Note to my long term viewers/subscribers - If you think this looks familiar that's because it is a "reworked" version of an old video. For some reason, UA-cam had problems with that one so I've edited it and here it is again. Your comments and ratings are appreciated as always.
Purchased a case of this stuff in ‘93. It was packed in a wooden crate and cost $99.00 for 1000.00 rounds, I should have bought a pallet of it. I still have the crate and some 20 boxes. The stuff shoots really good too so I’ve stopped using it mostly because I want to save it. Gone are the days my friends!
@@Oldbmwr100rs China cut of the nitrocellulose sales within the last yr IIRC. It was more relative to the ban something that was more connected to shear quantity of weapons and the cheap ammo. During that time a big shot chinese guy was sleeping in the clinton white house. I never heard about the RPGs, but did read talk about full auto AKs going to street gangss and about 3,000 class three AKM receivers with the third hole did come in. I have chinese .22 rifles and would have purchased other sporting guns if the ban had not occurred.
I think that depends on what the market would want. For the most part the Chinese make better quality stuff today than they did 30+ years ago, however Chinese labor cost have increased over that time as well so they would not be able to flood the market with dirt cheap product like they did.
In Australia we can find this pretty commonly, it's generally looked down on by most shooters which is good for me. I've had it in Silver, Dark Yellow, Light Yellow, Dark Green and light green boxes. All tend to be different factory codes and either copper wash or lacquered steel cases. All say non corrosive on the box and lead core. I get about the same size groups as you but I am using an AIA M10 rifle. Thanks for the content I really enjoy your videos.
@@dannyarcher6163 bolt , pump, lever action Rimfire sand centrefire rifles are no issue , can’t have semi auto unless on a specific licence for collecting, dealing , primary production or professional hunting. Handguns you have to be in a club . It’s all a bit convoluted but basically just can’t have semi autos is the best way to sum it up.
Interesting, I've only seen the lead cores stuff sold here in these silver/grey boxes. For the most part I've found Norinco ammo to be pretty good value.
This is widely available here in South Africa still, including the M193 in 55gr 5.56x45 by Norinco. A new shipment is due anyday now from China and it will not last long, a couple million rounds sells out in days and we have to wait months inbetween shipments. At USD$ 0,50 a round, it's understandable why it sells out so quickly. It's accurate out of my Romanian WUM-1
I still have a couple thousand rounds of this exact ammo left over from 1994 when I bought my Mini-30 just before the assault weapons ban took effect. Cost me about $100 per thousand as I recall, and I stocked up at the time. Good ammo.
@@314299Makes sense, they do best with handloads or .308 factory ammo, although mine is very accurate out to 100 yards plinking with both this stuff and the Wolf steel case 124 grain. By accurate, I mean I can easily break the white flyer clay pigeons at will out to that range. The Ruger manual says to use factory ammo in .308 diameter, but all this Russian / Chinese 7.62x39 is .311, however I’ve had no issues with it. I handload and thought about getting setup for this caliber, but have so much of the Milsurp ammo put away I haven’t got there yet.
I was living in Anchorage Alaska when Norinco ammo was sold in the US. I bought so much of the ammo I can't even guess how much I shot up. The 223 brass Norinco cases are great for reloading. Nice to see the Ruger in 7.62x39 so just recently as a AR upper builder I sell AR uppers I just finished the first AR 15 in the Nazi German 7.92x33 Kurz which turned out to be on most extreme side of accurate that got my brain wondering what could the 7.92x33 do in a bolt action rifle and the Ruger M77 for 7.62x39 came to mind to barrel for the 7.92x33 Kurz and open the bolt face just a little for the 8mm Kurz
@@Bojangles6 The Germans used the 8mmx57 Mauser cut in half then went back to the 8mm Bullet in 124 grain. So, any bolt rifle for the 7.62x39 the bolt face would need to be opened up a slight bit. You can look yourself the head base size of the 8 mm Mauser then check the head base size of the 7.62x39 . When I put together the AR 15 for the 7.92x33 Kurz I used the AR 15 bolt for the 450 Bushmaster. The magazine you have should work for the 7.92x33 Kurz because I am using the C-production 7.62x39 AR 15 mags and the Duramag 20 round for 7.6x39. Someone would have to see the accuracy of this AR 15 in 7.92x33 Kurz which surely has to do with the Barrel I used is a Pac Nor stainless steel super match 8mm (323") barrel. I also have used the Surefire 30 cal muzzle break to have zero recoil. I have on the AR 15 the Sig 3x9 scope. I have now use with powers of the same used for the 7.62x39 and same weight of powder is being used now in the 7.92x33 so I have to take a guess there isn't much of a difference between the 7.62x39 and the 7.92x33 only the 8mm is the difference. To get this AR 15 to work with the 8mm Kurz was very complicated and took the parts needed to make a suppressed AR in 300 BLK work. With $1000 into this 8mm Barrel it wasn't a deal of accept defeat on the project, so the cost of parts just kept adding up. When I start to sell these AR 15 uppers in 7.92x33 it is going to be a kit or without all the working parts the AR won't work, and buyer won't be able to fix the problems it is so complicated. The bolt action is 8mm Kurz would be a simple project from the start. Look for in this year for my channel to start previewing these specialized AR rifles in videos under my commercial channel called Lure Benson
There was a lot of the Norinco 5.56 ammo sold here, it still turns up for sale occasionally. Considering the price it went for it was pretty good, certainly not match grade but it was better than some Philippine made ammo I had.
@@314299 We got it nearly 30 years ago, but I don't recall seeing any commercial boxes back then. If I remember correctly, it was already on stripper clips.
I have had a Fair bit of this stuff over the years it's actually surprisingly decent ammo it shoots better in my Sks than alot of the commercial russian non corrosive stuff that was on the market
That has been my experience with this lead core stuff, more accurate than any steel core load but it does not shoot to the same point of aim as the steel core stuff.
What was the barrel length of that ruger. I once on a hot day shooting chinese steel core got about 2550 fps out of an sks rifle with 20 inch barrel. The chinese tend not to under their ammo is what I have noticed.
@@314299 So in a 22 inch barrel ~2450 is more like 2200 fps in a 16" barrel. I had gotten a little bit of similar ammo and in a Romainian made AKM it was 3 MOA on a good day once I removed the loose slant type flash hider from the gun.
310" is normal for European countries for 7.62x39 or 7.62x54R and 303 British I pulled the bullets they came out odd balls from the same batch from 310" to 311". The 7.7 Jap can be a bit odd also from 310" to 311" bullet size. I buy the PPU 311' 150 grain for my reloaded 7.62x39 that works fantastic, and the bullets are a very nice profile boat tail soft point
I bought a few boxes of these as well as some yellow box back around 2009, still have them, never fired any. Kinda bought them just as part of a collection of AK ammo and AK mags.
Do you mean why do they use Berdan primers? I believe the reason they are used is that they are simpler than a Boxer primer. A Berdan primer has no separate anvil as the anvil is built into the primer pocket of the cartridge case.
That's GREAT ammo. Buy all that you can. Out of a SKS that stuff would eject the shell 10 ft in the air. Back in the day I was buying it for $99 a case. If only I knew then what I know now...
When this stuff first came on the market my income was quite low so I could not afford much of it, what I got was purchased years later at gun shows from guys were getting rid of it.
Again, I must have shot thousand and thousands of that Ammunition, cases of it, The Yellow box, the Silver gray box and some Green box that was available back in the day, I had several AK variants, I had a original Egyptian Maddi that was imported in 1982, those were the first ones here in the US. I also had many SKS's, Chinese, Russian and Hungarian. Lots of fun razing Hell with tin cans and plastic oil bottles in the berm of a gravel pit. Good informative Video, it's not all the same stuff made in the same factory from China. Peace- Dave
I recall seeing those Egyptian Maddi AK's advertised in US magazines "back in the day" and wished I could get one but I dont think they were ever sold up here. At the time they were the closest to a proper east block AK on the market.
I doubt it. I think this stuff shoots decent mostly as it is a simple lead core and is more likely to be concentric and balanced than the multi part M43 steel core bullet.
I'm curious, is there any collectibiity to 30 year old Chinese/Russian ammo like this, especially with the SKS/AK rifles from the same era picking up in value?
314299 thanks .. i have 6 boxes left. Not gonna ever fire it now.. gonna go in my ammo collection. I wish i had one of the yellow boxes that you have for my collection. THANKS for showing in detail too. RUSTY
If you have six boxes may I suggest that you fire one box to see how it performs, and make a video to share with the rest of us to show how you got along. Cheers!
@@314299 I dont have all that gear to test it. I will tell ya my AK and SKS like's it ! Six boxes left and they have a sticker on the from Bill's gun shop were i bought them $2.27 LOL They are put away not in my collector ammo box. Thanks for the redo video !! RUSTY
Note to my long term viewers/subscribers - If you think this looks familiar that's because it is a "reworked" version of an old video. For some reason, UA-cam had problems with that one so I've edited it and here it is again. Your comments and ratings are appreciated as always.
Dude wtf. You literally just made me think china and Russia are allowed to export 7.62x39 into the US. F uck you.
Y ....T is out of c on trol now ..
F.u.k shiite tube.
Holy Gun Show in 1992, Batman! Been a mighty long time since I've seen one of those boxes!
Be nice to have a time machine!
Purchased a case of this stuff in ‘93. It was packed in a wooden crate and cost $99.00 for 1000.00 rounds, I should have bought a pallet of it. I still have the crate and some 20 boxes. The stuff shoots really good too so I’ve stopped using it mostly because I want to save it.
Gone are the days my friends!
An inflation calculator converts that $99 to a current value of $216 today, and without doubt that would be a smoking deal if you could get it today.
I bought a case of 1200 rds for $100 in 1993
makes me wonder what all kinds of stuff norinco would still make if the US market was still open to them
We likely would not still have elevated prices for powder since now the Chinese are banning exports of raw nitrocellulose to the USA.
Well if Norinco hadn't been working on selling RPG's to gang members in California we'd still be getting stuff from them.
@@Oldbmwr100rs China cut of the nitrocellulose sales within the last yr IIRC. It was more relative to the ban something that was more connected to shear quantity of weapons and the cheap ammo. During that time a big shot chinese guy was sleeping in the clinton white house.
I never heard about the RPGs, but did read talk about full auto AKs going to street gangss and about 3,000 class three AKM receivers with the third hole did come in.
I have chinese .22 rifles and would have purchased other sporting guns if the ban had not occurred.
I think that depends on what the market would want. For the most part the Chinese make better quality stuff today than they did 30+ years ago, however Chinese labor cost have increased over that time as well so they would not be able to flood the market with dirt cheap product like they did.
In Australia we can find this pretty commonly, it's generally looked down on by most shooters which is good for me. I've had it in Silver, Dark Yellow, Light Yellow, Dark Green and light green boxes. All tend to be different factory codes and either copper wash or lacquered steel cases. All say non corrosive on the box and lead core. I get about the same size groups as you but I am using an AIA M10 rifle. Thanks for the content I really enjoy your videos.
Which rifles are you allowed in Australia?
@@dannyarcher6163 Very limited. At least I can own whatever I like here in South Africa.
@@dannyarcher6163 bolt , pump, lever action Rimfire sand centrefire rifles are no issue , can’t have semi auto unless on a specific licence for collecting, dealing , primary production or professional hunting. Handguns you have to be in a club .
It’s all a bit convoluted but basically just can’t have semi autos is the best way to sum it up.
Interesting, I've only seen the lead cores stuff sold here in these silver/grey boxes. For the most part I've found Norinco ammo to be pretty good value.
@@314299 Agreed, good value for sure. Thanks again for the videos!
I was buying those Chinese norinco factory 66 AK's in the 80's..fell in love with the AK!..
What were those selling for back in the day?
@314299 retail was $429.00
My Back still hurts from carrying boat loads of this stuff out of the Fun shows in the 90's!
They say exercise is good for you!
Being 1993 vintage and Berdan primed I would have thought corrosive.
Great video as always.... thank you.
Much of the Norinco commercial ammo is indeed corrosive despite what the box says, but I can attest that this stuff is indeed non corrosive primed.
Thanks for the time to re-upload the video. I missed the other and had good info.
Thanks for checking it out and for leaving a comment.
This is widely available here in South Africa still, including the M193 in 55gr 5.56x45 by Norinco. A new shipment is due anyday now from China and it will not last long, a couple million rounds sells out in days and we have to wait months inbetween shipments. At USD$ 0,50 a round, it's understandable why it sells out so quickly. It's accurate out of my Romanian WUM-1
Is the ammo sold in South Africa lead core like this or steel core M43 ball?
@@314299 Both depending on what comes in.
I still have a couple thousand rounds of this exact ammo left over from 1994 when I bought my Mini-30 just before the assault weapons ban took effect. Cost me about $100 per thousand as I recall, and I stocked up at the time. Good ammo.
A buddy had one of those Rugers and his was surprisingly accurate when he fed it hand loads with Hornedy bullets.
@@314299Makes sense, they do best with handloads or .308 factory ammo, although mine is very accurate out to 100 yards plinking with both this stuff and the Wolf steel case 124 grain. By accurate, I mean I can easily break the white flyer clay pigeons at will out to that range. The Ruger manual says to use factory ammo in .308 diameter, but all this Russian / Chinese 7.62x39 is .311, however I’ve had no issues with it. I handload and thought about getting setup for this caliber, but have so much of the Milsurp ammo put away I haven’t got there yet.
I was living in Anchorage Alaska when Norinco ammo was sold in the US.
I bought so much of the ammo I can't even guess how much I shot up.
The 223 brass Norinco cases are great for reloading.
Nice to see the Ruger in 7.62x39 so just recently as a AR upper builder I sell AR uppers I just finished the first AR 15 in the Nazi German 7.92x33 Kurz which turned out to be on most extreme side of accurate that got my brain wondering what could the 7.92x33 do in a bolt action rifle and the Ruger M77 for 7.62x39 came to mind to barrel for the 7.92x33 Kurz and open the bolt face just a little for the 8mm Kurz
I still reload my 1994 dated, Norinco CJ 223 cases. Good brass.
What is the head diameter on the x33? I have the ruger american ranch in x39, it has a 16" barrel. I use 20rd mini 30 mags in it.
@@Bojangles6 The Germans used the 8mmx57 Mauser cut in half then went back to the 8mm Bullet in 124 grain.
So, any bolt rifle for the 7.62x39 the bolt face would need to be opened up a slight bit.
You can look yourself the head base size of the 8 mm Mauser then check the head base size of the 7.62x39 .
When I put together the AR 15 for the 7.92x33 Kurz I used the AR 15 bolt for the 450 Bushmaster.
The magazine you have should work for the 7.92x33 Kurz because I am using the C-production 7.62x39 AR 15 mags and the Duramag 20 round for 7.6x39.
Someone would have to see the accuracy of this AR 15 in 7.92x33 Kurz which surely has to do with the Barrel I used is a Pac Nor stainless steel super match 8mm (323") barrel.
I also have used the Surefire 30 cal muzzle break to have zero recoil.
I have on the AR 15 the Sig 3x9 scope.
I have now use with powers of the same used for the 7.62x39 and same weight of powder is being used now in the 7.92x33 so I have to take a guess there isn't much of a difference between the 7.62x39 and the 7.92x33 only the 8mm is the difference.
To get this AR 15 to work with the 8mm Kurz was very complicated and took the parts needed to make a suppressed AR in 300 BLK work.
With $1000 into this 8mm Barrel it wasn't a deal of accept defeat on the project, so the cost of parts just kept adding up.
When I start to sell these AR 15 uppers in 7.92x33 it is going to be a kit or without all the working parts the AR won't work, and buyer won't be able to fix the problems it is so complicated.
The bolt action is 8mm Kurz would be a simple project from the start.
Look for in this year for my channel to start previewing these specialized AR rifles in videos under my commercial channel called Lure Benson
There was a lot of the Norinco 5.56 ammo sold here, it still turns up for sale occasionally. Considering the price it went for it was pretty good, certainly not match grade but it was better than some Philippine made ammo I had.
Pretty cool. I still have a stripper clip or two of Factory 71 made in 1994.
Did that come in commercial boxes or was it in bulk or spam cans?
@@314299 We got it nearly 30 years ago, but I don't recall seeing any commercial boxes back then. If I remember correctly, it was already on stripper clips.
I have had a Fair bit of this stuff over the years it's actually surprisingly decent ammo it shoots better in my Sks than alot of the commercial russian non corrosive stuff that was on the market
That has been my experience with this lead core stuff, more accurate than any steel core load but it does not shoot to the same point of aim as the steel core stuff.
I still have a few boxes of that ammo from when I bought it in the 1990's for about $4 a box.
Yeah, I recall seeing it for that price back in the day. With inflation I'm sure that would be about $8-$10 a box.
What was the barrel length of that ruger. I once on a hot day shooting chinese steel core got about 2550 fps out of an sks rifle with 20 inch barrel. The chinese tend not to under their ammo is what I have noticed.
The Ruger 77 MkII in 7.62x39 has a twenty-two inch barrel.
@@314299 So in a 22 inch barrel ~2450 is more like 2200 fps in a 16" barrel. I had gotten a little bit of similar ammo and in a Romainian made AKM it was 3 MOA on a good day once I removed the loose slant type flash hider from the gun.
I don't have that caliber anymore but I do pick up the duds at the range to pull the bullets for oversized 30s most are .310 and a little lighter.
310" is normal for European countries for 7.62x39 or 7.62x54R and 303 British I pulled the bullets they came out odd balls from the same batch from 310" to 311".
The 7.7 Jap can be a bit odd also from 310" to 311" bullet size.
I buy the PPU 311' 150 grain for my reloaded 7.62x39 that works fantastic, and the bullets are a very nice profile boat tail soft point
The standard bullets loaded in most 7.62x39 ammo has .310" to .3105" bullets at 123 grains
Really like your style bro. Just subscribed
Cool, thanks.
I bought a few boxes of these as well as some yellow box back around 2009, still have them, never fired any. Kinda bought them just as part of a collection of AK ammo and AK mags.
As time passes they will indeed end up being more of a collectable item.
I wonder why the military chooses that type of primer do they store better longterm? Great v8d!
Corrosive primers tend to be less affected by temperature than non-corrosive primers. Both types will last a century or more in proper storage.
Do you mean why do they use Berdan primers? I believe the reason they are used is that they are simpler than a Boxer primer. A Berdan primer has no separate anvil as the anvil is built into the primer pocket of the cartridge case.
@314299 makes sense cheaper to produce and probably easier after thinking about it
That's GREAT ammo. Buy all that you can. Out of a SKS that stuff would eject the shell 10 ft in the air. Back in the day I was buying it for $99 a case.
If only I knew then what I know now...
When this stuff first came on the market my income was quite low so I could not afford much of it, what I got was purchased years later at gun shows from guys were getting rid of it.
Good stuff from norinco
This stuff was certainly amongst the best Norinco ammo sold.
Again, I must have shot thousand and thousands of that Ammunition, cases of it, The Yellow box, the Silver gray box and some Green box that was available back in the day, I had several AK variants, I had a original Egyptian Maddi that was imported in 1982, those were the first ones here in the US. I also had many SKS's, Chinese, Russian and Hungarian. Lots of fun razing Hell with tin cans and plastic oil bottles in the berm of a gravel pit. Good informative Video, it's not all the same stuff made in the same factory from China. Peace- Dave
I recall seeing those Egyptian Maddi AK's advertised in US magazines "back in the day" and wished I could get one but I dont think they were ever sold up here. At the time they were the closest to a proper east block AK on the market.
I use to buy this ammo for 3 bucks. I miss the 90s.
I think we all miss the 1990's for a whole lot of reasons.
Brought to you by the Peoples Liberation Army , with love .
Probably not much love involved. More like profit.
Wonder if the flat open base might have helped obturation.
I doubt it. I think this stuff shoots decent mostly as it is a simple lead core and is more likely to be concentric and balanced than the multi part M43 steel core bullet.
The US Army discovered the typical 7.62X39 steel core, boat tail bullet won't tumble in the human body. The flat base, lead core bullets do tumble.
Yup. 1200 rounds per case of which i still have 2 cases. Good stuff. Mine is 1995 manufacturing
Nice. Hard to believe that ammo is now 30 years old.
Lord, how much of this stuff I shot over the years. It was decent stuff.
At one time one could be excused for thinking that the supply was almost endless.
Been watching the channel since the beginning. What's ownership status now in Trudeau land?
Of ammo? No real changes that I am aware of.
@314299 the things that send the ammo downrange....
I'm curious, is there any collectibiity to 30 year old Chinese/Russian ammo like this, especially with the SKS/AK rifles from the same era picking up in value?
There is probably a little collector value but not much. Most would consider it just old ammo.
@@314299 👍
had boxes of that in 223 it had a yellow box. Used to run that through the ruger mini 14
The 223 Norinco ammo was available up here until not that long ago.
I found a box of this a few years back and bought it just bc you never see it in the USA anymore.
I expect 99% of it got fired many years ago.
Old school cool 😎
Indeed!
🇦🇺😎👍I saw that stuff back in the 90s
To the best of my knowledge the 1990's was when it was in production and widely distributed.
So Norinco silver box is what Norinco Red Box is these days ?
No, the red box stuff is steel core M43 type ball, not lead core.
@@314299 ahh gotcha thanks!
With it being Chinese I am curious on what part they cheaped out in
It was cheap as the people making it were paid next to nothing. The quality is actually pretty good.
314299 thanks .. i have 6 boxes left. Not gonna ever fire it now.. gonna go in my ammo collection. I wish i had one of the yellow boxes that you have for my collection. THANKS for showing in detail too. RUSTY
If you have six boxes may I suggest that you fire one box to see how it performs, and make a video to share with the rest of us to show how you got along. Cheers!
@@314299 I dont have all that gear to test it. I will tell ya my AK and SKS like's it ! Six boxes left and they have a sticker on the from Bill's gun shop were i bought them $2.27 LOL They are put away not in my collector ammo box. Thanks for the redo video !! RUSTY
👍👍 ......
Thanks.
Thirty years ago I shot lots of these rounds it was not accurate it was dirty and it was cheap.
Was the stuff you shot lead core or steel core?
🇦🇺😎👍Hey brother
Greetings.