@@Sloopdoop Not gonna lie the discord is actually really chill for the game. Almost everyone is fairly friendly and willing to teach. There are subgroups for the mains of specific heroes to discuss builds and what not and there isn't a single chat that I was treated badly when I was asking around to find my new main hero to play. I do highly recommend it to everyone to join.
It’s absolutely worth playing. I realised this game was “it” when I was playing with family members. For game nights, it was usually Pokemon when it came to card games for a bit of nostalgia and ease of picking up and playing. Showed them FaB, they had a ball. Next time we went to play Pokemon again, a few bad hands and being able to do nothing later and getting light heartedly frustrated, and my partner asked “can we play Flesh and Blood instead?” And we haven’t looked back. Playing with matched blitz decks is easy at home and lets you mix it up for cheap, and even dipping a toe into more competitive play, it’s tons cheaper than MtG or Pokemon for that side of things
In Pokémon, the best Deck costs 50€/$. How much does the best FaB cost? Thinking about getting into it if the general cost of the Game is not to high ✌️
@@thepear6684 Pokemon is the cheapest by far. Some staples in fab are 70 dollards, some other only 5-10, so fab is way cheaper than mtg at least. Pokemon though, is by far ! the cheapest to play competitively.
I'm all in. I sold a large chunk of my mtg to buy into flesh and blood. This feels like what commander should have been. Build a deck that has a true identity
I sold my MTG collection for $12k three years ago for this game. Still don't regret it (especially considering half those Magic cards are worthless now)
How could mtg card bé worry nothing now? You can love Fab as much as you want, the game is Amazing, but financially speaking, mtg remains a safest place to put your money. maybe some of your mtg cards lost value, but it should be fair to say that most of Fab cards also lost A LOT of value the last 2 years. But one more Time, game is Amazing, just not good to invest at all.@@Sloopdoop
@@Sloopdoop How does limited play? I generally always only played limited in MTG as I simply love the decision making of drafting and having to play decks that aren't ultra fine tuned. Is limited popular?
It is still worth playing. Very fun and interactive game, but my only gripe is that they won't release an official online client. People at my LGS slowly shifted to only playing Magic and it's been pretty disheartening to only have 1 or 2 people besides me playing. While Talishar is a nice option, it's presentation is not the greatest and it doesn't allow the content creators to make gameplay content around it, as even for players it can be confusing at times. An online client would also help us in smaller or non-existent communities to enjoy the game, but James White has said that they're vehemently against one, so my only hope is that they may reconsider the matter in the future.
I think LSS doing a good job for allowing a community doing a fanbase online client. Even not perfect it is a good opportunity for the programmer to improve their skill in the things they love. In another case Disney Lorcana shutdown a fanbased Online Client without providing an official one leaving pro player in the dark to prepare for their next big regional tournament even their content creator having trouble to make gameplay contents of new decktech. For you small community stay strong and show presence that faB is not a hollow Tcg.
What about talishar doesnt allow you to make content? People stream it on twitch and youtube, its used for video content on every platform? Can you elaborate?
@@ElykMuablhats It can be hard to follow sometimes because of how instant the cards are played and the active effects on the left are a bit unclear sometimes. You can make content with it and there are channels that make good content out of it(Lupinefiasco is one that comes to mind), but it just does not have the polish an official client has and we can't ask for that from the devs, as without them we wouldn't have an easy way to play it online
I get their logic but I've always been way more invested at the store level if I'm also playing online and brewing, testing, competing, etc. Plus you can tie online and store events together in many different ways. This would probably be my one and only game but as is, I'll stick with Pokemon.
Thank you for the video!🎉 Been on the fence for this TCG and you video sold me on it. I just went to my LGS and bought the only products they had. Was only a few historic pack 1 blitz decks but they sold sold me a 2 player playmat. I am excited to learn and play
Found you through Del from Peranine; I remember some of your old interviews and frog-head meme shorts, they were great but this video blew my mind. You now live in my head canon as the prof of FAB. I'm serious this video is really that level and quality. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Sloop, what a great video. I'm also really glad you highlighted the price of some MTG collector booster boxes; the definitive riposte to the tired argument that FAB is expensive.
Just a quick Thank you for this Video. I am just learning how to Play FaB and this Video is the first one I have found that was actually useful in terms of information and advice. Definitely following your Channel for more.
Man this video sold me. Time to make the leap. It's there a good place to play paper webcam games? Spell Table has been a great way for me to play commander when life gets busy and allows me to stay engaged
I legit got interested when I saw how cheap the packs were and now I hear everyone saying it's expensive. But that could be because I'm used to buying Collector booster boxes for mtg
Cnc I’ve pulled a total of 9 copies in history pack vol 1 ,5 e strikes tons of equipment. But it took well over 20 boxes. I definitely am opting in for buy these singles y’all! It is definitely cheaper! Lol
Nice video! I thought I’d share my perspective a little since I think it may be a little different. I enjoyed FaB while I played it but sadly ended up quitting after not being able to upgrade my blitz deck into a classic constructed deck and getting bored of draft/upf. While the balance of the game is good with complete decks, in my experience a complete competitive deck beats a deck with a few missing pieces (especially equipment) most of the time. For myself, I think that the game shares similar issues to a lot of fighting games: the general lack gimmick characters/decks and being completely steamrolled by more experienced players with the expensive equipment and staples. In my 6 months of playing, I’ve seen other new people try the game in draft or UPF but almost no one came back more than twice. Everyone was extremely friendly and even happy to share the cards and I really hope that other stores are getting new players. A few of my friends seem to enjoy this game more than me or became better friends with people at the store (likely both) and I’m very happy that they have found a card game that they like. So I still encourage people to try it through blitz or even cc, especially now that there’s a lesser barrier of entry for it. Yet I sadly have to accept that FaB is not a game for me :(
I began the game with blitz with Lexi at the time not knowing about the living legend rule. as a player who had the funds, i bought into the initial important pieces like New Horizons, Channel Lake Frigid and a bunch of other powerful ranger cards hoping to slowly build my way to CC as at the time, i knew Lexi was my hero and my favourite of all. Ofc a few months later i came to find out that lexi had become living legend and basically was told that my deck was banned everywhere except blitz. by this time the LGS i played at stopped hosting blitz and was starting to move to CC as most players were starting off with blitz and were now starting to play CC to prep for events. Kind of the reason i dont like FaB. however, i am still looking for reasons to try a different hero but am holding off a lot on buying cards after this incident.
Only if they change the name of the game to “Command and Conquer” lol but also, they need to make sure they support LL heroes, otherwise most older cards will become worthless and players are forced to play heroes they dont like as much or buying new sets.... which goes against the concept of why i started playing this “non rotating tcg” . I wanted to keep my heroes and update their decks over time to adapt and make different version, but now, if you invest too much in a hero, it feels bad once it goes LL..... or if it gets too many bans. and thats NOT fun. To helpfix this, An evolving suspended/restricted list is ideal. there needs to be more heroes to allow more deck building. Look at how awesome the new star wars tcg is with its rapidly growing roster of leaders. Dragon Ball Masters is the best at pumping out thematic and complex heroes, and even the newer more simpler One Piece has released more leaders than FaB. Theres also alpha clash... I really like Blitz and Commoner, both which need more tournament support. But UPF is not optimal, it needs better rules, and “politics” is not an excuse for a poor multiplayer game. Just my $0.02
I dont think they will ever change the LL system so fundamentally like that. I think they will lean on the LL format instead to give people the option of playing with their old decks. Their current approach is to make the cards that LL that arent tied to a specific hero become playable within a year of them being "out of rotation". You see this with the retrains of heroes and like in recent sets. In Rosetta they specifically chose make the lightning and earth cards playable again. I think around 20 heroes a year is more than good enough which is around what is going to come out this year. I'd rather have well supported and designed heroes vs what One piece does where there's a ton of leader cards that get 0 competitive play.
Hard agree on upf rulings being a bit scuffed, hard disagree on needing more heroes. One piece for example has ton of leaders... Of which only like 3 are played at high level tournaments. Having a bit fewer heroes, but well balanced and supported is way more important. I don't want new player to see a hero they like and hear it's "pretty unplayable" or a "worst version of another one". I already had to warn a new player about arakni. Which honestly is the only hero who falls in this category of seeming he won't ever become better.
@@forfunsies5427 yes, but more can be better! with one piece, its a simpler game and thats why I play it only casually. more leaders lets players have more fun by reenacting their fborite anime battles. Dragon Ball Masters is superb since almost every leader is viable in winning a major tourney, especially with sideboard. meanwhile, the game is both complex and casually fun for thematic battles. Finally, how could more heroes be worse if they are all well-deaigned? and the game NEEDS more heroes if it's ever going to become casual / multpilayer
This game has the dynamism of single player card games (slay the spire) with all the good stuff that comes from pvp and in person play, everything well balanced
Do I like the game yes. Do I still enjoy playing it? Not really. Feeling burned out with mst, hh was great and I thought kayo was a mistake, now all 3 mst heroes are really unfun to play against, zen is a real problem. Will have to drop the game for some time and return next year because when mst released i stoped enjoying it.
This is my first video of yours that I watch as I'm looking to visit the game for Rosetta since I loved the art from Tales of Aria but never pulled the trigger back then. I'm pleasantly surprised to find a Canadian content creator as we Canadians seem to be kinda few and far between online. Do you have any shops you can recommend buying from for FaB product? My LGS stopped carrying the game after Monarch...
I am thoroughly enjoying FaB. It provides a play style that I have not gotten from other TCGs. Almost similar to Final Fantasy in pitching etc but this feels like a superior fighting game. And when I say fighting game I mean it is virtually the TCG equivalent of a Tekken or Street Fighter. Dash i/O for life. Come at me bro!
Yugioh players are some of the most toxic people I ever met. Seattle actually shut down selling yugioh in like 90% of local stores because of the toxic behaviors of people. It’s all magic, Pokémon and Flesh and blood now here
It's an amazing game, but i gotta say I'm still pretty frustrated after playing 2 years, i still lack a lot of the staples. I chose assassin, which was a huge financial mistake as the cards prices are just insane. It's pretty discouraging sometimes but well, bit by bit I upgrade my deck and still enjoy the game. I'm pretty sure that at some point I'll get tired of the constant new releases and power creep (hello Kayo and Zen). TCGs are awesome but man what a money trap they are 😅
Assassin is a relatively new hero that uses so many legendary pieces, that their cards are especially expensive. The newest set, Rosetta, will be WAY more cost effective. I’d recommend guardian, or ninja for cost effective cards.
"Quit Magic and never looked back." It feels like you are still looking back, just with venom instead of fondness. I enjoy watching your videos to learn more about FaB, but each one seems to have several Jabs at Magic. Even this one mentioned multiple times about one of magics bad products. And then the comparison you made felt kindof disingenuous. Is it overcosted? Absolutely, its a produxt i wouldnt buy. But its price is jacked up due to being alt arts and foils. Your paying extreme prices for fancy cardboard not to access certain cards(its still an eggregious price though). As someone who still plays magic(and several other tcg) despite some gripes about the company, it gets a little annoying when it comes accross that i should play FaB because magic sucks. I cant really get into the mindset of liking something becasue something else was worse. Especially since FaB is so insanely different from how most other TCG play. It combines the "any card is mana" aspect of Lorcana with the speed of Yugioh. And then on top of that GREATLY mitigates the card advantage fights other tcg have by giving player their full hand back every turn. Id like it better if there was more focus on what FaB does differently and why it is good, instead of looking at what they do the same and pointing out how others are worse. Idk, that was kindof a rant. I do love your videos. I just keep running into MTG hate and it annoyd me a little. I havent watched all of your videos either, so maybe ive just been unlucky and only seen the ones that have those jabs.
When i first started FaB, i thought it fixed all of Magic's problems. As I played more, it actually started feeling less complex. Since you always draw up, there is rarely a reason to not empty your hand every turn cycle, making nearly every matchup feel like youre just throwinf your hands at each other with numbers as guidance. Maybe it gets better as you get better at the game, but i returned to MtG after a bit.
@@danhtran5088 this game has a hero rotation system where when they win enough events and accumulate 1000 points, they leave the main formats (Classic Constructed and Blitz). The hero and their signature weapon (So Oldhim and Winter's Wail) are no longer legal, but every other card still is. Oldhim hit LL last year However they just released a new Armory deck of Jarl Vetreidi, a new Ice and Earth Guardian just like Oldhim, so if you loved that hero, Jarl could be great for you
They killed casual and armories (Elo instead of EXP, prizes are lackluster, playmats/promos are worthless), its all about competitive play. Which makes it not worth playing. Better to just judge events than to play at this point.
I would not travel either to FAB tournament but those guys who top8-wins those events are true gamers and must be respected unlike some other game winners are just 'ok'. The game is for you if you like challenge.
@@cyanidecologne9018 Even bringing all your stuff needed can ask some logistics in this game and understandable this time consuming hobby should be 'rewarding' sometimes meaning high price support or interesting games (equally skilled players, good environment etc)
20:15 - buying a 100$ display and it turning out to be a complete dud of 6 majestics that go for pennies is pretty anticonsumer to me tbh. Why do legendaries have to be once per case. It's quite stupid.
It's been pretty clear just buying one display is not gonna be worth it for fab. Either buy at least a case or just get singles. 1 rainbow foil legendary per box I would like but i dont know how that would affect the secondary market
As a new player, not only are the cards over priced, I could not find any of them even if I was going to pay for them. Most of what you argued sounds like sunken cost.
@@jackhingos7741 By comparing to how many very nice meals it can get me personally. If a piece of cardboard costs more than three trips out to a sit in restaurant than it is overproced in my book
Starter decks also need around $500 worth of upgrades to be competitive. The prizes in their major tournaments being those stupid mystery envelopes is just crap. All that time & hard work to win and get an assured Cold Foil... just to pull a common. 🤣
The big question for me is: does it cost upwards of 100+ dollars to put together a competent deck? card affordability is a big hurdle for players like me getting into a new card game
@@fencingfireferret1188 you can purchase an Armory deck for $40-50 and they are quite good. There's also Commoner which is growing in popularity where decks are like $15. But for a fully tuned CC deck, you're looking at $400 on the low end
Flesh and Blood was one of the best TCG's mechanically that I've played. With that said the lack of a real online client outside of talishar made it unplayable for me. I'm from a small town and with nobody else to play with locally It's just not something I was able to continue doing.
I just paid double for 2 armory decks on CM because it's sold out everywhere i go :D I'm not even mad. There is just something about New Zealand i tell you. My favorite PC game is Path of Exile from Grinding Gear Games, also from New Zealand. Flesh and blood is scratching that same itch. I also like One Piece, i just can't help myself with that franchise :D
Yes it is. However as someone who loves the game I have zero scene around me. This game needs to change its philosophy to look into an official online client. It’s a brilliant game.
@@stigmurder99 I don’t disagree lol, but time is a factor for me as I have a few kids and I’m busy with them. Nearest place that plays is an hour from me and I can’t just go on a whim. Maybe one day!
When I was younger the best time I had playing MTG was when I had a deck built with a strong theme (Simic). What I love about FAB is the decks built around a hero feel very flavorful.
Dude please be honest. This game is expensive no matter how long the card last, the moment there are core pieces that cost 50 USD or more is deterring new player. New players without those core pieces will just lose to those with it.
The game is awesome but the problem is the equipment pieces if you don’t what to spend 200$ to 300$ so tou can buy one to two legendary equipment because if not you will never be abel to compete with other players that do so.
The game game kind of accessible equipment with temper so you can compete in therms of tempo against players who have the legendary equipment that dor the most part always have that ability. And having the tempo is the key to win in flesh and blood. And that is the reason that i quit playing it. 😕
What scared us away was the speculators. Everyone bought boxes like they released mtg Alpha 2.0 and the cards would be worth a fortune later without even playing the game (which was mediocre as we actually tried it out)
i am not the biggest fan of the game itself but the community really is amazing plus it dosnt release 500 new expansions every month so its alot more wallet friendly to play
I play during 2 years but sell everything, And I was very frustrate, card drop is so low and price are so high, And nobody play without optimum deck, so if you don't have the best card (the most expensive) you can't compete against other, even in armory with your friends. Thats really sad because the game is really cool Also power creep is abuse in last edition (Kayo and Zen) Lexi was let destroy everything because her deck was really expensive, until its LL and all the player have to buy new things. Kayo has taken 500point of LL in 2 month, and they give him imba torso, and 3 blue.....what the point ? ---> money money money And Zen is absurd, I honestly don't thinks they really test the deck, or it's really a money strategie of power creep
I have always found card games to be interesting, but I cannot stomach spending more than $60 for a properly competitive deck ,which is impossible in basically every TCG. Take all the $60 cards and print them into the ground or let me compete with proxies. I am happy for there to be ultra rare cards that are chase collectables, but they either need to be alternative art treatments of a cheaper and more commonly available card or unplayable trash. if you are happy because you payed $274 for a single card you are gaslighting yourself. it almost certainly didnt cost more than 50cents to manufacture you got scammed.
@@Steamedhams578maybe you are but not all of us can waste that much money to buy in. As I said I am happy for $274 cards to exist, I just want them to be rare alternative art treatments or intentionally made unplayable trash. You can buy the card hold it for a while and then sell it for $300. But I will buy the version that is functionally identical but only costs 50 cents.
@@Steamedhams578 And how often are you selling the cards you buy for a profit? Not how many could you maybe, but how much have you made selling compar3ed to what you paid?
To build a enigma only missing cards from mist i needed to spend 400$ - and that is rly too much. I would prefer more use of old cards than pushing new ones.
@@herrjohnny6496 the main core was it is NOT rotating game. The heroes should rotate but not other cards. We should get new heroes that use those old cards not totaly new cards that make older cards a trash.
I stopped buying magic card when they started play booster as a excuse to bring booster boxes to 130 a piece with fewer card in them. As much as I love magic the gathering. I can't support these evil greedy companies. I am going to be trying this game with my brother if we like it we will be willing to buy more and even go play at a lgs.
Man, this is the best Flesh and Blood video ever made. Every point that makes Flesh and Blood such an amazing game you brought up. Keep up the amazing work, and showing the world again and again why it’s is STILL worth playing Flesh and Blood.
I can't believe sloopdoop spent 25 minutes just saying yes. Such a chad.
Not gonna lie, he can do this for another hour if it were up to me. Just keep the outfit, the beard and those blue eyes and I'm entertained. 😅
Woah jumpscared me with myself
Its your fault for making such a good video
I. Love. This. Game. My local community is amazing. Online can indeed be cringe, but my local community is super awesome.
In person FaB community is truly a thing of wonder. I knew the online space would go to shit eventually, but thank goodness everyone is awesome irl
@@Sloopdoop Not gonna lie the discord is actually really chill for the game. Almost everyone is fairly friendly and willing to teach. There are subgroups for the mains of specific heroes to discuss builds and what not and there isn't a single chat that I was treated badly when I was asking around to find my new main hero to play. I do highly recommend it to everyone to join.
It’s absolutely worth playing. I realised this game was “it” when I was playing with family members. For game nights, it was usually Pokemon when it came to card games for a bit of nostalgia and ease of picking up and playing. Showed them FaB, they had a ball. Next time we went to play Pokemon again, a few bad hands and being able to do nothing later and getting light heartedly frustrated, and my partner asked “can we play Flesh and Blood instead?” And we haven’t looked back. Playing with matched blitz decks is easy at home and lets you mix it up for cheap, and even dipping a toe into more competitive play, it’s tons cheaper than MtG or Pokemon for that side of things
FaB tons cheaper than Pokemon for competetive? No idea how you got to that conclusion, pokemon is extremely cheap to play
@@tokki8282 Most likely playing blitz and/or with proxies.
When with family,not paying 200-500 of your currency is valid.
In Pokémon, the best Deck costs 50€/$. How much does the best FaB cost? Thinking about getting into it if the general cost of the Game is not to high ✌️
@@thepear6684 Pokemon is the cheapest by far. Some staples in fab are 70 dollards, some other only 5-10, so fab is way cheaper than mtg at least. Pokemon though, is by far ! the cheapest to play competitively.
Fab is way more expensive than pokemon..
I'm all in. I sold a large chunk of my mtg to buy into flesh and blood. This feels like what commander should have been. Build a deck that has a true identity
I sold my MTG collection for $12k three years ago for this game. Still don't regret it (especially considering half those Magic cards are worthless now)
How could mtg card bé worry nothing now?
You can love Fab as much as you want, the game is Amazing, but financially speaking, mtg remains a safest place to put your money. maybe some of your mtg cards lost value, but it should be fair to say that most of Fab cards also lost A LOT of value the last 2 years.
But one more Time, game is Amazing, just not good to invest at all.@@Sloopdoop
@@Sloopdoop How does limited play? I generally always only played limited in MTG as I simply love the decision making of drafting and having to play decks that aren't ultra fine tuned. Is limited popular?
It is still worth playing. Very fun and interactive game, but my only gripe is that they won't release an official online client. People at my LGS slowly shifted to only playing Magic and it's been pretty disheartening to only have 1 or 2 people besides me playing. While Talishar is a nice option, it's presentation is not the greatest and it doesn't allow the content creators to make gameplay content around it, as even for players it can be confusing at times. An online client would also help us in smaller or non-existent communities to enjoy the game, but James White has said that they're vehemently against one, so my only hope is that they may reconsider the matter in the future.
I think LSS doing a good job for allowing a community doing a fanbase online client. Even not perfect it is a good opportunity for the programmer to improve their skill in the things they love. In another case Disney Lorcana shutdown a fanbased Online Client without providing an official one leaving pro player in the dark to prepare for their next big regional tournament even their content creator having trouble to make gameplay contents of new decktech. For you small community stay strong and show presence that faB is not a hollow Tcg.
What about talishar doesnt allow you to make content? People stream it on twitch and youtube, its used for video content on every platform? Can you elaborate?
@@ElykMuablhats It can be hard to follow sometimes because of how instant the cards are played and the active effects on the left are a bit unclear sometimes. You can make content with it and there are channels that make good content out of it(Lupinefiasco is one that comes to mind), but it just does not have the polish an official client has and we can't ask for that from the devs, as without them we wouldn't have an easy way to play it online
I get their logic but I've always been way more invested at the store level if I'm also playing online and brewing, testing, competing, etc. Plus you can tie online and store events together in many different ways. This would probably be my one and only game but as is, I'll stick with Pokemon.
I just picked up 4 blitz decks. So far my son and I love how the game plays
Honestly this game is incredible to play with just the precon Blitz decks!
Thank you for the video!🎉 Been on the fence for this TCG and you video sold me on it.
I just went to my LGS and bought the only products they had. Was only a few historic pack 1 blitz decks but they sold sold me a 2 player playmat. I am excited to learn and play
As someone who's played Yu-Gi-Oh for a few years, Magic for a TON of years... Nothing has captured me like FaB. It's just great!
Great content as always! Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Found you through Del from Peranine; I remember some of your old interviews and frog-head meme shorts, they were great but this video blew my mind. You now live in my head canon as the prof of FAB. I'm serious this video is really that level and quality. Keep up the good work.
Shouts out to Kevin MacLeod for the great music. Great choice!
Only just got into this in the last 2 weeks. Really have to admit it's a blast. Have had some great matches so far. Top stuff 😙👌
Thanks Sloop, what a great video. I'm also really glad you highlighted the price of some MTG collector booster boxes; the definitive riposte to the tired argument that FAB is expensive.
I'd rather cards be expensive due to player demand than the company straight up scamming people with their product
I played my first couple games 2021 but I never played again, up until 2 months ago. I never knew how big the community is. These videos are great!
Just a quick Thank you for this Video. I am just learning how to Play FaB and this Video is the first one I have found that was actually useful in terms of information and advice. Definitely following your Channel for more.
Man this video sold me. Time to make the leap. It's there a good place to play paper webcam games? Spell Table has been a great way for me to play commander when life gets busy and allows me to stay engaged
>if you just wanna play casually at an armory
jokes on you, our local armory is competive as heck
I legit got interested when I saw how cheap the packs were and now I hear everyone saying it's expensive. But that could be because I'm used to buying Collector booster boxes for mtg
If collector boosters were within your price range than the price probably wont be to big a factor for ya i reckon.
Sloop, kudos on creating amazing videos! To the rest of you, if on the fence this game (better yet community) is amazing as well!
Cnc I’ve pulled a total of 9 copies in history pack vol 1 ,5 e strikes tons of equipment. But it took well over 20 boxes. I definitely am opting in for buy these singles y’all! It is definitely cheaper! Lol
Nice video! I thought I’d share my perspective a little since I think it may be a little different. I enjoyed FaB while I played it but sadly ended up quitting after not being able to upgrade my blitz deck into a classic constructed deck and getting bored of draft/upf.
While the balance of the game is good with complete decks, in my experience a complete competitive deck beats a deck with a few missing pieces (especially equipment) most of the time. For myself, I think that the game shares similar issues to a lot of fighting games: the general lack gimmick characters/decks and being completely steamrolled by more experienced players with the expensive equipment and staples.
In my 6 months of playing, I’ve seen other new people try the game in draft or UPF but almost no one came back more than twice. Everyone was extremely friendly and even happy to share the cards and I really hope that other stores are getting new players.
A few of my friends seem to enjoy this game more than me or became better friends with people at the store (likely both) and I’m very happy that they have found a card game that they like.
So I still encourage people to try it through blitz or even cc, especially now that there’s a lesser barrier of entry for it. Yet I sadly have to accept that FaB is not a game for me :(
I began the game with blitz with Lexi at the time not knowing about the living legend rule. as a player who had the funds, i bought into the initial important pieces like New Horizons, Channel Lake Frigid and a bunch of other powerful ranger cards hoping to slowly build my way to CC as at the time, i knew Lexi was my hero and my favourite of all. Ofc a few months later i came to find out that lexi had become living legend and basically was told that my deck was banned everywhere except blitz. by this time the LGS i played at stopped hosting blitz and was starting to move to CC as most players were starting off with blitz and were now starting to play CC to prep for events. Kind of the reason i dont like FaB. however, i am still looking for reasons to try a different hero but am holding off a lot on buying cards after this incident.
This video is going to get me into checking out the game! Thanks so much
I just bought an Aria blitz deck for like $12 from my local shop because of the art no idea what it is but is love to know if this deck is good
Especially with the latest MtG news, this game is my last bastion of hope. I'm so ready.
I hope it explodes due to this. Magic has truly lost its way.
Fab has been my number 1 ever since Monarch. Best tcg going around.
Only if they change the name of the game to “Command and Conquer” lol but also, they need to make sure they support LL heroes, otherwise most older cards will become worthless and players are forced to play heroes they dont like as much or buying new sets.... which goes against the concept of why i started playing this “non rotating tcg” . I wanted to keep my heroes and update their decks over time to adapt and make different version, but now, if you invest too much in a hero, it feels bad once it goes LL..... or if it gets too many bans. and thats NOT fun. To helpfix this, An evolving suspended/restricted list is ideal.
there needs to be more heroes to allow more deck building. Look at how awesome the new star wars tcg is with its rapidly growing roster of leaders. Dragon Ball Masters is the best at pumping out thematic and complex heroes, and even the newer more simpler One Piece has released more leaders than FaB. Theres also alpha clash...
I really like Blitz and Commoner, both which need more tournament support. But UPF is not optimal, it needs better rules, and “politics” is not an excuse for a poor multiplayer game. Just my $0.02
P.s. good vid Sloop
I dont think they will ever change the LL system so fundamentally like that. I think they will lean on the LL format instead to give people the option of playing with their old decks. Their current approach is to make the cards that LL that arent tied to a specific hero become playable within a year of them being "out of rotation". You see this with the retrains of heroes and like in recent sets. In Rosetta they specifically chose make the lightning and earth cards playable again.
I think around 20 heroes a year is more than good enough which is around what is going to come out this year. I'd rather have well supported and designed heroes vs what One piece does where there's a ton of leader cards that get 0 competitive play.
Hard agree on upf rulings being a bit scuffed, hard disagree on needing more heroes.
One piece for example has ton of leaders... Of which only like 3 are played at high level tournaments.
Having a bit fewer heroes, but well balanced and supported is way more important.
I don't want new player to see a hero they like and hear it's "pretty unplayable" or a "worst version of another one".
I already had to warn a new player about arakni. Which honestly is the only hero who falls in this category of seeming he won't ever become better.
More doesn't always mean better
@@forfunsies5427 yes, but more can be better! with one piece, its a simpler game and thats why I play it only casually. more leaders lets players have more fun by reenacting their fborite anime battles. Dragon Ball Masters is superb since almost every leader is viable in winning a major tourney, especially with sideboard. meanwhile, the game is both complex and casually fun for thematic battles. Finally, how could more heroes be worse if they are all well-deaigned? and the game NEEDS more heroes if it's ever going to become casual / multpilayer
You've been slooping our doops for 3 years, dude (Whatever that means) .
Congrats! 😂
This is a piece of art, will be sharing with all the curious tcg players
Great video Wes!
Thank you my friend
This game has the dynamism of single player card games (slay the spire) with all the good stuff that comes from pvp and in person play, everything well balanced
The hand refreshing feels very much like Slay the Spire!
Do I like the game yes. Do I still enjoy playing it? Not really. Feeling burned out with mst, hh was great and I thought kayo was a mistake, now all 3 mst heroes are really unfun to play against, zen is a real problem. Will have to drop the game for some time and return next year because when mst released i stoped enjoying it.
This is my first video of yours that I watch as I'm looking to visit the game for Rosetta since I loved the art from Tales of Aria but never pulled the trigger back then. I'm pleasantly surprised to find a Canadian content creator as we Canadians seem to be kinda few and far between online. Do you have any shops you can recommend buying from for FaB product? My LGS stopped carrying the game after Monarch...
Great video. Better than the how I tried to approach this same topic.
It is absolutely worth it flesh and blood is hands down the best tcg I've ever played and I've played alot
I moved on to play Grand Archive and BSS (Battle Spirit Saga)
I am thoroughly enjoying FaB. It provides a play style that I have not gotten from other TCGs. Almost similar to Final Fantasy in pitching etc but this feels like a superior fighting game. And when I say fighting game I mean it is virtually the TCG equivalent of a Tekken or Street Fighter. Dash i/O for life. Come at me bro!
Fantastic video as always. Hope to hang out in person again one day sooner than later😭. Tampa?
Great video!
Also Grand Archive mentioned, instant like lol
Yugioh players are some of the most toxic people I ever met. Seattle actually shut down selling yugioh in like 90% of local stores because of the toxic behaviors of people. It’s all magic, Pokémon and Flesh and blood now here
> Is it worth playingg Flesh and Blood?
> Bajillion flesh and blood posters in the background
It's an amazing game, but i gotta say I'm still pretty frustrated after playing 2 years, i still lack a lot of the staples. I chose assassin, which was a huge financial mistake as the cards prices are just insane. It's pretty discouraging sometimes but well, bit by bit I upgrade my deck and still enjoy the game. I'm pretty sure that at some point I'll get tired of the constant new releases and power creep (hello Kayo and Zen). TCGs are awesome but man what a money trap they are 😅
What would be a more sensible choice when it comes to cost-efficient heroes?
Assassin is a relatively new hero that uses so many legendary pieces, that their cards are especially expensive. The newest set, Rosetta, will be WAY more cost effective. I’d recommend guardian, or ninja for cost effective cards.
Great video. Definitely an amazing game, and well worth checking out.
The devs and the community don't put enough love into UPF. Bums me out. I'll come back to the game if we ever see PvE
"Quit Magic and never looked back."
It feels like you are still looking back, just with venom instead of fondness.
I enjoy watching your videos to learn more about FaB, but each one seems to have several Jabs at Magic. Even this one mentioned multiple times about one of magics bad products. And then the comparison you made felt kindof disingenuous. Is it overcosted? Absolutely, its a produxt i wouldnt buy. But its price is jacked up due to being alt arts and foils. Your paying extreme prices for fancy cardboard not to access certain cards(its still an eggregious price though).
As someone who still plays magic(and several other tcg) despite some gripes about the company, it gets a little annoying when it comes accross that i should play FaB because magic sucks. I cant really get into the mindset of liking something becasue something else was worse.
Especially since FaB is so insanely different from how most other TCG play. It combines the "any card is mana" aspect of Lorcana with the speed of Yugioh. And then on top of that GREATLY mitigates the card advantage fights other tcg have by giving player their full hand back every turn. Id like it better if there was more focus on what FaB does differently and why it is good, instead of looking at what they do the same and pointing out how others are worse.
Idk, that was kindof a rant. I do love your videos. I just keep running into MTG hate and it annoyd me a little. I havent watched all of your videos either, so maybe ive just been unlucky and only seen the ones that have those jabs.
Good video and nice job for the game !
When i first started FaB, i thought it fixed all of Magic's problems. As I played more, it actually started feeling less complex. Since you always draw up, there is rarely a reason to not empty your hand every turn cycle, making nearly every matchup feel like youre just throwinf your hands at each other with numbers as guidance. Maybe it gets better as you get better at the game, but i returned to MtG after a bit.
Yeah it's way more in depth than that as you get better
Armory decks being $60 for the new ones feels a bit crazy. It's cheap compared to a competitive deck, but I'm used to starters being $20-30...
Great video. Still think this game deserves more attention what it gets, at least locally.
Tell me about it. My LGSs basically gave up on FaB. They stopped selling it, and they said they have no intention of doing it again.
What happened to Oldheim? He looks so cool but he's banned?
@@danhtran5088 this game has a hero rotation system where when they win enough events and accumulate 1000 points, they leave the main formats (Classic Constructed and Blitz). The hero and their signature weapon (So Oldhim and Winter's Wail) are no longer legal, but every other card still is. Oldhim hit LL last year
However they just released a new Armory deck of Jarl Vetreidi, a new Ice and Earth Guardian just like Oldhim, so if you loved that hero, Jarl could be great for you
I love watching Flesh and Blood gameplay and was curious when this video popped up cuz it’s been very difficult to find an LGS in my area to play 😔
They killed casual and armories (Elo instead of EXP, prizes are lackluster, playmats/promos are worthless), its all about competitive play. Which makes it not worth playing. Better to just judge events than to play at this point.
I would not travel either to FAB tournament but those guys who top8-wins those events are true gamers and must be respected unlike some other game winners are just 'ok'. The game is for you if you like challenge.
Yea Noone plays outside of the bigger tournaments in my area so it's effectively dead for growth
@@cyanidecologne9018 Even bringing all your stuff needed can ask some logistics in this game and understandable this time consuming hobby should be 'rewarding' sometimes meaning high price support or interesting games (equally skilled players, good environment etc)
Sloopdoop doing gods work 👼
20:15 - buying a 100$ display and it turning out to be a complete dud of 6 majestics that go for pennies is pretty anticonsumer to me tbh. Why do legendaries have to be once per case. It's quite stupid.
That also raises an issue with lose boxs if it's one legendary per case then someone can just sell the boxs that don't have a legendary in it.
I don't think they are once per case, I once got 2 from one Heavy Hitters booster display. It may be that at least one is guaranteed.
It's been pretty clear just buying one display is not gonna be worth it for fab. Either buy at least a case or just get singles. 1 rainbow foil legendary per box I would like but i dont know how that would affect the secondary market
I WILL NOT STAND BY SILENTLY AND ALLOW YOU TO SLANDER THE HUNTSMAN.
Great video - slick editing. 🤘😎
As a new player, not only are the cards over priced, I could not find any of them even if I was going to pay for them. Most of what you argued sounds like sunken cost.
Huh
Lol
As a new player, exactly how do you determine what's overpriced?
@@jackhingos7741 By comparing to how many very nice meals it can get me personally. If a piece of cardboard costs more than three trips out to a sit in restaurant than it is overproced in my book
Starter decks also need around $500 worth of upgrades to be competitive.
The prizes in their major tournaments being those stupid mystery envelopes is just crap. All that time & hard work to win and get an assured Cold Foil... just to pull a common. 🤣
What should I buy to play with a friend?
Blitz bundles could be a great start!
I'm still waiting for LSS to make my Benji viable
I think fab is the most unique tcg ever created
I need to know where you get those jackets please.
@@Christian-wr4ge Coofandy wasitcoats on Amazon
@@Sloopdoop Thanks lad :)
The big question for me is: does it cost upwards of 100+ dollars to put together a competent deck? card affordability is a big hurdle for players like me getting into a new card game
@@fencingfireferret1188 you can purchase an Armory deck for $40-50 and they are quite good. There's also Commoner which is growing in popularity where decks are like $15. But for a fully tuned CC deck, you're looking at $400 on the low end
@@Sloopdoop ugh that's hella discouraging ngl.
@@fencingfireferret1188 👍
Flesh and Blood was one of the best TCG's mechanically that I've played. With that said the lack of a real online client outside of talishar made it unplayable for me. I'm from a small town and with nobody else to play with locally It's just not something I was able to continue doing.
"Have a fighting chance at your locals" - never happened.
What do I buy first?
Pick any Armory Deck that you think looks cool
I just paid double for 2 armory decks on CM because it's sold out everywhere i go :D
I'm not even mad.
There is just something about New Zealand i tell you.
My favorite PC game is Path of Exile from Grinding Gear Games, also from New Zealand.
Flesh and blood is scratching that same itch.
I also like One Piece, i just can't help myself with that franchise :D
Your videos became so professionally looking. U really have had a gigachad glowup. Great work on your videos!
Yes it is. However as someone who loves the game I have zero scene around me. This game needs to change its philosophy to look into an official online client. It’s a brilliant game.
I get your point but the game is literally about getting people together in the Flesh and Blood for gaming...
@@stigmurder99 100% just sucks it won’t be accessible more a large majority
@robertviscomi8199 the majority of people suck anyways it'll be okay just find some friends and teach them 😆
@@stigmurder99 I don’t disagree lol, but time is a factor for me as I have a few kids and I’m busy with them. Nearest place that plays is an hour from me and I can’t just go on a whim. Maybe one day!
No locals within an hour from my house, all cancelled, so unfortunately I play on talishar only
11:35 say no more. flesh and blood is NOT worth getting into
When I was younger the best time I had playing MTG was when I had a deck built with a strong theme (Simic). What I love about FAB is the decks built around a hero feel very flavorful.
Dude please be honest. This game is expensive no matter how long the card last, the moment there are core pieces that cost 50 USD or more is deterring new player. New players without those core pieces will just lose to those with it.
Okay so just play against those who don't have it then?
The game is awesome but the problem is the equipment pieces if you don’t what to spend 200$ to 300$ so tou can buy one to two legendary equipment because if not you will never be abel to compete with other players that do so.
The game game kind of accessible equipment with temper so you can compete in therms of tempo against players who have the legendary equipment that dor the most part always have that ability.
And having the tempo is the key to win in flesh and blood.
And that is the reason that i quit playing it. 😕
is there online version?
Yup, look up talishar.net!
Tolarian community college meets josh strife hayes 😅
nah, I'll stick to magic. didn't take long for the "hurr durr its better than magic" snobs to become loud enough push me away from the game.
What scared us away was the speculators. Everyone bought boxes like they released mtg Alpha 2.0 and the cards would be worth a fortune later without even playing the game (which was mediocre as we actually tried it out)
i am not the biggest fan of the game itself but the community really is amazing plus it dosnt release 500 new expansions every month so its alot more wallet friendly to play
great value tolerian cc proffessor. i like it.
I play during 2 years but sell everything, And I was very frustrate, card drop is so low and price are so high, And nobody play without optimum deck, so if you don't have the best card (the most expensive) you can't compete against other, even in armory with your friends. Thats really sad because the game is really cool
Also power creep is abuse in last edition (Kayo and Zen)
Lexi was let destroy everything because her deck was really expensive, until its LL and all the player have to buy new things.
Kayo has taken 500point of LL in 2 month, and they give him imba torso, and 3 blue.....what the point ? ---> money money money
And Zen is absurd, I honestly don't thinks they really test the deck, or it's really a money strategie of power creep
Guess who’s back ! 👀
Don't even need convincing, just here for the new sloop content.
I have always found card games to be interesting, but I cannot stomach spending more than $60 for a properly competitive deck ,which is impossible in basically every TCG. Take all the $60 cards and print them into the ground or let me compete with proxies. I am happy for there to be ultra rare cards that are chase collectables, but they either need to be alternative art treatments of a cheaper and more commonly available card or unplayable trash.
if you are happy because you payed $274 for a single card you are gaslighting yourself. it almost certainly didnt cost more than 50cents to manufacture you got scammed.
As long as they are selling (they are), they won't change this philosophy
@@GuilhermeDiGiorgi You aint wrong and neither is he
Actually I'm very happy If I pay $274 for a card, play with it for a while then sell it later for $300.
@@Steamedhams578maybe you are but not all of us can waste that much money to buy in.
As I said I am happy for $274 cards to exist, I just want them to be rare alternative art treatments or intentionally made unplayable trash.
You can buy the card hold it for a while and then sell it for $300. But I will buy the version that is functionally identical but only costs 50 cents.
@@Steamedhams578 And how often are you selling the cards you buy for a profit? Not how many could you maybe, but how much have you made selling compar3ed to what you paid?
Have you played _VTES yet ?? =P
I dunno man. The whole reason I want to leave yu-gi-oh is the feeling of being priced out. I'm not sure if I want to get into this anymore.
To build a enigma only missing cards from mist i needed to spend 400$ - and that is rly too much. I would prefer more use of old cards than pushing new ones.
Thats the point! FaB is a rotating game just like MtG (Standard/Modern)
@@herrjohnny6496 the main core was it is NOT rotating game. The heroes should rotate but not other cards. We should get new heroes that use those old cards not totaly new cards that make older cards a trash.
500 dollars for 12 packs is a very bad example since it's COLLECTOR packs...
Geeze
Who up rn slooping their doop
I want to specialize in a class but i like all of them 😢
I wish they're online flesh and blood
@@L8RSTORM look up Talishar for Flesh and Blood, its a free online client
Reported this video for the murder at 18:20.
I haven't gone back to that timestamp but I'm willing to bet it was the YGO shower roast
@@Sloopdoopit was the FAB's box Pricing vs Collectors Boosters' bit.
Where's the steampunk cowboy?
I stopped buying magic card when they started play booster as a excuse to bring booster boxes to 130 a piece with fewer card in them. As much as I love magic the gathering. I can't support these evil greedy companies. I am going to be trying this game with my brother if we like it we will be willing to buy more and even go play at a lgs.
Man, this is the best Flesh and Blood video ever made. Every point that makes Flesh and Blood such an amazing game you brought up. Keep up the amazing work, and showing the world again and again why it’s is STILL worth playing Flesh and Blood.
truth nukes start at 18:19
Looks like myst change the powering down, and made a power up.
I just bought koya
Nice!
This sounds cool
This game is like having a jojo stand
Remember Legend Of The Five Rings? Hope it doesnt happen to FnB...
i need more