ALbW and EoW seems to channel that more than older 2D titles.
As for Zelda as a playable character, I wanted a spin-off where she's a magic wielder for a while now. That or tower defence or something that shows her duties as a princess. Making her just a palette swap of Link would be boring, since she's her own character - a princess, proficient in magic and the holder of the Twiforce of Wisdom.
I’ve been waiting for this game for many years
I want a Zelda game. Not a botw or a totk. I Zelda game. This feels like they made a new IP with a Cont C +Cont V mechanic and decided to put zelda on it. Zelda knows how to use magic, ninjutsu, and a sword in some games. So this just feels like another make your own adventure game
Maybe the timing wasn't the best considering how long it's been since the last new 2d zelda but could be they are waiting for Switch two for traditional top down
I wanted a new 2D Zelda game for the first year of Switch 2 because obviously TOTK just released so there wont be a new 3D Zelda so now there wont be any new Zelda game for the first year of Switch 2
Yeah the next 3D Zelda is a few years away for sure.
Good point. It would’ve been great to see how well a 2D Zelda can sell over the course of an entire generation. But Switch still needs some heavy hitters given its strength so I’m ok with it coming out now.
I think Zelda games (almost) never released early in a console cycle though...except they were cross gen.
@Ray_2112 cross gen Zelda at least they are brand new games that's better than not having a brand new Zelda in the first year of a new console
Isn't Zelda a spellcaster? Why is she co-opting other creature abilities to fight instead of being a kickass spellcaster? That would differentiate her from Link's melee combat.
Why are all the youtubers claiming that everyone wanted to play as zelda?
Not that many people ever cared
At the end of the day the character is just a sprite so im not super upset about it either
I do have to things in particular to gripe about
1 is just a general worry about the whole dei inclusion thing if the emphasis on zelda being a woman is too strong it might overshadow the rest of the game and be too different from the zelda format to be considered a mainline zelda game (no triforce heroes will never be a mainline zelda to me)
2 a lot of the charm of zelda games is the fact that you the player are the link between to the main character (zelda)
If you the avatar is separate from rhe main character than that allows for zelda to be much more complex a character as she doesn't have to fit the mold of the avatar. If you play as zelda that is taken away so in a way this is downgrading zelda from the character that drives the story to simply an avatar to be controlled.
Think of Gandalf in the lord of the rings he is purposefully kept at arms length to add to his mystique you never really know what his motivations or plans are but you know he is a giant player in the story because of his power he is wisdom just like zelda always uses her wisdom to aid link at just the right time
She understands that she is the most important asset in the fight so she never attacks first or rashly that is the heros role -courage
Everyone? No. A big portion of the fan base? Yes.
Also, are you really unironically complaining about DEI? That might be your issue then. I guess these days no woman can ever be the protag in her own story without a specific section of the internet throwing a fit.
@@NuiYabuko lies
Get used to this type of surprise because you folks who are so hyped and obsessed with switch 2 will be yet again surprised much like with this Zelda announcement. It will be a different system
Rob's Mind: "Metroid Prime 4: Beyond is going to be the greatest game ever and outsell Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and be over 80 million unit seller."
Reality's Mind: "It might hit 5 million units lifetime..."
I am getting Metroid Prime 4: Beyond, but it is not going to be the greatest seller of all time and like 90% of its sales probably end up selling in the first month with barely any sales after.
Metroid sells the opposite to Fire Emblem, where Fire Emblem has low burst sales, but then continues to slowly sell over multiple years which is why Fire Emblem games always sky rocket in price when Nintendo stops manufacturing them because they sell through word of mouth slowly overtime. Most Nintendo games usually keep selling over multiple years after launch, Metroid is the weird exception for some reason where it has no staying power for continual sales.
I'm mixed on what the trailer shows. On the one hand I'm glad they aren't just making Zelda a Link 2.0 clone, and are trying something different. Having said that, the gameplay just doesn't look all that interesting to me. It seems much more heavily puzzle focused than most Zelda games, and that's fine. Puzzles are always a big part of Zelda titles, but a game that heavily focusses on the puzzles just doesn't get me excited. From what I've seen of the gameplay if this were anything other than a Zelda titles I would have already forgotten it was in the Direct. I'll wait to see what future updates show and make a final decision when we see more of what the gameplay has to offer.
What would be the point with Zelda and a sword like link? How is using magic not an awesome warrior? Weird take.
I hope Nintendo does this the right way. Zelda is a main character in the same universe as Link and she shouldn't play like him, otherwise, it would just be a different skin and a disservice to the franchise. She does hold the piece of the triforce that corresponds to wisdom right? So, she's not a fighter like Link is (triforce of courage), but a spiritual type of character. I don't believe they'll try to make her act as a powerful leader (can't unsee the chic saying this in an interview from The Acolyte) and Link being the idiot male comic relief who will be undermined by all of this. Unfortunately, many creators do this very thing nowadays, if Nintendo does this too, Zelda is finished, for me at least.
This game looks terrible imo and i am a huge Zelda fan. Hope to see more that changes my mind.
This is good and all... but... Devil's Fourth is overdue.
Let Zelda be her own thing. Why would we even need Zelda "kicking ass with shield and sword" if we have Link doing that? That'd be just a reskin. We have now tons of movies with females doing male things, some even masculinize women to look like freakin men, and look how "successful" these projects turning out financially and critically. Nintendo doing the right thing here.
I wanted the Zelda focused game to be more puzzling but I'm not super enthralled with this copy and paste mechanic. It isn't what I was hoping for.
Echoes of Wisdom should be a different gameplay style. Variations in game play are what keep the IP fresh. Otherwise, you end up in a scenario like New Super Mario where there are too many similar games and people get burnt out by them. It makes sense that a playable Zelda game is going to play different. I’m also like you Rob: if I don’t like a game, then I just skip it and move on. I love Mario, but I also dislike turn based combat, so Mario RPG was a pass for me.
I am sure you can still hit the enemies with the tri-rod
I think there’s a good chance that’s true. And I’d love to see them confirm that.
Looks like another 10/10 to me
Not the Zelda Zelda game I wanted at all but I’ll give it a shot at least.
I'm not sure about this game. It seems gimmicky. But that Zelda Switch light looks pretty sweet 😁😁😁
Love it
Can’t wait
This looks like a spinoff to me. Enough with breaking the convention of past zelda games. Lets hope they bring the original formula back.
I like they did something different. If every Zelda game played the same it wont be special
I'm gonna be honest, I never wanted a game where you play as princess Zelda, and now after watching the gameplay, yeap I still dislike that fact, I seriously hope this is not Nintendo testing the waters for a mainline game, I know it's an unpopular opinion but I just don't like it...the worst thing of it all, is that I know I'm gonna play it regardless because in the end it is still a Zelda game.
Whi doesnt like tears of the kingdom? Havent seen anyone saying that
What was the third game you liked?
It was Mio, the Metroidvania playforming game. Looks awesome.
This is more of a 'soft' spin off title.
The 2d zelda games are more puzzle oriented in general, combat was more developed with the 3d games. But even boss battles are mostly 'timed puzzles' to figure it out.
So a Zelda with a sword and some magic abilities secondary would be a waste. Its better to leave that for a 3d Zelda anyways.
Maybe a remake of OoT.