What's Up With Those Space Marine Backpacks?
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Bit of a lore correction - it seems that often a Space Marine can use their power armour without the pack, just with alot of difficulty.
I was referencing the scene from Pharos when the Night lords removed an Ultramarines power pack and it made him fall over, stuck in his own armour, and easy to capture. So maybe the writers have different opinions of how it works
Everything and nothing is canon.
There's also the old games from the 90's (notably Chaos Gate) where they go without their pack when shipboard
I always assumed that they were strong enough to carry the armor
@@Goldenkitten1war hammer always has and always will be in a permanent state of superposition
@@Titos1234some of them probably are
Fun fact: they have secret compartments in their backpacks for their lunch boxes!
Imagine them sitting down for a rest and pulling out sandwiches that were packed by their serfs and compare/trade the sandwiches amongst each other 😂
@@nf4227 salamanders
NPC joke
Astartes Lunchables
@@nf4227that possible they are extremely mature in duty but mental they is children in some horus heresy book the mournaval compete in who can slap hanging sing better
In the first Dawn of War game intro, explosion breaks a Spacemarine sergeant backpack. Not only did he pick up a banner, he carried the entire weight of his armor uphill under ork fire to install that banner.
So yeah, they aren't quite paralyzed.
Yeah, bro didn't have a helmet on tho
They probably just lose their agility advantage really and some of their strenght
Space marines literally train in their un-powered power armor so you are very right, not parallelized
@@Shadow-nq8wpyeah, they will just be a bit slow tho
Terminator armour can weigh down and trap a astartes in it pretty much. Not sure about regular power armour I feel like they might be able to jog instead of sprint.
Actually there have been many examples in lore where a spacemarine has lost his back pack.
When this happens they are still completely functional although they loose the armour enhanced strength which also means its more physically demanding to move and fight in it, but they can still do it.
Most chapters make their marines TRAIN in unpowered armor. So yeah...if their power pack goes dead they are just put back into 'training mode'.
My head cannon is that as with every machinery when power source us damaged thers a chance the mechanisms will lock in place, that's how I explain the diferent situations, a space marine can move with unlocked not powered armor but if the armor shortcircuits and locks it becomes nearly impossible to move the weight and power thru the armors machinery
@mattor300 there is a situation where armour does lock. Normally SM armour doesn't ever lock its not something that's mechanically it can do. However...
The World Eaters actually do have their red butchers terminator armour with a purposely built in locking mechanism to effectively lock done and stop their berserker Terminators from running loose and going on a rampage.
Correct. It augments them, it isnt Darth Vaders life-support system like the video is making out out to be lol.
@@DP-dd6hland they dangle them from the ceiling on chains so they endlessly rage but can do nothing.
It propably also contain on board computer that manages functions of power armor, translates signals from black carapace into servo-motors and back, runs HUD functions, facilitates vox connections, stores battleplans and objectives, etc.
So a a mini pc attached to a portable battery
@@gsst6389 Looking at that - standard laptop size... Actually real life militaries experment with such systems (not armor) currently.
@@The0Stroy HHMM , Machine spirit not computer , or someone gonna give you a free visit to the magos
@@itsjustaline I'm magos-in-training and assure you that cogitators are not problem. Abominable Intelligence is.
Nope, that's the helmet actually. The helmet is basically a pipboy mixed with the ironman suit; it coordinates everything, scans the active world, and adjusts the suit and weapon accordingly.
I don't know, what my other battle brothers use it for, but I personally carry 2 eldar chicks here
So "I like my chicks just like my pizzas - cold in the fridge."?
@@jannovy7229 virgin ultramarine vs chad salamander
You use it to carry them?
@SordidusFellatio Its just a silly joke and you think major kills a naracasist when hes just some chill guy doing warhammer content?
@SordidusFellatiooh no look at me. I, Sordidus Fellatio, am clearly the most upstanding and noble and bestest superior person here.
They can still move without it, they are just slow and clunky
Mean while thunder warriors move around freely without the legs powered
@@thecommentguy9380 Space Marines also used MK.1 Thunder Armour before treaty of Mars and creation of MK.II Crusade armour.
@@thecommentguy9380 The Mk. 1 was far less armoured. It wasn't even fully enclosed.
@@chosenrubric7308 the point is they had to carry all of the weight around unlike the newer armors that can carry its own weight
@@thecommentguy9380 yeah, since thunder warriors are stronger then space marines
In the book Knights of Macragge, a group of Ultramarines crash land on a planet where their equipment malfunctions to the point of their packs lose all power (there was also a warp storm that damaged their systems). They just use their armor without the packs. It's sucked but they could do it.
They train in unpowered armor. So yeah...they should be able to move and fight in it.
Terminator plate would be a different story though.
Ye i was gonna reference this book as i think it said they were running at like 20mph
It is worth noting that space marines will still be able to move in the armor without the power back,but they will be considerably slower because they actually would have to carry the weight of the armor without all the servos helping. We see it in knights of macragge where the main cast of characters arrive on a feudal world and because of a warp siphoning their armors are often underpowered.
Hunting for dead space marines in armor is like finding your refrigerator that ran away... listen for the hum.
So powerarmour is just a 70s fridge with extra hinges. Got it!
*laughs in terminator armor*
Term armor has it worse off. They need a larger pack which is covered by an armored cowl-- that hump that goes up behind the head-- but only has half the life time despite having twice the fuel. Remember, IF you maintain it correctly, it goes forever, but that's if you have someone regularly checking and feeding it fuel. Otherwise, it runs for *12 hours* then shuts off. If shot and damaged-- not even destroyed-- it shuts off to prevent explosion and the wearer needs to attempt to lift three times as much weight as they would with standard suits.
Put another way, if you shoot the backpack dead on term armor, they're stalled near permanently.
@@gigaus0 They tossed out that lore a long time ago. Long before the fall off Cadia they had an STC found with better pack tech. Why? Because they thought it was dumb that the elites were so limited and they wanted Terminators to be depicted as fighting for 3 days without rest.
The authors GW use are not well versed in the lore, and many have extreme biases (half the Heresy writers hated the Wolves and Scars, Wolves got turned into bipolar idiots and Scars got sidelined over and over again) so unless it is something mentioned in multiple books and repeated in codexes, check the author's other books. If they wrote the Wolves as Idiots or the Scars as flippant...you can safely assume the author knows less lore than you do after an hour wiki dive.
They don't get paralyzed, they can move in the armor but they're carrying the weight of the armor rather than the suit doing it. Additionally, when unpowered, the vacuum seal on the suit opens up so they don't suffocate. So it's common for Nurgle Cultists to try and break the backpack to explode the marines.
I mean I have read they can move. Just wearing a tractor worth of metal unassisted.
Also, the exhaust ports on a backpack can rotate and work as mini-jets in space. You can find the schematics in the Astartes Apocrypha.
They store their snackies that space daddy packed for the crusade
Fun Fact: The Thunder Warriors powerpack was so inefficient and dangerous that any regular human standing right next to one for just a few seconds would receive a years worth of radiation
My brain seems to automatically edit out the backpack generator. When I think of an image of a Space Marine, the backpack is never included.
same!
This is very odd! I am affected too since i discovered them 35 years ago! Only when i have to explain them somehow and have to think about the armor functions...... Odd but funny!
I have the opposite thing lol
In my brain, they’d look cursed without it 😂
@@willlliorca7024 hahaha! 😂
That's kinda interesting.
They can create that but still there are countless hive worlds where people live in the dark! Governments are same in almost every universe 😆
I mean, trying to have the same living standard while having to manage over 1 million planets is kind of difficult. im surprised some of them actually have houses.
Pretty sure energy is the least of the concern of a hive world. Food, production, logistics, the Hive City falling apart constantly, maybe more so.
@@Kareszkoma Energy is important for food production and logistics...
@@moreauclement9702 Yah. Meaning that they have plenty of very high tech energy production.
It's more so getting the food somewhere, transporting it, than resharing it in every hive world. And things like that.
A hive city is also gigantic. Made with gigantic parts. But also small parts, both of which would require maintenance, for which.. there is just noone. There are tidbits here or there, that originally they were automatic, with some cleaning machines.
@@Kareszkoma Look at some screenshots from necromunda Underhive Wars...or just youtube the story mode cinematics. It shows what an underhive really looks like very well. Rusted, falling apart, torn apart and repurposed with no worry about what is above it.
Old hives where they haven't kept a good check on the gangs have even experienced collapses due to gangs ripping apart hugs blocks of an underhive to build something only to have the whole superstructure above collapse on them.
Gabriel Angelos: You guys have trouble moving in your armor without the backpack? Sounds like a skill issue to me.
*Laughs in dawn of war 1 trailer*
Dantes armour has a small amount of juice in the armour itself so when the swarmlord fucked his jumppack he was good for a minute or so
There is also life support systems, and other bits and bobs inside the backpack.
"become paralized"
I, named marine, fought an Avatar of Khaine while unarmed and with a broken backpack, because I, named marine, For The Emperor
" In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed."
I forget if its in a codex or another supplement, but power armor can power life support/mobility for a couple weeks without the pack.
So many moments In lore where they move easily without power.
It's for Carying snackies!!!!!!
The 2 orbs on the sides of the pack are actually mini jets that can offer propultion in vacuum of space. Exhaust pipes are located in the lower part of the powerpack.
Isnt the exhaust also at the top with the vents?
They can still move without the power pack and don’t get paralysed. It just slows their movement.
They won't get paralyzed and locked in place like statues. They can still move and fight, but their armor's servo systems and artificial muscle fibers that help support the weight of external armor plates won't work anymore. If anything, they will suffer a lot of back pain from having to carry all the dead weight. It's like losing a wheel on a wheelbarrow or pushing your car on neutral after turning off the engine.
They don't become paralized, just move much slower. All of the are still going to be able to move just fine.
Can't really quote the book but it described a sceme in which a custodes fought several cultists and a traitor marine. The marine is no thread in the slightest since his power pack was damaged. He analized that bc the marine couldn't move fast.
Mist have been one of the avenging son books.
thats terrifying
imagine having a stray shot hit your pack, rendering you paralyzed while you watch chaos take your friends away
geez
This video was so good! Thanks for your hard work :)
You would think there would be some sort of emergency escape option to pop the armor off in case it gets disabled.
Oh. That seems like a huge weakness to have in such a crazy powerful universe.
If the power pack fails, the power armor literally just becomes armor. Basically a superhuman knight lugging around freight train of ceramite plating.
Honestly they've retconned a lot. The ball things on the top sides are thrusters now, so technically a normal space marine backpack could be considered a jetpack. Depending on how you want to interpret Dawn of War, and it's novelization, the armour can run for awhile without the backpack. I see that more as a "car with a jumpstart" type of deal.
The trope of a character’s armor losing power and them being trapped is so scary to me, iron man and red rising come to mind
Imagine an astartes that was though to be dead only for his arnor to be removed and its revealed that he was alive the entire time and immobilized due to his power pack being dead 😂
In the night lords trilogy, Mercution has his backpack destroyed by a thunder hammer, and the explosion knocks him out for a while, but after he wakes up, he just gets up and walks it off
Of all the time I’ve played as the IG, I did always wondered what those backpacks were. Neat!
I can see some Imperial Forces taking the backpacks from Dead Marines (preferably Chaos Marines but Loyalist Marines in a serious pinch) and rigging them into improvised boobytraps - in the right emergency situations. It would take a bit of knowledge and work, but by the sounds of it it would do a lot of damage too...
Please note; I'm saying this as an emergency tactic, such as when you're severely outnumbered by Chaos Marines and their cultists...
Micro Fusion reactors are super special for the Imperium, rarely found outside of elite use cases like this. The Imperial Guard would love to have them, but are stuck burning fuel to power most of their vehicles and heavy weapons. Though the quirky ability to slowly charge small arms with the sun helps.
For the Tau, micro-fusion reactors are basic mass produced tech, which allows them to be issued to every squad to instantly recharge their weapons, hence why power hungry kit like railguns and pulse-rifles pose no logisitacal issues to them.
The power plant at one point was a battery pack and had a limited charge. With landraiders having charging stations to allow long range missions.
The top "ball" parts of the powerpack are actually in fact like mini jumppacks, they're used in zero G as thrusters and as such can move and rotate. Damn handy if ur knocked off the outside of a ship or maneuvering short distances from ship to ship
And then there's Maximilian Voss, who is so swole that he doesn't even need a power pack
The balls at the side are also vital for stabilising the whole thing, in some books they have some kind of gyro in it.
First space marine in the video goes hard
I think you would design it so that the armor itself can be emergency removed by the Marine should it become "immobilized". Some kind of internal battery or function that allows him to start shedding it if it becomes too damaged. Then he could continue fighting without armor if necessary or make an escape.
You'd think. But I suppose engineering the armor in that way could be a major weak point. If the armor can easily be shed in pieces I'd be worried that a smart enemy who knows that could attack the joints where it comes apart and either hit them with armor piercing shells or just straight up peel pieces off with a melee weapon.
I love that the first one looks like death stroke
If you can trap a space marine once the power pack is destroyed, that means there is no way to mechanically disengage the armor from the inside. That's exactly the kind of tragic oversight I'd expect from the Imperium.
So these guys are just Hulk-sized hell-divers😅
I also read that Space Marine Armor has a back up solar power system.
also, if they loose a backpack theyre pretty much turned into a temporary vegetable judging on mercutians reaction
Everest has gotta have a crazy K/D by now
Tyberos has his backpack destroyed *laughs*
I remember a mid-2000s meme that says "power armor: ability to move not included", but since there's lore that says otherwise, then this is just a joke
Also the backpacks have vents from which can be used as mini jet engines if theres anti-gravity situations.
I always thought they were “jet packs” for years before I got into the lore and actually paid attention to it. Apparently I’m not the only one who that they way until we learned better.
Wouldn't say paralyzed, not even near. Space Marines can lift their own armor. Their muscles are not just greater in size, but it's density is also greatly enhanced. It's harder to fight in it, that's for sure. But they can lift it, and walk in it.
They would walk funny. And they wouldn't fight on it. Better to just ditch it untilyou get the power back on.
@@josevictorribeirolisboa7576 Yah. Probs. Not exactly agile.
Space marines being immobalized after their armor's powerpack malfunctions implies that the armor is actually responsible for the majority of their strength.
The original Dawn of War cinematic has thr marine sergeant at the end running up a hill without his power pack. Most likely the paralysis was a situation from earlier marks of power armor that was fixed in later variations. Hence why you could have heresy era armors paralyzing their marines, while M. 41 Mark 7 armors were "can still do a dead run, but I no longer have the strength and speed boosts."
You’d think the armor would be built with some sort of emergency release. A few explosive bolts could probably remove the heavier segments.
It’s basically the same as driving a car without power steering
the vents can be used for movement too, at least in the anvilus pattern
I painted so many battle sisters backpacks, the process is automatic by now
I remember in old lore they were, in fact, jump assist packs. The vents would fire slowing a fall.
I could be mi's remembering though
I mean it seem pretty easy to destroy the backpack but what's no easy is getting that close to a spacemarine
The funny thing is that if that IS a fusion reactor, it is MASSIVELY overkill for the limits that the marines themselves have. Per kilogram of material used in fusion, a million plus kilograms of oil, coal, or natural gas is used. That is a LOT. And it's most certainly WAY above anything we see the Marines having use for. So you could probably make it smaller and put it into the armor.
The actual core of the reactor could be a small part though, with the rest dedicated to systems the core needs but aren't part of the reaction itself.
This comment doesn't make sense, since we have no reference for how large a reactor needs to be to process any given quantity of material.
It's kind of like if you looked at a nuclear power plant and said, "That's overkill. That building could contain enough uranium to power all civilisation a million times over."
Which as we all know, isn't how it works. The actual core is a tiny part of the overall structure and it's required systems.
This must be some new lore or something from a recent novel. Space Marines can operate in their armor when it's unpowered they just won't be as fast or have the servo assist for the strength. Also, that top part of the pack actually does open and have storage space for ammo and other supplies while on campaign.
It’s also got compartments for spare magazines
I mainly look at their comically large shoulder armor that looks stupid..as well as the bell bottom on their legs that make them look like Rescue heroes
It's also where pee is stored
I always thought the "exhaust vents" of the power pack, were "jets" that can be used if a space marine finds himself floating out of control in outer space. They are called SPACE MARINES after all.
A few other comments here are claiming that they do actually also serve that function. Jets for zero/microgravity combat, but in normal gravity are functionally just exhaust.
Definitely up to the writer how they work, some armors power down immediately and some seem to have limited emergency backup power in the armor itself.
not necessarily paralyzed but it's the equivalent of when your power steering goes out in your vehicle
It’s also used as a stabilizer to keep them upright, much like the original design pre-heresy/post thunder warriors
so if you can jump a group of Marines from behind and hit their backs with enough fire quickly enough, then you've essentially paralyzed or half-paralyzed them well enough to give a fighting chance of you surviving the encounter
It gives that new armor smell
initially, before reading the lore, i thought it was an auto loader, the vents in the bottom looked like places to stick a mag and it would explain the near limitless source of ammo they seem to have, just remove the empty mag, stick it in the auto loader and grab the loaded mag from the other slot, after all heavy bolters had a tube connecting to the power pack so i thought it made sense for ammo storage, but it being a power source makes as much sense
"If you remove or severly damage a space marines power pack, they would become paralyzed. Locked in their own armor."
**The Blood Raven's seargent in Dawn of War 1, carrying his banner up to the strategic point up the hill without said pack**
I was reading about this the other day and I'm pretty sure there's a whole load of lore that says they were originally booster jets for zero-G. I always thought the exhaust ports were just a heat vent.
They hold their snacks 🍱
So if you've been spending time looking at space marines you might have wondered what those backpacks are used for.
The poo has to go somewhere
Trying to capture a Space Marine... 😂
Funny.
What about their pauldron? Mini fridge for cold beers? 😂😂😂
Another fact at least going by rogue trader, there is a spirit of the omnissiah in there too
Any power armour needs to have an emergency eject/drop off button. In the event of dead armour you hit the button and the armour falls off at the joint like. Otherwise, it just becomes a coffin where you starve to death.
Reminds me of DCeased, where Tony Starks Iron man Armor loses power completely and he dies in his suit several weeks later, unable to move everything besides his mouth which was spent screaming for help that never arrived.
Those power packs could power a whole home and still not come close to the output power armor needs.
There was a novel called "Armor" that had power armor in it.
Dude went down to like 3% power and had to crawl fist over fist.
So it depends on the author really.
huh, before this short i had a feeling that was the case, although also felt like it might be like a mobile food storage/ammo storage or something like that, to allow a space marine to operate even longer without resupply
Huh, i always assumed, since they very first time i saw a space marine, that their backpack was some kind of life support system or something.
Actually, the back pack IS a jet pack. The two spheric/tubular parts on each side are in fact thrusters for Zero-Gravity combat. Yes, Space Marines also fight in the void when needed.
"So a weakness?"
"Not quite"
That makes so much sense...and makes me want the lmg Las guns in darktide more(gunners)
they can 100% move in the armor just would be slow as hell and cumbersome
The packs do double as a goofy ass jetpacks bot only in microgravity and low gravity environment
Losing power doesn't immediately mean it locks up.
It just becomes regular armor meaning they can still use it for protection, but now they have to bear the armor's weight like medieval knights.
The armor locking up is a different story.
I'd reckon that marines would power down their armor when sneaking to reduce heat signature, then just turn it back on when it's time act.
The Emperor's Children don't use powered armour. They just need a power source for their sex toys. You need SERIOUS wattage behind a magic wand after you've been through all that shit.
Space Marines can still move without the power pack.