Comm breaks the RLCS Demo Record vs NRG
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I think the real takeaway here is that V1 has such a good blueprint and each player seems to play their part extremely well. Comm is and has been the disrupter / the primary player in applying pressure everywhere - which makes Beastmode's solo plays and mechanical ability to shine through, and Torment is just solid everywhere but is the best at keeping composure on defense. such a fun team to watch
True, Comm and Torment have such unique skill sets, and Beastmode is yet another ungodly mechanical kid. All three of them play for each other instead of playing for themselves and when it works it’s really unplayable. Either Comm creates chaos and Beast or Torment have an easy shot, or Comm and Torment can use their mechanics to create chances for Beast, we saw many passing plays from Torment to Beast against Gen G. Then there’s also Beastmode who can play the aggressive “Firstkiller” type role and either score on his own or drop it to Comm or Torment to tap it in. They really just bring the best out of each other.
There’s many dimensions to this V1 team and nobody really plays like them, that’s what makes them so interesting.
@@AutosportDesign playing for each other is a good way to put it. The beastmode comm combination makes defenses so awkward too bc beatmode will just play it around the last man if he doesnt have a clean opportunity instead of taking a weak shot - whatever is a better chance of his own team scoring. Think thats what firstkiller lacks
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With that being said, EU in 4....EU >>>>>> NA. Let's see how Comm's playstyle works vs EU teams at World's 🤣
For sure! V1 has to be my top favourite team just because they play so uniquely and everyone has a role. Space Station used to be that team for me, and same with Moist just because they had such good mechanical skill they could power through the defense.
Comm is savage. But its great. Been a fan of him since his days of communism.
We all have comm to appreciate and follow Comm's Open Minded Marxism
Or
Communism On Max Management
Love him or hate him. His strategy works most of the time
His strategy is suspiciously similar to other communist strategies 🤔
He’s fr communist?
@@qdrizzle435 nah dont think so but his in game name used to be communist though that's y I said that.
I watched this live and I did notice there was a good bit of demos but when it was revealed he did 20 demos I was like HOLY SHIT.
Another thing to point out is NRG lasted so long in that hell. 7 minutes of fighting for their life is no easy feat. We've all been in demo hungry games and I know I certainly wouldn't have lasted 7 minutes
Yea its rare for me to last 7 minutes
Seeing how much work Torment has put in to upping his mechanics is such an incredible thing to watch, instead of falling behind like a lot of the "older" pros hes turning in to more than just a defensive God and these higher mechanics is just making his defense even better. So fun to watch!
He really has improved - I think a lot of people don't pay attention, but he is much faster and more mechanical than before
true, he's always been one of the greatest ranked players, so he clearly still has the skill to compete at any level. But yeah, even besides his improvement in mechanics, he genuinely just has amazing positioning and defending, living legend.
Report this scammer that’s trying to use feer’s likeness for their grift
This was frankly some of the best, most clinical high level play I've seen in a long time
Comm is insanely good
@Jordan Churchill He made a number of good saves and created lots of space for his team to work. You dont know what youre talking about
@Jordan Churchill you obviously don't pay attention to anything that happens around him, sooo many times NRG can't even male a somewhat threatening attack, cause the next person to go or pressure isn't there cuz of Comm or hesitates and so often Beastmode or Torment outplay one player and usually you'd expect the next man of the other team to challenge, but he ain't there, because he was demoed and they're so well coordinated while doing that that they're basically never double committing or one player turns away from a challenge since the other has a safer path to it and you still then have the other one as 3rd man back. It's incredible how little NRG could do on the field most of the time cuz od the demos
NRG’s rear post/third man rotations are so so predictable. I’ve never seen a top team in the last 3-4 splits that has this little mobility in net. No wonder Comm just rotated out of plays around their goal and farms demos.
NRG still have one of the highest demos received when u check on octane gg. Yet people sourly blame Comm and not them 😂
I love the NRG boys but their adaptation to the demo meta still isn't quite there. Now I'm still confused about what actually happened because I swear throughout rlcs X and early 21-22, they were fine with demos. Now any team that demos instantly screws them because their rotations are predictable
I must say V1 won but U must say all games were close games and NRG has a big potential to beat V1 if they would play a little bit more unpredictable
@@dastypv3886 tbf the games were close and NRG did take v1 to multiple long OTs. NRG have been looking better but there's still room for improvement.
One day NRG will beat v1 but it will probably take awhile to get there.
@@majesticmo5048 the reason they haven't adapted to this is because they were the ones that set it. They play as if they're the ones doing all the demos, which was true a couple years ago, but not anymore
It’s not even the fact they were predictable with their defensive rotation since they still managed to hang on with a 7 min ot, it’s more the fact that they don’t respond with demos of their own. I felt they could’ve won the series had they actually tried being the physical ones but it just never happened
Peak RLCS gameplay
Wouldn't you be the one to know
They did win the entire weekend...
It wild to see this because he could have easily done more than 20 demos in that game! Comm isn’t even focusing solely on demos. He’s got more shots than squishy and Garrett combined in that game.
This version 1 looks scary
@@afrobossi8360 still not bds scary
@@afrobossi8360 this version 1 only shows up for nrg lmao
@@hamzazilani6398 ikr 😞 😢
obv when youre on the pitch more than your opponent
I’ve always wondered, since the Endpoint Virtuoso days, how frustrating this playstyle can be for your own teammates. It is very different from how other teams play and i can imagine it being annoying when things don’t go well but then again V1 have probably perfected this playstyle
Exactly
Some people think demo heavy players are just abusing the system, when in reality it takes A LOT of skill to be demo efficient whilst also not inhibiting your own team.
Its only frustrating in ranked when you have no idea what your teamm8 is thinking and cant communicate it. Its probably great on an RLCS team.
@@zeitz4473 if only people used this yknow.. ingame chat feature that got revamped so they could communicate their intentions
@@lulzywizard7576 But they dont, so is what it is
Yeah it was awesome seeing this breakdown. as Johnny points out comm is still contributing quite a bit with on the ball offense and defense. He also points out how most of his demos are from the side or behind so he’s maintaining momentum while fully disrupting another player’s.
Rl players struggle to appreciate strategies that aren't ball chasing until a goal happens. Great game.
Reqlly happy to see comm doing well, loved watching his games when he first did show matches on your stream years ago
I mean I've gotten upset at getting demoed, but I've also gotten upset when the other team makes a crazy save on a good shot I put on net. If you get demoed, you messed up, same as if your opponent is able to save your shot. Hating people for going for demoes is like hating people for going for saves.
You also have people who go for demo's to their own detriment. It is always easy to tell who plays a good demo game, and who doesn't.
And it's hilarious when bad demo plays happen.
not the same at all. you can win without going for demos, but you cant without saves. that doesnt mean i dislike demos as a matter a fact im a big fsn of comm. im just proving a point lol
@@anthonyvallejo9127 you can win without going for saves, just score more than your opponent. You didn’t prove anything.
demos make it so you can’t play the game, a save makes it so you don’t score a goal they’re completely different and I personally don’t even care about demos
Correction: the demo record for NA RLCS. Virtuoso had 2 games with more demos in RLCSX with Endpoint.
How many did he get?
36 on his act? Lmao this man is an absolute savage
V1s rotations are just so good I remember against falcons at worlds they genuinely looked impenetrable
Wait, wasn't it only the NA demo record? I thought an SSA player dropped 23 demos...
Yep NA record, beat Allu’s 18
Was it in rlcs?
@@jsonjsoff yes, it was in the SSA rlcs
Virtuoso has the record rn is like 24 or smth
@@vtsv27 allu had 23 i thought
I remember Comm first coming on the channel all those years ago and the performance he put on was something to behold
I love demos. Even if it’s only done a few times it causes the opponents to always have an eye on you for demos. Simply driving near them could cause them to react and concede a goal because of it.
It's really funny to make the goalie jump in fear just because he knows you got close
@@artursales259 and when they jump you can just park underneath their car so they can’t land
@@Chris95960 Bump/demo is just too Op
@@Chris95960 Bump/demo is just too Op
@@artursales259 yup. As you get higher level goalies have much better positioning. If goalies are jumping instead of repositioning, that’s on them!
I think the demos were brilliant. It stopped the possibility for NRG counterattacks because you can only counter when you know last man is covering goal. But if last man gets demo'd, you have to be conservative with the ball. I've been trying to implement demos into my games, tbh demos are a really skilled mechanic
I was hoping you would do a replay review for this!
Makes you wonder how NRG would do against demo's if they didn't troll in scrims with demo heavy teams 🤣🤣
They only start trollling when the demos start, they don’t just troll to start with
@@dstn87godz52 yes because demos kill are unbearable even from a mental pov
@@dstn87godz52 There is a reason I said, "Demo Heavy Teams"
but thank you for the nothing burger of a comment
@@Gradymeister ?
@@dstn87godz52 ? don’t troll against demo heavy teams and maybe you’d learn how to cope with their demo heavy playstyle ONCE THE DEMOS START.
this mans K/D is insane
i just know Squishy was punching holes in the wall during this
This is why I love watching v1. They have a gameplan and strategy and they execute it
Almost 90 seconds before his first demo and still get 20. Crazy.
Comm loves playing the villain, makes RLCS more fun when everyone isn't universally loved
13:33 LMAO
That tweet made me a fan xD
Great to see Comm and Chronic playing a final against each other. I'm so invested in both of them.
Johnny, can you do a review of game 4 of this match? It illustrates team movement really well. They're a spinning triangle in tight rotation with a ton of pressure both defensively and offensively. It's highlighted with the play in the corner. V1's ability to stay in a tight formation is a great example of their synergy and game 4 was a clinic.
After watching Comm's complete inability to do anything athletic (basketball video), I for sure believe he graduated with a 4.0 GPA lol
5 kills away from the Nuke..
love the struggle to avoid comm puns
this is so sad
And most of all, it can usually cause someone on the other team to be frustrated and make more mistakes.
If you can’t handle being demoed and/or think demoing is ‘weak’ and ‘lack skill’, then quit the game.
It’s a mechanic in the game, get used to it or start using it.
Ty for the quick upload on this. Great content!
Hopefully this is a lesson for NRG that they can improve from. Having a glaring weakness like this is something that may make them better in the future once they develop strategies to fight it
Is it a weakness though? What can you really do about that? If it is a weakness then that assumes other teams have a strength of evading demos. As a diamond player I really don’t have an answer for that. Maybe pros could develop strategies to help evade the demos?
@@chasebush7423 other teams don't get demoed as much as NRG
@@shake4259 other teams don’t get demo’d as much because they play each team differently at that level. NRG has strengths that are harder to counter. Demos and knowing the three players tendencies just happens to be the most effective counter. I don’t find V1 vs NRG interesting because nothing super impressive really happens, but that’s just me
@@chasebush7423 People say “jump” lol. Playing at that level there’s real no solution for beating 3 pro 10,000+ hour players drooling for bumps. Dodging bumps puts you out of position to apply pressure giving open space to the other team to do whatever. Not dodging bumps gets you demo’d. Whether you’re a pro, casual player, higher level, or just a viewer bump heavy games just don’t do it like great mechanical plays from season 1 - 10.
@@chasebush7423 In Comms words NRG has very predictable 3rd man rotations. This could mean they adjust their challenges in the 1st and 2nd line so they aren’t spread so thin. Idk tho I’m also diamond so I could be talking out my ass
Comm always up’s his demos against NRG. I think it’s part of his strategy with them specifically. He even said after the game that NRG is the same NRG they beat 6 months ago and 3 months ago so they played them the same… I think that was code for “I know how to tilt NRG” Such a troll.
In this game, NRG had 4 demos total and all of them were from Garrett.
And 2 were him just demoing Comm when he got demoed himself lmao
lmao Comm's tweet had me dying. That was a great game.
Well needed video and of course it comes from one of the best in the scene! Thanks Johnny as always for the great content.
Gotta change the name of demo to Comm. Example: "I'm comming the third man, take the shot!"
Other examples: "I'm comming all over the other team." "Oh my God! I'm comming so hard right now!"
I love his style of play I’ve been trying it its fun
They need to just keep doing this and they’re gonna be consistent. The other scary part is that he still generates his own solo plays with the ball when he plays like this, even more so than when he plays passive
Bad side is once V1 becomes consistent. RLCS won’t be that interesting anymore. Ranked play from say Gold - GC is going to be just like them. The skill ceiling in RL gone, and people are going to start playing rocket league like it’s COD
V1 would make the perfect heatseaker team lol
The way I see it demos are like passes not every demo will result in a goal same as passes not every pass will be a goal but it opens up the field for u team mates and removes the pressure from your team and adds more pressure on the other team.
And you can tell during this game despite NRG they were solid they weren't putting any pressure on V1 at all, They couldn't advance they couldn't push hard, They were always behind playing defensively because they need to resest after a Comm demo.
I like it.
Saw the title immediately clicked on it
Same. I love it.. all of the cry babies in the comments bring me joy. Good job to Comm and the boys!
7:39 that was a beautiful flick/pass to Beastmode on the wall
I think there is a lot to be said about how easy it is for NRG to get demo'd as well. In an SSG coms video Retals is heard saying how NRG is the easiest team in NA to demo. Some of these demos Comm didnt even have to go out of his way to get. I dont think its unfair or mean to say that NRG has to change their play style if the want to remain competitive in RLCS
Comm the Menace.
He has NRG downloaded.
Squishy never should have cried about demos in scrims.. it'll come back to haunt him and NRG as a whole, until he gets dropped and they fix their mental issues. I know it's not *JUST* squishy but he's at the forefront of the scrim/demo dilemma.
The interesting thing is, the demo play gets kind of repetitive aswell. It's effective to turn the momentum no doubt, but with teams like SSG and V1 I was always curious, why other teams still seem so surprised and shaken when it happens. Usually after 1 or 2 lost games they adapt and start demoing back, which often works, but I feel they should be anticipating it earlier.
if you don't like to get demo'd ........don't get demo'd
So what's the demo rampage counter? Is it responding with demo rampaging? It's hard to imagine that being great for the Rocket League meta.
I love this and think it’s hilarious the record now is against NRG 😂
0:08 perfect example of choosing ball over boost
2:55 just go back post, he caused the goal. Made up for it at 0:11 but that is the trade-off with chasing the demo constantly.
no way ur telling a regional winner how to play the game
@@anthonyvallejo9127 Why not? They are not automatically right, if no one made any mistakes in this game there would be no goals.
That was actually a 'bad' demo and follow up. No one is perfect, pro's included.
@@WimpieKanaal they have team staff for that why would he care about a plats opinion
@@EquityUK. Who says staff didn't say the same thing? The statement doesn't have to be wrong just because it's coming from a 'plat'
That and we were not talking about if he/they cared or not.
The demo and positioning were far from great, pro's are humans to. Who knew right?
Also if you are wondering how a 'plat' can see it wasn't great. Through the demo he gave the pass himself, making the demo pointless, the pass was made anyways. And then he didn't postion well enough to stop a not very impressive shot. Its pretty darn simple really.
@@WimpieKanaal you care way to much about this bro it was a passing comment
I think the knee jerk reaction stems from what most of us experience during reg. and even non competitive play, Demo's usually result from the winning team noticing a skill gap and twisting the knife just a little more by adding demos to an already frustrating game for the opposing team to lose. I myself hate demo's used in that manner. A playmaker having that in his tool kit to generate opportunities well that you see in some form no matter what sport you play. Lebron, Bird, Jordan...probably the biggest trash talkers in the game. In Hockey there's always enforcers on the team. Cam Neely #8 was basically doing the same thing Comm was doing here.
He didn’t get his first demo until three minutes 30 seconds and only had one more by one minute left in the game. So when you said he was gonna get 20 it didn’t seem like he can do it.
ik I was so confused
Funny part is that the first demo he did, he passed ball with it to enemy team and they scored XD
This properly stands as the record, but I do like Allushin's RGB demo game more (I guess that stands as most demos in a 5 minute game). Allushin not even taking the kickoff and getting a flat 0 touches was hilarious. Though in Comm's favor, playing the ball and demoing is obviously a better team move.
Congrats to both on being amazing showmen and players in their own ways.
The ppl complaining are probably the same that spam "Wow! Wow! Wow!" after running into your rotation path and getting demoed by accident.
Also IF there was a broken, "easy win" mechanic EVERYONE would use it all the time in a competitive setting. It's like chosing a high- to S-Tier character in a fighting game, most serious competitive players would do that.
I loved this game so much. I was laughing the whole way after like demo #4 because you could just see what Comm was doing. The fact that you could see NRG and twitchchat malding simultaneously was peak entertainment.
If you just watched someone get 20 demos in one game on professional players and your reaction is "that's cringe" and not "that's unbelievable" I don't know what to tell you. IMO Comm is one of the best players in RLCS at being able to scrap it out on defense, maintain possession, get that extra touch, and read the game. I think he and Retals are similar in that way. You're out of your mind if you think Comm isn't mechy. I wanted NRG to win and I don't love demos but I have never seen anything like this game in all my years watching RL. I've already forgotten all the crazy mechy shots I recently saw in RLCS but I won't forget this game.
As they say, don't hate the player, hate the game
Its part of the game. And when over demos get in your opponents head it works.
i sense a new demo meta again! this time its gonna be worse
No comment on Comm's excellent assist at 2:58?
Demo is really easier said than done, even in random casual pug game you would never had to think of how your opponents moving through the field, and probably you'd just leave yourself out of the play if you're just rage chasing a car from one side to the other.
6:02 that’d be “fewer” risks, Johnny.
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its amazing how complexity beat V1 and GEN-G in the same regional but still lost in top 8
Why do so few pros wall dash? 2:52 was the perfect opportunity to use it and Comm just cedes possession instead. Coulda had a booming clear / shot on net with a couple walldashes
again at 11:48
Because it’s a high risk low reward play. So what, comm gets a little more speed and hits the ball to the other team a little quicker. Should he mess up the mechanic or just miss due to not judging the speed increase correctly, he’s just left his team in a 2v3. It’s useful, but not if you aren’t 100% confident doing it.
There are levels to every aspect of this game ...demo's are no exception
Justin clearly is the easiest to demo, he doesn't even try to jump or anything. It's like Comm said in the Rizzo's podcast, him and Squishy don't play 2v2 enough to develop a better awareness.
Demos are a mechanic of the game, I dont think there is any problem with demos, especially with being able to avoid them or alternatively do it yourself. Sure air dribble bumping when you do it properly is almost unbeatable but when the alternative is to enable phasing through cars I think it's just a worse option than being able to actively put your opponents out of position.
natrually I think NRG fans are just salty about the loss
Highkey comms fault they conceded this game but mistakes happen, his play throughout the rest of the match was incredible to watch
Huh? They won this game
@@Ryan-wx1bi the first goal happened because he demoed into a pass off his own back wall into getting scored on
@@Epiccheese247 okay? They still won the game. What's your point?
@@Ryan-wx1bi he just said conceded, not lost. They conceded a goal because of it
@@Epiccheese247 concede the "game" Is what they said. Not the goal.
Off topic but if Dead-Monster ever gets a bunch of demos we have to start calling him demonster
Comm was a mechanical goliath in that entire tourney
Wtf no he wasn't 😂. V1 are so reliant on Beastmode it's almost embarrassing
Yes he was. Did you even watch it?@@anotherguy3082
Sometimes demo gives a opponent more boost than he would have had
I dont agree that the good thing about demo's are that they are hard to do in pro matches and should then be seen as a high lvl skill. I feel like demos are a part of the strategic game in rlcs, and rocket league in general, just like rotations. So it annoys me that so many people hate on it. I agree its annoying, but its also frustrating to lose against a team with good rotations. My point is that demo's and bumpes should be seen as another part of the fundamentals in rocket league, just like rotation, positioning, ball and car control. Maybe not as important but still a fundamental thing to learn. (Btw english is my second language so dont hate..)
The record seems to have more to do with the length of the game than Comm. Wouldn't even call his actions this game that demo hungry
yeah it’s a bit misleading but he definitely was chasing
Really smart people always view the game differently. Very interesting to see he has a 36 ACT and thinks the ideal way to play RL is this heavy disruption style.
Let me be clear; I despise nonpros that play this way (particularly in casual). However, people who say beastmode completely carries V1 are nuts. Comm gives him just a ridiculous amount of space, and torment is the perfect 3rd man. Without comm doing this, I think BM is still outside the top 10 in NA.
100% if my opponent can't defend against a blitz guess what we're doing every play.
I get we all love NRG (I love them too, cheer for them every time they play no matter who it is)but when they play the SAME style every match and never really evolve with the game. Look at the NFL all the new & young players coming in that are hungry and have time & skills to become little Daniels, you have to evolve no other choice.
Hey johnnyboi
Great commentary on this match
Nice to hear a fellow Scottish accent
Oh gaawds did i just get Scotland cancelled
;)
I like these videos do more if you can
Torment is an underrated legend.
Wow thats a crazy perspective!! When I was watching this live I thought he was HARD trying for demos ... but no definitely not the case . Didn't even look like he was trying to demo people. Damn...
i would like to see more of this againts Falcons
Comm's gameplay and his personality are both A+.
Comm is obviously one of the best demoers in the game but what really stands out to me in this game is how fucking awful nrg are at dodging them
the first demo was at 330 thats nuts he couldve had more
1:34?
Imagine Vatira on this roster with Comm and Bmo
NRG fan here. First of all, I want to say that I wouldn’t ever DM somebody to trash them for anything that happens in a pro RL game, so we aren’t all flame monsters. Second, I’m not a fan of the way Comm plays, but I don’t hate it either. While it’s frustrating to watch that many demos, it is part of the game. I may sometimes get raged when I’m getting demo chased in game, but I usually end up thinking that either demos shouldn’t be part of the game or they should be harder to get, not that someone is cringe or something for going for demos, at least after my initial frustration calms down. I would love to see a demo-free RL, though, even if it is just an extra mode or something, just to see how different the game would be.
Also, I thought Justin’s tweet about air-dribble bumping Comm in ranked games was hilarious.
And now I can’t find the tweet from Justin. I remember seeing it on a video or stream from someone else, so maybe that person made it up as a meme, perhaps it was a comment, perhaps I imagined it, or maybe Justin deleted it.
Squishy gets so tilted by demos. I’d demo chase myself.
So Squishy rules don't apply to RLCS? That's weird
I think its cleart that the NRG players are "Better." They do more when they have the opportunity. But that doesn't matter when they kneecap themselves by getting so pissed at players demoing that they just play worse, You can see the demos wear them down mentally throughout the game. Idk what their coach is doing but he needs to sort their shit out before they get traded. You cant be getting mind gamed this hard as a pro.
No Im not saying they should have won. They shit the bed, what I am saying is they have the ability to win and they wasted it. In most of their challenges when they had all 3 players they would win the 50s, and push down field, but they started getting so distracted by comm that they couldn't continue to play at that level. Fixing that weakness is the next step everytime.
as a fan of NRG, their attitude towards aggressive play is almost embarrassing. you're playing at the highest level, you have to get around the demos.
I agree they are one of my favorite teams but all they do is bash demos and say it's a broken mechanic but anyone can do it so it's not one sided just because comm is so good at it but it's a valid strategy and it l
Makes the game more exciting. I am sick of them complaining about it cause they can't get around it or it's how they lose
I've personally hit 41 demos twice in on line games. But I do appreciate 20 in a pro game. But it still isn't 41.
Got Comm?
its a mechanic like any other, but even that aside i don't blame him at all they had 40s remaining to score something. and in the end he ruined their mental and won (we all know how tilted squishy gets when he can't win)
Comm only broke the NA RLCS demo record, not the actual all time record so your title is a bit misleading
Demolishing is fair game. It is a strat for those that get too comfortable and position themselves to score.