How to Fix a Future - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Cell Arc Part 18!
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2019
- Dragon Ball Dissection's look at The Cell Arc finally comes to a close as Trunks frees his future! How does it fare overall? What could have been done to improve it? And which of the two remaining scores will it receive?
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You know, the way Trunks handles Imperfect Cell in his own timeline sounds like it would actually be a pretty cool epilogue boss fight in an RPG. A boss from earlier in the game who gave you trouble at that point shows up at the end of the game, after you've defeated the main villain, only he still has the same stats as before. So now that your character has increased about 20 levels since last fighting him, you mop the floor with him, showcasing just how far you've come while playing the game!
I like the way you think
That's genius (≧▽≦)
doesn't that happen in every jrpg
Doesn't that literally happen in Legacy of Goku II? If I remember, you go back as Trunks and fuck Cell up bad after the credits.
Dragon Ball KAKAROT anybody? I'd like to see it
It is hilarious to see sad copy-pasted number 8 just inserted into scenes in the manga XD
Haha, good. I was hoping someone would think so. I thought it was pretty funny, and I spent a whole day working on that. =P
MistareFusion The first one where he stands alongside 17 and 18, he looks genuinely badass.
“In this volume, Son Goku dies. I don’t have that much sentiment for the characters I draw, but I feel a bit sad about the death of a character that I have been drawing for almost 10 years. I tried to think of other scenarios for the story, but Goku dying was the best one. I tried not to be too somber about it. But still….I’m sorry, Son Goku! Forgive me!”
-Akira Toriyama, 1993
From the english translation for volume 19.
Astral Turtle how the hell did he feel about Piccolo killing him then?
such a shame Dragon Balls exist. So he can bring him back whenever he wants meaning that it meant literally nothing.
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 I think this was meant to be a more definitive death than when picc killed him (as in, when piccolo killed him tori already knew he was gonna bring goku back whereas here goku seemingly was meant to stay dead permanently)
Astral Turtle I guess but at least Gokus deaths mean something. Whenever anyone else does it just serves as motivation for someone else.
@Kureiton not only that, but he keep messing Dragon Ball up with Super, the worst decision he made was bringing Goku back.
Your opinions are truly your own and well researched. Excellent video.
Thank you so much for watching!
Ah your now a shit piece pirate lmao
@Marshall Reed ah this is why i love you fans you guys clearly over look a joke i always call One Piece Shit Piece and nothing making me change it as None Piece an One Piece Abridged by PurpleEyesWTF i just can’t unsee One Piece ever again.
@AJ Michaelson it’s a joke geez you guys are too tight assed on a joke. 😆
Both of you reintroduced me to DragonBall since I had stopped watching it on nicktoons. Thank you very much for giving me hours of content that is both entertaining, and informative.
youre 100% right about trunks, which is unfortunatley the reason why they keep brining him back for fanservice...
the poor guy just cant catch a deserved break
Honestly I'd rather have a complete re-telling of how Trunks stopped Majin Buu from being revived.
@@ericbrown6203 they already did in Shin Budokai: Another Road
And they didn't even go full in force with the fanservice!
Like, in the Black arc, what stopped them from giving the ssj god to the boy, heck, even the ssjb so to put him on par with Goku and Vegeta while also introducing 2 new fanservice forms?
NOTHING! Nothing stopped them... but alas, Toriyama couldn't even bother to have that, and neither the anime, despite ssj god being a very easy form to access to, and instead, they gave him a bs pseudo ssjb form... boh...
What do you mean keep bringing him back? He's been brought back only once since this.
@@a.liguria2698 He was on par with Goku and Vegeta in the anime version lol
_This disection has really showed how mixed mash the characters and story in this arc truly is. I'm very interested to see the disection for the Buu arc._
Alpha Jay 3.0 it’ll likely be positive since it already being on the bottom of the list only leaves room for it to go up.
I can imagine some of his complaints. The period from Vegeta self-destructing up to the point where they fight Kid Buu on the Kai Planet feels like an overly long series of fake-outs, even if there's some good stuff in there like Hercule and Buu's friendship. Nothing really happens during that time period (aside from the growing death count, of course) except "Here's my new transformation! Oh wait, it didn't work." with the Z-Sword, Super Saiyan 3, Fusion Dance, Ultimate Gohan, Potara Fusion, etc. Basically Buu Tennis.
BlueMageDanny that’s such a commonplace complaint though. I look for him to gloss over stuff like that and hone in on how a lot of this could’ve been avoided if people weren’t stupid just like he did with the Cell arc.
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 my issue is more with how ssj3 is a slap in the face to vegeta. It makes goku look really irresponsible that he would put vegeta's pride over the safety of the planet. And him saying that it's his son's responsibility to beat buu when he and vegeta are both responsible is pretty messed up. Yes, the story puts the responsibility on them at the end, but still
Benjamin Peters well the story is just poorly written and makes shitty excuses for the shitty writing. But at least Goten and Trunks fighting has an excuse. One isn’t given for Vegeta knocking Goku out then stupidly challenging Buu even though he can feel that Buu is more powerful.
Your nuanced analysis of the Cell Saga, as well as Dragonball at large, is what differentiates you from other Dragonball commentary channels. It is clear that your videos are handled with care. Great work!
And profesionalism, Lance truly is the best Contect creator of Dragon Ball, I would love if we have someone like him in the hispanic community...
"That means of course that the Buu arc gets the 1"
whaattt spOilerRS DuDE
Yes how dare he spoil that. I wanted to rack my brain on that for even longer. On a serious note he had asked on Twitter if he should score this arc now or after the Boo arc. I voted for the former.
Chiaotzu doesn't get it.
@@superjetze who?
@@locke103 X'D
@@superjetze As insignificant it looks like to be (and it totally is, obviously), Chiaotzu still manage to appear, even for a little while (like a cameo appearance basically), during the Buu arc actually !
And it's straight up to the end of it, when Tien himself does of course, because let's not get crazy, how could Chiaotzu even be relevant somewhere if it wasn't for Tien, 'right ? -_-
The eighter edit you mentioned sounds like something Oda would do rather than Toriyama would. Continuity isn't Toriyama's strong suit.
@danieljliversLXXXIX Really ?? It has been by far the most ambitious story Oda has handled. And it isn't even over, so I think is too son to judge it. He is still the placement of the chess pieces part
@danieljliversLXXXIX Did you just recently start reading it or something? Everything you're complaining about has always been there, just in smaller amounts and dispersed over much longer periods. The Wano arc is bigger in scope than anything Oda has done before, and he very obviously wants to obfuscate the events as much as possible to keep the readers wondering and theorizing. This technique is only possible for him to utilize if he's already planned out everything to an extreme detail, and has a great knowledge of the timeline and what each character will do and what their motivations are, this is a hugely monumental undertaking and extremely ambitious, and you think this is somehow evidence of "laz[iness] and not thinking things out"? Just about every chapter recently has been creating new plot threads and setting up more questions to be answered, what you're essentially doing is complaining that the questions have no answers and the plot threads aren't resolved, before you've even given them a chance. I'm not defending the pacing necessarily, although I don't mind it because it's going at lightning fast speeds compared to some manga I've read, but your other criticisms are unwarranted, and honestly just sounds like whining due to impatience and entitlement.
For me I haven't personally liked OP all that much since before the timeskip, but right now this is the most enjoyment I've gotten out of it in a long time. Ever since Enies Lobby, I've lost hope that the fights would ever return to being creative or interesting again, and haki solidified that, so the characters and world building is the only reason I'm continuing it. Wano is very strong in that aspect, and I'm excited for the Oden backstory coming up. Sucks that you're not enjoying it, but that doesn't make it bad.
Your critique sucks.
1: at no point do we use the word "lazy" unless you have a damn good example of a writer not doing something because be's being lazy
2: off-panel events are for the anime's sake. Also they keep the focus of the arc in one place. of course being done off-panel doesn't mean they didn't happen or won't be elaborated on. Did we need to see the entirety of the Big Mom/ Kaido fight? No.
3: Your claim "things lead to nowhere" is one of the most BS claims you make. Of course it's such a broad claim with no specifics it borders on fallacy. You cant say "X lead nowhere" in an incomplete story anyway.
@@Ruldolphmaker by off-panel events, he meant things that happen that we don't get to see for obfuscation reasons, like Law being freed from prison etc.. And by "set ups that lead nowhere" he's referring to all of the new plot threads that get backburnered immediately. Personally I think both of these things are promising if resolved right, which I trust Oda enough to do given his history. Obviously his argument is illogical since as you said the arc's nowhere near done, but I want to make sure we're all on the same page and not arguing against straw men.
Wait. His criticism is that all these unfinshed moments in the manga won't build to anything sastifying(presumably bases off of past experiences; you do thik that thsir will be sastifying resolution(again most likely based off of past experiences. It doesn't sound like either one of you are being illogical.
Honestly, the whole "these androids are stronger than Freeza" thing doesn't bother me either, but what does is that like usual, Toriyama manages to go out of his way to make it not work essentially.You said that the justification is there, that their strength is dependent on the strength of the heroes, which would be a fair point. (And for Cell, it is) The problem is that Gero specifically skipped Namek. The difference in power is so massive, that if his genius can fill in the gap there, did he even NEED that data? It's funny that the justification given makes it less believable that this happened, if anything.
Hella late to this comment, but it’s kinda explained that Gero learns of Namek, SSJ and Frieza when both Frieza and Goku return to earth. Gero had his drones following characters of interest that he knew of…so without Goku or one of the others confronting Frieza directly, he had no cause to waste a drone on an alien that just landed and fought a kid he knows nothing about. That’s why main timeline Gero knows nothing of SSJ or Namek whereas Cell’s timeline Gero was knowledgeable enough to craft it into Cell’s design. And while I’m sure it’s unintentional on Toriyama’s part, it explains why 17/18 are stronger in the main timeline and why 19 and 20 exist. He made 17 and 18 able to crush Goku several times over but made them way to strong to control because he lacked updated info on their exact levels, so he made himself and 19 bodies that more closely matched their last know power for better control as well as energy absorption to account for any gained strength but due to everyone taking 3 years to train his numbers were waaaay out of date. In the Cell/Trunks timelines, he knew exactly where Goku was in terms of strength and only made 17 and 18 as strong as necessary to beat him…but still too strong to control so he’s killed before he makes 19 and himself an Android.
This arc lost a huge prism of possibilities the moment Gero died. He was the one with all the motivation and the instigator. I would have prefered for him to be killed by Cell rather than 17, or maybe even Gero sacrifice himself so Cell can achieve his goal or something.
@Jack Lake I know all that, but that don't change my argument. Gero didn't need to be killed, just pass the focus from him to 16, 17 and 18 and maintain him as background. Then when Cell came to be (because boss meddling) retake him with Cell somehow.
Same with Babidi to a degree.
@@TheAzulmagia True, but the Buu arc is different (to me). Cell arc is about revenge (Gero's revenge), Buu arc is about power: Babidi wanting the power that came with controling Buu. His revenge against the kaio-shins was really a secondary trait, so once he obtained that power his character arc was completed and wasn't needed anymore in the story.
You know I remember a game story in Supersonic warriors where Cell while waiting for the games to start
Dr Gero appears (from nowhere with the reason he always have a plan), he gets surprised that cell managed to reach his form, then he orders him to conquest the world, obviously Cell refuses and they start a fight.
Which ends with Dr Gero dying while being happy that his goal research has ended and Cell saying thanks to dr gero for giving him life.
That made me think it'd improve Cell's character a bit if they could meet once.
5:00 WAIT I just had an idea. Tao Pai Pai as #19. It would have a pay off to it being Red Ribbon specifically keep with the revenge theme AND COULD BE EXPANDED ON TO MAKE TIEN RELA-Oh right this is post Saiyan Arc Dragon Ball
Majin Buu arc: *chuckles* I'm in danger :)
If he's forced to go out back and get a hickory switch, it's only because he cares :)
@@ericbrown6203 A nice relevant reference.
Replacing 16 with Number 8 is so simple and makes so much sense, that it's genius. Thanks for this awesome idea and the wonderful content. I wish you the best in dealing with your personal troubles
I do personally prefer the Buu Arc to the Cell Arc, but I can see where you're coming from, where as messy and overly complicated the Cell Arc is, it at least always has something different happening to keep you invested, while in the Buu Arc, from a point on, really drags out the final parts of the story that can be a bit of a slog to get through. With that said, great video! Excited to see more!
I really like the Zamasu Arc shade really like what you did there.
God Trunks killing the Androids and Cell so easily is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO satisfying!
Fun fact : he does it ridiculously easily just like he did with Mecha Frieza and King Cold...straight up to begin the saga, straight up to finish it, perfect and complete circle (with a big hole in the middle though) !
Mistarefusion: The best we have is making Krillin a medic by allowing him to hold a sack of b-
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Acerthorn Senzu bean!! *kururin throws bean*
Yeah, I sure wish UA-cam would let me edit those in the slightest...
@@MistareFusion What are you talking about? I don't have enough subscribers to get monetized, so i don't know from experience, but I do know that youtube lets you manually place mid-roll ads.
Here is proof: support.google.com/youtube/answer/6175006?hl=en
See that section that says "Manage ad breaks in UA-cam Studio beta" and then the sub-section that says "manual placement?"
Oh, I've read it. I've read it many times. I re-read it just before I made that comment. But it doesn't work for me anymore. It used to. But I can't move them to save my life ever since they moved me to the new studio version.
@@MistareFusion Go onto the "Creator Insider' channel and bitch. I know from personal experience that they do indeed listen to feedback, if only they can see it. They can't possibly manually read every comment on every video on every channel for feedback. they only can read the feedback you post on their official channels (such as creator insider) or using the official "send feedback" system you can see here: i.postimg.cc/mkfp7fgs/A.png
2:11
That Zamasu Arc Shade Tho, I Like What u did there
kek... i hate dbs so much
Koumori Chinpo
I’m not a fan of it as well
I think it’s mediocre sequel & also disrespects the original Dragonball lore
I think my hate on DBS is something about how it's so Unbearable it is to watch...Including the tournament of power and goku black arcs.
I was mostly fine with the arc, I enjoyed Zamasu as a villain, but I think the arc really falls flat near the end. I think it has some of the worst of “Super” Goku with him not taking a situation seriously and makes very dumb mistakes he will hardly get any comeuppance for especially him forgetting the important seal for the evil containment wave allowing Zamasu to become merged in the first place and being ultimately responsible for Trunks timelines destruction and he is never called out for that.
Zamasu also drops the villain ball near the end to. Apparently despite the fact his goal is to be the one and only god of the multiverse, he did nothing to stop the one god that can stop him Zeno. Despite the fact that he had the Super Dragon balls multiple times and they are said to wish for anything with no limitations so for him to do nothing about Zeno makes him look like a complete idiot when all he had to do was wish away Zeno but he just destroys the SDBs got erased because of it.
Brandon Lyon
He’s Eh
Sealas is basically a Improved Version of Zamasu
2:10 *Toriyama laughs manically.*
He just had to ruin Trunks even further. Man I feel bad for him.
It's almost time for Lance to have to talk about the Garlic Jr. Arc.
He is going to roast it up nicely. That arc makes me go
Trunks where are you? Come save us from the tedious filler demoms.
Can't believe the day has come! Thanks for the journey through The Cell Arc, Mistare!
9 down, 1 to go...
lulu1997master who will finish first tfs of mistarefusion
@@dwaynejpeterkin
MistareFusion.
@@Gardetrace great choice see the episode going up by the end of the year before tfs even starts recording
Dwayne J Peterkin That didn't age well. 😅
Finish what?
Thank you, Lance! This seriously brightened my day. Can't wait til you cover the Freeza Arc in DBDTV.
I totally get your point of how much more interesting and effective it would have been if we had Android 8 instead of 16, but, at the same time, if the story needs an Android to suffer a cruel and graphic death and never be revived, I prefer that to be 16 than Hacchan.
Taking such a nice and heartwarming character from practically the most innocent era of Dragon Ball and giving him a horrible death just for Gohan to become SSJ2 would have crushed my soul. (My mom used to read Dragon Ball back when it was in its Red Ribbon Arc, what would I be supposed to tell her?? )
But yes, from a storytelling perspective, I totally get your point. It would have been great.
I think the point was that the character who was supposed to motivate Gohan into transforming, whether it be No. 16 or Hacchan, should have developed some relationship with Gohan besides them both loving peace. More importantly, I just think No. 16 should be more developed in general (but that involves a large amount of reworking the story as it is now).
would you have preferred Hacchan or if 16 was basically the same as his TFS counterpart?
4:04- I mean it would have been cool if instead of just Dr Gero, a character introduced in Z as always being in Dragon Ball, but wasn’t actually created back then- instead of that, the Red Ribbon Army remnants sponsored Dr Gero. However, they’re not a bombastic, loud army, but a subtle, hiding in plain sight, non-threatening organization- maybe something pseudo-philanthropist as a delicious irony. Then Commander Black (if Tao Pai Pai can be brought back as a cyborg despite seemingly blown to smithereens why can’t anyone else) decide on this more subdued route, decide on hit and hide tactics with the re-cyborg upgraded army in addition to the main androids on the Z team. And since it’s a large organization that’s doing this, there will be a definite paranoia fear running during this time as to how is a Red Ribbon Army member or not, due to looking like everyone else till it’s too late. They might even support Cell until the latter screws them over and kills the lot of them for his own amusement.
I like that idea, especially because it sounds a lot like the Dark Tournament arc of Yu Yu Hakusho. A secret organization of human assholes working in the shadows and sponsoring different bad guys to kill the heroes, only to get betrayed and slaughtered by the two main villains (essentially Gero and Cell in this imagined arc) at the end. And fittingly enough, Toguro and Cell have the same English voice actor.
Hell, bring a souped up Tao Pai Pai back into the mix too. And maybe his brother, the Crane Hermit is part of the Red Ribbon Army remnants too, finally making good on his threat at the 23rd Budokai that he'd be back one day. Maybe General White is still alive and is the one who revealed Android 8's location so they could kidnap him and reprogram him as revenge for what 8 did to him.
Ah, what could have been.
It's a neat idea, but it sounds kind of like another series rather than Dragon Ball, as damkylan said.
We never saw General Brown (or Copper) during the Red Ribbon arc. He was mentioned a couple of times and even managed to find the first dragon ball. He could've been part of Gero's revenge plot against Son Goku.
if this was the case then the Cell Games could have been more of a classic tournament, with guys like Black, Gero and maybe Tao Pai Pai on team Cell
The only problem with your DB videos is that, by the time one is over, I'm just wishing there were more. Not because the videos are too short or unfulfilling, just that they're so good I could watch several in a row xD
DR. GERO BUILT THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
Congrats on wrapping up the Cell arc!! Hard to believe you started discussing it almost 2 years ago.
I love that little diss to Trunks’s treatment in Super, seriously as much as I like Goku Black why they have to fuck over Trunks’s timeline again
A simple correction I would make is to make minibosses for everyone else to fight like One Piece does.
It’s not perfect, but it fulfills everyone’s roll as a fighter.
I cannot believe that you finally finished the Cell arc. I thought it was going to be #1 but as you did your overview I knew it was going to be #3 on the list.
I look forward to the next episode.
Exactly what I said great inferring on our part lol
Ive always assumed The Androids and Cell are only as strong as they are because of Freeza appearing on Earth. Cell has Freeza's DNA in him, and Im happy to let that be the explanation for Cell being born strong, since Freeza was too, and Im also happy to say that Gero was able to scavenge some technology at the same time he recovered Freeza's DNA. Im not happy to say that Earth, which is explicitly stated to be an underdeveloped backwater on the galactic stage, has the technology to build a fighter that puts freeza to shame in a galaxy where Freeza is absolutely dominant, without that technology coming from Freeza
I will note that I thin making DBZ an ensemble series would be super easy thought. Just introduce team villains like the Ginyu Force with the Leader ahead of the pack but not able to overcome all of their team mates, thus justifying their position as leader, and necessitating Goku having allies who are almost as strong as him.
I expected Cell to get 1, oh well.
Congratulations on finishing another arc analysis, what a ride! We are so close to the end.
As i was seeing this video i really thought to myself about this arc.
Your videos gave me a reason to think more about Dragon Ball's story, something i really didn't care that much before and seeing the Cell arc for me was the most interesting.
Something that peaked my interest in particular was Cell himself, the reason is because... He's not interesting at all.
At first he seems cool, he seems like a mysterious entity, a very different villain to the ones that came before... And then his backstory is exposed, no mystery, no nothing, his only objective becomes "i want to be perfect" and there's nothing more to it.
I myself thought of ways to make Cell more interesting and an idea popped up in my head:
What if Cell was Dr. Gero?
Think of an alternate universe where during Cell's introduction he tells Piccolo some basic stuff about himself, he comes from even further into the future, he killed Trunks in his future and he wants to merge with the androids of this era, Cell is very vague in his wording during this part.
When Krillin and Trunks enter Dr.Gero's lab is the point where what Cell IS finally gets revealed, Cell is an artificial body created by Dr.Gero using knowledge he gained from working with No. 17 & 18, Cell is the merged DNA of the strongest warriors the universe has ever seen BUT Dr. Gero lacked something, this is his first time making something entirely biological, he can recreate everything it needs to live but having learned this from 17 & 18, an actual human mind is MILES more efficient than anything he AI he can create, Cell needed the mind of somebody and Dr. Gero ended up with one idea, he himself went through the process of making himself an Android, this way he made his brain, his mind, into data, Cell was seen as a last step to his plan, once Cell was ready, Dr. Gero would upload himself into Cell, he would then use an altered version of Namekian genes to FUSE with Android 17 & 18, gaining an immense power update as a side effect.
In Cell's timeline, much like in the main one, Dr. Gero was killed by 17 before he could do anything but this actually activated a plan B of sorts, if Dr. Gero was to be murdered, his mind would transfer immediately to his computer in his secret lab, there it could continue to try and merge with Cell once his body is complete.
Dr. Gero being Cell alters Cell's personality a bit, he tends to make strategys, think before acting, his intellect helps him become a better fighter, he even makes plans on how to use techniques to it's most efficient (Maybe there's one scene where he uses the Kamehameha in a way none of the heroes knew before, or he points out weak points in some techniques he exploits to his own advantage, something like that)
This also makes Cell be a little more personal when it comes to fighting Goku, to the point where he is furious when Goku leaves the battle and makes Gohan Cell's opponent.
Seeing his incredible strength in his perfect form, Cell no longer believes even Goku can beat him, no matter how much he trains, so he challenges Goku and the rest to a tournament not just to test his own strength, this is one last insult to Goku, it's like saying "I'm so strong i can beat you at your own game", again, it is something more personal, which explains later on why Cell no longer cares about the tournament when Goku leaves, if it's not Goku then the tournament has no message, seeing it as pointless, he decides to stop playing around and just kill everyone.
By the end of the arc, Cell has fully lost it, his blood thirst as he cannot believe the work of his life is being defeated has made him go berserk, no longer thinking straight, he decides on "fuck it, i'll destroy this planet with all of you in it, and i'll conquer another one, i can be the new Frieza if i want" using his full strength in his last Kamehameha, the beam struggle happens and when he dies, you can see on his face how he just doesn't want to accept this as reality, after all he did, after all his plans work, he still was beaten because he thought he was the perfect being, something that couldn't be surpassed, and yet, he still was surpassed by a mere child, for the second time.
Early Krillin had a potential niche as a clever/trick fighter, with his fights against people like Chautzu and even Goku. In fact, I think the five-man band teased towards the end of the 22nd tournament had potential: you have Yamcha as a knowledge base / exposition machine (sorry...), Krillin as a trickster, Chautzu as a "weird" fighter, and then Goku and Tienshinhan in some combination of power and technique-based fighters. Probably you'd have Goku as the power fighter, focused on transformations and techniques for increasing his strength and speed, and Tienshinhan as the technique fighter, with abilities like his multi-arm thing, the solar flare, and such like, if you wanted to stick closer to the way the story wound up going.
I like that idea so much, and "redeemed" Piccolo would have made for a nice combination of Tenshinhan and Chaozu's specialities, using magic-based attacks.
Piccolo could have also been pretty dope as a "finisher" type character if Toriyama had gone all-in on masenkosapo-type attacks.
Honestly I think a good way to address the character bloat would just to have been limit the power divide and make teams of villains the norms. Some of the early movies did this but always just used the other characters as fodder. While an execution that would work I think would be Goku going in alone only to start getting his ass kicked cos he can't take on four or five people around as strong as his friends all at once, so they come in to take the load off while he and possibly his current rival/strongest ally fight the villain.
But that would require their be nuance to DBZ fights beyond "Goku's power level just got bigger!"
I really love your idea about Number 8 to be in the place of Number 16.
“Like Batgirls transition to Oracle” and then they shoved Barbara back into the spandex, demoting her considerably, because ‘shes most recognizable as Batgirl”. If that were true, DC, you’d make Dick Grayson Robin again, because he’s waaaay more recognizable there than as Nightwing. But nope, they made DAMIEN Robin, booting the BEST Robin (Tim Drake) aside to do so. And bring Jason friggin Todd back even though readers hated him so much they voted to *kill him*.
....I have Feelings about comics, okay?
And let’s make Cyborg a founding member of the Justice League despite the fact he has never been associated with the finding of he Justice League before and just ignore him being a founding member of a group he was actually associated in the first place.
The generally misconception is that Jason was HATED to the point of nigh homicidal rage yet no one every brings up that the vote was hilariously close 5,343 votes to 5,271. which implies that while there was a dislike for the character its no where near as clear cut as people like to make it out to be
@@rwg6357 Wasn't said vote at least partially rigged/sabotaged by a fan?
I'm a bit bummed to see that Buu is at the bottom, especially since Buu tends to be everybody's "everything wrong with Dragon Ball" arc. It's not that I don't get why but still. I was hoping it'd at least edgeout Piccolo and Cell.
Yeah, same. Partially because I vastly prefer the Boo Arc over the Cell Arc, which imo is the worst Dragon Ball has ever been.
Well, before GT, Minus and Super of course.
@@devilskind92 I can't help but agree to be honest. Cell is more sick in everything that's not the actual story which is really unfortunate. Nothing but bad storytelling decisions made squarely to duct tape and glue the plot together and do things that only endeavor to ruin the lore and build up. The Room of Spirit and Time, Trunks' warning just not being heeded, Vegeta's *Everything* , Yamcha being thrown under the bus because Super Saiyans are more important than a character that has literally been there since before Master Roshi or Krillin. The world of Dragon Ball being assimilated to that of the real world.
Literally all of the major developments just feel terrible for anyone who's been a fan since the start of Goku's journey on Mount Paozu. Real fans just get spat in the face the whole time. I have some *Big* problems with The Buu Saga too but at least there's the big payoff of Gohan growing up and then the story ending at another timeskip where Gohan has a kid which is very neat.
The day has finally come! Not too surprised about the scoring. Been a fantastic ride though recapping such a long arc. Super excited for what's next!
Man it’s been quite a long journey can’t believe we’re now onto the boo arc!
I'm really excited for the Buu arc. It's my third favorite arc in the series and I enjoy how controversial it is in the community
it's insane to think i've been following this series for 7 1/2 years now. you're doing so good, thank you
17:40 That is exactly my goal with my Dragon Ball fan writing. I'm 700,000 words deep and am on Gohan's high school arc at the moment.
The core team as of right now is:
Goku: The most well balanced fighter, the only one with no real weaknesses to speak of in terms of actual martial arts. Has the best control of his Ki out of all of them.
Tien: Has the single strongest attack in the group and is the most capable of finishing an engagement or turning the tide of the battle though it comes at the expense of his stamina ie: Tri-Beam.
Krillin: Has the highest Ring IQ. If you follow boxing or professional fighting you know what this term means but for those who don't Ring IQ just means able to come up with higher level strategies on the fly and download the opponent's strengths and weaknesses more acutely. He is physically the weakest and can't deal out the same amount of damage as his friends, requiring more hits on the enemy.
Piccolo: Has the best defence (both biologically ie: can tank the most hits, and martial arts wise, it's actually hard to take him down because his ears and antennae along with his Ki Sensing make it more difficult to land crucial blows against him.) He is the most easily fussed when it comes down to it and can be taunted by the enemy though he loathes to admit it.
Yamcha: Has the best natural instincts but his real selling point is his speed, no one even comes close. He can't fly as fast as he can dash but his dashing speed is insane. He is the opposite of Piccolo, he has the weakest jaw by far of the team.
Raditz: I have been very sparing in my use of Raditz but he is the strongest in terms of single hit strikes. Tien can deal more damage with The Tri-Beam but Raditz can punch and kick the hardest.
And the final characters I will add to the team when their arcs come into focus are:
Gohan: Will be the only one who can actually go Super Saiyan. (Super Saiyan is not readily available to Trunks, Goten, Goku, or Raditz. Trunks because he's not Vegeta's kid and the rest because they don't have enough active S-Cells. Gohan is truly one of a kind because he has more active S-Cells as a half-breed than Goku and Raditz do who are full Saiyan.)
Videl: (I unfortunately don't know because there is no precedent set in the source material so Videl has to basically be built ground up from video game footage that I go look up and building on her character in the high school arc.)
Goten: Goten and Trunks are students of Yamcha so all three of them will have a special move: The Wolf Pack Fist. Goten trains under Yamcha, Goku, Raditz, and Krillin.
Trunks: Goten and Trunks are pretty much neck and neck in terms of prowess but Trunks learns martial arts from Yamcha, Piccolo, Tien, and Krillin. When they combine into Gotenks their finishing move is The Chimera Combination - Wolf, Demon, Saiyan, Crane, and Turtle.
Wow, I'm surprised this ended up being #3 instead of #1. Despite the Buu arc being just as narratively all over the place as Cell, I see a lot of people giving it at least a partial free pass because of how wacky and creative it could be. And while I can definitely see where people are coming from with that, I don't think being wacky excuses the Buu arc's issues (and hell, it can actually BECOME an issue in of itself.) I'm interested in seeing how you'll tackle it.
And I'd just like to say that this is a great series you've got going. I wish more people on UA-cam were willing to take as much of an analytical viewpoint on past Dragon Ball as you were. I might not always agree with what you say, but you always raise interesting points that sometimes not many other people ever really bring up. Looking forward to your Buu arc analysis!
Future Trunks is my favorite character in the series.. He's like a tragic version of Gohan. He lost his father, he has his mother, he's half Saiyan and half Human and rides the line between fighter and desiring peace, but he DOESN'T have the luxury of choice that Gohan has after Cell. When he finally does meet his father their relationship is strained, volatile, and blooms subtly. Mid arc he even realizes his mission is futile when he finds out changing this past will not effect his future, and the only thing he can really change is himself. Seeing how different Trunks turns out when Vegeta is involved in raising him and in a world that's fate is not rested upon his shoulders is incredible. Not the biggest fan of Kid Trunks, but the difference between them is fascinating.
It was a long journey but I've enjoyed your dissection of this arc! Rest up and take care. Can't wait for the next one :)
i will never not laugh at "Piccolo gets greenballed" XD
It's just so great to see how you've been consistently making progress over all these years. All of DBD is great, but it's also never been better. Your work is amazing and I'm always grateful that you share your time and passion with us. Thank you, Lance!
Geez, I’ve been watching this video on and off all day long! It’s amazing, seeing how far Dragonball Dissection has come (I’ve been watching this series for four years now , and when I saw your superb analysis of the Saiyan Arc way back when, I knew you’d end up becoming a UA-cam channel I’d keep up with.). It almost feels crazy, finally knowing all the scores to all the Arcs now after being curious about what you’d decide to rank them for years. Especially with the Cell and Buu Arcs having been some of my favorites, I’m amazed I’ve found so much I agree with in your analysis. Rarely do I find someone as interested in the lore of the Dragonball series as much as I- and I’ve found myself fascinated whenever you raise a point I haven’t thought of. (For example, I always thought it was a bit contrived that the Androids were so strong until you mentioned Earth’s capsules- brilliant!). Anyway, just wanted to express my gratitude for this show- very excited to see the Boo arc!
GERO WAS ABLE TO BUILD #17 IN A CAVE........ WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
I was kinda shock you didn't put in the number 1 spot with how much criticism you had for it. Very much enjoyed your explanation of this arc.
And all it took you was about 2 years... still a good job.
The Boo arc will take two years. It isn't that much longer but it is in the bottom spot. So I imagine that like this arc there would be many parts where he roats his turkey using said arc.
THE CONCLUSION!! I’ve seen so many mixed feelings on the arc and rightfully so; never have I seen so many ppl say “it’s the best arc in DB!” and just as many say “it’s the worst arc in DB!” but I think I like it a BIT more than most, at least, a lot of its issues just don’t bother me...The only ones that rlly did was how the whole “let’s just wait for Gero to unleash the androids” thing played out and how a couple things went near the end like Goku staying dead but I said all that last vid. I don’t rlly mind the time travel plot holes or anything like that. And as much as I LOVE the Frieza Arc, I think this one kinda used (more of) the characters more effectively/gave them more memorable scenes. That counts for something, I think. Not to mention that Future Trunks is my favorite DB character besides Piccolo. Sure, Goku was shoved out quickly and everyone was waiting on him the whole time, but I don’t see it as a waste bc there was still a lot happening and being discovered while he was out unlike in other arcs where all that happens w/o Goku is the other fighters getting their asses handed to them. And when Goku WAS in the plot, I found it interesting enough. I think Gohan should’ve had a bigger role early on, but works as a 3rd act surprise. A lot of ppl find Mr. Satan annoying in this arc but I always thought he was funny even if he’s an asshole (for now), and his good side that’ll be developed in the next arc did shine through when he helped 16. I like all the androids, but again, think they probably all should’ve established sooner/whoever was gonna be the main villain should’ve been decided sooner. There are plenty of instances of “I’m making this up as I go along”, which I relate to, but unlike Toriyama, I don’t get paid for my laziness. All most ppl talk abt in this arc is the Cell stuff, especially the Cell Games, which I don’t rlly get...ok I kinda do, but then other cool stuff gets overlooked. The drama and unpredictability of the first half is pretty unmatched by any other part of the franchise, and the character dynamics worked pretty well. It rlly is a mixed bag, but I don’t think it was completely “bleh”. It had its saving graces
I consider it a 6/10 arc, which is upper-tier ok. Almost good. I DEFINITELY think it’s better than the Buu Arc, but that’s just me...
As always, looking forward to the next DBD, keep up the good work ^^
Oof, I wasn't expecting the Cell Arc to get the 3/10 placement... I'm quite looking forward to your Boo Arc dissection.
I'm surprised you never mentioned the relationship between Trunks' Sword and Cyborgs 19 & 20's powers:
Trunks, was supposed to NEED the sword and energy control and hiding to fight against the army of ki absorbing androids that C20 created.
Look at how Trunks fought.
He didn't use long overly ornamental energy attacks.
It was all martial arts sword fighting and only two energy attacks used. Once when he wanted a quick burst attack to get frieza into piosition to attack and a second one to finish off his body after he destroyed it.
He was beating entire squads of and 19's and 20's.
Ray Valor that’s better than the generic anime shit they did with him in Super. I was appalled when he did a ki blast off of his sword like it’s fucking Bleach.
That is something I never thought about before, but it makes sense.
There was _one_ other time. His final blow against his timelines Cell
I mean, none of that is supported in the text, but that's certainly an interesting take; I'll give you that.
@@mikeythegenesaur719 It's supported in the meta of Toriyama's writing process, not the story unfortunately. If you remember, 19 and Dr. Gero were the Androids that dunked on Trunks' future. The only reason they weren't were because of his editor. I believe whole heartedly that Trunks' sword wasn't a part of his design just to be cool, but that it would be an accessory to his combat that couldn't be absorbed. Toriyama scrapped that and went with the flow because chapters were already published, coming up with 17 and 18 (Who didn't have Ki Absorption abilities) after.
"It's so wonderful that Trunks has finally succeeded in wiping out the threats that had defined his entire life.
It would be such a shame if some unnecessary sequel 25 years later, treated his world as a disposable battleground and wiped all of it away"
-That hurts.
Shame to the duper
The #8 in place of 16 sounds like a great fanfiction and sounds kinda like what Kakarot will be doing. With Gohan and 16, kinda mirroring Goku and 8
I am honestly shocked. There were so many things you had a problem with in this arc that you had set up all the way back in the red ribbon arc. The yamcha cheating heart video, the "is goku a hero" video and so much more. There were many times you talked about a lot of retcons and how they didn't make sense. And yet, this arc got a three. Wow.
I know that there is a lot more of what you do not like in the next arc. Buu tennis. Wanked out Regeneration. Vegeta's sudden turn (Which you hinted at in your "Vegeta, Team Player" video). But I also know that you recently went back and on twitter talked about how when you went back and reread the buu arc, you found it much more enjoyable than you had remembered.
I guess that it is more likely the pacing of the buu arc, which pulls these elements, ESPECIALLY the power up tennis arc, and stretches out it out to an unbearably long pace, made it the thing reason why it is going at the bottom of your list. Until I went back recently and re-watched dragon ball kai, I forgot how long this portion feels. I guess in that sense, I was being too naive.
I am kind of interested as to your reasoning when you go through the boo arc. Either way, You surprised me. Well done!
Im of the opinion Buu’s regeneration (in theory) isnt as bad as Cell’s. For one, its not lying to you claiming Piccolo used to do things like this. Two, its actually part of the core threat of Buu. Buu honestly gets his ass beaten so many times but wins in wars of attrition. Between Fusion having time limits and SSJ3 burning off ki at an alarming rate, it almost feels intentional that what makes Buu a threat at all is his regeneration. But the biggest failing in the Buu arc is what Lance mentioned in this video, the only thing anyone besides Blooma does is punch things hard. They never try and come up with a different strategy to stop Buu and his regeneration, they just keep trying to punch him harder.
Yeah pacing must be one of the issue, also no new cool character, at least this arc had Trunks that everyone loved. Ultimately I think the Buu arc has the least sense of tension and old characters are becoming parody of themselves. This is my least favorite arc too, but I love anything Dragonball really, there is always some awesome stuff in each arc at least.
The worst part of the Buu arc is Goten and Trunks watching their parents get murdered by this monster but when they are Goten they just fuck around instead of being serious it’s awkward as fuck to watch even if they are children.
The worst part of the Buu arc is Goten and Trunks watching their parents get murdered by this monster but when they are Goten they just fuck around instead of being serious it’s awkward as fuck to watch even if they are children.
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 The Boo arc deteriorates after Vegeta's sacrifice. There is so much time spent on building up Goten,Trunks and Gohan. None of it goes anywhere. Vegetto is also irrelevant. At least he didn't get build up as he just appears. Which is the same problem the others have only in a different way. It takes until Boo reaches his final form for it to get interesting again.
Congrats on making it this far into the series. Keep it up :)
i almost cant believe it's over 😭😭😭
It's great to finally see the Cell Arc Dissection end. It's been a long time and a wonderful dissection experience.
At this point Dragon Ball Dissection has just been a part of me growing up and it's wonderful to get so far into it
The Cell arc is when it started to be noticiable how the editorial and fans were calling the shots, and not the author.
25 years later, this problem still persist with Dragon Ball, but of course, a lot worse.
The fans barely had any influence what are you talking about?
That’s too simple
@@bryanc7094 the editorial where messing with him though
God damnit FUSION!! Why do you keep making me see ways to perfectly change this arch!! This is one of my favorites but the number 8 idea is so good and so perfect that I honestly wish they did do that!
But I dunno just not a super huge fan of the Cell arc...for all the flaws I like the Buu arc more.
Same. Buu arc was more entertaining to me despite having as many problems with its narrative as Cell arc has. I think it's because Goku and Piccolo get better showings in that arc, as well as my fondness of silly characters like Gotenks, Fat Buu and Satan.
Cell arc falls apart because it's narrative gets too convoluted and full of conveniences while taking itself way to serious for me to just ignore the issues. It has some great moments but overall it's probably my least favorite "Z" arc.
@@42Caio This is minor but something about the curb stomp battles in Buu are better than in Cell's. Like Vegeta vs Imperfect Cell I'm like 'meh.' But Gohan vs. Super Buu, Gotenks/Picollo/Buu vs Gohan and Vegetto vs. Buu are really awesome for me. Plus I feel like with how powerful everyone gets by Cell saga inserting humor makes it a lot better. They're absurdly powerful so we need some humor. Plus the power ups are handled better, SSJ3 has an energy issue and fusions have time issues, sorta.
I honestly like the Boo Arc more than Cell AND Freeza
18 parts? That's 5 more than the Freeza arc. Which was the previous record holder. That took over from the Red Ribbon Army arc by 5 parts. Which was 5 more than the first arc. So the Boo must be 23 parts to keep the trend going.
Hahaha past me. Hahaha.
1:50 I love your sarcastic humor. It's very poignant that even though Trunk's initial story is leading up to his timeline's freedom from destruction, a deity won't let him free, and have him continue to suffer for the sake of dramatic storytelling. Explaining the joke always makes it funnier!
I can't wait for your Buu arc. And now that you are done, I strongly encourage you to consider doing at least a brief critique of Super as a whole, even if you don't intend to go through it arc by arc, just give us a rundown of your thoughts on Super.
Michael Miller he made short posts about each episode on his twitter a while back and has made a few vlogs on it as well. (Check his videos on the tournament of power arc and the super Broly movie). The general consensus is that he likes the slice of life aspects but not too much else due to not having a lot of growth or character development because the characters are stuck in that same 10 year time period between Kid Buu and Uub
The myth... the legend... the director of dissection! With another wonderful episode! Thank you for all you do
I'm guessing the Frieza TV stuff will take at least three episodes long due to the sheer amount of filler to go over. Given the arc adaptation is 72 eps in length, its almost a given. Let's review:
Hunt for the Dragon Balls: 13 eps
21st World Tournament: 15 eps
Red Ribbon Army: 55 eps
22nd World Tournament: 18 eps
Demon King Piccolo: 31 eps
23rd World Tournament: 21 eps
Saiyan: 35 eps
Better strap yourself in. On the plus side, that terrible Garlic Jr. saga is only 10 eps long, so you shouldn't suffer too long. On another note the Cell TV arc is 82 eps long (if you include the Afterlife Tournament stuff) and the Majin Buu TV arc lasts 88 eps.
7:46 I agree with that criticism to a point. The earth can have better technology, dr Gero could be super smart, etc, etc, but those are rather moot points in my opinion. Freeza is MILLIONS of times stronger than anything dr Gero had ever seen before. He observed mecha Freeza and then had the means to make something stronger than him; to trivilize him by the multitude of millions? Had he observed Buu, could dr Gero have made something that trivialized Buu? (yes, I think the story is pretty blatant about how much stronger each new villain is to the point of trivializing everything before)
I could have accepted it if this was still silly, humor Adventure DB, but not in "this-is-serious" DB. The nonchalant explanations from the earlier DB just don't cut it anymore. That is also why I think the Buu arc is better than the Cell arc. It doesn't take itself as serious anymore; the nonchalant explanations works better. Imo, Cell = worst arc, Buu = 2nd worst arc. It really should have ended with Freeza.
You are using real life logic here. Its not just modifications, 17-18 have their skill set + infinite energy to never drain them and Gero poured in his whole life to make them.
@@ripper3052 No, I think I'm actually arguing in the fashion DB presents itself, that is, how the power escalates and that it takes insane amount of effort to overcome, in DB universe (welp, you can't really escape "real life logic" when arguing). The argument MistareFusion disagree with I find merit in because of the narrative.
As I said, I have no problem with these "just-roll-with-it" explanations in the old DB. But somewhere along the line the tone in DB got more serious. And as the serious DB went on, things just got too hard to actually take serious because of how ridiculous it got, imo. Of course, that's all me.
I'm glad I found the Dragon Ball Dissection series. It's not often I agree this much when discussing dragon ball. And his favorite arc is also mine. ++
@@gjoerulv Please explain how bulma made Time machine then, what other formulas she inserted and the mechanism of it
@@ripper3052 You assume I don't mind the time travel aspect? To be honest I don't really think the way Toryama did it works well. It gets too convoluted due to several re-writes and retcons. All explanations are too convenient and simple for my taste considering the tone.
@@gjoerulv I can say the same for anything which doesn't explain how the Things work in a realistic way
Yea, that would be interesting to see, the team actually does direct team work in battle and out, and maybe put a crutch in Super Saiyan, I think Gohan not being able to control it's destructive nature would be good
Taking story notes from you is really well worth it.
I plan adding time travel in my comic, but I wanna be really careful and learn all I can about how it works so I won't make the same mistakes DBZ,Back to the Future, and Avengers Endgame did.
Nice retrospective. You sure made a nice point about why Trunks became such a popular character to the point he topped the final poll from the Buu arc even though he wasn't present. In regards to Gohan, I kinda wonder if his larger role in this arc it was because he was actually topping the polls in this arc.
I mean, I've been reading more interview in regards to some decisions Toriyama made due to fan response. For example, while Vegeta was meant to be dropped in the Saiyan arc, Tori kept him alive due to popular response. Same with the movies Resurrection F and Super Broly. Not that it can be a bad thing, but the Cell arc seems to be the one suffering the most of response.
Been waiting a long time for this thank you so much. About to press start!
My issue with future Trunks is that by the end of the arc he seemed like a pointless character. Other then giving Goku his medicine and telling everyone about the future what did he actually contribute after that. His knowledge of 17 or 18 never contributed to finding Dr. Gero’s lab, his new found strength from being in the time chamber did nothing to Cell, and he just dies during the Cell games. What was the point of having him in this story after he told everyone important information in the past other then telling everyone that Dr. Gero and 19 were not the Androids he was talking about. Maybe Toriyama had different plans with him had 19 and Dr. Gero remained as villains but had to scrap it when he was pressured to change the villains (twice) and his original plans for future Trunks was thrown out the window.
In a way he reminds me of Asami from Legend of Korra sharing similar issues with each other. like Trunks she is not bad character at all, but she and Trunks contribute so little to the events at hand of there respective stories you wonder why they are even there in the first place. There contribution seem to be more about giving emotional development for other characters (Trunks with Vegeta and Asami with Korra) but they don’t serve much of a story purpose other then that, unless you count Asami being the transportation of the show as to contributing to the plot.
That was what he criticized it’s Trunks’ story but then it gets hijacked by Goku and Gohan.
on the plus side, trunks learns of the wonderful mahogany utilized in the creation of king yema's desk.
I'm really bothered by the fact that Trunks has no relationship AT ALL with present-day Gohan for all of the details about how Gohan was his mentor in his backstory.
UGHH
Someone pointed out to me that Cell is the only villain we see get killed in all of his forms: Larvae (Krillin), Imperfect (Trunks), Semi-Perfect (Suicide), and Perfect (Gohan).
I guess technically we don't see the cocoon form die, but that's kind of interesting.
Yea but he doesn't die in his second form. He just blows himself up. It is funny though how the main villain gets killed three times in their own story.
Wonderful work, as always Lance.
I'm not a fan of the Cell arc in general, but it's peak are some of Dragon Ball's best material (Future Trunks' introduction, the mystery of Cell, Vegeta's Final Flash, Goku vs Cell and Gohan becoming a SSJ). This really is an arc that would have benefited a lot more from being planned out, as supposed to being written on the spot.
8:28 Nice Iron Man reference!
It makes me sad to see your review of this arc come to an end especially since this is the last time we'll see that intro with "Unmei no Hi." Looks like you'll reach the Buu Arc before Team Four Star does, and I'm very interested in what you have to say about it.
This arc was a clusterfuck which introduces a lot of my favorite characters in the series while being an absolute mess of a story. We didn't get enough of #17 and #18 before Cell took over the story, Cell expositing his entire plan ruined him a bit, I find the entire island conflict with Cell transforming to be boring as hell and full of artificial tension, the Cell Games hardly felt like a tournament, and Gohan being the big hero felt out of nowhere and unearned especially since he's shown over and over again that he's not ready. And don't get me started on how badly written Goku is in this arc. It makes me wonder what Toriyama's original vision of this arc was going to be like with #19 and #20 as the main villains before all of this (former) editorial interference. It may have actually focused on Dr. Gero's revenge. We'll never know, and I doubt Toriyama remembers what he was going to do back then. This arc could have been worse, but with everything on display in this arc, it should have been better.
If you read Torishima's bio on wiki it's clear he's a genius in his own right, and makes you wonder how much of his influence/interference made Dragon Ball great.
We finally know the full list. I feel like the journey is coming to an end.
I don't mean to be one of *those* guys, but yesterday my aunt and godmother passed away and I was in a truly dark spot. And today we had her funeral. I was really shallow and depressed but seeing this episode of you dissect something I actually love as Dragonball actually made my day.
I thank you, MistareFusion, and despite having significant differences (which I pointed out in previous videos of yours [like pronounciation and writing of characters' names]) and the ranking itself, considering that my absolute favourite saga is the Majin Buu one, I still enjoy and watch every single one of your episodes regularly. Even more than 5 times with some. You are a very dedicated content creator and I respect you very very much.
Love and keep up the good work. And thank you for brightening up my day.
That means a lot. This is only the second video and the first DBD video I've made since my mother passed away at the end of August. In fact, I literally finished the last DBD the day before she died. I'm sorry to hear about you're going through similar things.
@@MistareFusion It's fine, I'm sorry for your lost too. But we mustn't forget those who leave never truly are gone as long as we remember them in our hearts. Love to you and your family and may your mother rest in peace.
Well done, another Arc down :D
Looking forward for more!
Why couldn't future Gohan just have travelled back in time? Why was an original character needed? Or would it have been too obvious?
They never thought of the time machine until after Gohan died.
@@jasonone8726 I'm not talking about in-universe excuse, I'm talking about why Trunks needs to exist in the first place.
@@MorphBall1because if it was gohan they'd recognize his ki
Great as always, and excited to see what you have to say about the Bu arc. ;)
Can’t help but wonder if all the logical fallacy pileups made by the inconsistency of the writing is what made Dragon Ball Kai's ratings fall enough that the Cell arc was the last of the original run of Kai. Just a thought.
Now I can't wait for DB December.
While personally I would rather put Boo above Cell, I will look forward to the DBD of Majin Boo's Arc and for you to go in-depth on your reasoning. You're incredibly well done looks into this franchise always feel fresh and I look forward to a new part to see where we meet and differentiate regarding the franchise.
Nothing assassinated Yamcha's character more than making him destitute and weaker than roshi in dragonball super...and this after making him the hero in the baseball game and getting recognition from Beerus. The guy could just go back to playing baseball and have the opportunity to get rich...not to mention he was already shown to be popular with women in the red ribbon saga. Just cause he cant fight doesnt mean they should turn him into a joke
11:40
Here's something I just now noticed: In the top panel, #18 has an angular speech bubble. But down below, as she's flying away, her speech bubble is round. Does that mean she's now a good guy like she'll be in the Majin Buu saga? Or did Toriyama just fuck up like he did with Kami's last appearance?
Great points again you bring up. I so wish Dragonball had more ideas then fighting. Piccolo is suppose to be thier mystic but he does NOTHING!!! After this, oh sure he almost kills Babidi that could have been intresting. But oh well I have been Reading Dragonball Multiverse and I love the diffrent ideas people had for this characters. I do think people should acknowledge Toriyama is not a expert whriter, he is or was a skilled one. But he went for his ideas and they were not Always perfect and I really think a lot of people still have not accepted that.
Ahturos that’s the issue with it going from a mystical martial arts series to a sci-fi action series. Half of its characters and the concepts of the world were left behind. It would’ve been better for the series if it ended after the 23rd tournament.
Who can’t wait for the 25 part buu arc analysis
Honestly, the Cell Arc was my favorite for a long time. This series has made me realize it's far from perfect LOL. It also made me realize that the Red Ribbon Army Arc was Great! I've really enjoyed this series of reviews so far and I'm excited for the rest of the Buu Arc.
Update: as time passes and I rewatch this saga of Dbd, its probably bottom 2 of og db arcs for me. Flimsy story, underdeveloped character work, and not a lot of comedy until mr satan makes it disappointing looking back. It has its moments, and also its bad ones, so I'd give it a low 5. Mediocre leaning towards bad.
You should really leave your patreon linked down in the descryption makes it easier for people who just got interested to follow-up with support!
Can’t wait until you start the Buu arc. Been watching since 2016
I been here since 2018 so yea not long. I was missing out for years before then. The Boo will be the only arc where I'm there from the beginning.
9:55 You mention Cell and Gero being as strong as they are because of them gathering info/power from the protagonists (which I agree with) but what about Android 17/18? They don’t have the energy absorption Gero and 19 have and aren’t made out of the other characters cells like Cell is. I still find it hard to believe that random teenagers are stronger than a super saiyan
There's one problem I have with your idea: The 10th and 11th Movie tried strategic fights against Broly without Goku, and fans hated it. Movie 12 comes close to succeeding. It wasn't as bad as Super, where Piccolo engages in strategic fighting and gets sabotaged. I think the problem with Dragonball is that the writers can't imagine a fight that doesn't require Goku. The games are much better about it translating the fighter's skills into usefulness.
Fans hating the 11th movie is disappointing, as it's REFRESHING to see someone BESIDES Goku fight (and win), as well as see a villain whose something other than "Frieza/Cell v10491".
Incredible video! I’m surprised with the score outcome (which I won’t reveal here.). Amazing as always Lance. Holy moly this video was dense!! Both the Cell and Buu Arcs have the characters making incredibly reckless and stupid decisions huh??? Also, is it me or do the manga panels blur a bit at points in the video towards the beginning? Really loved the analysis though.
Fantastic job with analysing manga great arguments and good explanations.
I know that it's going to be a long time before you get to the next DBD TV so I will say this ahead of time. Most of the filler in the Freeza arc is bad filler with Bulma being mopey and whiny. Since the Freeza arc is the most well-known arc in the US, it has unfortunately defined Bulma as a character. She is the useless load that does nothing but whine and complain about everything. There could have been better filler. For example, the characters avoid flying to not be detected by the scouters. Instead of walking, Bulma should have had one of her capsule aircraft and she could be constantly taxiing the boys around and that way she would always be around and always be a witness to the events so she would know what's going on and never be upset about being in the dark. Also, while Krillin and Dende are going to see the Grand Elder, Gohan is alone with Bulma for quite some time. Since Bulma is one of Goku's oldest friends, this could have had a scene where Bulma tells Gohan "you remind me of your father when he was a boy." This could then lead into a clip show where Bulma tells the whole story of Dragon Ball prior to this point which would get new watchers up to speed on the story so far. Of course, Bulma only witnessed small portions of the Red Ribbon Army arc and the Demon King Piccolo arc, so they would have to be more truncated.
So I guess you're never going to address why it was considered necessary to censor Mr. Satan's name to Hercule like how you talked about the controversy surrounding Mr. Popo.
And yet, he is going to praise the filler because of nostalgia