Split 4 NVMe Drives on a Single x16 Lane on a Dell 7820 Ultra Speed Quad Adapter with Bifurcation
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2021
- Some what short video enabling bifurcation on the Dell 7820 so we can use 4 NVMe drives within Unraid.
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Finally!!!
Sheesh... After loooong research a and nothing clear, you just showed up over my right shoulder and told me not to break the computer, and do this instead.
Thanks a lot!
Lol in your defense this particular model is a huge pain in the arse.
Thank you sooo much I needed this. I looked everywhere and I couldn't get my bifurcation to work
This was greatly appreaciated as nobody was able to figure this out... now we have bunch of happy dell workstations running MS storage spaces on our NVME arrays.
Hell yeah!
@@SPXLabs does this workstation support intel optane dimms
@@iamroot4180 I have not tried this, but if it did, I believe you would need a Cascade Lake CPU
I rarely comment on videosbut this is it. This worked flawless on a Dell T7920 With 2XGOLD CPU on Asus HyperX M.2 with 2x WD SN_770 2TB drives. Will add more drives but I believe it'll work. I did a BIOS Update to the latest BIOS. Thank you.
The R7920 version of the T7920 supports up to 8 NVMe drives with 2 cpus. SOOO I think it would be safe to assume 8 would work in the T7920 also.
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Awesome! It works! I have a 5820 with an pcie ASUS Hyper M.2X16 GEN 4 card with a slew of Samsung gen3 980's in it.
That’s awesome! What will you be using it for
@@SPXLabs I will use it for cad cam, I am ordering a 16 core processor for it, it has a 4 core zeon in it now. But I have a question. I have installed win11 to a single samsung nvme drive. When I start the computer it boots into a screen to pick win11 or win10. But it takes a while to post. I want it to boot into win11 automatically to get the quick boot. But if I pull the drive bay with win10(slower drive) and try boot it, it finds no bootable drives. Do you know why?
It sounds like your windows boot partition is installed on the nvme drive. So now when you attempt to boot in to windows 10 it can’t find the boot partition because you removed the drive
@@SPXLabs Ah, in my case the win10 drive was there first so it has the boot partition? Is that right? So, I can't boot the win11 without the win10 drive in, withch sucks. >>>> Is there a way I can make it so each drive has its own boot partition?
Well it’s hard to say because windows gives you install options and I have no idea how you installed windows. Back in the day windows defaults to deleting any and all other existing boot loaders. Not sure if it’s the same with windows 11.
Great video I appreciate the information as I will be receiving my NVMe adapter next week. I have a quick question for you. I just installed 192 GB of RAM into the Dell 7820 and the computer will not boot it will just blink with the yellow light twice and then blink with the white lights a few times. System works great when I put the two times 8 GB RAM inside for a total of 16 but when I use all six slots full of 32 GB each the system will not turn on. Any thoughts?
Sounds like incompatible RAM. If you record the actual number of blinks, you can punch that into Google and there will be a dell support page telling you won’t those blinks mean.
If I use the Dell adapter card & install 2 M.2 SSD do I need to change the bios (bifurcation) or keep the same?
Hello, I'm looking at getting the T7920 with the adapter you're discussing in this video. I'm wondering about setting them up using RAID (e.g., 1 (stripping) or 10). I believe this is true given if you buy directly from Dell, they offer RAID configuration for the four drives in the adapter. Also, do you have size, model, and manufacturer recommendations? I'm thinking about Samsung 2TB, but I am unsure of the model.
If you want to do a hardware raid you need a license for Intel VROC. Otherwise you can only do a software raid.
The NVMe drive depends on what you plan on doing with it. Samsung is the easy button though. Hard to go wrong with Samsung
Have you tried the card on a non-Dell Board (Asrock/Asus/Etc) by any chance? I'm wondering if/how well it would work.
Not yet. I’d have to take down another server to check
I want to buy a 5820, I would like to add this card in a non-raid form for the store of the data. However, every time I go on the dell configurator I am told I cannot have it and have to go down the Flexibly route for my boot drive. Do I buy the system with the flexi bay and NVMe drive and then add the Ultra Speed Quad NVMe Adapter or another adapter.
The flexbay goes on the front of the chassis and doesn't seem relevant for the PCI-E device. If you want the Ultra Speed adapter you just select the non flexbay chassis (Precision 5820 Tower Core X 950W Chassis CL FMX) then the Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad Card with number of drives you want.
Hiiii I have 5820 with C422 chipset so xeon W-22xx serie, I add Asus hyper M.2 v2 with 4 samsung 970 evo plus and in the bios the only thing I can see is "storage mass" (not the single driveres) at that PCIe lane, I think the first time I tried the card I did just with one drive so I was able to clone from the SSD to the M.2 and both from it (not 100% sure considering I left the ssd inside the machine but the boot loader add a new entry so I think it was working. Thought this card can work on the 8x PCIe but of course I was able to see just 2 M.2, so seems I cannot boot from it, I can create a stripped volume inside widows but nothing over that. I saw in your video that your secure boot was disabled so I did try even with that but not result. the only raid I can do is with the other ssd on the machine but not the M.2.
I just tried without install a Linux distro and it sees all the drivers separately..... and on the asus website seems that chips set is supported but of course they list just Asus motherboards.......so i really don't know where is the problem..... machine is updates firmware and bios ....., I really hope someone here had the same issue and know how to sort .Thanks in advance for your help and compliment for share those video
Dude did you ever get any information on this? Because I also have a 5829 w-22xx and I have the dell PCIe card with 4nvme All are being recognized by the system but I cannot find an option in the F12 menu labeled “device configuration” in order to setup Raid 0 with all 4 drives. Maybe there is another way? Idk please help
Do you know ANY motherboard that can do PCIe bifurcation (x4x4x4x4) for 2 of their x16 pcie slots?
thinking...
16 lanes of pcie (x4x4x4x4) - first card carrying m.2's
16 lanes of pcie (x4x4x4x4) - second card carrying m.2's
4 lanes of pcie - m.2 boot device
1 lane of pcie - video card
3 lanes of pcie- other motherboard things/NIC etc
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40 lanes. Haswell XEON? 2650Lv3? or similar?
so, 8x 4tb m.2 drives with 2 redundant ones.. = 6 drives worth of storage. = 24tb?
Is this a reasonable thing? and also, is it a possible thing
I cant think of one off the top of my head but AsRock Rack boards say the do in the manuals. I was looking Xeon 4110s though. Not sure about something as old as haswell.
Can you do this on a DEL 9020 or 7020? Or is Bifurcation only available on newer generations?
I’m not 100% sure but typically you can only do this with CPUs and motherboards that allow bifurcation. So you need a cpu that can do it and motherboard that will allow it. I’d be willing to bet that those systems are incapable of doing it because they aren’t designed with that in mind.
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What is that Dell PCIe part number? Thanks
Will the Precision T7820 now recognise one these drives as a boot drive for Windows / Linux / TrueNAS etc, or can they just be used for storage?
Yes to both
Yes. I've got a T7810 and the only drives it has (from factory) are on the expansion card. No problem.
You have saved my bacon, big thanks
Hell yeah!
Is it possible to set up a RAID 0 with 4 NVMe SSDs using the Dell Ultra SSD M.2 PCIe x4 Solid State Storage Adapter Card?
I’d you have the Intel VRock key or whatever yes. I’m doing a software raid however.
On the adapter card can you use Gen 3 or Gen 4 M.2 SSD?
It should work but of course at PCIE 3.0 speeds.
Will this adapter PCI-E card work inside a Dell Poweredge R720?
I wish I could give you an answer. Dells manuals are pretty bad. I’d have to look
@@SPXLabs No worries! Thank for all your video content. Keep up the great work!!!
How to do same PCIe bifurcation on Asus ROG Maximus Hero XII - Wifi motherboard that uses UEFI Bios ?
I’m not sure. You’d have to check the manual and see if it’s supported.
I tried finding this setting on my t7810 with no luck
Is it possible that it may be named differently?
It may not be supported by that model. I doubt it named different but it could be in a different place.
You could try updating the bios to the latest version but I’m guess that model just doesn’t support bifurcation
Dell lists the 7810 as compatible. It's probably a BIOS update
if i install 4 nvme samsung 980/990 pro 2tb will I get all the drives, i'm using dell 7820 xeon 8168
I wouldn’t see why not
on dell website says mainboard 7820 support max 4 nvme ssd type 1tb on this dell ultra quad x4 card. I'm afraid if install 2tb it doesn't recognize the 2tb drive
Ahh okay. Well there you go, I guess not after all.
@@SPXLabs My 7820 specs say it supports up to 2tb per nvme on the ultra quad card.
I have a T7910 and I have the 2 nvme pci card, will this work?
I googled and it there are several links that say yes it is supported. The only gotcha is knowing which PCIe lanes are x16 and using those. So refer to the manual when trying to figure out which pcie slots are x16
Why did you disable VMD? What benefit is there to doing that? Any negatives?
Um I don’t remember doing that but if I did maybe it’s because I don’t have a VROC key
@@SPXLabs In the video, it is stated to disable it. I have the 2 NVME card, when I disable that feature, my second card is ~800MB/s, with it enabled it is ~3000MB/s.
@LibertyStanding oh interesting. Leave it enabled then!
@@SPXLabs agreed. The drag is, it fixes an issue with another raid volume being accessed non-stop. Seems like VMD is what is accessing the drive, because the noise of accessing the platter drives goes away with it off. Guess I need to determine which I want more, no noise or a faster nmve drive. Or time to rebuild that volume through VMD and see what that does.
Curious what your drives benchmarked as with it disabled?
@LibertyStanding couldn’t say, I’ve stopped using that machine and moved everything to a different system
can you boot from the NVMe card ?
More than likely but I haven't tried.
will this work on the t7910
I'm sorry I have no idea. I think it depends more on your CPU though, as in how many lanes the CPU has available. The BIOS must support it as well but I wouldn't know because I don't have a t7910. Sorry.
Is there an adapter card that will run Gen 4 in a Dell 7820?
Yes of course.
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Just remember that the PCIE lanes in the 7820 are PCIE 3.0 so whatever you stick inside will operate at 3.0 bandwidth.
Thank you very much@@SPXLabs
Can this card with with a none Dell system or motherboard such as Asus or Supermicro?
Probably but there are other cheaper options from Asus, gigabyte, and AsRock. As well as other brands whose names I cannot recollect.
@@SPXLabs From what i have seen on the other brands, none of them have a fan and air blower like the Dell card, thats why I wanted to know if it could work on non-dell machines.
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It never hurts to make sure they are getting cooled but they do run fine hot and in some cases they work better when hot than "cold". The Dell one should work however, Dell being Dell, I wouldn't be surprised if it somehow detected it was in a non-Dell branded system and then stopped working.
Thanks for the heads up@@SPXLabs
Will it work on my non-Dell PC?
Yea
Would this let you raid ?
Nope
How about Intel VROC Standard activation key.
Is this can help for raid ?
Yes
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Any idea on how to get the HDD LED activity to function when using drives on these cards?
Nope. That seems like a motherboard manufacturer thing. Best thing you could probably do is some software hack
how to set up Raid 0/1 ?
On the Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad NVMe M.2 PCIe x16 Card in the DELL Precision 7920 workstation, and use Intel Virtual RAID on CPU to create a RAID 0 disk array.
I setup up a software RAID 10. If you want to do it through the motherboard then you need Intel RSTe (vROC) software RAID 0,1,10 option (motherboard activation key). Which costs money and I for one will not spend the money to enable "hardware" RAIDs.
@@SPXLabs Thanks. Can I use four WD SN850X on this Adapter Card ?
Isn't this the same as a BOSS card? BOSS cards have RAID enabled.
Maybe but in this particular units case the only way to do a hardware raid is with Intels VRock or whatever it’s called.
WHAT IS BIFURCATION!? I would suggest a different title...something like "Dell Ultraspeed Quad Card - Enable Multiple NVMe Drives in Single PCIe Slot". That aside, I really appreciated the video highlighting the essential configuration changes needed to make multiple NVMes to be functional. AND to select the appropriately powered PCIe slot. BIG THANKS!
Never thought about it like that. I’ll consider other terminologies for the less technical folks whom may not have come across those terms before
Yes, it sounds like something you cure with an antacid. It's really just a PCIe splitter.