When is Bulk Fermentation Done? - Episode 1 : “The 30 Minute Effect”

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  • Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
  • How can you tell when Bulk Fermentation is done? This detailed video compares four loaves with different bulk fermentation times with tips for beginners and intermediate sourdough bakers.
    In this video we bake four loaves of bread with longer bulk fermentation times to assess the impact on crumb of 30-minute extensions to bulk fermentation time, from underproofing to overproofing. The video follows Chad Robertson's Tartine Bread Country loaf recipe and demonstrates all of the techniques used for determining when bulk fermentation is done.
    Also check out Episode 3 of this series for a continuation if this experiment, and...
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    Thank you,
    Tom Cucuzza
    The Sourdough Journey
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Sections in this video:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:41 The Experiment
    2:58 Other Videos to Consider
    5:07 The Recipe
    8:04 When is Bulk Fermentation Done?
    11:31 Stretch and Fold #5
    12:08 Bulk Fermentation Done - Loaf 1
    16:44 Final Shaping - Loaf 1
    22:04 Bulk Fermentation Done - Loaf 2
    25:44 Final Shaping - Loaf 2
    27:15 Bulk Fermentation Done - Loaf 3
    38:06 Final Shaping - Loaf 3
    33:52 Bulk Fermentation Done - Loaf 4
    36:50 Final Shaping - Loaf 4
    38:40 Day 2: Score and Bake
    39:39 Comparing the Loaves
    44:22 Cutting the Loaves
    49:09 Slicing the Loaves
    52:08 Taste Test
    53:13 The 5 Stages of Fermentation
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  • @Azizelle
    @Azizelle 6 місяців тому +13

    Best sourdough videos EVER! If you truly want to perfect your bread and understand the process these videos are amazing. Literal best on the topic on UA-cam.

  • @carolmelancon
    @carolmelancon 2 роки тому +41

    "As a beginner, this is where you kinda tell lies to yourself" - so true! Thank you for all your work in making this "masterclass".

  • @cyrenekong
    @cyrenekong 3 роки тому +94

    your videos are so detailed, it is like attending a masterclass. Thank you so much for taking the effort to make them. The passion you hold for sourdough baking really shows. I have just started baking and 4 loaves in, they are all gummy... this video gives me more confidence in attempting loaf #5

  • @paulvaughan3557
    @paulvaughan3557 3 роки тому +18

    Thanks Tom. All your energy went into information and teaching instead of being entertaining with a touch of info. Extremely helpful. A true masterclass indeed.

  • @edwinnirdlinger8499
    @edwinnirdlinger8499 2 роки тому +11

    I have just discovered your videos and love them! I want to thank you for what you are doing.
    I have started baking bread about 1 year ago. I am a scientist by training and profession, although now I'm retired. After having read many books on the science and history of baking including the "Modernist Bread" volumes, I'm still experimenting and have many questions about sourdough baking. Your videos truly fit my mind-set. Thanks for all your efforts!!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you. I appreciate the feedback and have always loved doing experiments. I also have a new website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @loribelloir5651
    @loribelloir5651 2 роки тому +9

    Your videos are the best I’ve seen on UA-cam. I love how comprehensive and process-oriented you are, and how you really explore what the critical points are, how to read the dough and crumb, and how to react methodically. Thank you for the time and expertise it took for you to make all of these videos and share them with us! Much appreciated from a home sourdough baker.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it! Also check out my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @tviehl3399
    @tviehl3399 2 місяці тому +1

    This video is exactly what I needed. Finally, someone with a real scientific approach, not just repeating other bakers' ideas. Moreover, not assuming your own (probably reasonably good) experiences and gut feelings have to work for all kitchens and recipes around the world. Excellent, thank you!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 місяці тому

      Thank you. Here is a new video on similar topic. The SECRET of Bulk Fermentation: Measuring Dough Temperature and % Rise - The Two-Factor Method
      ua-cam.com/video/p69UMuYJhJs/v-deo.html

    • @bkbaxterNYnowIN
      @bkbaxterNYnowIN 2 місяці тому +1

      Your video really shows the pros and cons of a high temperature bulk fermentation. On the upside, it is much quicker. On the downside, it is very easy to miss the window of optimal fermentation. I also use a temperature-controlled proofing chamber, but I usually do bulk fermentation at 24°C, and I wait until a sample taken from the loaf and kept in a small glass container (a shot glass, in my case) under the same conditions has approximately doubled in volume. Prior to fermentation, I do a very vigorous slap and fold method of gluten development, which gives the dough quite a bit of strength. I see a lot of gluten strands when I empty my dough onto the counter. For me, the flexibility of the relatively slow rise given by a lower temperature is well worth the extra time. This is one of the beauties of sourdough baking: the recipe and procedure can be adapted for the baker's convenience. Except for the volume increase criterion, I assess the completeness of bulk fermentation much the same way that you do, and with similar results.
      I wonder if a hybrid method would combine the advantages of our two approaches to optimal temperature. For example, one could begin at 27-28 degrees Celsius and then lower the temperature setting to 24 degrees Celsius after a brief period, anywhere from 15 to 60 min. One could even preheat the water and starter before feeding. As you point out, the temperature of the loaf would drop very slowly, but it might be possible to develop conditions in which the time required for fermentation would be much reduced, and yet the trickiness of catching the loaf at precisely the right point would also be reduced. it might well be worth a try, or indeed a series of trials.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 місяці тому

      Yes, watch the end of this video.
      When is Bulk Fermentation Done? Episode 7 - "Some Like it Hot: The Temperature Effect"
      ua-cam.com/video/SUa9aY7r9w4/v-deo.html

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 місяці тому

      Sorry, this is a better example of what you are looking for. Really foolproof.
      NEW!: Sourdough BREAKTHROUGH: Two-Stage Bulk Fermentation - For Busy People
      ua-cam.com/video/DDOfIAgyCy8/v-deo.html

  • @Nivlaek5thAge
    @Nivlaek5thAge Рік тому +7

    Your video is one of the best I have discovered. Thank you for taking the time and putting in the effort to be so detailed in the execution. The logistics of making a video like this and keeping it coherent is no small task. Happy proofing! 👍

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you! Also check out episodes 3 and 4 of this series for a continuation of this experiment. And check out my website for more info on this topic thesourdoughjourney.com.

  • @loonronglee748
    @loonronglee748 2 роки тому +7

    I normally do not comment on videos, but this series is one of the most, if not the most informative series on sourdough baking. Thank you for all you work! It is truly enlightening :)

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. Also check out my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com.

  • @TheLubeKing
    @TheLubeKing 2 роки тому +2

    I knew this video was made for me when 90 seconds in he described the struggle a new sourdough baker experiences with underproofing, overproofing, temperature changes, and different four mixes. SPOKE TO MY UNLEVENED SOUL!

  • @boupartac
    @boupartac 3 роки тому +6

    Wow! Great job Tom! Thanks for putting all this time and energy to this experiment. You rock. I now understood better the proofing process. Cheers!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      Thank you for the feedback! I’ll be making a few more videos in this series in the coming weeks.

  • @nancyrosewood8589
    @nancyrosewood8589 Рік тому +1

    This is the best video I’ve seen that describes in such detail, with a little subtle humor, everything there is to know about this subject. Thank you!

  • @marymills771
    @marymills771 3 роки тому +6

    From watching your video I have finally realized what I was doing wrong. I was always over proofing.
    I thought the more it proofed the higher the loaf, so I always had flat loaves with tight crumb.
    I have been baking bread for a long time and sometimes it came out good but more often it was not
    light like I wanted it. I will try again and hopefully it will come out better. Thank you.

  • @lawreven2522
    @lawreven2522 2 роки тому +4

    This is the best video I could find regarding the fermentation! As a beginner, its easy to find find those recipes and sample timeline online or in books, but this, a details illustration on different period of fermentation was extremely helpful for me on what's really going on and how I should decide. Great job and thank you Tom!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you for the feedback. Also check out Episode 3 in this series, and download the guide here….
      thesourdoughjourney.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Bulk-O-Matic-V1-04_25_21.pdf

  • @natalielim8455
    @natalielim8455 3 роки тому +4

    This was a really great video and I learnt a lot from it. Thanks Tom for taking the time to do the experiment for us and taking the time to explain it so patiently.

  • @cymatia
    @cymatia 2 роки тому +1

    Oh, man. I've seen a bunch of bread-making UA-cams but yours is the funniest and the most joyful one to watch. I don't know why but it's just funny but very educational.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you. If you like my sense of humor, check out this one. ua-cam.com/video/WVebYEH63xM/v-deo.html

  • @eucisotar2
    @eucisotar2 3 роки тому +1

    This is by far one of the best sourdough channels on youtube. So informative and didactic!
    Another thing that I like here is that Tom has such a great diction that even I can really follow everything he is saying - and I'm very aware about my english level not beem that good.
    So, your are a legend, Tom, I can not thank you enought.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for the feedback! I try hard to make my videos internationally accessible.

  • @kria6737
    @kria6737 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Tom. Your videos are the best among all I've watched. Very details explaining on every circumstances.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you! Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney.com for more info.

  • @natubb
    @natubb 3 роки тому +5

    Love your content and how you explain, so detailed. And I needed this video today tbh so really appreciate!

  • @jayhovasim
    @jayhovasim 3 роки тому +7

    This is such a detailed and helpful video, thanks a lot Tom. It's fascinating to see how crucial the last half hour of bulk fermentation can be on the final result. I felt like I had a reasonable understanding already, but I am sure the specific advice in this video will really give me more confidence when calling bulk fermentation done on my next loaves!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      Thank you for the feedback. Yes, I did some other less controlled experiments and was starting to see that 30 minutes makes a big difference.

  • @mariammaatouk179
    @mariammaatouk179 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you so much for experimenting and sharing your journey with us! As a beginner baker this is so helpful to problem solve and make better judgments, especially with finding that sweet spot.

  • @cmax4692
    @cmax4692 3 роки тому +1

    Fine series with clear discussion of many key factors for success. My first tries were not too good. Over proofed and under baked but taste was my reward. Lots of problems with my starter, working the dough, shaping, and baking. With you help it can only get better. Thank you!

  • @dianadia8493
    @dianadia8493 3 роки тому +2

    I really really enjoy your channel.
    Valuable information and clear explanations. My sourdough bread starts looking better and better. Thank you for your effort in filming and editing all this precious material for us

  • @edwardreilly9098
    @edwardreilly9098 5 місяців тому +1

    My takeaway? All four of these loaves look practically the same inside and out - all beautiful and I imagine they taste equally so - so these minor changes in BF times are inconsequential, and can be ostensibly ignored! Thanks for huge effort that went into this video! Appreciated.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  5 місяців тому

      Thank you. Check out episodes 3 and 4 where I show more dramatic differences.

  • @davidburdick7793
    @davidburdick7793 3 роки тому +1

    Tom, this is an excellent and informing video. Thanks for putting this together; I’m beginning to use preferments in my bread baking and this answers a lot of questions I’ve had.

  • @user-zq6po4dz2h
    @user-zq6po4dz2h Рік тому +1

    Excellent video!! I learned so much from this - thank you for taking the time to film and explain in such detail.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you. Also check out episode 3 where I continue this experiment.

  • @ivandanshin1078
    @ivandanshin1078 2 роки тому +1

    Man, you're cool! This is the first time I listen to English and understand almost everything. You speak very simply and very clearly. Thanks!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thanks for the feedback. Also check out Episode 3 of this series.

  • @zachgardner4782
    @zachgardner4782 7 місяців тому +2

    This was SO informative. I’ve had trouble with sourdough in the past and I learned so much here. I’m excited to get back at it! Thank you, thank you!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  7 місяців тому

      Thank you. Also check our Episodes 3 and 4 in this series.

  • @ohtheplaceswego9316
    @ohtheplaceswego9316 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much! This is exactly what I've been looking for! What a well done video!

  • @oxdogoxSF
    @oxdogoxSF 2 роки тому +2

    Better than a master class... It's like sourdough science! Thank you so much!! The bread slices at the end was like a loaf MRI.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you. Also check out Episodes 3 and 4 where I continue to refine this method. Also check out the downloadable tools on my new website thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @DANVIIL
    @DANVIIL 3 роки тому +5

    A really excellent breakdown of fermentation. I appreciate all of your work and dedication to share the results of this experiment with your viewers.
    I have a straight sided shot glass with ML markers on it and I take about 15-20 grams of my dough and put it in the shot glass as I begin bulk ferment. When the dough hits about 30% incease in size I know that the bulk is done and I get great results in my crumb and oven spring. This is a short cut that allows me to monitor the bulk ferment. Thanks again!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      Thank you! Your approach is a great way to do it. I will add than in one of my upcoming experiments.

    • @missredhead5995
      @missredhead5995 3 роки тому +1

      @@thesourdoughjourney ooooh surely the smaller/smallest West Germany beaker your schoolteacher friend gave you could come into handy for this! :D。#numberonefanofSourdoughBakingInstituteOfClevelandOhio

    • @missredhead5995
      @missredhead5995 3 роки тому +1

      What a great idea, thanks for sharing!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      @@missredhead5995 yes! The small beaker would have been perfect.

    • @AuroraClair
      @AuroraClair 2 роки тому

      I was looking for a video on the shot glass, but only found your comment instead :) I'm trying this for the first time today. About 4h in and the little dough in the glass slowly started to rise, awesome :) great for us beginners

  • @lisajanofsky
    @lisajanofsky Рік тому +2

    thank you for these amazing master classes!! I love understanding the science behind bread baking.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you for the feedback. Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @alfontana6242
    @alfontana6242 3 роки тому +1

    Tom, very detailed and informative video. Bulk fermentation was quite difficult for me when I first began sourdoughing. To get a more constant temperature what I did I placed my dough during bulk fermentation in my oven with just the oven light on and the door cracked slightly. I can keep the temp at about 78-82 degrees which now makes it easier for my bulk fermentation. You answered all the questions that I would have asked and you covered it all during your video. Once again great job!!!!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you. I love 80F for bulk fermentation. Definitely the sweet spot for me.

  • @27kjh
    @27kjh 7 місяців тому +1

    Your videos are absolute gold! I think if I had watched them when I stared making Sourdough, it might have scared me away. Now after some okay loafs, I’m hooked and want to do better. I love how you explain the fine details. It helps me understand what’s going on in the process and I’m no longer having to wear my lucky hat when making Sourdough.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  7 місяців тому +1

      Thank you! also check out episodes 3 and 4 in this series.

  • @akulinaakulina6742
    @akulinaakulina6742 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you very much ! With you I understood my mistake and now I bake wonderful bread )) I always was waiting until “double in size”, overproofed my dough and thought it’s not enough fermented ))) Now it is in the past !!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for the feedback! I’m happy it helped solve your problem.

  • @denisecapozzi3421
    @denisecapozzi3421 Рік тому +1

    Enjoying these videos. Giving much insight on the development and how the chemistry of time, temp and fermentation works. Still developing my starter, and will be sure it looks good before I make my first loaf. I also bought the Tartine Bread book.

  • @ollimommy
    @ollimommy 3 роки тому +2

    Tom a great thank you! I now feel like we are all laughing together as we do this deep dive! Before watching you, I was feeling alone on one side of the wheat field as all of the other pandemic bakers laughed and laughed at my failures! Thank you Tom.

  • @christaclaytor1574
    @christaclaytor1574 7 місяців тому +1

    This was SUPER helpful and I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

  • @gn4054
    @gn4054 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you so much, Tom, for this excellent experiment and clear illustration.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you. Also check out episodes 3 and 4 in this series for more details and examples.

  • @ChayongkornSingprasong
    @ChayongkornSingprasong 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you! Your video helped me understand what I did wrong and ways I can improve. Really appreciated.

  • @KatMa664
    @KatMa664 5 місяців тому +1

    This kind of corroborated something I was noticing the other day when I was waiting for my loaf to ferment, and it didn’t seem like it was doing anything and then all of a sudden it took off. And I had to make a decision because the previous loaf did the same thing and it over fermented. Within a very short period of time. That 30 minutes is critical. So when you see it’s starting to take off I think if you time it from that point and go 30 minutes and then stop and put it in the oven you will have the sweet spot. Not always as you know but it’s a good indicator. This was very helpful. Thank you.

  • @khawlahpeace1222
    @khawlahpeace1222 10 місяців тому +1

    This is a wonderful video it has really helped me a lot and given me more confidence seeing you go through it all, I think I can now make better choices. As always your videos are detailed and such quality thank you

  • @christianp5858
    @christianp5858 2 роки тому +3

    Hi Tom,
    Thanks for the video, it really helps me. I‘m constantly developing my skills in baking a 50% whole wheat Sourdough loaf and I‘m getting close now to satisfying results now. Final Boss is clearly bulk fermentation, which is much faster with an increased whole wheat portion (in my case 3 to 3,5 h seems to be the sweet spot at 25 C). I really appreciate the time and effort you have put into this experiment.
    Thanks again and best regards from Germany,
    Christian

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you’ll. That sounds about right for a 50% whole wheat loaf. Good luck with your baking!

  • @kebabfoto
    @kebabfoto Рік тому +1

    These videos are so long but not one single boring second. I l know ur making money doing these but you could make a lot more being another click-bait channel. This is passion for sourdough but also teaching, combined it becomes extremly good material for anyone who wish to learn. I have ADHD and struggle with getting bored too easily but ur triggering my hyper focus, I am learning and taking notes, love the passion!

  • @patriciazander2072
    @patriciazander2072 4 місяці тому +4

    I would endorse this gentleman. I have been attempting to get some facility with sourdough bread, and feel safe in saying that this is the finest learning channel available. I would stick with Tom Cucuzza if you are serious.

  • @daniellemcfarland8043
    @daniellemcfarland8043 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video! It tied in so much of what I'm learning and helped it all make a lot more sense. Wow! That was a ton of effort on your part and so appreciated! Thank you!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you! Also check out Episode 3 and 4 of this series where I introduce a tool to assist this this method. I also have a helpful video and guide on How to Read a Sourdough Crumb that can be helpful also.

    • @daniellemcfarland8043
      @daniellemcfarland8043 Рік тому

      @@thesourdoughjourney I'll check it out, thank you!

  • @betspath
    @betspath 2 роки тому +1

    This was most helpful. Thank you for all your efforts. The most helpful hint for me, was the "shake" to test for proofing test.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you. Check out Episode 3 of this series where I expand on this concept. Also check out my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @seajayami
    @seajayami 7 місяців тому +1

    Just found your channel- thanks so much! I've been making sourdough for 12 years but still find it challenging at times. Your detailed video really helps me see what I've done wrong at times.

  • @chasingdreams3844
    @chasingdreams3844 Рік тому +1

    Wonderful video and very well explained. Thank you for taking the time to cover everything so well.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! Episodes 3 and 4 of this series are a continuation of this experiment. And more info here on the website. thesourdoughjourney.com/faq-bulk-fermentation-timing/

    • @chasingdreams3844
      @chasingdreams3844 Рік тому

      @@thesourdoughjourney I've been trying to watch all of them. They all have very valuable information! I'm a bit obsessed with experiments myself to try to prove or disprove things so watching all of yours hits home with me big time. Your work is very much appreciated.

  • @MrCakey35
    @MrCakey35 Рік тому +1

    Thorough and excellent instruction. Thank you!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you. Also check out episode 3 of this series where I expand on this concept.

  • @EM-ix9oi
    @EM-ix9oi 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for making this video. I've been on this for a couple years; but I'm determined to make it right!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you! Also check out Episodes 3 and 4 of this series for a continuation of this experiment. And I have some great new tools on my new website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @corteltube
    @corteltube 3 роки тому +1

    In my quest...which is getting better....this has been so helpful...thanks so much.

  • @lindseyg3468
    @lindseyg3468 Рік тому

    Thank you for these videos. I am brand new to sourdough baking. These have helped me more than anything else I've found (books, Facebook Groups, other videos).

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  Рік тому

      Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. Also check out my website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @ninaclark1142
    @ninaclark1142 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much - watching your videos I was able to troubleshoot my (frankly inedible) loaf, and produce one that looked and tasted amazing 😀👍 More work to be done, but thank you so much, I was on the verge of giving up. Your videos present the information so clearly, so methodically, it was suddenly very easy to see where the problems lay

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you for the feedback. Also check out Episode 3 of this series for some additional tools. There is also a downloadable tool/guide in the description of that video that you might find to be helpful.

  • @azbc9303
    @azbc9303 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the detailed explanation. Haven't started baking yet but understanding the science is definitely helpful & eases you up in a way. (as an engineer, I tend to analytically look at things)

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому +2

      You will learn a lot from my videos. All based on repeatable scientific experiments.

  • @michellehollings3642
    @michellehollings3642 3 роки тому +1

    This video was a life changer for me in learning all about bulk fermentation. I finally get it.
    Thank you so much Tom and especially all the time and effort you put into making your videos.
    Cheers Michelle.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +2

      Thank you! Also check out Episode 3 of this series which expands on this topic,

    • @michellehollings5340
      @michellehollings5340 3 роки тому +1

      @@thesourdoughjourney Hi Tom, is it possible after bulk fermentation to put the dough in the fridge for six hours before shaping as I have to go out and I don't want to over proof my dough. Can I then take the dough out of the fridge and bring to room temperature, then shape and place in banneton for overnight in the fridge. Not sure what to do. Thank you Michelle

    • @dontscrewitup
      @dontscrewitup 3 роки тому +1

      @@michellehollings5340 yes, that should work. The dough will keep fermenting as it cools down in the fridge so try to shape it as soon as it comes back up to room temp because it will start fermenting again at that time.

    • @michellehollings5340
      @michellehollings5340 3 роки тому

      @@dontscrewitup Thank you, I will try that now.

  • @samanthayeap5586
    @samanthayeap5586 3 роки тому +1

    Very detail explanation. Thanks for your sharing 👍

  • @kuwen7824
    @kuwen7824 Рік тому +1

    Chills! Cool uploads! Feels good today. Never tired of these. ! 😆
    the ending got me puzzle btw.

  • @danielhutanu9091
    @danielhutanu9091 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you so much for the video and guides on your website.

  • @jonrichardjacobs31
    @jonrichardjacobs31 3 роки тому +2

    WOW, thank you so much.This realy helped.Greetings from Norway.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Glad it helped! Also check out Episode 3 where I refine the tests.

  • @nicolalb695
    @nicolalb695 3 роки тому +2

    Hi Tom, thank you so much for doing this experiment. I live in England and my kitchen is often quite chilly so I use my oven with light on for bulk ferment. My dough normally feels find throughout the process until I attempt to shape. The dough would be sticky and lost structure somehow. Having seen your video, I believe I have let bulk ferment get away from me - way more than your loaf 4. Now I know what to look out for. Thank you so much for the pointer. You are my go-to guy whenever I need help. Really appreciate it!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      Thank you for the feedback. I will be continuing to create more videos in this series.

  • @thesourdoughjourney
    @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +3

    Open this comment for clickable links to sections of the video...
    0:05 Intro
    1:40 The Experiment
    3:02 Other Videos to Consider
    5:08 The Recipe
    8:03 When is Bulk Fermentation Done?
    10:41 Mixing the Dough
    12:08 Loaf #1 Bulk Fermentation Done
    16:46 Loaf #1 Final Shaping
    22:06 Loaf #2 Bulk Fermentation Done
    25:43 Loaf #2 Final Shaping
    27:15 Loaf #3 Bulk Fermentation Done
    30:06 Loaf #3 Final Shaping
    33:51 Loaf #4 Bulk Fermentation Done
    36:50 Loaf #4 Final Shaping
    38:40 Day 2: Scoring and Baking the Loaves
    39:39 Comparing the Loaves
    44:19 Cutting the Loaves
    49:09 Slicing the Loaves
    52:09 Taste Test
    53:09 The 5 Stages of Fermentation

  • @Indrabudiwati
    @Indrabudiwati 3 роки тому +1

    Wow I love all your video so detailed n comprehensive . I am a beginner and learned a lot also learn from my failure to made the SD/ loave. Thank you 🙏 😃 💃

  • @keithgrima5271
    @keithgrima5271 3 роки тому +8

    Maybe an idea, can you do a video comparing different hydrations 65/70/75/80. Mainly regarding fermentation on how an increase in the hydration affects bulk time?(rather than focusing on handling) Just an idea but something I always wondered about.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +4

      Yes thanks. That’s on my list. I’m working through one variable at a time.

  • @Mstymntntop
    @Mstymntntop 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for taking the time to do this…very informative! If I was earring a piece of bread to go with dinner, I would choose #3. If I was making a sandwich, I would go with #4. Going to watch more of your videos as this was my first.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you. Also watch episodes 3 and 4. They really show how to dial it in, across 8 different loaves. 45 minute differences.

  • @drewa.8156
    @drewa.8156 3 роки тому +6

    Interesting results, thanks for this. It's honestly pretty astonishing you're the only guy attempting this sort of systematic testing given just how significantly minor changes in bulk can affect the outcome of the loaf. I was pretty surprised to find that the degree of bulk (assuming an adequate enough fermentation) did not have a significant effect on the scoring; you would think that having more or less 'gas in the tank' as it were would make the scores open further or lesser and/or more or less aggressively. It seems then that it largely has to do with the technique of scoring itself and the way in which it controls/directs the outward flow of gas.
    Also, I seem to have drawn a different interpretation of the reason for the tartine-directed 30% bulk rise. My assumption has been that a 'young' leaven is not as 'strong' as a fully ripe/mature/maximally risen one, and therefore does not raise the bulking dough as high. This is because when I make dough with a mature leaven my dough usually seems to be perfect around a 40-50% rise instead of 25-30. I'm curious as to whether/how a young vs mature leaven affects the final outcome of the loaf beyond being more vs less sour. It certainly seems to me that the *dough* (pre-bake) looks, feels, and handles differently. Any insights on this? Thanks again for the videos.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks for the feedback. My conclusion about the 20-30% rise came to me when I did another experiment on dough temperatures. At 80F, or higher; you are working with a speeding train that takes a long time to slow down.
      I’ve only done a few anecdotal tests with starter vs young leaven. I have seen some difference as you note, but I’d need to do a controlled experiment on this to draw a conclusion. Another experiment idea. Thanks!

  • @valeriayi
    @valeriayi 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks very much! Very informative and helpful.

  • @mgn721
    @mgn721 2 роки тому +1

    Absolutely great info! Thanks.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you. You might also like Episode 3 of this series where I refine the method a bit.

  • @barrydickson135
    @barrydickson135 2 роки тому +1

    Tom, thank you so much for all of the effort you put into making these videos and providing the tools for reading the sourdough crumb, and the "bulkomatic" guide. As a result, I am finally understanding why I have been getting such disappointing results with my sourdough bread - I have been over-proofing.
    The other most helpful tool I have found on UA-cam is "The Bread Codes' " guide to the different protein content percentages, and the maximum hydration and bulk fermentation rise percentages to apply to lower and higher protein content in bread flour.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you! I appreciate the support and feedback. I’m also familiar with the Bread Code video you’re referring to. That is a good tool also. I recently made a video on experimentations with Bread flours. I bake with 6 different bread flours with different protein percentages. It was a fascinating experiment. Thanks again and good luck!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you! I appreciate the support and feedback. I’m also familiar with the Bread Code video you’re referring to. That is a good tool also. I recently made a video on experimentations with Bread flours. I bake with 6 different bread flours with different protein percentages. It was a fascinating experiment. Thanks again and good luck!

  • @courtneyvanpatten6345
    @courtneyvanpatten6345 2 місяці тому +1

    Oh my goodness. I have been letting my dough double (at 80*) and so totally over proofing! I couldn’t find anyone to explain why or how to measure 30% or what to look for. Thank you!!!

  • @saburahma
    @saburahma 3 роки тому +1

    You’re awesome so very generous of you thanks! Super helpful

  • @PranWong
    @PranWong 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for making such amazing tutorials

  • @trishamitchell5265
    @trishamitchell5265 3 роки тому +4

    Well done Tom! This is so helpful to my "autopsies".

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      Thank you. I plan to do more like this in this series.

    • @chingwa888
      @chingwa888 3 роки тому

      Autopsies lol that’s brilliant.

  • @newtboys
    @newtboys 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for all the effort.. this is excellent information.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you for the feedback. Also check out Episode 3 of this series. And the video on How to Read a Sourdough Crumb. I also have a new website at thesourdoughjourney.com.

  • @akag6035
    @akag6035 3 місяці тому +1

    After 50 lbs of flour and ## loaves of bread, I find this video! It's awesome with soooo many helpful tips😀! Normal people would have probably given up a long time ago ........ but Oh, No, not me! After watching this video I am going to Try again today! LOL

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 місяці тому

      This new video is also quite helpful. The SECRET of Bulk Fermentation: Measuring Dough Temperature and % Rise - The Two-Factor Method
      ua-cam.com/video/p69UMuYJhJs/v-deo.html

  • @shawnsullivan5503
    @shawnsullivan5503 Рік тому

    Great presentation. Knowledgeable and concise.

  • @gailgreenberg6953
    @gailgreenberg6953 Рік тому

    I love watching you and often laugh. Thank you so much. I have a few questions but won't have my LED thermometer until Tuesday so I'll wait to ask you. Again thank you.

  • @Twilightertaylor
    @Twilightertaylor 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the awesome information. Definitely geeked out and took as many notes as I could 🤓

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for the feedback. You may also like episode 3 of this series where I refine the approach a bit more.

    • @Twilightertaylor
      @Twilightertaylor 3 роки тому

      @@thesourdoughjourney Thank you! I am slowly making my way through your videos.

  • @anna.nadiryan
    @anna.nadiryan 6 місяців тому +1

    Dear Tom, thank you for such a detailed information! It's still a rocket science for me as flour type also plays a big role in final crumb appearance.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  6 місяців тому

      Thank you. Yes I’m using a basic flour type here.
      Also check out episodes 3 and 4 of this series.

  • @hahathatsgreat2
    @hahathatsgreat2 3 роки тому +2

    Amazing. Thanks for the insight.

  • @gnawbabygnaw
    @gnawbabygnaw 2 роки тому +1

    Extremely Helpful! Again. Thank You. Again!! 🤙

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thank you. Also check out episode 3 and the downloadable tool in that description. Or on my website at thesourdoughjourney.com

  • @Kokeshiflower
    @Kokeshiflower 2 роки тому +1

    Really excellent and informative video! thanks for taking the time to do this. I particularly enjoyed you talking to your dough...! I do that too.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks. Also check out episodes 3 and 4 of this series where I expand on this experiment. And I have some great tools on my new website at thesourdoughjourney,com

    • @Kokeshiflower
      @Kokeshiflower 2 роки тому

      @@thesourdoughjourney Thanks, I'm checking those out now. Brilliant resources

  • @ericschwartz9982
    @ericschwartz9982 3 роки тому +1

    Just started watching. Your intro was great and had me laughing....I'll keep watching until the end! Thanks.

  • @AndersSvensson_norrkoping
    @AndersSvensson_norrkoping 3 роки тому

    This was very very helpfull! Thank you so much! You have a fan :) I will certainly watch your other episodes!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Awesome, thank you! I'm recording a new one today and will post it in a few days.

    • @AndersSvensson_norrkoping
      @AndersSvensson_norrkoping 3 роки тому +1

      @@thesourdoughjourney Perfect :) I was just baking Chads recipe and was just in the middle of thoughts about how to 'see, feel´ when proofing is right and to far :) I Have seen so many UA-cam-movies ... This is the best about proofing :) Cred Cred! My to loafs are in the fridge now and the where both 'rocking' :)

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      @@AndersSvensson_norrkoping Thank you for the feedback. Good luck with your loaves!

  • @aszka2
    @aszka2 3 роки тому +1

    Thank You very much! Very helpful!

  • @davidcardinal9900
    @davidcardinal9900 5 місяців тому +1

    Awsome exterior exterior loaf reading. Thanks!

  • @janwheeler87
    @janwheeler87 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this! I took your info and photos of crumb to distinguish which I had, an under or over proofed loaf. I had a pretty good idea when my dough going in got wrinkles and began deflating when I went to place in my Dutch oven. I was baking and cooking all day, so my kitchen was way too hot and I didn't take that into consideration when bulk proofing until it was too late. No, it didn't rise much, and the crust was separating from the crumb, but it still tasted fantastic. My first ever sourdough loaf was perfect day before last, but I followed the exact recipe and time table, but first was at my sisters home with some of my starter I had taken for her, and her home is kept at 65° year round, my kitchen today was probably in the high 80s with the oven and gas stove going all day ( I cook batches of homemade food for our dogs once a week). So thank you, I learned ALOT from your videos. Going to try again tomorrow with no cooking going on!!

  • @tahirfpv6135
    @tahirfpv6135 2 роки тому

    Excellent, thanks for helping me understand

  • @grannygood-law3887
    @grannygood-law3887 5 місяців тому +2

    Most excellent work I've seen on sourdough science. Plus, you give the transcript and minute by minute plays. Engineer?

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you’ll. Not an engineer, but I’ve always been quite analytical.

  • @peterthomas5792
    @peterthomas5792 6 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video, well done.

  • @Kayavod
    @Kayavod 2 роки тому +1

    This is great. I've been struggling with a 100% whole wheat recipe. This video's given me a lot of clues and the model for the experiment. Thank you so much.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks!

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому +1

      100% whole wheat is tricky. It will ferment much faster. And it can handle much higher hydration, typically than bread flour. I recommend pushing the hydration higher each time you bake until you find the maximum the flour can handle. Also, you won’t get a great windowpane with whole wheat, but I suggest still trying so you can get a feel for the dough as it is progressing through fermentation. .

    • @Kayavod
      @Kayavod 2 роки тому

      @@thesourdoughjourney Great! I will follow your advise. I know my problem is in the fermentation, because sometimes I get amazing bread and sometimes I have to toss the unruly mass of dough in the bin (so frustrating!). But I know it can be done, so I won't give up. Cheers.

  • @lolajacomino6574
    @lolajacomino6574 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for these valuable information. Now I know what I’m doing wrong, so let’s keep on learning 😊

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  6 місяців тому

      Thank you. Check out episode 3 and 4 of this series also.

  • @user-tm4il8lc9h
    @user-tm4il8lc9h 6 місяців тому +1

    Thanks so much Tom, i adore you

  • @jenn7210
    @jenn7210 3 роки тому +1

    enlightening. Thank you!

  • @terid6708
    @terid6708 3 роки тому

    Thank you so much for trying, and documenting, different aspects of the process. They have helped me. My kitchen runs about 65 in spring. This particular one works well for me. I use, and like, 50% whole wheat. boyfriend wants me to try 10% whole wheat, He likes a lighter white bread where I prefer the heavier whole wheat.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the feedback. At lower temperature you typically will have a wider margin of error on overproofing. But with 50% whole wheat you will get some accelerated fermentation. 10% whole wheat at 65F would be super slow, but tasty.

  • @menni8321
    @menni8321 2 роки тому +1

    This was very educating. I struggle a lot, mostly of my roomtemperature of 20°C. So I definitely have to bulkferment a lot longer

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  2 роки тому

      Thanks for the feedback. Here’s a whole video at 21C. ua-cam.com/video/HTKrdSOUJWs/v-deo.html

    • @menni8321
      @menni8321 2 роки тому

      @@thesourdoughjourney wauw!! Thank you very much!!

  • @stellah1643
    @stellah1643 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you. I’m in a colder climate and my last 2 loaves did well. This time my bulk fermentation is taking longer and I’ll be patient. 🙂

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  4 місяці тому

      Thank you. Also check out episodes 3 and 4 of this series.

  • @gigalulmansur
    @gigalulmansur 3 роки тому +1

    This channel is a gold mine. I'm getting free advanced lessons. I feel like I should be paying lol!

  • @aksourdough4890
    @aksourdough4890 3 роки тому +4

    Nice Tom. Always worth the watch. I built a Styrofoam proof box using seed sprouting mat and temp controller. The ability to precisely control temperature during ferments has made a big difference in my outcomes. Particularly here in frigid AK.

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому

      Thank you. That is a great idea.

    • @fairtaxjohnny
      @fairtaxjohnny 3 роки тому

      A DIY proofing box is on my Christmas wish list. Hat Tip to: ua-cam.com/video/yVYWMrBOL6c/v-deo.html

    • @ColleenScatena69
      @ColleenScatena69 Рік тому

      I have also made a proofing box the same way

  • @PietroSarro
    @PietroSarro 3 роки тому +1

    awesome explanation

    • @thesourdoughjourney
      @thesourdoughjourney  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you. Also check out Episode 3 in this series where I expand on this a little more.