Carboot sale finds vlog 5 valve amp & synthesizer
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2018
- Just a sunday morning carboot sale vlog to show where some of my finds come from. I have since found the schematics for the amplifier but am not sure it will be worth restoring.
The Dog in the video is not mine but it has a wonderful character and is adorable.
All music written & performed by JEM Jason Lee : Eddy Deegan : Markus Fuller 2018.
Those old heathkits were very desirable when I was younger, very nice sounding and well worth restoration
The start of this video makes it look like you're about to infiltrate a secret facility
I love how the auto-accompaniment on the SHS-10 sounds like an obvious attempt to render Herbie Hancock's "Chameleon" without infringement!
Yamaha did that constantly. My qy700 has a slight ripoff of maiden voyage
In the 1960's USA, Heathkit was a big name seller and their kits were not only very educational, but produced some very fine sounding audio. You should have no trouble finding a schematic for this one.
To understand the design, you have to think like people did back in the 1960's.
At the time (and judging from the look of the amp, it could be from the early 1960's) stereo was not well understood, but the "stereo" label appeared on everything -- as a selling point.
Many record players were labeled STEREO when in fact they were MONO -- but used a stereo cartridge and stylus to play the new stereo records. Some had an output jack for a second amplifier and speaker - which was sold separately - thus a record player cost twice as much as it did -- because you have to buy more stuff for it.
Tape recorders used the same nasty trick, and brands like Wollensak, RCA, Westinghouse (USA) often sold what were really mono recorders with stereo heads -- with a second preamp output for a secondary amp and speakers to play stereo tapes. So these machines were labeled stereo when they were not really stereo. They were stereo capable. Welcome to the world of marketing!
The result was confusion on the part of consumers about WHAT stereo actually was. Many "Stereo" machines sounded exactly like Mono machines, and the public did not understand the concept of stereo at all.
In fact, the Disney company created the hit movie, "Fantasia", with a STEREO sound track (because stereo was such a hot label)... but MANY theaters could not play the sound track in stereo. Yet the public saw the name STEREO plastered all over the titles, and heard Mono sound and thought "I don't get it".
These things delayed the widespread public adoption and understanding of stereo for several years!
No wonder, huh?
Confusion reigned and information was scarce.
The "truth in advertising" rule (USA) was being stretched pretty thin, and mfgs did not want the public catching on to their game. So only serious audiophiles - who bought and read serious audiophile magazines (NOT "Popular Mechanics") ever got even a clue about this new "wonder sound".
There was no Internet, and no specialized radio channels or TV channels (in the US, we had about 5 TV channels) to explain any of this. The magazines and books (i.e. at the public library) were the only means of spreading knowledge -- and they were way behind actual events because of enormously long printing times. Everything was done manually then - no digital on-demand stuff. So the April Issue of "Hi-Fi Stereo" magazine was written about 3 months earlier! By the time it came to print, something new was already on the market!
Yet, stereo sound was so good (when properly done) that it did finally come into its own -- albeit with a few "speed bumps" along the way. And vintage stereo has a quality of depth that we don't really experience today. It was more "binaural" and has a greater stereo illusion. That is why "vintage sound" is so popular among collectors today. In fact the SONY 530 stereo tape recorder (a top seller in the mid 1960's) labeled its headphone output "Binaural phones"!
Sorry for the lecture...
It was common to have a "stereo reverse" switch in the earlier amps because stereo was a new thing and people often got the left-right (A and B on the amp) mixed up. Remember, no education readily available. I think you will have to re-install the switch or you'll get no sound.
I also think you are correct, someone took the switch out to use it elsewhere. What probably happened was the electrolytic caps started to go bad, the owner got a new kit and needed the switch for the new kit - perhaps as a "mod".
I had a Lafayette stereo amplifier kit and the "multi-section" capacitor that came with it started leaking a week after I assembled it,. It wasn't covered by warranty and the replacement cost was half that of the whole kit! Kits often had outdated components because they were cheaper and the mfgs figured people would screw up the build anyway!
Some early amps had a Stereo-Mono switch -- which allowed users to plug one channel in and have it come out through both speakers.
I think your biggest concern is the wire jackets. Some of it can disintegrate -- making you have to replace all the wiring in the box. At that point, you basically have to re-build the whole kit!
I think the Com-3-15 is to match the impedance (ohms) of the speakers to the amp. In the early 1960's, speakers came in a wide variety of impedances. 8 ohm eventually dominated. So I am surprised they don't have an 8 ohm as well -- but it may be because this is an early stereo amp.
The com is the ground. The speakers have to be phased properly, so you'd take your left (or right) terminals from your speakers and each would go to the com screw. The other line would go to EITHER the 3 or the 15 - but NOT both (i.e. right channel 3 and left channel 15).
Tube (valve - in UK) amps are very sensitive to the impedance of the speakers and they must match or you can blow your output transformers.
Also, If you got your speakers out of phase, the stereo sound envelope would lose all the bass, but provide an interesting echo effect, especially if you used a mono source.
If you did re-build the amp and pumped a synth through it (especially the MOOG), you might be pleasantly surprised at the quality of the vintage sound!
Love your videos as always.
Sorry for the long comment!
clydesight Wow Clydesight that was a very good informative read thankyou for taking time to share that knowledge. best wishes from markus
I love this! It shows us a window into your world! It's very interesting to me here in the USA! Great music btw! Cheers Markus!
Nice haul, and a cute doggy to boot :)
thanks for waking up so early on sunday morning to make these videos ! in this time of year its not only a lucky dip to find stuff in carboot sale but to get a decent dry weather tooo :)
Maybe he pulled an all-nighter!!!
I know zero about electronics and synths but for some reason love this channel ;)
Nothing shouts 'dedication' like 5am on a December morning. In a car park. In Brighton. Thank You.
Insightful and entertaining as always. :-)
Dedication, mate! 5am car boot sale. I'd be happier working the time and a half and then buying the item on-line! I did do the car boot thing for a while but I aged horribly with all the early mornings, then the fixing up of the stuff at night!!
Coolest "car boot gear hunt" soundtrack EVER!
That Yamaha would be awesome to circuit bend!! Awesome channel by the way :)
The music is starting to sound like Tangerine Dream. Add a keytar solo now and you're in business!
Very cool finds. You'd be amazed how much better that key-tar sounds on a full sized sound system. :) I think I had an amp that was a little newer than the one shown here. Thanks for the video. :)
ThomasGrillo Hello Thomas. yes the keytar does sound quite good for a mini key toy looking synth and theres some interesting rhythms on it also. the amp i think is a parts donator as there are lots of caps problems and many of the wires are in bad state as the insulation is cracking away. plus at least one valve ( tube ) does not look good.
Love the music!
Carl Richards Thank you Carl
Heathkit made a large range of kits, many of them for the amateur radio market. I believe you could buy some of their products fully built.
You should have no problems finding a schematic for that amp, they have a cult following, particularly in the US even to this day
Couple of nice pickups Marcus! Dig that amp! Hopefully it's repairable.
Marshal Arnold Hi Marshal I think the amp has far too many problems to make it worth repairing. I have been going through it today with the schematic , many caps need replacing, cable insulation is cracking away, one valve is dead, i have not tested the transformers yet. and on a sad note I have been told the ONE may not arrive until february next year . oh well I will wait and keep on watching your channel for all the information and sounds and music that you are making. keep up the good work.
@@markusfuller bummer! On both accounts. But still was really cool to get a look inside that thing! Always am fascinated by the insides of electronics, and seeing something so old is doubly cool!
Yeah, as cool as the One is, it has a good amount of bug fixes needed. Am assuming that's the reason for the delay. I'm struggling to get it into productions the way I'd like to due to these, but by the time they ship internationally hopefully that will all be in the past! Looking forward to getting ya on the channel for a chat once yours arrives!
@@markusfuller btw, really liking the music in this vid also, great work on that!
That’s a great find! Where I live (Germany) that’d go for €50 at least.
Good video Markus. Best of luck with that Heathkit amp!! I think it's too far gone. (now there's a challenge for you)
Doktor Uzo Looks like it will need quite a lot to repair it, more than its worth really.
A couple of weeks ago I performed at the company Christmas party. I used my SHS-10 as a sort of prank-act in the middle so I wouldn't be sitting at the organ all the time. I switched on the demo song - Last Christmas - and pretended to be playing. There was much laughter when I started making "jazz-hands" and my co-workers realized that the keyboard had been playing all by itself the whole time.
I bet Fran wouldn't mind having that amp in her lab :)
Steady on!!
Quite fitting... my friend had that Yammy keytar, the demo song on hers was "Last Christmas", and it has an ending.
And we are all just as grateful every time that song does end.
@@zooblestyx You're not kidding, I hope that Markus can confirm but it does loop twice, then gives up and plays a twinkly ending. Sadist demo tunes are a thing, I'm sure.
Yes I played that tune on it but decided the youtube copyright algorithms may take it down so did not use it in the video.
Mail the amp off to Mr Carlson's Lab?! He can't resist old valve amps for restoration. The missing switch would probably drive him crazy though. And, you'd have to make sure he didn't see your video showing the insides of the thing. The lack of anticipation might significantly reduce his motivation to work on it. The assembly instructions and circuit diagrams are readily available for all the Heathkit stuff, though, which is a bonus.....
I'd love to have that keytar ... used to have one back in the days never used the internal sounds thou .. I just used it as a midi controller. I regret selling mine..
Put the drum machine sound through a gated reverb to get a huge drum sound like I did in the 80s. Mine was red and bought at a department store during the Christmas season.
Morning? Looks like feckn midnight!
Perhaps the USB thinking is on the right lines. Keep the case and controls, but have it do something new, in keeping with its original use. How about a new, homemade amp inside, with a valve glowing? A modern Heathkit project.
Urgh, 5am on a Sunday. Rather you than me....
Oh, we used to have an expression regarding Hunts capacitors. It was Hunt for c***ts due to the appalling quality. Might be fun to rebuild it and add a bluetooth module?
HI I USED to do the car boot years ago i stopped as getting to them would cost silly money denham ascot was full of gear like you got in the end
i put ad's in the fee ad's when car boot buyers picked up gear they just could not fix they put it in the ad's to get there money back
and i got ton's of cool gear this way there is ton's of gear around in lock up's still not working when buying gear i sometime pick up what i have seen is mind blowing
gear that's on ebay/carboot is not working beware keep away from some model's i am doing video's HELL REPAIRS on some that are hell to fix
and a work a round for the TASCAM 248 8 TRACK RECORDER using a drive belt and new motor where the pain in the back old motor was
all ways playing up
Hi Bob. I agree that everuthing I buy I expect it to not be working even if the seller says its ok. that way I am not disappointed if it does not work and happy if it does :-)
I wonder, why all flee markets take place at such an early hour? I always miss them cause I'm night person.
When i saw the video thumbnail image i was appalled that someone would stuff a dogs head. but when i watch the video, i laugh so hard XD
Hi,
The Yamaha keytar can sell for a pretty penny on eBay. It's power of course lies in the midi out. When connected to a big keyboard or sound module, although the small keys take a bit of time getting used to, give the freedom to move about on the stage with other band members.
Well done, a hidden gem. A keyboard player I used to know even customized his almost beyond recognition. Have fun and rock out!!!
David
David M Thanks David. i found some pretty interesting sounds and rhythms on it.
Just bought a CZ230s at a fleamarket, and a Clap Trap the other month - both are broken. Don't know whether to call it bad luck or not..? :(
Fake Tablet I have bought many things broken and very unrepairable. it is the luck of the draw.
If you fancy selling that Heathkit - I'd be interested.
The start of this looks a dead ringer for Marion and Geoff
AvE is a good laugh
bolton368 yes he is brilliant Im a big fan.
@@markusfuller skookum
Great video, could I ask would you be willing to let us know prices you pay for things in approximate ball park area
crazyboy2006cashier Hello the amp cost £8 and the synth cost £10 ukpounds
markusfuller Thankyou I meant in your bootfair videos going forward, it’s curious to see what sellers value their “sale items at”. You don’t get that here on the London/Kent border
It's apparently a 3+3 watt amplifier. There is a schematic at www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=76478. It would be a shame to strip it for parts, particularly as it has all its valves.
Thumbs up Indiana USA.
Truth Seeker Thank you Truth. Hi to Indiana from Brighton Uk.
Might I suggest checking out "Mr Carlson's Lab" youtube channel if you are interested in the restoration of old tube amplifiers, radio's, power supplies, oscilloscopes, etc. Most likely the most in depth channel on restoring and trouble shooting vintage gear.
SublimatedIce I am subscribed to the great my carlson, I love his workspace and his knowledge is amazing.
Check out Mr Carlsons Lab for all your tube equipment repair vids. Please be careful with that amp. 400v all over it Marcus
Do you find it difficult to wake up so early? This is absolutely opposite the tendencies of musicians.
I've never understood why they have that one on the top level. Surely people could keep their goods out of the sea spray on any of the other floors
Tony Ling Hello Tony. they tried that a few years ago on a lower level but the large vans could not get under there and the marina will only give them one level so as there are often more vans than cars the organiser realised it was better or more profitable to stay with the top level.
@@markusfuller My van wouldn't make it, but it would be nice to have some cars down on L3. Do you do the racehill on your way back?
I bought a Cloud CX335 on eBay from a fella just up the road through eBay this evening, he bought it from a boot sale he said, he probably did alright out of that, I did too for £58 for a very tidy example, very happy with it
That thumbnail is just pure clickbait ;)
That was unintentional but it was such a wonderful image.
I’ll give you stuff to fix if you want content 👍🏻👀
Tee Don Hi Tee. sorry I do not need any more stuff but thanks for the offer.
markusfuller as I can well imagine 😂👍🏻
5:20 you scared me. don't do that anymore -_-
OMEGA The USB was a perfect fit.
It's a Marshall amplifier, isn't it? Maybe contact them (with pictures), tell them the story and ask for help (missing parts and schematic)?
Love your vids, love your music. However, being hard of hearing I cannot hear what you are saying when you put music over your voice so this excludes me, and I guess anyone else who is patially deaf, from listening to what you have to say. I assume you dont do this on purpose and ask you to consider hard of hearing people in futre vids, thanks for sharing.
ISO Guy Thank you ISO Guy for bringing that up, it is always a difficult balance to when music is used as background when there is also speech. I do raise and lower the music as the video plays to try and make my voice heard but I do see your point. I was going to write the closed captioning for this video because of the bad audio at the beginning but realised after the video was processed on youtube that I have my text overlays appearing in the same areas where closed captioning would appear if turned on, ie text over text . I wish youtube would allow the positioning of CC closed captioning. but thank you I will try and keep this in mind on further videos and try to remember to fill out the closed captions.
i'm surprised you find anything worth anything at a car boot/market. our local large market has nothing but scrap at it, mostly overpriced scrap because their target "market" aka buyers maybe believe they're getting a bargain because it's at a market. from research i find people usually go to buy a burger and half a walk around/something to do. buy the usual 20 quids worth of consumables etc. ebay destroyed local boot fairs/markets
Yes it does seem to be lots of junk at carboot sales. there was one stall a long while back but nothing was for sale on it as a film crew was there filming someone buying an item. they filmed the same item being sold to a buyer several times until they got it right for TV. not sure if it was the BBC but I thought how the viewers were being deceived into thinking this was reality when infact it was staged as the stallholder would not sell anything to anyone except the planned buyer. I wish I had my video camera with me on that day.