the fact that Roma had the longest range and fastest shell and really fast rotation in real life, seeing it at 18 km range, oh wait, it is wg, history does not belong here
@@DL541To Be Fair Balancing The Game Would Be Incredibly Hard As The American Navy Can Get Quite Powerful Over Time, And Don’t Get Me Started On The German And Japanese “Quality Over Quantity” In A Numerically Balanced Fight It’s Just… Impossible
@@DL541effectively with the Roma and the Italian BBs, they do. The Romas were an excellent design, aside from their torpedo protection. But the ships suffered greatly from severe problems in quality control in the manufacture of their naval ammunition. Standards were very poor; it was not uncommon to have a full salvo of shells disperse significantly due to variations in the amount of priming charge in the shells. Even though the Italian ships had very good rangefinders, they were frequently let down by their ammunition.
If they focused on being historicallly accurate German BBs would suddenly be the new mainstream ships. German accuracy would basically seal club anyone. The Americans would also be seal clubbing everyone.
Sadly the Bismark is not correctly portrayed in WOWS. The Bismark actually had some of the most accurate targeting capabilities in WWII. Whats worse the Russians today are doing the exact same thing to the Ukraine that Germany did to them in WWII.
This is just not well precised and balanced game and it have alot more flaws while reality is a real game. Bismarck is the best in this comparision, the second one who's the closest to Bismarck is a French battleship while Roma and American battleship are pretty much the same. American ship is lil more powerful cuz of stronger guns, but Roma is way faster in moving and targeting plus it have a longer fireing distance which is a huge advantage in real life combat. However, Bismarck is technically the most perfected and balanced in real life, not to mantion his deadly accuracy and 4 *uckin' main guns. 😁🎉
@@axamesvcthe issue with Bismarck is the asinine placement of her range finders, which both her and Tirpitz had. One shot was enough to knock them offline.
Comparing an NC to those three classes is like comparing an orange to apples. Very different designs for very different parts of the world; IRL she'd have objectively eaten the other three for breakfast in a straight 1v1. Vanguard would've been a more interesting and logical matchup imo. Cool vid though.
The North Carolinas share the problems of many fully treaty compliant ships. At least the US were able to switch from 14 inch to 16 inch guns when the treaties fell due to other countries not signing / violating them. The British still built the King George V class with 14 inch guns. Maybe if the US decided to violate the treaties, design scheme D would have been built, a ship with Nelson style turret arrangement with 16 inch 50 cal guns (Iowa guns), over 40.000 tons displacement, 40 cm belt armour, over 30 knots speed.
Nice video but a hint to all new players, this may look very straight forward result. There are many more things are not considered here in this video. 1. Having the chance to Fire Broadside does also mean that you may be been dead after that shot
Richelieu is a little different beast than the rest. Sure, broadside, she's got one less than barrel than Roma and N. Carolina, but nose in, she can bring two more than N. Carolina (though, smaller bore) and Roma, and four more than Bismark. Lends itself to different strategies than the others.
@@SeinerMagestat The code gave me one The Hunt for Bismarck Normal Container, even tho I already finished the collection. But hey! Free credits from it
Bismarck was designed from the doctrine that the German navy would always be outnumbered on the seas, and hence more tonnage was given over to protection than any other battleship of the eara. Moreover, that protection was almost all put into flotation, rather than mission survivability. The final battle actually exemplifies the protection strengths and weaknesses quite well. She was punished early for her lack of protection given over to turrets and directors, but even with 700 heavy shells fired in her direction and almost 40% of the RN salvos being straddles, she most likely only suffered 2 penetration hits to her citadel (likely from Rodney, who closed to about 3km). The level of punishment she took before going down is really quite astounding.
@@BlackHawk2b Absolutely. I think, in retrospect, they probably went too far in that direction (not that it would have mattered in the end - no ship was immune from rudder hits). Without a damaged rudder though, she most likely would have been able to make it into range of Luftwaffe cover before the RN had pounded her to pulp - even if she'd have to fight off both KGV and Rodney.
nicely done. there would be things i would change, but in general a nice comparison, even more because it was interesting to know how my beloved bismarck compares to others in her class.
In terms of the pure gun performance, this is generally true. But there's all kinds of fiddly bits this doesn't necessarily cover -- speed, maneuverability, armor protection, shell dispersion, et cetera.
i love these games specially on mobile world of warships legends i wish in the future updates they add Navy's sailor crew on the warships to look more realistic
I can't log into my game, it sure would be nice to be notified by Wargaming of technical issues. I've been trying to get into the game since 10am Eastern US time and I keep getting booted from the server.
yeah again for the BIG SHIPS - why not 6 sec for turn the main guns much better - look take the SUB Marines - DD's and cruisers out of the game why do we have to play against such ships. We have nothing enymore to fight - you nerfed the SUBS allready and so many DD's. Many players will stop playing.
Not sure where you have got your facts from, but Bismarck s 15inch guns were of a low calibre compared to most battleships and at her sinking 15 battleships carried a heavier broadside.
Roma is a beast on legends can get dispersion and grouping really reliable and push her range to 20. Her offensive downfall is overpening defensively she's a great bowtank and a very competitive ship on legends
Don't come at me with the ""I'm wrong or don't know what I am saying" bull. I am only saying what one of the streamers had posted and this is only a matter of opinion but, Roma in World of Warships on PC I believe was voted as the worse BB in the game in comparison to its competition at same tier when comparing DPM, dispersion, and ability to tank damage. Again, this is matter of opinion and not mine personally. Just wanted to get thoughts on this because you do not see Roma in game hardly at all and when you do, it is usually dead fairly quick. That could also be due to the ones that do own it and play it, how many have actually over 100 battles completed and actually know how to play it depending on battle layout.
Imagine german ships would be able to hit properly, .. these guns are just frustrating, even though their secondaries are "good", u heavy reli on your guns, and those are just bad.
I had a lot of fun with old lady North Carolina. She just miss longer range for secondaries which fixed Massachusetts. Both very good ships back in the days, but with weaker secondaries, lack of hydro/radar or torps they are not superiors anymore. Very sad
Why don’t all level seven cruisers have citadels? Because on the battleship New Mexico, from 7 kilometers away, I fired volleys several times at the cruiser’s citadel? How is this possible? Or should we take into account that the game was made by cunning sh#@ ... as always?
Here a suggestion how about adding PT boats to the game. I mean they have been a mainstay of navies since WW1 and while they may not be used by the US anymore, China and many other countries still use them in one form or another.
Verdade seja dita. No game o Bismarck foi capado. As configurações originais são bem superiores que no jogo. O Bismarck podia acertar um alvo a 36 km de distância. A cadência de tiro, era uma a cada 18 segundos. Mas como é um game russo....
Those stats mean nothing when you play... BBs shooting at more than 15km... Roma, Riche, Bismarck lose A LOT of accuracy beyond 7km. The RNG for accuracy in those ships, is INSANE. If you are going to do this kind of videos WG... please show them in a battle. Take statics from players, and show that... it's not hard, because this shows nothing for real gameplay, where the Damage is not as close to those numbers, as it's hard to get that damage. It's pure luck in RNG. Don't show the top value, show the more often value, or both. Because you create a false hype, and players will hate that on time. Just watch your brother World of Tanks.
@@ChewyDickens i know it's for information. But they can show a standard shot, a more usual result. Because showing only the Top value, you hype players, and when they find it's not even close to what they say. Frustration will make them quit. And that's not how you get or keep clients
Recebi punição no meio do jogo pq não conseguir conectar que dava erro critico. ISSO foi falta desrespeito com jogadores. mostrando que foi nosso erros. Teste volta no jogo mas não que educação vocês da para gente? rouba nossa cara. fazendo denuncia inadequada que foi seus próprio erro que responsável e incompetente da sua como administrador e criadores de jogo. vou denunciar todos vocês e o jogo sou nick pcrjunior2 brazil. Me decepcionei com vocês.
Sadly the Bismark is not good balanced in the game.
Honestly I like this new type of video- love the different game sounds and the comparison between the ships
the fact that Roma had the longest range and fastest shell and really fast rotation in real life, seeing it at 18 km range, oh wait, it is wg, history does not belong here
I really wish they would have national characteristics built into the game.
@@DL541To Be Fair Balancing The Game Would Be Incredibly Hard As The American Navy Can Get Quite Powerful Over Time, And Don’t Get Me Started On The German And Japanese “Quality Over Quantity” In A Numerically Balanced Fight It’s Just… Impossible
@@DL541effectively with the Roma and the Italian BBs, they do. The Romas were an excellent design, aside from their torpedo protection. But the ships suffered greatly from severe problems in quality control in the manufacture of their naval ammunition. Standards were very poor; it was not uncommon to have a full salvo of shells disperse significantly due to variations in the amount of priming charge in the shells. Even though the Italian ships had very good rangefinders, they were frequently let down by their ammunition.
If they focused on being historicallly accurate German BBs would suddenly be the new mainstream ships. German accuracy would basically seal club anyone. The Americans would also be seal clubbing everyone.
Richelieu have the fastest shell
I love how you can see the Bismarck has had its accuracy screwed up as most of the shells landed over the target.
Sadly the Bismark is not correctly portrayed in WOWS. The Bismark actually had some of the most accurate targeting capabilities in WWII. Whats worse the Russians today are doing the exact same thing to the Ukraine that Germany did to them in WWII.
@@whpony96 Bismarck's bad accuracy is a game mechanic to make up for it's excellent secondaries
This is just not well precised and balanced game and it have alot more flaws while reality is a real game. Bismarck is the best in this comparision, the second one who's the closest to Bismarck is a French battleship while Roma and American battleship are pretty much the same. American ship is lil more powerful cuz of stronger guns, but Roma is way faster in moving and targeting plus it have a longer fireing distance which is a huge advantage in real life combat. However, Bismarck is technically the most perfected and balanced in real life, not to mantion his deadly accuracy and 4 *uckin' main guns. 😁🎉
@@axamesvcthe issue with Bismarck is the asinine placement of her range finders, which both her and Tirpitz had. One shot was enough to knock them offline.
WG used Roma instead the tech tree one because they know her dispersion is awful, right?
Roma is the better known real life ship.
@@Waldherzare you cracked? Vitro too Veneto is a real life sister ship that it just as well known to people interested in history!
@@Waldherz ummm, no. Most people with an interest in history know Vittorio Veneto at least as well if not better than Roma.
Most WoWs players are not interested in history. @@finol6127
@@Waldherz roma well known for being hit by fritz x, other than that not much
Bismarck and North Carolina compete for the best, but only because of Bismarck's secondary Battery
This is awesome! Please keep doing comparisons. It helps me pick what to unlock
Comparing an NC to those three classes is like comparing an orange to apples. Very different designs for very different parts of the world; IRL she'd have objectively eaten the other three for breakfast in a straight 1v1. Vanguard would've been a more interesting and logical matchup imo. Cool vid though.
True, but then they would have to act like the Royal Navy mattered to them.
False. NC had nowhere near the armor Bismarck or Roma had. Theres a reason the NC class got replaced with the South Dakota so quickly.
The North Carolinas share the problems of many fully treaty compliant ships. At least the US were able to switch from 14 inch to 16 inch guns when the treaties fell due to other countries not signing / violating them. The British still built the King George V class with 14 inch guns.
Maybe if the US decided to violate the treaties, design scheme D would have been built, a ship with Nelson style turret arrangement with 16 inch 50 cal guns (Iowa guns), over 40.000 tons displacement, 40 cm belt armour, over 30 knots speed.
@@emmanuelmedina2740 At least she has All-or-nothing armor and not that shitty turtleshit that Bismarck has
BS, IRL the NC class is inferiour to all of the 3 other ships being a lot slower and having less armour penetration with the low velocity 16"/45 !
Nice video but a hint to all new players, this may look very straight forward result. There are many more things are not considered here in this video.
1. Having the chance to Fire Broadside does also mean that you may be been dead after that shot
you are soo right Rootz
Richelieu is a little different beast than the rest. Sure, broadside, she's got one less than barrel than Roma and N. Carolina, but nose in, she can bring two more than N. Carolina (though, smaller bore) and Roma, and four more than Bismark. Lends itself to different strategies than the others.
9KVIKDDGC1 Fair Winds...
What does it give?
@@SeinerMagestat The code gave me one The Hunt for Bismarck Normal Container, even tho I already finished the collection. But hey! Free credits from it
Doesn't work anymore
@@JackYOgurl606 This code was available yesterday if you watched a streamer. Make sure you typed it in correctly.
@@SeinerMagestat Same here. Bismarck Container. Got a ship yesterday so I can't complain.
bismarck might have been lacking but i still love the ship
Bismarck was designed from the doctrine that the German navy would always be outnumbered on the seas, and hence more tonnage was given over to protection than any other battleship of the eara. Moreover, that protection was almost all put into flotation, rather than mission survivability.
The final battle actually exemplifies the protection strengths and weaknesses quite well. She was punished early for her lack of protection given over to turrets and directors, but even with 700 heavy shells fired in her direction and almost 40% of the RN salvos being straddles, she most likely only suffered 2 penetration hits to her citadel (likely from Rodney, who closed to about 3km). The level of punishment she took before going down is really quite astounding.
@@Snagabott i just think shes sexy
@@Snagabott Yeah but you could wonder what's the purpose of that if the ship is just a sitting duck unable to fight back
@@BlackHawk2b Absolutely. I think, in retrospect, they probably went too far in that direction (not that it would have mattered in the end - no ship was immune from rudder hits). Without a damaged rudder though, she most likely would have been able to make it into range of Luftwaffe cover before the RN had pounded her to pulp - even if she'd have to fight off both KGV and Rodney.
Roma the best ship
Lining the guns firing with the music at the beginning. (Chefs kiss)
Nice. I like this format way better than what you guys have done previously. Can you bring back Sea Smackdown and Warships Show? Those were awesome.
Great comparison, keep em coming.
nicely done. there would be things i would change, but in general a nice comparison, even more because it was interesting to know how my beloved bismarck compares to others in her class.
So, is World of Warships just having favoritism towards the Japanese battleships? So far we didn’t see Yamato or in this case Amagi take part
A realy pleasing cinematic experience !
You guys should do more of this !
Bismarck is just sexy. Historical and powerfull!
cant wait for 13.1
Powerful !
I have the Carolina, the Bismarck, and I’m saving up for the Richelieu
If the Bismarck was angled when shooting, the video would still be in post-production!
I bet WG had to shoot 10 Times with Bismarck to get one salvo that acually hit the target at 10km, Bismarcks accuracy is Just awful.
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I know right, I really wish the had more historical basis for their balance.
from what I saw the North Carolina was the best followed by the Roma, with the Richlieu last
In terms of the pure gun performance, this is generally true. But there's all kinds of fiddly bits this doesn't necessarily cover -- speed, maneuverability, armor protection, shell dispersion, et cetera.
But you just watched a game while the reality is a real game. 😊
North Carolina Easily
1:00 Well, would be great if gunfire would actually sound this great ingame.
That would have been something, they sound like BB guns now
Add the Greek armored cruiser Georgios Averof in the game.
ROMA what a beauty
and that's it!
i love these games specially on mobile world of warships legends i wish in the future updates they add Navy's sailor crew on the warships to look more realistic
Make more such videos! We want more!!
I really like this game
I can't log into my game, it sure would be nice to be notified by Wargaming of technical issues. I've been trying to get into the game since 10am Eastern US time and I keep getting booted from the server.
Its on discord
@@angryviper1 I don't do discord
@thomaswakefield6😂😂889
Then thats entirely a *you* problem.@thomaswakefield6889
yeah again for the BIG SHIPS - why not 6 sec for turn the main guns much better - look take the SUB Marines - DD's and cruisers out of the game why do we have to play against such ships. We have nothing enymore to fight - you nerfed the SUBS allready and so many DD's. Many players will stop playing.
Not sure where you have got your facts from, but Bismarck s 15inch guns were of a low calibre compared to most battleships and at her sinking 15 battleships carried a heavier broadside.
This video makes a comparison based on statistics. If there was gameplay involved, Bismarck would undoubtedly be the superior ship among them.😁😁
A fucking beautiful idea -- sound, graphics, everything!
Roma is a beast on legends can get dispersion and grouping really reliable and push her range to 20. Her offensive downfall is overpening defensively she's a great bowtank and a very competitive ship on legends
Don't come at me with the ""I'm wrong or don't know what I am saying" bull. I am only saying what one of the streamers had posted and this is only a matter of opinion but, Roma in World of Warships on PC I believe was voted as the worse BB in the game in comparison to its competition at same tier when comparing DPM, dispersion, and ability to tank damage. Again, this is matter of opinion and not mine personally. Just wanted to get thoughts on this because you do not see Roma in game hardly at all and when you do, it is usually dead fairly quick. That could also be due to the ones that do own it and play it, how many have actually over 100 battles completed and actually know how to play it depending on battle layout.
I mean it was neat to watch, but what was it for?
to compare? Angle of falling shells is for me very important info or how much time take rudder shift time
i've never seen that Richelieu camo
Its her permanent camo, can be bought in port using doubloons.
Poor Veneto xD
Will the Wisconsin ever get added to the game?
Yes, we have recently announced that she is now in Closed testing!
blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/506
even though the Bismark is the worse ship I would still rather use it as it is the more historically important ship
MOON BALLISTICS 😬😁😁
Great idea with that new series, please do more.
Thank you😁
Most of these ships can shoot upwards of 40km
Don’t you mean ‘Heavy Cruiser’ Prinz Eugen
I mean theres a reason the north carolina is museum ship and the rest isnt
I love how you can tell that all the americans cared about where the size and power of the guns when you look at the turret treverse.
I have a complaint about your game lying that when I try to create an account I can't access my account that I created
それは 各戦闘の ジャンルによると思います。 平均だとビスマルクかなと 思います。
where is my assymetric battle?
Those are some spicy meatballs coming out of the Roma.
No British or Japanese?
nein my glorious Bismarck on tier8 nein
Would be cool if you could talk a bit more about the design philosophy behind each ship, that would be awesome!
Roma the best ship A+
Nice video , but where is the acuracy 😂😂😂 Soon you wil be as bad as WOT if you do not improve the aiming
Notice they dont use Vladivostok, because she woule literally 1vs4 the lot of them
O Bismarck é quem aguenta mais pancada apesar de nao ser o mais forte! e a dispersão do Roma é muito grande! Tocera_hero UA
Well... I think North Carolina is the best !!!
Pls do more of these kind of videos
Richelieu got the best gun
Interesting, let’s see
How do you get the hololive captains? I dont understand how. It says they are back with update 13.0
Imagine german ships would be able to hit properly, .. these guns are just frustrating, even though their secondaries are "good", u heavy reli on your guns, and those are just bad.
Yeah, I wish they had more historical accuracy.
Shot out
it defiantly be worth using super ships in this test kind of curious how hanny stacks up aginst satsuma
I had a lot of fun with old lady North Carolina. She just miss longer range for secondaries which fixed Massachusetts. Both very good ships back in the days, but with weaker secondaries, lack of hydro/radar or torps they are not superiors anymore. Very sad
AMERICA RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
Why don’t all level seven cruisers have citadels? Because on the battleship New Mexico, from 7 kilometers away, I fired volleys several times at the cruiser’s citadel?
How is this possible?
Or should we take into account that the game was made by cunning sh#@ ... as always?
Does this game about warships on The Moon?! 😧
Here a suggestion how about adding PT boats to the game. I mean they have been a mainstay of navies since WW1 and while they may not be used by the US anymore, China and many other countries still use them in one form or another.
nice nice
Why does it go so quick, I can't read anything.
I'm still waiting for a Hannover vs Satsuma cinematic.
Excelente
Verdade seja dita. No game o Bismarck foi capado. As configurações originais são bem superiores que no jogo. O Bismarck podia acertar um alvo a 36 km de distância. A cadência de tiro, era uma a cada 18 segundos. Mas como é um game russo....
pfff
Those stats mean nothing when you play... BBs shooting at more than 15km... Roma, Riche, Bismarck lose A LOT of accuracy beyond 7km. The RNG for accuracy in those ships, is INSANE.
If you are going to do this kind of videos WG... please show them in a battle.
Take statics from players, and show that... it's not hard, because this shows nothing for real gameplay, where the Damage is not as close to those numbers, as it's hard to get that damage. It's pure luck in RNG.
Don't show the top value, show the more often value, or both. Because you create a false hype, and players will hate that on time.
Just watch your brother World of Tanks.
you do know that the object of this video is entice folks to get those ships, right? they will always show the top value
@@ChewyDickens i know it's for information.
But they can show a standard shot, a more usual result. Because showing only the Top value, you hype players, and when they find it's not even close to what they say. Frustration will make them quit.
And that's not how you get or keep clients
I agree completely. It would be best for the player base if WG followed your suggestions, which means it will absolutely never happen
Doesnt matter since 99%of the player base sucks ass.
мир кораблей лучше, там один советский разберет ваши 4 корыта)))
Recebi punição no meio do jogo pq não conseguir conectar que dava erro critico. ISSO foi falta desrespeito com jogadores. mostrando que foi nosso erros. Teste volta no jogo mas não que educação vocês da para gente? rouba nossa cara. fazendo denuncia inadequada que foi seus próprio erro que responsável e incompetente da sua como administrador e criadores de jogo. vou denunciar todos vocês e o jogo sou nick pcrjunior2 brazil. Me decepcionei com vocês.
^
Shooting a Vladivostok? Is this a political statement? Or maybe you're just jealous that Lesta is making better game development decisions?
which one is better?
mighty warriors