Even though I've been in RC for over 45 years, I was doing control line in 1962 with my dad. It was so cool to see the video from the center of the circle, just like how it used to be! Thanks for the renewed memories of a great part of our hobby that continues today to motivate and educate kids, and their parents, about model aviation!
I did this back in the day, ok, um well I kinda did this back in the day, ok to be honest I didn't actually do the last part of the loop series very often. I usually just went from one or two loops then straight to straight into the ground! Lolol I never got reliable engine performance, and actually had no idea how to do what I was trying to do. No neighbors ever did this stuff, they would all gather to watch me like 3 months of paper route wages into the ground and even help pick up the pieces, not nobody could offer helpful insite! Thanks for sharing!
Excellent display of CL Aerobatics, Very Hard to imagine,,,the manoeuvres can be managed in CL... Think its time to get the Diesels running again... :)
Listen to that big ST chugging through everything like a mule, nice 4-2-4 breaks and all. Very clean flying, enjoyed this a lot - thanks for posting! Added bonus: if you ever wondered what an ST 60 twin ukie would sound like, just replay the overlapping parts of the video at the edits.
I go to a lot of C/L events in UK doing C/L Speed and see a lot of 'stunt' flying. Thanks for putting the video up its great to see it from your perspective. Now I am surprised I don't see more 'incidents'! You are brave to fly the model that your dad built such a long time ago, but is seems to be in very safe hands!
Nice field and nice flying! Recalling my Stunt days about 50 years ago with a Top Flight "Nobler" and Fox .35 Stunt. As I watched, I recognized a lot of the pattern ... the square loops and eights, and the Triangles (I hated those) .. Cuban eights, and Vertical eights ... nice! It saddens me that kids today know nothing of model aircraft and competition (indoor or outdoor). Makes me feel like a fossil ...
+Inferalanding It looks a lot closer then he really is. Its just the way the GoPro makes it look. We are very mindful of the 14" prop swinging at 7800 RPM and have been flying for 40+ years and still have all our fingers.
A great plane with great piloting! Well done, love to see stunts well executed like this. Brings back some great memories for me, I need to get back to control-line flying again.
Yeah man! I like that. When I was a kid, control line aircraft were my great love! I started out with Cox PT19 and flew plastic aircraft for years, Then Balsa .049's, Then discovered big balsa aircraft with the .35 stunt engines..... I eventually moved on up to RC's.
I am more of the r/c pilot myself been flying for about ten years. But I find this fascinating. not sure if I really want to start over. You make it look easy. Well done
I flew this Stunt Pattern many times when I was a youth some 50 years ago. Was also the WISC State champ in the Junior Division. Happy days from AMA 26676
Sweet plane and great engine run. Now I know why Stiletto. Those corners are sharper than I've ever seen flown. I've flown RC for 40 years and R/C is for babies compared to C/L stunt. Just making consecutive loops in the same spot and pulling out at 5 feet each time makes rolling 8 point circles seem easy. No model aviation is quite as intense, except for C/L combat ;) Great pattern, beautiful plane. Just started back into Stunt. Gonna take a while.
Very cool. I only fly RC planes, but i think this offers a lot. I like the fact you stay "with the plane". Radio control, they get up and get small real quick. Cant really enjoy the looks of it when its flying. Well, yall get my meaning.
Yes I also fly RC and I know exactly what you mean. The one thing I love about control line over RC is you are much more "one" with the plane, its an extension of you while flying and you can feel it where as there is no feel in RC.
+William Haley Cox planes have almost done more damage to the hobby than good because of them being under powered and crashing as you mentioned. Most people got turned off because of that. If they would have had ample power I think more people would have pursued the hobby further.
+proetnova I agree. Today, I spent the afternoon flying a Sig Kavalier and a carbon z cub. Two polar opposites. I made it through the Cox days and 30+ years later I'm still having fun. The .049 can really be a cantankerous little jewel.
True story about the Spitfire, I worked mowing lawns to buy a Spitfire, It was the light green with dark green Camo, came from a Whites home and Auto store, My first plane, cost about $12.50, a lot for a 9 year old in the early 60's, You would mow a complete acre yard for about $1.50, I took it to the school ground with no one to help me, waited for someone to come by to launch it. The first person to ride up on a bike was a kid about 5 years older than me, he asked me if I had ever flown, I said no, He said, you better let me fly it first because I have flown a lot of these and wouldn't want to see it crash, I agreed. When I launched the plane off the grass, he did the typical beginner wing over and straight into the ground, destroyed the plane, He walked over and said, there's something wrong with that one and rode off on his bike. I never got to fly my very first plane. I tried to buy one off E-Bay about 6 or 7 years ago, My top bid was $370.00 for a new in the box Spitfire just like I had purchased as a child, It went for $425.00 best I remember.
Perfect stunt setup and flying as well... beautiful flight field! I just looked after on google maps and found it by the link posted in the earlier comments! All the best from Curitiba - Brazil. Bruno
sir iam having problems with me flying my controlline aerobatic model .i some how tend to lift my arms very high so that elevator goes up and the model goes very high during take off and then there is a slack which makes me difficult to control,this has happened quite a number off times and the result was CRASH,plzz ADVICE as off my hand moments during take off ,should i be in neutral or slightly on the upper side ...
The first thing you want to check is if your control handle and wires are set to neutral. Meaning, before you fly have a friend hold the airplane then with the control lines held taught hold the handle in what you would consider level and comfortable for level flight. Have your friend holding the plane check the level of the elevator. It needs to be perfectly level with the stab. If it is up then that might be why the plane is going up so fast on you. There should be a way to adjust the wires at the handle to move the elevator to the level position. If you have already achieved this, then the next thing is your controls might be set to sensitive. You can tame down the controls by moving the wires at the handle in closer together. Another way is on the airplane it self. If you look at the control horn of the elevator if you can access the push rod and move it to a further hole out or away from the elevator this will also make the controls less sensitive, Thus preventing you from over controlling the plane. Another mistake a lot of guys do while learning is over controlling the plane with wrist movement, You can actually fly the plane up and down just by lifting your arm and lowering you arm, the plane will track right with your arm. Something else you can try to gain you some line tension is to give your plane some engine offset. If your motor is mounted sideways just add a shim or washer under the front two motor bolts, If its mounted upwards or inverted, loosen all the motor bolts and try to twist the motor to the outboard wing, then tighten the bolts back down. If the plane after all of this is still to jumpy, the next thing would be to check for center of gravity, the plane could be to tail heavy creating unstable flight characteristics. You would then have to add some lead nose weight or find a heavier nose spinner or figure a way to get weight off the tail of the plane if possible. Typically the plane should balance about around or just in front of the thickest part of the wing or wing spar for a good starting place. Hope this helps!
Thank you soo much for your valuable advice sir,i just added a lit bit of weight on the wing tip so that i get good line tension,will try and fly the plane the next weekend and will get back with you with the feed back, thank yu soo much once again sir God bless...
Great video, It's like I'm flying again. I guess electrics have their place but I can't imagine how the electric motor can pick up power in a climb and go back to 4 cycle in a dive and level flight. I have never flown competition Control line, but have flown enough to understand how to tune the engine, when I first started flying anything bigger than a cox .049, fifty years ago, I tuned the engine for peak power and tried to do stunts at 80 mph, I broke a few planes before I went somewhere and saw it being done at about 60 mph, the whole world of flying changed for me, everything slowed down.
Which is no good for Control Line Stunt... You want to pick up RPM in climbs and slow down in dives. There are electronics coming available to do this now but just straight constant RPM is no good unless you just want to fly level the entire flight.
Hi Gary, After doing some research, I have learned that there are electric controllers that sense the motion, or acceleration and pick a couple hundred rpm in a climb and go back in level flight. I think my next plane will be a nice electric, but I'm still gonna wear out all my gas powered planes I just drug out of the attic, don't want to smack the electric.
Gracias por el exelente video alta acrobacia con U control. Me vuelve a la memoria cuando yo hacia acrobacia FAI en Buenos Aires 60 anhos atras . Exelente ver las maniobras del lado del ecelente piloto ! Gracias amigo !
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seems like plane speed and engine rpm stay virtually the same regardless of its direction, up down horizontal. there is an audible dip in rpm during transition of direction but no increase in rpm or speed going down, no drop going up as well as no noticeable scrubbing of speed under aggressive direction changes. Is this actually the case or is it a perception thing, and if so is it engine and prop .design?
Control line engines utilize a venturi instead of a carb. You set engine speed by adjusting a needle valve which is what regulates how much fuel is sucked into the engine through the venturi. The more you screw in the needle valve the less fuel the motor gets (lean) and it actually makes the motor run faster to a point. The more you unscrew it the engine goes rich with more fuel being added and will run slower. On the ground before launch you listen for whats called a 2-4 break where the motor is trying to run fast but is just holding back right on the break point. You can hear this in the first 15 seconds of the video. The engine then runs wide open until the tank runs out. We also use a big prop and turn it slow for two reasons. Many RC planes use a small prop and turn them fast. We need more torque than horsepower to be able to fly control line stunt because as you saw some of our maneuvers have their bottoms at 5 feet off the ground and then perform 90 degree turns to pull up vertical again. So our engines are designed to run at a consistent speed through out the flight. The engine actually breaks into a 2 cycle in the vertical giving just a bit more power but then on the down leg the big prop actually then acts like an air brake to keep from gaining unwanted speed. Another big factor in a consistent engine run is how the fuel tank is designed. We run a uniflow designed tank which tricks the engine into thinking it has a full tank of fuel for the duration on the flight until the very end. Otherwise with out the pressurized system the engine would continue to get leaner and leaner though out the flight as fuel is burned off. Just before the engine quits you can hear it pick up in RPM as the uniflow vent becomes uncovered with fuel as the tank is running out. This can be a tricky combination to setup/maintain and any 1 thing in the system can cause a poor/unconsistent engine run, and that's why electrics are taking over the hobby. But when you know how the system works and get it right the results are simply amazing. Plus you'll never hear an electric that sounds that good lol
It comes with practice. To do a loop. Do it big to start out. Basically for the first few times, do a climb over the top of the circle and what would be behind you but keep turning with the plane, then after doing that a few times, start to tighten it up where the high point is directly over head. Keep turning with the plane. After you get comfortable doing that a few times. Do it standing still and let the plane fly the loop over and behind you. Then after you get comfortable doing that slowly start tightening the loops up. After you can get a loop with the top of the loop around 60-70 degrees of elevation, add a second loop. You'll pick it up from there pretty quick. Main thing is to not give it to much up right away when you begin the loop other wise you'll end up with a figure 9 ending in the ground. After you get comfortable doing loops, and you feel ready to tackle inverted. Here is how I suggest to do it. By the way this is all down downwind obviously but instead of being directly down wind as you would do your loops for the first time fly slightly passed down wind and then begin whats called a lazy eight. So start a loop and try to get the top around 60-70 degrees of elevation, then just as the plane is rounding over on its back and starting to descend, go to neutral on the controls. then you should be in a shallow descent inverted as the plane becomes closer to 30 degrees elevation, give it down control. And it will actually go up, continue feeding down control until the model completes the outside loop of the lazy eight and you end up right side up. Do these over and over and over. Get used to watching the model go up while you are giving it down control inverted... Then once you can do these in your sleep, start extending them out to where you are flying inverted for longer stretches. You should be able to virtually stretch them out easily to half of the flying circle while standing in the same place with out moving facing downwind. That way at both points when the plane is in the initial climb the wind is actually helping blow the plane vertical and then same when flying back across the circle inverted in a descent and then climbing while inverted on the other side with the wind now once again helping lift the plane over the top. Once you can do these over and over then stretch the inverted flight out to a full lap and obviously turn/walk with the plane, then exit inverted like you did the lazy eights down wind. Once you can do that a few times. You've got it whipped! Just tell yourself, down is up while flying inverted until its natural. Happy Flying!
Seymour Smith Park in Ralston Nebraska which is in Omaha Nebraska. Go to google maps and do the satellite earth view and you can see the circle pretty cool. www.google.com/maps/place/S+72nd+St+%26+Washington+St,+Ralston,+NE+68127/@41.1978478,-96.0220719,287m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87938b82468ed27d:0x4f1f2341c701f24b
Great flight, that last few loop were risky cutting really close at such a low tank, I lost some planes that way with the engine pooping out...You could here that lean tone of the engine kick in, and I said to myself, no more loops!
We know our planes well and the engine run time we get out of a load of fuel. The way the tank is set up is a uni-flo system. Just before the tank is out a vent is uncovered and the engine runs lean. You can hear the engine pick up and notice the increase in speed, once this happens you know to knock of any maneuvers because only 1-3 laps of engine run time are left.
As mentioned, I heard it too, the leaning out near the end, when watching it for the first time. Cutting that close was amazing to me. Again, great timing and flying!
+AmericanBulldogRocky The plane is pull tested before competition to 45lbs. It doesn't usually see quite that much during a regular flight unless its windy and you have a fast engine run. However on an average 7 1/2 min flight time your arm can get a little tired after a few flights hanging onto a plane of this size. The bigger/heavier the plane the more it pulls. However Control Line stunt ships don't get much bigger than this plane. You can pry count on your hand how many there are in the U.S. that are bigger than this one. My dad always jokes that over the years his right arm has been stretched out and is about an inch longer than his left becuase of flying this Super Tigre 60 powered plane haha. The smaller planes you can fly all day and not get tired/sore at all.
I use to think why the need for so much strength until a plane sputtered on a loop loosing all tension then it leaned out flying full speed straight out from me. The snap was so hard it ripped out of my hand and it flew through a wooden snow fence a 100 ft away. My whole hand and wrist was sore for awhile. Now I know why they have the safety straps.
Sorry I don't speak Russian but I tried googling a translation. I think your wanting to know if there are plans for this airplane. There are not. My dad Scratch built it 28 years ago.
I do fly RC as well and both are fun. Control Line takes just as much skill as RC does. You're pulling out of your maneuvers at 5 feet above ground and at full speed. That is something few RC planes can do or could even dare to attempt without ending in disaster. Another reason we like Control Line is you can "feel" the airplane since your always holding on to the plane through the handle and lines. I fly Control Line competitively and RC for sport. Another big advantage is your never have to worry about interference or a flyaway of your model airplane!!
+proetnova I think C/L takes a lot more skill than R/C does- The learning curve is much steeper simply because of the inherent differences in the control systems- with R/C, the neutral positions can made very insensitiveto small inputs, whereas C/L the neutral position is the most sensitive, causing the beginner to over-control the plane and leading to a lot of crashes. I love both, but to me, the purest form modeling will always be control line- because: It is very hard to learn, the planes are simple, inexpensive (compared to r/c), easy to build, and because of that, super easy to testnew designs! probably close to 75% of my c/l planes were scratch built with no plans- super fun way to learn! One thing I will always love about flying a well dialed in C/l plane, is that feeling of "painting the sky with your arm" like you are doing, getting the plane to maneuver mostly by moving your arm with very little wrist....super cool!!
It's been decades since I last flew control line. He has that Super Tigre set perfectly to transition from 4-stroke to 2-stroke on verticals.
Absolutely brilliant, very few videos has this POV - (point of view) ... Good job and great flying !!!
Thanks thats really useful. You can see the positive hand movements and timing for maneuvers. Very good.
Even though I've been in RC for over 45 years, I was doing control line in 1962 with my dad. It was so cool to see the video from the center of the circle, just like how it used to be! Thanks for the renewed memories of a great part of our hobby that continues today to motivate and educate kids, and their parents, about model aviation!
Getting stoned just watching it go round and round.....etc.
Eso maestro!
i used to fly this wonderful planes. cox .049 to k&b .40. flite streak, nobler, etc. some of my best memoris.
I did this back in the day, ok, um well I kinda did this back in the day, ok to be honest I didn't actually do the last part of the loop series very often. I usually just went from one or two loops then straight to straight into the ground! Lolol I never got reliable engine performance, and actually had no idea how to do what I was trying to do. No neighbors ever did this stuff, they would all gather to watch me like 3 months of paper route wages into the ground and even help pick up the pieces, not nobody could offer helpful insite! Thanks for sharing!
Very nice pattern.. plane seems to be trimmed well and you are smooth with it.. thanks for sharing
I have a question. You mentioned that it is well trimmed. Do you mean the CG? Also all control line models are nose heavy. Is this normal?
All your entrance and exits on the same altitude....Your good
you're
epiphany. we were already dizzy. and a little bit crazy.
Excellent display of CL Aerobatics, Very Hard to imagine,,,the manoeuvres can be managed in CL... Think its time to get the Diesels running again... :)
Thank you for the video
One of the best "how to "
I've seen .
Lot of the hand controls I wanted to know
Joe .
love the growling engine!
Fantastic! Your video brought back some great memories, thanks for sharing! :)
ez flite. i can smell the fuel in my hand. ahhh. thanks for the memories.
That was flat out COOL!
Listen to that big ST chugging through everything like a mule, nice 4-2-4 breaks and all. Very clean flying, enjoyed this a lot - thanks for posting!
Added bonus: if you ever wondered what an ST 60 twin ukie would sound like, just replay the overlapping parts of the video at the edits.
Great flight! Best I’ve seen on UA-cam Excellent!
AMA stunt pattern good stuff.
I go to a lot of C/L events in UK doing C/L Speed and see a lot of 'stunt' flying. Thanks for putting the video up its great to see it from your perspective. Now I am surprised I don't see more 'incidents'! You are brave to fly the model that your dad built such a long time ago, but is seems to be in very safe hands!
A fantastic Video! I have not seen flying like that in 30 years! Brings back some great memories! Thanks for the Smile!
I love u control, nothing beats the pull, and the dog fights.
Les McDonald, used to work at the local hobby shop in Plantation fla. Very nice guy!
Nice field and nice flying! Recalling my Stunt days about 50 years ago with a Top Flight "Nobler" and Fox .35 Stunt. As I watched, I recognized a lot of the pattern ... the square loops and eights, and the Triangles (I hated those) .. Cuban eights, and Vertical eights ... nice! It saddens me that kids today know nothing of model aircraft and competition (indoor or outdoor). Makes me feel like a fossil ...
+Bill Somrak I feel your pain Bill...Im 31 I grew up doing this and I'm considered one of the "youngsters" still...Cant get kids into it anymore.
+proetnova Outstanding video. Are those 60 foot or 70 foot lines ? I did this 40 years ago, but only used 60 foot lines.
+Dave Hansen They are around 65' in length
Just remember...fossils last forever!
My last stunt model was also a Top Flight Nobler with a Fox .35. My last flight was at the King Orange Internationals in 1958.
I cringed a bit when when he reached over the top of the running prop to grab the nose prior to removing the glow plug battery.
+Inferalanding It looks a lot closer then he really is. Its just the way the GoPro makes it look. We are very mindful of the 14" prop swinging at 7800 RPM and have been flying for 40+ years and still have all our fingers.
A great plane with great piloting! Well done, love to see stunts well executed like this. Brings back some great memories for me, I need to get back to control-line flying again.
My models rarely survived their first flight.
Hello, please help me if you have any working photos of this plane
Great smooth landing! Nice!
Great video! (And really useful for beginners like me!) Thanks a lot!
Thankyou...very good camera angle...informative
Yeah man! I like that. When I was a kid, control line aircraft were my great love! I started out with Cox PT19 and flew plastic aircraft for years, Then Balsa .049's, Then discovered big balsa aircraft with the .35 stunt engines..... I eventually moved on up to RC's.
La edición es un asco, molesta demasiado
I am more of the r/c pilot myself been flying for about ten years. But I find this fascinating. not sure if I really want to start over. You make it look easy. Well done
Thanks Pat it's another great way to enjoy model airplanes!
Grate flying! What length lines are you using?
I flew this Stunt Pattern many times when I was a youth some 50 years ago. Was also the WISC State champ in the Junior Division. Happy days from AMA 26676
Getting ready to do this again after a 10 year hiatus. Combat planes getting built
Congrats! Perfekt driver, perfekt machine!
Sweet plane and great engine run.
Now I know why Stiletto. Those corners are sharper than I've ever seen flown.
I've flown RC for 40 years and R/C is for babies compared to C/L stunt. Just making consecutive loops in the same spot and pulling out at 5 feet each time makes rolling 8 point circles seem easy. No model aviation is quite as intense, except for C/L combat ;)
Great pattern, beautiful plane. Just started back into Stunt. Gonna take a while.
It's great to see control line planes still flying. This is exactly what I did with a profile P-51 behind an OS Max.35 back in high school in the 70's
Beautiful Stiletto - and great video.. Great to watch from the pilots perspective..
Man I did a lot of that when I was a kid.....for got all about it till I saw this video.
Excellent idea for a video. Love the engine note of the ST60...sweet as a nut!
Gosh that is an awesome video. Makes me want to look for my handle.
WOW!
- I need an air sicknes bag...
Beautiful flight! 💖
Flying the pattern… good job
Very cool. I only fly RC planes, but i think this offers a lot. I like the fact you stay "with the plane". Radio control, they get up and get small real quick. Cant really enjoy the looks of it when its flying. Well, yall get my meaning.
Yes I also fly RC and I know exactly what you mean. The one thing I love about control line over RC is you are much more "one" with the plane, its an extension of you while flying and you can feel it where as there is no feel in RC.
I enjoyed that perspective. Every time I tried to loop my cox powered planes I stalled them at the top and crashed. Thanks for posting.
+William Haley Cox planes have almost done more damage to the hobby than good because of them being under powered and crashing as you mentioned. Most people got turned off because of that. If they would have had ample power I think more people would have pursued the hobby further.
+proetnova I agree. Today, I spent the afternoon flying a Sig Kavalier and a carbon z cub. Two polar opposites. I made it through the Cox days and 30+ years later I'm still having fun. The .049 can really be a cantankerous little jewel.
Not true, I started off with cox air planes, my fondest memory was getting a cox spitfire at xmas.
True story about the Spitfire,
I worked mowing lawns to buy a Spitfire, It was the light green with dark green Camo, came from a Whites home and Auto store, My first plane, cost about $12.50, a lot for a 9 year old in the early 60's, You would mow a complete acre yard for about $1.50, I took it to the school ground with no one to help me, waited for someone to come by to launch it.
The first person to ride up on a bike was a kid about 5 years older than me, he asked me if I had ever flown, I said no, He said, you better let me fly it first because I have flown a lot of these and wouldn't want to see it crash, I agreed.
When I launched the plane off the grass, he did the typical beginner wing over and straight into the ground, destroyed the plane, He walked over and said, there's something wrong with that one and rode off on his bike. I never got to fly my very first plane.
I tried to buy one off E-Bay about 6 or 7 years ago, My top bid was $370.00 for a new in the box Spitfire just like I had purchased as a child, It went for $425.00 best I remember.
wow...That stings reading that. Maybe another one will come along!
i am in awe, i have flown rc for 35 years but could never master a cl model
love the sound of the engine and works well! there are no words for the flight class
Real great, hot machine. Congrats!
Splendido. The engine is spectacular. What model it is of Supertigre?
Lorenzo60 It is a Super Tigre V case 60 with a tongue muffler and a venturi.
Perfect stunt setup and flying as well... beautiful flight field! I just looked after on google maps and found it by the link posted in the earlier comments! All the best from Curitiba - Brazil. Bruno
Thank you
Damn...
This guy is good 👍
Awesome.
How cool is that !!!
Very Cool, Where did you get your Control handle? I like it!!!Working on a Nobler ARF.Super cool flying skills by the way.
+Robert Shaver It is an old Fox cable style handle. We are now using The Fancher style hard point handles.
I recall using the Walker Ureely back when I flew. I don't know if they still exist these days.
+gary baugh There are a few around. Mostly a keep sake item now. Most people use hard point or cable style handles now.
sir iam having problems with me flying my controlline aerobatic model .i some how tend to lift my arms very high so that elevator goes up and the model goes very high during take off and then there is a slack which makes me difficult to control,this has happened quite a number off times and the result was CRASH,plzz ADVICE as off my hand moments during take off ,should i be in neutral or slightly on the upper side ...
The first thing you want to check is if your control handle and wires are set to neutral. Meaning, before you fly have a friend hold the airplane then with the control lines held taught hold the handle in what you would consider level and comfortable for level flight. Have your friend holding the plane check the level of the elevator. It needs to be perfectly level with the stab. If it is up then that might be why the plane is going up so fast on you. There should be a way to adjust the wires at the handle to move the elevator to the level position. If you have already achieved this, then the next thing is your controls might be set to sensitive. You can tame down the controls by moving the wires at the handle in closer together. Another way is on the airplane it self. If you look at the control horn of the elevator if you can access the push rod and move it to a further hole out or away from the elevator this will also make the controls less sensitive, Thus preventing you from over controlling the plane. Another mistake a lot of guys do while learning is over controlling the plane with wrist movement, You can actually fly the plane up and down just by lifting your arm and lowering you arm, the plane will track right with your arm. Something else you can try to gain you some line tension is to give your plane some engine offset. If your motor is mounted sideways just add a shim or washer under the front two motor bolts, If its mounted upwards or inverted, loosen all the motor bolts and try to twist the motor to the outboard wing, then tighten the bolts back down. If the plane after all of this is still to jumpy, the next thing would be to check for center of gravity, the plane could be to tail heavy creating unstable flight characteristics. You would then have to add some lead nose weight or find a heavier nose spinner or figure a way to get weight off the tail of the plane if possible. Typically the plane should balance about around or just in front of the thickest part of the wing or wing spar for a good starting place. Hope this helps!
Thank you soo much for your valuable advice sir,i just added a lit bit of weight on the wing tip so that i get good line tension,will try and fly the plane the next weekend and will get back with you with the feed back, thank yu soo much once again sir God bless...
Great video, It's like I'm flying again.
I guess electrics have their place but I can't imagine how the electric motor can pick up power in a climb and go back to 4 cycle in a dive and level flight.
I have never flown competition Control line, but have flown enough to understand how to tune the engine, when I first started flying anything bigger than a cox .049, fifty years ago, I tuned the engine for peak power and tried to do stunts at 80 mph, I broke a few planes before I went somewhere and saw it being done at about 60 mph, the whole world of flying changed for me, everything slowed down.
with electric you can set the RPM so it keeps the same RPM no matter the load
Which is no good for Control Line Stunt... You want to pick up RPM in climbs and slow down in dives. There are electronics coming available to do this now but just straight constant RPM is no good unless you just want to fly level the entire flight.
Hi Gary,
After doing some research, I have learned that there are electric controllers that sense the motion, or acceleration and pick a couple hundred rpm in a climb and go back in level flight.
I think my next plane will be a nice electric, but I'm still gonna wear out all my gas powered planes I just drug out of the attic, don't want to smack the electric.
Great video.
V.good
awesome
amazing!
Красиво.
Gracias por el exelente video alta acrobacia con U control. Me vuelve a la memoria cuando yo hacia acrobacia FAI en Buenos Aires 60 anhos atras . Exelente ver las maniobras del lado del ecelente piloto ! Gracias amigo !
Такие кордовые - для мужиков. Современные дети с ДВСом не справляются.
В мегаполисе весьма проблематично найти площадку для запуска диаметром не менее 32 метров.
Эти проблемы ликвидированы в электрокордовых моделях
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seems like plane speed and engine rpm stay virtually the same regardless of its direction, up down horizontal. there is an audible dip in rpm during transition of direction but no increase in rpm or speed going down, no drop going up as well as no noticeable scrubbing of speed under aggressive direction changes. Is this actually the case or is it a perception thing, and if so is it engine and prop .design?
Control line engines utilize a venturi instead of a carb. You set engine speed by adjusting a needle valve which is what regulates how much fuel is sucked into the engine through the venturi. The more you screw in the needle valve the less fuel the motor gets (lean) and it actually makes the motor run faster to a point. The more you unscrew it the engine goes rich with more fuel being added and will run slower. On the ground before launch you listen for whats called a 2-4 break where the motor is trying to run fast but is just holding back right on the break point. You can hear this in the first 15 seconds of the video. The engine then runs wide open until the tank runs out. We also use a big prop and turn it slow for two reasons. Many RC planes use a small prop and turn them fast. We need more torque than horsepower to be able to fly control line stunt because as you saw some of our maneuvers have their bottoms at 5 feet off the ground and then perform 90 degree turns to pull up vertical again. So our engines are designed to run at a consistent speed through out the flight. The engine actually breaks into a 2 cycle in the vertical giving just a bit more power but then on the down leg the big prop actually then acts like an air brake to keep from gaining unwanted speed. Another big factor in a consistent engine run is how the fuel tank is designed. We run a uniflow designed tank which tricks the engine into thinking it has a full tank of fuel for the duration on the flight until the very end. Otherwise with out the pressurized system the engine would continue to get leaner and leaner though out the flight as fuel is burned off. Just before the engine quits you can hear it pick up in RPM as the uniflow vent becomes uncovered with fuel as the tank is running out. This can be a tricky combination to setup/maintain and any 1 thing in the system can cause a poor/unconsistent engine run, and that's why electrics are taking over the hobby. But when you know how the system works and get it right the results are simply amazing. Plus you'll never hear an electric that sounds that good lol
Cheyenne 2000.
A great perspective view, but very hard to see the plane !
Have no idea how to improve the plane visibility !
Its due to the lens that's used on the GoPro camera's, a very wide angle lens.
i've never tried inverted or even a loop. i'm scared to crash. i can't see how you pull out at the last second before nose diving into the ground !
It comes with practice. To do a loop. Do it big to start out. Basically for the first few times, do a climb over the top of the circle and what would be behind you but keep turning with the plane, then after doing that a few times, start to tighten it up where the high point is directly over head. Keep turning with the plane. After you get comfortable doing that a few times. Do it standing still and let the plane fly the loop over and behind you. Then after you get comfortable doing that slowly start tightening the loops up. After you can get a loop with the top of the loop around 60-70 degrees of elevation, add a second loop. You'll pick it up from there pretty quick. Main thing is to not give it to much up right away when you begin the loop other wise you'll end up with a figure 9 ending in the ground. After you get comfortable doing loops, and you feel ready to tackle inverted. Here is how I suggest to do it. By the way this is all down downwind obviously but instead of being directly down wind as you would do your loops for the first time fly slightly passed down wind and then begin whats called a lazy eight. So start a loop and try to get the top around 60-70 degrees of elevation, then just as the plane is rounding over on its back and starting to descend, go to neutral on the controls. then you should be in a shallow descent inverted as the plane becomes closer to 30 degrees elevation, give it down control. And it will actually go up, continue feeding down control until the model completes the outside loop of the lazy eight and you end up right side up. Do these over and over and over. Get used to watching the model go up while you are giving it down control inverted... Then once you can do these in your sleep, start extending them out to where you are flying inverted for longer stretches. You should be able to virtually stretch them out easily to half of the flying circle while standing in the same place with out moving facing downwind. That way at both points when the plane is in the initial climb the wind is actually helping blow the plane vertical and then same when flying back across the circle inverted in a descent and then climbing while inverted on the other side with the wind now once again helping lift the plane over the top. Once you can do these over and over then stretch the inverted flight out to a full lap and obviously turn/walk with the plane, then exit inverted like you did the lazy eights down wind. Once you can do that a few times. You've got it whipped! Just tell yourself, down is up while flying inverted until its natural. Happy Flying!
Where did you get the plans for a 770 sq inch Stiletto?
There are no plans. My dad scratch built it about 28 years ago.
Nice flight!
where was this shot, looks a bit like Scratch Woods?
Seymour Smith Park in Ralston Nebraska which is in Omaha Nebraska. Go to google maps and do the satellite earth view and you can see the circle pretty cool. www.google.com/maps/place/S+72nd+St+%26+Washington+St,+Ralston,+NE+68127/@41.1978478,-96.0220719,287m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87938b82468ed27d:0x4f1f2341c701f24b
Very nice.
Great flight, that last few loop were risky cutting really close at such a low tank, I lost some planes that way with the engine pooping out...You could here that lean tone of the engine kick in, and I said to myself, no more loops!
We know our planes well and the engine run time we get out of a load of fuel. The way the tank is set up is a uni-flo system. Just before the tank is out a vent is uncovered and the engine runs lean. You can hear the engine pick up and notice the increase in speed, once this happens you know to knock of any maneuvers because only 1-3 laps of engine run time are left.
As mentioned, I heard it too, the leaning out near the end, when watching it for the first time. Cutting that close was amazing to me. Again, great timing and flying!
how much is the plane pulling? is your arm sore after a days flying?
+AmericanBulldogRocky The plane is pull tested before competition to 45lbs. It doesn't usually see quite that much during a regular flight unless its windy and you have a fast engine run. However on an average 7 1/2 min flight time your arm can get a little tired after a few flights hanging onto a plane of this size. The bigger/heavier the plane the more it pulls. However Control Line stunt ships don't get much bigger than this plane. You can pry count on your hand how many there are in the U.S. that are bigger than this one. My dad always jokes that over the years his right arm has been stretched out and is about an inch longer than his left becuase of flying this Super Tigre 60 powered plane haha. The smaller planes you can fly all day and not get tired/sore at all.
I use to think why the need for so much strength until a plane sputtered on a loop loosing all tension then it leaned out flying full speed straight out from me. The snap was so hard it ripped out of my hand and it flew through a wooden snow fence a 100 ft away. My whole hand and wrist was sore for awhile. Now I know why they have the safety straps.
It never ceases to amaze me how control line flyers never get dizzy.
You get use to it and actually when you get good and do maneuvers you stop spinning every 2 laps to do them...
we were already dizzy. and a little bit crazy.
Друг,можно спросить чертеж данного аппарата?
Sorry I don't speak Russian but I tried googling a translation. I think your wanting to know if there are plans for this airplane. There are not. My dad Scratch built it 28 years ago.
This is kinda neat but, why would you do this when you could fly RC and have roll and yaw and not just elevator?
I do fly RC as well and both are fun. Control Line takes just as much skill as RC does. You're pulling out of your maneuvers at 5 feet above ground and at full speed. That is something few RC planes can do or could even dare to attempt without ending in disaster. Another reason we like Control Line is you can "feel" the airplane since your always holding on to the plane through the handle and lines. I fly Control Line competitively and RC for sport. Another big advantage is your never have to worry about interference or a flyaway of your model airplane!!
+proetnova I think C/L takes a lot more skill than R/C does- The learning curve is much steeper simply because of the inherent differences in the control systems- with R/C, the neutral positions can made very insensitiveto small inputs, whereas C/L the neutral position is the most sensitive, causing the beginner to over-control the plane and leading to a lot of crashes. I love both, but to me, the purest form modeling will always be control line- because: It is very hard to learn, the planes are simple, inexpensive (compared to r/c), easy to build, and because of that, super easy to testnew designs! probably close to 75% of my c/l planes were scratch built with no plans- super fun way to learn! One thing I will always love about flying a well dialed in C/l plane, is that feeling of "painting the sky with your arm" like you are doing, getting the plane to maneuver mostly by moving your arm with very little wrist....super cool!!