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my pastor LITERALLY believed the verse stating that "no man will know the day or the hour" of the 2nd coming. He said that anytime someone claimed to know the day the world would end, God would change it to another day even if he originally planned to end it on that day. Just to spite them for being a little too ambitious 😂
@@BasicLib God: Alright fire and brimstone here we- Angel: Uh, God, somebody predicted the end of the world would happen next tuesday. God: OH COME ON!! Alright guys pack it all away. Angels ready for a cleansing: Aww man... *Walks away sulking* God: Sorry guys, we'll just move it back again! Don't worry!
Cool, so all I have to do is keep saying it'll be "tomorrow" every single day, and I can delay the apocalypse for at least the rest of my life? Neat! Having the power to bully God is rad af!
@@AegixDrakan After all, by theological necessity, the end of the world is a tidy resolution to a messy problem called Original Sin, and a promise of salvation. Add that to the typical situations that spurt such end times fervor, and you basically encourage end times predictions, so you can assure your faithful that they will survive the tides and troubles
How can someone who studied the bible that much have missed the part where it says that no man can know the hour of christs return? (Matthew 24:36 to 24:37)
They also have a tendency to miss things like "treat others as you would have them treat yourself," "Love thy neighbor," that whole thing about shouting ones faith from rooftops, rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's, keeping business out of the temple, letting those without sin cast the first stone, and other such unpopular and no-longer mainline christianity things like humility, generosity, mercy, understanding, and you know, actual faith. Going to a catholic high school did more to drive me away from the faith than any other influence.
Miller, probably: "Hmm, hmm. Yes. 'No one' can know the hour of Christ's return. "No one" is a pseudonym of Odysseus in the Odyssey, a well-known text in the early Roman empire. Odysseus was a genius war veteran who made an epic journey across the sea, and I too am a war veteran who has travelled at least one time and am super duper smart, if I do say so myself. Ergo, the Bible predicted that I would be the one to predict the hour of Christ's return!" tl;dr: People see what they want to see, smh.
@@johnathanjohnson7483 kinda states even if you did know when the end was supposed to happen you can’t know what timescale god was referring too their-fore when exactly it is supposed to happen
@@kaltaron1284 Not necessarily, nobody said the lord would come in a day. Peter's just saying that at the end of it waiting will be worth it, no matter how much time it actually ends up being.
Plus Revelations and Isaiah noted down a lot of signs to look out for before it happens: wars, rumors of wars, metal birds (that one's kind of obtuse, but in John's defense there's no way he'd know what an airplane is at the time he wrote that), and more. I think it's happening soon, but soon is a non-specific period of time, and it's possible that if God let anyone know a specific date and time (at least now) it'd be much more tempting to do night-before-the-due-date work instead of just consistently working to be a better person.
Suggestion: A series about the Cult of Reason and the Cult of the Supreme Being, created during the French Revolution. One or three episodes would be enough to cover it.
I was raised Seventh-day-Adventist and we were taught this story as gospel over and over, (though from a rather different point of view.) I used to confuse the Great Disappointment with the Great Depression. After the events in this video, the Seventh-day-Adventists explained that on October 22nd, 1844, God had moved from one chamber into another, and had begun the final judgement of humanity. Like so many other things in the Bible, this didn't exactly make sense considering the fact that they were teaching that God was everywhere and had always been judging people, but they explained the last part as, "well now he's judging people even more!" and they sent me to the corner for questioning them. I was in trouble a lot in my religious grade school.
I've never seen Miller's chart, so I won't speculate on what he missed. But I know one thing that Snow missed for sure: “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matthew 24:36, a direct quote from Jesus about the second coming that should have warned him not to make predictions about the exact day.
Surprise inspections don't work if the people you're inspecting know to clean up just before you come by. So it is in fast food, so it is in Christ. (I'm being silly here. Don't take me seriously)
The premise of the world ending is that to those who fervently believed until the very end, they'd be rewarded for their faith and those who didn't be punished forever. Basically what the last parts of the Book of Revelation describes. I remember the Simpsons making an entire episode about that and the its consequences...
@LeoTheBritish-Eurasian you have to realize they thought they were getting to go to heaven. they had sold most of what they owned to spread the word hadn't harvested crops. many of them went hungry and had to rely on neighbors charity, the worst thing to do, all while eating crow about being wrong. some of them still try to predict the date every few years. i left but after 3-4 false alarms i still dont know how they take it seriously
In his deciphering of the Bible... in EVERY deciphering of the Bible aimed at finding the date or time, HOW do people keep missing the following? "Noone knows the day or the hour" Or even WORSE, the statement that Christ HIMSELF doesn't know when he's coming back... But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Millerites: So, when are you coming back? Jesus: I told you over 2000 years ago, I DON'T KNOW! For the love of Dad, can you PLEASE read the book my friend Matt wrote! He was sitting RIGHT THERE when I said it!
I had heard of the Millerites and the "Great Disappointment," and I had heard of the Seventh-Day Adventists but I had no idea that they were connected. Interesting!
@@geckoo9190 the seventh day is Saturday not Sunday. Saturday is the sabbath day/day of rest at the end of the week and Sunday is the new sabbath day at the start of the week.
"When he's good and ready" is literally what the Bible says, too: "Like a thief in the night, you will not know when he is coming, until he is already here".
Have you seen Knowing Better's video on the subject? It is quite intriguing, too, and a lot more complex, since his videos are longer. Not dissing on De Extra Credits, I love this channel, bit lenght of video affect how much can be said.
I suggest Eric Flint's Alexander Inheritance series A ship from 2017 ends up in 321 BCE. The Ancient civilizations now have Gunpowder Weapons and started the Industrial Revolution. Christianity and Islam never become dominant religions
Today is October 22, 2023, which marks the 179th year since the predicted calculations of William Miller failed to materialize. *Happy Great Disappointment Day!*
It just goes to show that no matter how clever or well reasoned you might think you are, no matter how skeptical you try to be, and no matter the number of people who you can convince, you are not immune to being swept up in hype.
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I've never understood why these guys completely ignore Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Even again at Matthew 24:42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."
Hubris. People like these guys just cannot stand the idea that someone knows better than themselves. They are essentially the kids that stick beans in their ears and need to be taken to the hospital to get them out, even though Mom and Dad told them exactly that would happen.
Former SDA here. Its fascinating they focus so heavily on miller. so much so i didn't know about snow. also for those interested they interpret the disappointment as Christ entering the holiest place of the heavenly temple to begin judgement.
I think it likely have to do with Snow being a bit unstable in older days, like claiming he was Elijah. Miller's prediction can rather easily be explained away with him missing something, making a calculation error or maybe counting from the wrong point (maybe Jesus birth or death instead of the rebuilding of Jerusalem?) History is however full of people who have used cryptic passages in the Bible to predict world events and their track record so far is rather bad for future event.
Lesson to be learned "“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." - Matthew 24:36-24:37 ya we dont know that second coming happening gonna be real with ya.
I am surprise you didn't mention the cousin to Seventh Day Adventist: the Jehovah Witness. As the founder of the "Bible Student" movement, Charles Taze Russell later stated that "I confess indebtedness to Adventists as well as to other denominations", as it did started out as an Adventist Bible study group.
This was a nice introduction to the topic, but Knowing Better made an AMAZING series of videos on the Great Disappointment and the history of all the sects and religions that sprung out of it. I would definitely recommend as a follow up.
Yep! Still looking forward to an eventual video of his video on Seventh-day Adventists as the main focus. But his latest video on "Neoslavery" is simply phenomenal!
William Miller published a pamphlet in 1833 and a book of lectures in 1836, the first of many publications. Principal organs of the Millerite movement were the Signs of the Times (Boston) and the Midnight Cry (New York). Miller estimated that between 50,000 and 100,000 believed in his views. When 1843 passed, some of his associates set Oct.
Yes he studied every chapter of the bible front to back to determine the end of the world. Except he decided to skip this one chapter. I think it was Matthew 24:36? No real reason, probably not important...
The concept of a 'great dissapointment' is interesting. But afaik most of the religions that sprung from it just kept predicting new dates untill that got too silly and it became just 'soon'. Nobody seems to have really learned anything from it 😔
One of the groups had predicted it would happen in 1914. Not gonna name it here LOL. Thing is, when nothing seemed to show in the real world, they never changed their song; instead, they said, "Oh, it happened, but the only people who noticed were the true believers; the rest of us are living in hell."
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"Wee Willie Winkie rins through the town, Up stairs and doon stairs in his nicht-gown, Tirling at the window, crying at the lock, "Are the weans in their bed, for it's now ten o'clock?" -William Miller,
SDA here. Great to see Extra History cover a topic that is relevant for my church :D And yes, the Millerites had an explaination for the matt 24:36 passage I just don't rememeber it now. I think it had something to do with the parable of the wise and foolish virgins.
These looming doomsday prophecies seem to pop up in pretty much every generation simply because there is a desire/need/market for them. Think Nosferatu, QAnon, Rasputin, or the whole 2K Mayan calendar thing. Some people crave drama and a sense of purpose.
People also kind of have trouble conceiving of the world going on without them and eventually completely forgetting them after their death. Someone once said this about death: "It's not death itself that upsets us. It's the concept of the story of our lives not having a resolution or a conclusion". and it kinda rings true.
The second coming of Jesus is just a long running doomsday myth. It is there to keep the flock pinned. "Be good children, for I could return at any point and judge you for your (mis)deeds." Every Teacher and Parent knows this tool. So do other authority figures, corporate bosses and intrusive governments. Perhaps that's why the Second Coming continues to hold the grip it does. It's so... parental. People who want the Rapture, just want the thrill of being able to taddle on their "naughty" siblings (aka anyone who doesn't conform to their ideology and world view).
The standard day=year justification is Ezekiel 4:6 - “I have appointed thee each day for a year.” And also somewhere in numbers. Neither obviously linked to prophecy, but an easy deduction for such a man of reason.
Thanks for posting this on Sabbath 🤣. Yeah the SDA church has weird roots. It’s kind of weird in general, also Miller seems to have taken the fall for the Great Disappointment moreso than Snow
You can see a movie the Adventists made about it that really captured the spirit of the time. It’s called Tell the World, and despite some act two problems, it’s pretty good.
for such a funny story this is probably one of the better "we're in the Darkest timeline" examples, as many of the religions that were continuations of this way of thinking still persist to this day and are closer to QAnon than anything else.
In a way, the world did end for William Miller and Samuel Snow at their specified dates. When no one came at the 'Second Coming', their life's work, the worlds they built, their pride and achievements, crumbled before them.
As a seventh day adventist myself I was pretty excited to see a episode on this! From our perspective the date was correct(days = years is something common in prophetic intepretation) but the event was misintepreted, the "sanctuary" wasnt the earth but rather the heavenly sanctuary that the original tabernacle from the Exodus was fashioned off.
Yeah boi! Totally agree this is a story I believe needs to get out there especially as many more predictions of Jesus's return pop up during every global event.
I can't believe that they really thought that, didn't the Bible literally say no man can know the hour or the day? Also, I'm surprised no one claimed Jesus came back BUT we just don't know where he is yet.
My theory is that some of them, at least, understand Jesus' teachings well enough to know the standards that they *should* be working to live up to -- you know, all that silly stuff about standing up against injustice and loving they neighbor and helping those who are suffering. But instead of stepping up to do what's right, here in the real world, they'd rather fantasize about being Godly action heroes. (I assume this was why the "Left Behind" books sold as well as they did.)
As everyone has been quoting the obvious "no man shall know the day" yada yada verse I shall point out that many of the orthodox churches Greek Orthodox/ Roman Catholic and staunch Protestant churches would treat this type of interpretation as numerology/fortelling the future and as such a form of witchcraft and strictly forbidden.
I'm not sure if they would call it "witchceaft" exactly, but yeah, divination was usually frowned upon, and when done using the Bible it would probably be seen as tantamount to heresy.
It’s really interesting in how during this time (first half of the 19th century) there was a lot of new theological discussion especially around the second coming. You had the millerites and others like Darby who developed the idea of the rapture
Considering Mormons started around the same place and time as this, I was curious how they factored into this. From what I gathered from Googling it, it seems Joseph Smith didn't believe in this stuff, though some LDS members did.
So, did Miller actually check the original translation about the 2300 days thing, or was he just taking it on faith that this was the case? I mean, it's not like the Latin or even Hebrew texts were missing. He literally could've asked a single Catholic bishop, or even rabbi, to check his math.
@@cygnahoshiko4629 There were a few Protestants in the early 1800s who knew and understood Hebrew just as well as many Jewish Rabbi and Roman Catholic priests. Furthermore, there wasn't a well-educated man in America at the time who hadn't read the entire Bible.
@@Mystictiki I'm sure they had! Miller was not an uneducated man. But many Protestants of the time (and...this time) considered Catholics non-Christians and Jews sub-human, and would *never* admit that they might have anything to add to a Biblical discussion. (Admittedly, a rabbi wouldn't have any special knowledge about the Christian Testament, for obvious reasons. But we LOVE doing stupid math about things not meant to have math done to them. Look up "gematriya".)
@@cygnahoshiko4629 Most Protestant confessions such as the Westminster Confession and the very similar 1689 Second London Baptist Confession explicitly refer to the Papacy as an Antichrist. Admittedly, I had Hugenot ancestors who fled from France and also ended up fleeing Maryland because the Roman Catholic Church was just as completely intolerant if not more so depending largely upon the location.
The Baha'i faith believes that Miller's prediction was fulfilled by the declaration of the Bab in 1844, but, I mean, couldn't he have just seen all the fuss and said "why not start a religion?"
Oh my Goodness!! My Church is based off of this!! I can’t believe it! I’ve never seen a secular resource reference this before! I am literally shocked 😮! Excited too! (edit: Seventh Day Adventist here!)
it's just so interesting as to how belief works on a personal level that they kept saying it will happen soon, and also interesting that the "masses" despite usually being seen as unquestioning, where more reasonable than the leaders
*Meanwhile, in the Vatican:* Pope: "THEY DID WHAT!?" Bishop: *Holding a chuckle* "They said that the bible could be interpreted with science..." *both of them start wheezing and laughing uncontrollably.* "Not only that, your holiness, but they predicted the second coming of Jesus to be imminent!" *they laugh too much, the Pope fall from his chair.* "Oh my lord... these heretics are so damn funny, i sometimes think that we did good not to burn Luther so to have these idiots running around..." *they keep on laughing and a new joke will be all the clamour in the hallways of the Vatican for months to come.*
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No man knoweth the day or the hour, but he is returning.
i love this video
I wish the Ancient Sumerians focused more on Industrialization rather than Religion
Then humanity would be much better off
have you guys ever heard of May 2011??? search for it...Harold Camping
my pastor LITERALLY believed the verse stating that "no man will know the day or the hour" of the 2nd coming. He said that anytime someone claimed to know the day the world would end, God would change it to another day even if he originally planned to end it on that day. Just to spite them for being a little too ambitious 😂
Rando: the end is near
God: no it ain’t
@@typemasters2871 epic trolling
So that means a long as people keep predicting, the show will go on
@@BasicLib God: Alright fire and brimstone here we-
Angel: Uh, God, somebody predicted the end of the world would happen next tuesday.
God: OH COME ON!! Alright guys pack it all away.
Angels ready for a cleansing: Aww man... *Walks away sulking*
God: Sorry guys, we'll just move it back again! Don't worry!
Cool, so all I have to do is keep saying it'll be "tomorrow" every single day, and I can delay the apocalypse for at least the rest of my life? Neat!
Having the power to bully God is rad af!
@@FistoftheSnackBar Basically the rapture will happen when everybody loses faith that it will happen
"The great disappointment"
I didn't ever expect to get my own Extra Credits episode
oof
Damn, you beat me to it! 🤣
omg… umm… damn, idk what to say…
You are not a great disappointment since atleast millerites expected the second coming, your parents didn't expect you.
I too felt this 😂
Ironically, predicting the end of the world is directly stated as impossible in the Bible and even as heresy in many churches
And yet some people STILL keep trying. XD
@@AegixDrakan After all, by theological necessity, the end of the world is a tidy resolution to a messy problem called Original Sin, and a promise of salvation. Add that to the typical situations that spurt such end times fervor, and you basically encourage end times predictions, so you can assure your faithful that they will survive the tides and troubles
@@chewxieyang4677 *prot necessity
How can someone who studied the bible that much have missed the part where it says that no man can know the hour of christs return? (Matthew 24:36 to 24:37)
Ni idea bro, y parece tan obvio
They also have a tendency to miss things like "treat others as you would have them treat yourself," "Love thy neighbor," that whole thing about shouting ones faith from rooftops, rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's, keeping business out of the temple, letting those without sin cast the first stone, and other such unpopular and no-longer mainline christianity things like humility, generosity, mercy, understanding, and you know, actual faith.
Going to a catholic high school did more to drive me away from the faith than any other influence.
Tbf, there are many who've claimed to have studied the Bible yet miss out on so much in it.
the same is said in quran about the second coming of jesus and of the last hour by the signs that will come before.
Miller, probably: "Hmm, hmm. Yes. 'No one' can know the hour of Christ's return. "No one" is a pseudonym of Odysseus in the Odyssey, a well-known text in the early Roman empire. Odysseus was a genius war veteran who made an epic journey across the sea, and I too am a war veteran who has travelled at least one time and am super duper smart, if I do say so myself. Ergo, the Bible predicted that I would be the one to predict the hour of Christ's return!"
tl;dr: People see what they want to see, smh.
Apparently Miller missed the bit where Jesus literally says that no one but God knows when the last day comes. Matthew 24:36 for anyone curious.
@@johnathanjohnson7483 That would still give us a maximum timespan for the Second Coming although a pretty generous one.
no, he missed the part where you have to add the fishes
@@johnathanjohnson7483 kinda states even if you did know when the end was supposed to happen you can’t know what timescale god was referring too their-fore when exactly it is supposed to happen
@@kaltaron1284 Not necessarily, nobody said the lord would come in a day. Peter's just saying that at the end of it waiting will be worth it, no matter how much time it actually ends up being.
Plus Revelations and Isaiah noted down a lot of signs to look out for before it happens: wars, rumors of wars, metal birds (that one's kind of obtuse, but in John's defense there's no way he'd know what an airplane is at the time he wrote that), and more. I think it's happening soon, but soon is a non-specific period of time, and it's possible that if God let anyone know a specific date and time (at least now) it'd be much more tempting to do night-before-the-due-date work instead of just consistently working to be a better person.
Suggestion: A series about the Cult of Reason and the Cult of the Supreme Being, created during the French Revolution. One or three episodes would be enough to cover it.
Eventually 5 could be good enough
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This sounds like an excellent idea.
I was raised Seventh-day-Adventist and we were taught this story as gospel over and over, (though from a rather different point of view.) I used to confuse the Great Disappointment with the Great Depression. After the events in this video, the Seventh-day-Adventists explained that on October 22nd, 1844, God had moved from one chamber into another, and had begun the final judgement of humanity. Like so many other things in the Bible, this didn't exactly make sense considering the fact that they were teaching that God was everywhere and had always been judging people, but they explained the last part as, "well now he's judging people even more!" and they sent me to the corner for questioning them. I was in trouble a lot in my religious grade school.
Oh geeze I forgot that's still a thing that happens. I'm sorry you had to go through that it sounds like a nightmare.
😂 Question everything!
Which school? Fellow former sda and I'm curious
I'm pretty sure none of this baloney was ever in the Bible 😂
@@25malum George Stone in Lincoln, Nebraska. The system was actually a really good one, but the religious aspects were a huge problem.
As my dearly departed, and extremely religious grandmother once told me: "My dear, God's Day will come on February 32nd."
🤣🤣🤣
How long has it been since then?
@@spudsbuchlaw
R/whoosh
@@spiffygonzales5160 Mr. Reddit, I got the joke initially
@TheNN Your Grandma was a wise woman, may she rest in peace.
I've never seen Miller's chart, so I won't speculate on what he missed. But I know one thing that Snow missed for sure:
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
Matthew 24:36, a direct quote from Jesus about the second coming that should have warned him not to make predictions about the exact day.
It's crazy how many of these people profess to surely believe in the Bible but think they know when the Second Coming is
Yeah it’s why I laugh at the end of the world preachers.
Tbf he wouldn’t say the hour or day. Although I guess it doesn’t work if days are years
Came here to say exactly this 😂
Surprise inspections don't work if the people you're inspecting know to clean up just before you come by. So it is in fast food, so it is in Christ. (I'm being silly here. Don't take me seriously)
Imagine being disappointed that the world didn’t end…
:0 SO TRUE
I'm salty it didn't end in 2020
The premise of the world ending is that to those who fervently believed until the very end, they'd be rewarded for their faith and those who didn't be punished forever. Basically what the last parts of the Book of Revelation describes. I remember the Simpsons making an entire episode about that and the its consequences...
@LeoTheBritish-Eurasian you have to realize they thought they were getting to go to heaven. they had sold most of what they owned to spread the word hadn't harvested crops. many of them went hungry and had to rely on neighbors charity, the worst thing to do, all while eating crow about being wrong. some of them still try to predict the date every few years. i left but after 3-4 false alarms i still dont know how they take it seriously
To be fair in Christianity the world ending is more like paradise coming rather then everyone dying
In his deciphering of the Bible... in EVERY deciphering of the Bible aimed at finding the date or time, HOW do people keep missing the following?
"Noone knows the day or the hour"
Or even WORSE, the statement that Christ HIMSELF doesn't know when he's coming back...
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Hubris is a mighty powerful thing. These men and women also forget that passage about how God's wisdom is often seen as foolish by wise men.
God are we there yet?
Millerites: So, when are you coming back?
Jesus: I told you over 2000 years ago, I DON'T KNOW! For the love of Dad, can you PLEASE read the book my friend Matt wrote! He was sitting RIGHT THERE when I said it!
Technically speaking, Miller himself didn't predict the day and hour, just a window of time. So he could have claimed he technically didn't do that.
@@sriramhrishikesh9844 Unfortunately, God doesn't really do technicalities.
I had heard of the Millerites and the "Great Disappointment," and I had heard of the Seventh-Day Adventists but I had no idea that they were connected. Interesting!
as a seventh day Adventist myself we are all taught about the great disappointment in school / in church
Cult religions
Makes sense, after the seventh day, monday follows, what bigger disappointment can you find in an average week?.
@@geckoo9190 the seventh day is Saturday not Sunday. Saturday is the sabbath day/day of rest at the end of the week and Sunday is the new sabbath day at the start of the week.
Don't forget the Jehova's Witnesses. They also came from this movement.
Samuel Snow : "Jesus will return on October 22!"
Jesus : "You know nothing, Sam Snow"
This angered fluffysheap’s super religious father , who punished him - oh wait wrong channel.
"When he's good and ready" is literally what the Bible says, too: "Like a thief in the night, you will not know when he is coming, until he is already here".
Not a very kind description of him, eh? But given how much has been stolen by the church, probably accurate.
Huh, I actually was raised a Seventh-Day Adventist and learned all about this in a bible history class. Didn't expect to hear about it here, haha!
Have you seen Knowing Better's video on the subject?
It is quite intriguing, too, and a lot more complex, since his videos are longer.
Not dissing on De Extra Credits, I love this channel, bit lenght of video affect how much can be said.
@@edisonlima4647 I didn't know they did one on the topic as well. I'll have to take a look!
Were you actually though?
I suggest Eric Flint's Alexander Inheritance series
A ship from 2017 ends up in 321 BCE. The Ancient civilizations now have Gunpowder Weapons and started the Industrial Revolution.
Christianity and Islam never become dominant religions
And yet the second coming of Jesus came in Shiraz, Iran :)
The number of Millerites was either 50,000 or 500,000, depending on whether days were days or years.
Now that is accuracy. I guess his descendants started a delivery business.
@@geckoo9190 Many of them would go on to install cable TV for a living.
Today is October 22, 2023, which marks the 179th year since the predicted calculations of William Miller failed to materialize.
*Happy Great Disappointment Day!*
It just goes to show that no matter how clever or well reasoned you might think you are, no matter how skeptical you try to be, and no matter the number of people who you can convince, you are not immune to being swept up in hype.
Yes I am
Bible: "Jesus will come when the humanity least expects"
Everyone: (Tries to predict when Jesus will come)
Bible: "really bro?"
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I've never understood why these guys completely ignore Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Even again at Matthew 24:42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."
Hubris. People like these guys just cannot stand the idea that someone knows better than themselves. They are essentially the kids that stick beans in their ears and need to be taken to the hospital to get them out, even though Mom and Dad told them exactly that would happen.
EXACTLY everyone ignores this smh
He didn't predict a day or an hour, just a calendar year. :P
Former SDA here. Its fascinating they focus so heavily on miller. so much so i didn't know about snow. also for those interested they interpret the disappointment as Christ entering the holiest place of the heavenly temple to begin judgement.
how long does judgement take?
@@globalincident694 theres a lot of us an SOME of us keep sinning!
kidding yeah this was a big part of why i lost patience.
I think it likely have to do with Snow being a bit unstable in older days, like claiming he was Elijah. Miller's prediction can rather easily be explained away with him missing something, making a calculation error or maybe counting from the wrong point (maybe Jesus birth or death instead of the rebuilding of Jerusalem?)
History is however full of people who have used cryptic passages in the Bible to predict world events and their track record so far is rather bad for future event.
@@loke6664 you are probably right. Weird part is the part about snow naming the exact date is something they credit Miller with.
@@25malum Current SDA here. That is an interesting take! I have to look into that myself (as in what's the story there).
Lesson to be learned
"“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." - Matthew 24:36-24:37 ya we dont know that second coming happening gonna be real with ya.
"The Great Disappointment".
Never thought I would see an Extra History episode about my life...
Damn, beat me to it 😂
I WAS 10 MINUTES TOO LATE
2:22 Shout out to the brilliant "Two Soyjacks Pointing" meme reference. You guys made my day, lol
I am surprise you didn't mention the cousin to Seventh Day Adventist: the Jehovah Witness. As the founder of the "Bible Student" movement, Charles Taze Russell later stated that "I confess indebtedness to Adventists as well as to other denominations", as it did started out as an Adventist Bible study group.
@@Shilanga-w2k But they all split the money though.
@@Shilanga-w2k Fair enough.
I can't help but read Jenova Witness every time this group is mentioned.
@@Shilanga-w2k theyve given multiple, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, "before 2000".
As a former one myself, I can get where someone would come from with that.
This was a nice introduction to the topic, but Knowing Better made an AMAZING series of videos on the Great Disappointment and the history of all the sects and religions that sprung out of it.
I would definitely recommend as a follow up.
Yep! Still looking forward to an eventual video of his video on Seventh-day Adventists as the main focus. But his latest video on "Neoslavery" is simply phenomenal!
I can't wait for that video on the SDA
Knowing Better isn't exactly amazing.
William Miller published a pamphlet in 1833 and a book of lectures in 1836, the first of many publications. Principal organs of the Millerite movement were the Signs of the Times (Boston) and the Midnight Cry (New York). Miller estimated that between 50,000 and 100,000 believed in his views. When 1843 passed, some of his associates set Oct.
I like how you rendered Samuel Snow's initial's as "SaS". Because "SS" kinda has some extra baggage to it.
Super sport? Like on chevy's camaro and chevelle.
@@cactusman1771 SchutzStaffel...
@@cactusman1771 Nah, that's silly.
Sussy
Spots
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And yet they're both crazy christians. 🤪
I am an Seventh-day Adventist and I approve this message 😃. Big fan of the channel and was very surprised to see this here. Thank you and great job!
As an Adventist fan of this series, this was amazing to see! 😊
Thanks!
Thank YOU for your support Chris.
Yes he studied every chapter of the bible front to back to determine the end of the world.
Except he decided to skip this one chapter. I think it was Matthew 24:36? No real reason, probably not important...
The Jehovah's Witnesses have done EXACTLY that in 1874, 1878, 1914, 1925, and 1975, to name a few years of "the end of this system of things."
He was blinded by his own self-grandiose of uncovering every "mystery" of the Bible.
The concept of a 'great dissapointment' is interesting. But afaik most of the religions that sprung from it just kept predicting new dates untill that got too silly and it became just 'soon'.
Nobody seems to have really learned anything from it 😔
One of the groups had predicted it would happen in 1914. Not gonna name it here LOL. Thing is, when nothing seemed to show in the real world, they never changed their song; instead, they said, "Oh, it happened, but the only people who noticed were the true believers; the rest of us are living in hell."
@@adriennegormley9358 It's Jehovah's Witnesses, for anyone curious.
Seems like they learned to stop trying to predict the day!
@@adriennegormley9358 the excuse I've heard from JW is "1914 is when it _started._ The World War proves it".
September 2028 don't @ me
2:58 Extra Credit’s animation isn’t always smooth, but when it is it’s friggin epic
As an SDA I thank you for this video Extra credit
Here, here!!! It is very, very well done!
And then many, many years later, Mat Groening would use this as the basis of The Simpson's episode "Thank God, It's Doomsday"
Yes!!! I was hoping someone would reference this episode!!
'He'll return when he's good and ready' honestly that seems pretty obvious
He’s finishing up his training in the Hyperbolic time chamber.
Fitcher's Brides, by Gregory Frost, is set during the lead up to the Great Disappoint, inspired by Bluebeard and The Fitcher's Bird.
I must give Duncan special respect for the ability to find such interesting facts from history.
I don't think I've ever not laughed at a Nick DeWitt visual joke on any of his contributions to the full-length EC videos. His art style, punctuated animation, and comedic timing serve as built-in advertising of a renaissance person's many creative skills. May many more Extra series to come sport his return!
This is way more fascinating than the two sentence version you learn in history class
As a seventh day adventist I can say we believe Miller got the date right but the event wrong.
William Miller. The Harold Camping of his time.
Going insane over panel 2:24. Your artists pack in so much eye candy
"Wee Willie Winkie rins through the town, Up stairs and doon stairs in his nicht-gown, Tirling at the window, crying at the lock, "Are the weans in their bed, for it's now ten o'clock?"
-William Miller,
The power to rationalize your preferred beliefs is truly amazing and also frightening. It can lead people in really bad directions.
0:27 so they were 20th century Reddit atheists
SDA here. Great to see Extra History cover a topic that is relevant for my church :D
And yes, the Millerites had an explaination for the matt 24:36 passage I just don't rememeber it now. I think it had something to do with the parable of the wise and foolish virgins.
Lmao the Wojack in 2:23 killed me, also: love your work guys keep it up :D
Lol didn't even notice
3:30 i do not know why but i find þis expretion amazing
These looming doomsday prophecies seem to pop up in pretty much every generation simply because there is a desire/need/market for them. Think Nosferatu, QAnon, Rasputin, or the whole 2K Mayan calendar thing. Some people crave drama and a sense of purpose.
People also kind of have trouble conceiving of the world going on without them and eventually completely forgetting them after their death.
Someone once said this about death: "It's not death itself that upsets us. It's the concept of the story of our lives not having a resolution or a conclusion". and it kinda rings true.
Nosferatu is a vampire. I think you mean Nostradamus.
@@iapetusmccool Haha, yes you're right
The second coming of Jesus is just a long running doomsday myth. It is there to keep the flock pinned. "Be good children, for I could return at any point and judge you for your (mis)deeds."
Every Teacher and Parent knows this tool. So do other authority figures, corporate bosses and intrusive governments.
Perhaps that's why the Second Coming continues to hold the grip it does. It's so... parental.
People who want the Rapture, just want the thrill of being able to taddle on their "naughty" siblings (aka anyone who doesn't conform to their ideology and world view).
2:23 I LOVE how you guys keep sneaking memes into these
Another great episode. Thank you!
The standard day=year justification is Ezekiel 4:6 - “I have appointed thee each day for a year.” And also somewhere in numbers. Neither obviously linked to prophecy, but an easy deduction for such a man of reason.
Seven Day adventists be waiting for the second coming,but the Jewish still waiting for the first one
Can't Believe Extra History Made a Video About us!
*"The Great Disappointment"*
Thanks for posting this on Sabbath 🤣. Yeah the SDA church has weird roots. It’s kind of weird in general, also Miller seems to have taken the fall for the Great Disappointment moreso than Snow
You can see a movie the Adventists made about it that really captured the spirit of the time. It’s called Tell the World, and despite some act two problems, it’s pretty good.
I hope we get an episode on Bonhoeffer, Neimoller, and the Confessing Church movement.
Today is October 22, 2022.
Happy Great Disappointment Day everyone!
for such a funny story this is probably one of the better "we're in the Darkest timeline" examples, as many of the religions that were continuations of this way of thinking still persist to this day and are closer to QAnon than anything else.
In a way, the world did end for William Miller and Samuel Snow at their specified dates.
When no one came at the 'Second Coming', their life's work, the worlds they built, their pride and achievements, crumbled before them.
THE SOYJAKS AT 2:24 ARE KILLING ME
I am a Seventh-day Adventis and that's right. No date setting. This was fairly accurate.
As a seventh day adventist myself I was pretty excited to see a episode on this!
From our perspective the date was correct(days = years is something common in prophetic intepretation) but the event was misintepreted, the "sanctuary" wasnt the earth but rather the heavenly sanctuary that the original tabernacle from the Exodus was fashioned off.
Yea
Same here!
Yeah boi! Totally agree this is a story I believe needs to get out there especially as many more predictions of Jesus's return pop up during every global event.
Keep up the great work, love the channel!
I can't believe that they really thought that, didn't the Bible literally say no man can know the hour or the day?
Also, I'm surprised no one claimed Jesus came back BUT we just don't know where he is yet.
I don’t think they claimed that because the way the Bible describes the second coming it will be very clear that he is here when he comes
2:26 might be my favorite piece of Animation that this channel has produced
Imagine believing in an all knowing God that says you won't know when He comes back and thinking you're so smart that you know when He comes back.
One of my favorite channels covering one of my favorite historical events? Awesomeness squared!
This event Led to the foundation of my church, seventh-day Adventist
happy easter everyone!!!
From Europe here, I get often the impressionthere're lotsa people in America who feel entitled to live the 2nd coming in their lifetimes. No idea why
True Christians feel entitled to NOTHING good. But are willing to accept the gifts of grace.
It's really hard to resist when we were born exactly 2000 years after Christ was, and that we're coming up on 2000 years after he died
@@andrewprahst2529 the calendar calcullations are flawed, you knew that?
My theory is that some of them, at least, understand Jesus' teachings well enough to know the standards that they *should* be working to live up to -- you know, all that silly stuff about standing up against injustice and loving they neighbor and helping those who are suffering. But instead of stepping up to do what's right, here in the real world, they'd rather fantasize about being Godly action heroes. (I assume this was why the "Left Behind" books sold as well as they did.)
2:22
"bro!! BROOOOOOOO LOOK THERE HE IS BROOOOO" is the vibes this wojack parody gives me
As everyone has been quoting the obvious "no man shall know the day" yada yada verse I shall point out that many of the orthodox churches Greek Orthodox/ Roman Catholic and staunch Protestant churches would treat this type of interpretation as numerology/fortelling the future and as such a form of witchcraft and strictly forbidden.
I'm not sure if they would call it "witchceaft" exactly, but yeah, divination was usually frowned upon, and when done using the Bible it would probably be seen as tantamount to heresy.
I love this editing even more than I do the usual one.
i never though i would see the day extra history did a episode about miller and the seventh day adventists.
It’s really interesting in how during this time (first half of the 19th century) there was a lot of new theological discussion especially around the second coming. You had the millerites and others like Darby who developed the idea of the rapture
And it never ever came, and it won’t.
7:33 I see Martin Crane’s chair there
Considering Mormons started around the same place and time as this, I was curious how they factored into this. From what I gathered from Googling it, it seems Joseph Smith didn't believe in this stuff, though some LDS members did.
Logic and reason is often defeated by what a person wants to be true.
So, did Miller actually check the original translation about the 2300 days thing, or was he just taking it on faith that this was the case? I mean, it's not like the Latin or even Hebrew texts were missing. He literally could've asked a single Catholic bishop, or even rabbi, to check his math.
talk to a CATHOLIC? or worse, a JEW?! about JESUS?!!! NEVER!!!!!!
@@cygnahoshiko4629 lol 😂
@@cygnahoshiko4629 There were a few Protestants in the early 1800s who knew and understood Hebrew just as well as many Jewish Rabbi and Roman Catholic priests. Furthermore, there wasn't a well-educated man in America at the time who hadn't read the entire Bible.
@@Mystictiki I'm sure they had! Miller was not an uneducated man. But many Protestants of the time (and...this time) considered Catholics non-Christians and Jews sub-human, and would *never* admit that they might have anything to add to a Biblical discussion. (Admittedly, a rabbi wouldn't have any special knowledge about the Christian Testament, for obvious reasons. But we LOVE doing stupid math about things not meant to have math done to them. Look up "gematriya".)
@@cygnahoshiko4629 Most Protestant confessions such as the Westminster Confession and the very similar 1689 Second London Baptist Confession explicitly refer to the Papacy as an Antichrist. Admittedly, I had Hugenot ancestors who fled from France and also ended up fleeing Maryland because the Roman Catholic Church was just as completely intolerant if not more so depending largely upon the location.
The great disappointment...
"Have you been talking to my husband?"
Xlaxons....
Wow! I’m really honored Extra credits did an episode entirely about me!
Oh yeah i grew up learning this story. My church is even commemorating this event right now
The Great Disappointment was basically QAnon 1.0
More like bernie bros paying his campaign for the 5th time
All of this could be avoided if they read Mt 25:13
"Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour"
Now that's what we call a Bruh moment.
The Baha'i faith believes that Miller's prediction was fulfilled by the declaration of the Bab in 1844, but, I mean, couldn't he have just seen all the fuss and said "why not start a religion?"
Oh my Goodness!! My Church is based off of this!! I can’t believe it! I’ve never seen a secular resource reference this before! I am literally shocked 😮! Excited too! (edit: Seventh Day Adventist here!)
Reminds me of Harold Camping a decade ago.
You know nothing, Samuel Snow.
Today's forecast: 8 inches of Snow
I love that the ad at the end of this video is World Anvil. Very fitting!
Samuel Snow: Hello, internet! Welcome to BIBLE THEORY, the show that doesn't exist, but give it enough time, MatPat would find a way.
it's just so interesting as to how belief works on a personal level that they kept saying it will happen soon, and also interesting that the "masses" despite usually being seen as unquestioning, where more reasonable than the leaders
*Meanwhile, in the Vatican:*
Pope: "THEY DID WHAT!?"
Bishop: *Holding a chuckle* "They said that the bible could be interpreted with science..."
*both of them start wheezing and laughing uncontrollably.*
"Not only that, your holiness, but they predicted the second coming of Jesus to be imminent!"
*they laugh too much, the Pope fall from his chair.*
"Oh my lord... these heretics are so damn funny, i sometimes think that we did good not to burn Luther so to have these idiots running around..."
*they keep on laughing and a new joke will be all the clamour in the hallways of the Vatican for months to come.*
LOL MOMENTS OF THE POPE
This amusingly ties in to how the SDA church views Catholicism: On a good day, extremely wrong. On a bad day, the pope is literally Satan himself.
Bishop: Welp let’s get back to it those it those alter boys won’t molest themselves
When will these be turned into movies?