Is it STILL worth it to play Flesh and Blood?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Flesh and Blood has been going for almost 5 years now, and many people still have the question of whether or not it's worth it to play. I attempted to answer this question a year and a half ago, but the game has changed since then, and so in this video, I am revisiting it.
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I can't believe sloopdoop spent 25 minutes just saying yes. Such a chad.
Not gonna lie, he can do this for another hour if it were up to me. Just keep the outfit, the beard and those blue eyes and I'm entertained. 😅
It’s absolutely worth playing. I realised this game was “it” when I was playing with family members. For game nights, it was usually Pokemon when it came to card games for a bit of nostalgia and ease of picking up and playing. Showed them FaB, they had a ball. Next time we went to play Pokemon again, a few bad hands and being able to do nothing later and getting light heartedly frustrated, and my partner asked “can we play Flesh and Blood instead?” And we haven’t looked back. Playing with matched blitz decks is easy at home and lets you mix it up for cheap, and even dipping a toe into more competitive play, it’s tons cheaper than MtG or Pokemon for that side of things
FaB tons cheaper than Pokemon for competetive? No idea how you got to that conclusion, pokemon is extremely cheap to play
@@FloleLuYaR Most likely playing blitz and/or with proxies.
When with family,not paying 200-500 of your currency is valid.
In Pokémon, the best Deck costs 50€/$. How much does the best FaB cost? Thinking about getting into it if the general cost of the Game is not to high ✌️
@@thepear6684 Pokemon is the cheapest by far. Some staples in fab are 70 dollards, some other only 5-10, so fab is way cheaper than mtg at least. Pokemon though, is by far ! the cheapest to play competitively.
Woah jumpscared me with myself
Its your fault for making such a good video
I. Love. This. Game. My local community is amazing. Online can indeed be cringe, but my local community is super awesome.
In person FaB community is truly a thing of wonder. I knew the online space would go to shit eventually, but thank goodness everyone is awesome irl
Nice video! I thought I’d share my perspective a little since I think it may be a little different. I enjoyed FaB while I played it but sadly ended up quitting after not being able to upgrade my blitz deck into a classic constructed deck and getting bored of draft/upf.
While the balance of the game is good with complete decks, in my experience a complete competitive deck beats a deck with a few missing pieces (especially equipment) most of the time. For myself, I think that the game shares similar issues to a lot of fighting games: the general lack gimmick characters/decks and being completely steamrolled by more experienced players with the expensive equipment and staples.
In my 6 months of playing, I’ve seen other new people try the game in draft or UPF but almost no one came back more than twice. Everyone was extremely friendly and even happy to share the cards and I really hope that other stores are getting new players.
A few of my friends seem to enjoy this game more than me or became better friends with people at the store (likely both) and I’m very happy that they have found a card game that they like.
So I still encourage people to try it through blitz or even cc, especially now that there’s a lesser barrier of entry for it. Yet I sadly have to accept that FaB is not a game for me :(
I played my first couple games 2021 but I never played again, up until 2 months ago. I never knew how big the community is. These videos are great!
"Have a fighting chance at your locals" - never happened.
It's an amazing game, but i gotta say I'm still pretty frustrated after playing 2 years, i still lack a lot of the staples. I chose assassin, which was a huge financial mistake as the cards prices are just insane. It's pretty discouraging sometimes but well, bit by bit I upgrade my deck and still enjoy the game. I'm pretty sure that at some point I'll get tired of the constant new releases and power creep (hello Kayo and Zen). TCGs are awesome but man what a money trap they are 😅
Great content as always! Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
I'm all in. I sold a large chunk of my mtg to buy into flesh and blood. This feels like what commander should have been. Build a deck that has a true identity
I sold my MTG collection for $12k three years ago for this game. Still don't regret it (especially considering half those Magic cards are worthless now)
How could mtg card bé worry nothing now?
You can love Fab as much as you want, the game is Amazing, but financially speaking, mtg remains a safest place to put your money. maybe some of your mtg cards lost value, but it should be fair to say that most of Fab cards also lost A LOT of value the last 2 years.
But one more Time, game is Amazing, just not good to invest at all.@@Sloopdoop
Your videos became so professionally looking. U really have had a gigachad glowup. Great work on your videos!
Don't even need convincing, just here for the new sloop content.
Found you through Del from Peranine; I remember some of your old interviews and frog-head meme shorts, they were great but this video blew my mind. You now live in my head canon as the prof of FAB. I'm serious this video is really that level and quality. Keep up the good work.
Shouts out to Kevin MacLeod for the great music. Great choice!
Sloop, kudos on creating amazing videos! To the rest of you, if on the fence this game (better yet community) is amazing as well!
>if you just wanna play casually at an armory
jokes on you, our local armory is competive as heck
It is still worth playing. Very fun and interactive game, but my only gripe is that they won't release an official online client. People at my LGS slowly shifted to only playing Magic and it's been pretty disheartening to only have 1 or 2 people besides me playing. While Talishar is a nice option, it's presentation is not the greatest and it doesn't allow the content creators to make gameplay content around it, as even for players it can be confusing at times. An online client would also help us in smaller or non-existent communities to enjoy the game, but James White has said that they're vehemently against one, so my only hope is that they may reconsider the matter in the future.
I think LSS doing a good job for allowing a community doing a fanbase online client. Even not perfect it is a good opportunity for the programmer to improve their skill in the things they love. In another case Disney Lorcana shutdown a fanbased Online Client without providing an official one leaving pro player in the dark to prepare for their next big regional tournament even their content creator having trouble to make gameplay contents of new decktech. For you small community stay strong and show presence that faB is not a hollow Tcg.
What about talishar doesnt allow you to make content? People stream it on twitch and youtube, its used for video content on every platform? Can you elaborate?
@@ElykMuablhats It can be hard to follow sometimes because of how instant the cards are played and the active effects on the left are a bit unclear sometimes. You can make content with it and there are channels that make good content out of it(Lupinefiasco is one that comes to mind), but it just does not have the polish an official client has and we can't ask for that from the devs, as without them we wouldn't have an easy way to play it online
I legit got interested when I saw how cheap the packs were and now I hear everyone saying it's expensive. But that could be because I'm used to buying Collector booster boxes for mtg
If collector boosters were within your price range than the price probably wont be to big a factor for ya i reckon.
Great video. Better than the how I tried to approach this same topic.
Fantastic video as always. Hope to hang out in person again one day sooner than later😭. Tampa?
You've been slooping our doops for 3 years, dude (Whatever that means) .
Congrats! 😂
When I was younger the best time I had playing MTG was when I had a deck built with a strong theme (Simic). What I love about FAB is the decks built around a hero feel very flavorful.
Good video and nice job for the game !
Thanks Sloop, what a great video. I'm also really glad you highlighted the price of some MTG collector booster boxes; the definitive riposte to the tired argument that FAB is expensive.
I'd rather cards be expensive due to player demand than the company straight up scamming people with their product
As someone who's played Yu-Gi-Oh for a few years, Magic for a TON of years... Nothing has captured me like FaB. It's just great!
Great video Wes!
Thank you my friend
I WILL NOT STAND BY SILENTLY AND ALLOW YOU TO SLANDER THE HUNTSMAN.
Great video - slick editing. 🤘😎
Great video. Definitely an amazing game, and well worth checking out.
I just picked up 4 blitz decks. So far my son and I love how the game plays
Honestly this game is incredible to play with just the precon Blitz decks!
Cnc I’ve pulled a total of 9 copies in history pack vol 1 ,5 e strikes tons of equipment. But it took well over 20 boxes. I definitely am opting in for buy these singles y’all! It is definitely cheaper! Lol
Nice!
Sloopdoop doing gods work 👼
Do I like the game yes. Do I still enjoy playing it? Not really. Feeling burned out with mst, hh was great and I thought kayo was a mistake, now all 3 mst heroes are really unfun to play against, zen is a real problem. Will have to drop the game for some time and return next year because when mst released i stoped enjoying it.
Fab has been my number 1 ever since Monarch. Best tcg going around.
This is a piece of art, will be sharing with all the curious tcg players
Man, this is the best Flesh and Blood video ever made. Every point that makes Flesh and Blood such an amazing game you brought up. Keep up the amazing work, and showing the world again and again why it’s is STILL worth playing Flesh and Blood.
I love watching Flesh and Blood gameplay and was curious when this video popped up cuz it’s been very difficult to find an LGS in my area to play 😔
I think fab is the most unique tcg ever created
I dont see anyone playing it
Only if they change the name of the game to “Command and Conquer” lol but also, they need to make sure they support LL heroes, otherwise most older cards will become worthless and players are forced to play heroes they dont like as much or buying new sets.... which goes against the concept of why i started playing this “non rotating tcg” . I wanted to keep my heroes and update their decks over time to adapt and make different version, but now, if you invest too much in a hero, it feels bad once it goes LL..... or if it gets too many bans. and thats NOT fun. To helpfix this, An evolving suspended/restricted list is ideal.
there needs to be more heroes to allow more deck building. Look at how awesome the new star wars tcg is with its rapidly growing roster of leaders. Dragon Ball Masters is the best at pumping out thematic and complex heroes, and even the newer more simpler One Piece has released more leaders than FaB. Theres also alpha clash...
I really like Blitz and Commoner, both which need more tournament support. But UPF is not optimal, it needs better rules, and “politics” is not an excuse for a poor multiplayer game. Just my $0.02
P.s. good vid Sloop
I dont think they will ever change the LL system so fundamentally like that. I think they will lean on the LL format instead to give people the option of playing with their old decks. Their current approach is to make the cards that LL that arent tied to a specific hero become playable within a year of them being "out of rotation". You see this with the retrains of heroes and like in recent sets. In Rosetta they specifically chose make the lightning and earth cards playable again.
I think around 20 heroes a year is more than good enough which is around what is going to come out this year. I'd rather have well supported and designed heroes vs what One piece does where there's a ton of leader cards that get 0 competitive play.
Hard agree on upf rulings being a bit scuffed, hard disagree on needing more heroes.
One piece for example has ton of leaders... Of which only like 3 are played at high level tournaments.
Having a bit fewer heroes, but well balanced and supported is way more important.
I don't want new player to see a hero they like and hear it's "pretty unplayable" or a "worst version of another one".
I already had to warn a new player about arakni. Which honestly is the only hero who falls in this category of seeming he won't ever become better.
More doesn't always mean better
@@forfunsies5427 yes, but more can be better! with one piece, its a simpler game and thats why I play it only casually. more leaders lets players have more fun by reenacting their fborite anime battles. Dragon Ball Masters is superb since almost every leader is viable in winning a major tourney, especially with sideboard. meanwhile, the game is both complex and casually fun for thematic battles. Finally, how could more heroes be worse if they are all well-deaigned? and the game NEEDS more heroes if it's ever going to become casual / multpilayer
The devs and the community don't put enough love into UPF. Bums me out. I'll come back to the game if we ever see PvE
Great video. Still think this game deserves more attention what it gets, at least locally.
Tell me about it. My LGSs basically gave up on FaB. They stopped selling it, and they said they have no intention of doing it again.
This game has the dynamism of single player card games (slay the spire) with all the good stuff that comes from pvp and in person play, everything well balanced
The hand refreshing feels very much like Slay the Spire!
Guess who’s back ! 👀
Amazing
Tolarian community college meets josh strife hayes 😅
I'm still waiting for LSS to make my Benji viable
Have you played _VTES yet ?? =P
Yugioh players are some of the most toxic people I ever met. Seattle actually shut down selling yugioh in like 90% of local stores because of the toxic behaviors of people. It’s all magic, Pokémon and Flesh and blood now here
I need to know where you get those jackets please.
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@@Sloopdoop Thanks lad :)
Who up rn slooping their doop
No locals within an hour from my house, all cancelled, so unfortunately I play on talishar only
I like FAB because you feel like your playing a single character, not some min-maxed meds of random cards. I would never play it officially though since I am intensely against the idea of any sort of "living legends" like mechanic that could essentially phase out entire deck builds. If you like a character, you should be able to play that character, period.
Huh? It's not like the cards disappear. They move to their own format.
The big question for me is: does it cost upwards of 100+ dollars to put together a competent deck? card affordability is a big hurdle for players like me getting into a new card game
@@fencingfireferret1188 you can purchase an Armory deck for $40-50 and they are quite good. There's also Commoner which is growing in popularity where decks are like $15. But for a fully tuned CC deck, you're looking at $400 on the low end
@@Sloopdoop ugh that's hella discouraging ngl.
@@fencingfireferret1188 👍
UNGA BUNGA SQUAAAAAD!!!!! 🧌🧌🧌
Yes it is. However as someone who loves the game I have zero scene around me. This game needs to change its philosophy to look into an official online client. It’s a brilliant game.
I get your point but the game is literally about getting people together in the Flesh and Blood for gaming...
@@stigmurder99 100% just sucks it won’t be accessible more a large majority
@robertviscomi8199 the majority of people suck anyways it'll be okay just find some friends and teach them 😆
@@stigmurder99 I don’t disagree lol, but time is a factor for me as I have a few kids and I’m busy with them. Nearest place that plays is an hour from me and I can’t just go on a whim. Maybe one day!
i am not the biggest fan of the game itself but the community really is amazing plus it dosnt release 500 new expansions every month so its alot more wallet friendly to play
Reported this video for the murder at 18:20.
I haven't gone back to that timestamp but I'm willing to bet it was the YGO shower roast
@@Sloopdoopit was the FAB's box Pricing vs Collectors Boosters' bit.
Looks like myst change the powering down, and made a power up.
truth nukes start at 18:19
20:15 - buying a 100$ display and it turning out to be a complete dud of 6 majestics that go for pennies is pretty anticonsumer to me tbh. Why do legendaries have to be once per case. It's quite stupid.
That also raises an issue with lose boxs if it's one legendary per case then someone can just sell the boxs that don't have a legendary in it.
I don't think they are once per case, I once got 2 from one Heavy Hitters booster display. It may be that at least one is guaranteed.
It's been pretty clear just buying one display is not gonna be worth it for fab. Either buy at least a case or just get singles. 1 rainbow foil legendary per box I would like but i dont know how that would affect the secondary market
freakin well made sir !
Stream it
To build a enigma only missing cards from mist i needed to spend 400$ - and that is rly too much. I would prefer more use of old cards than pushing new ones.
Thats the point! FaB is a rotating game just like MtG (Standard/Modern)
@@herrjohnny6496 the main core was it is NOT rotating game. The heroes should rotate but not other cards. We should get new heroes that use those old cards not totaly new cards that make older cards a trash.
"Quit Magic and never looked back."
It feels like you are still looking back, just with venom instead of fondness.
I enjoy watching your videos to learn more about FaB, but each one seems to have several Jabs at Magic. Even this one mentioned multiple times about one of magics bad products. And then the comparison you made felt kindof disingenuous. Is it overcosted? Absolutely, its a produxt i wouldnt buy. But its price is jacked up due to being alt arts and foils. Your paying extreme prices for fancy cardboard not to access certain cards(its still an eggregious price though).
As someone who still plays magic(and several other tcg) despite some gripes about the company, it gets a little annoying when it comes accross that i should play FaB because magic sucks. I cant really get into the mindset of liking something becasue something else was worse.
Especially since FaB is so insanely different from how most other TCG play. It combines the "any card is mana" aspect of Lorcana with the speed of Yugioh. And then on top of that GREATLY mitigates the card advantage fights other tcg have by giving player their full hand back every turn. Id like it better if there was more focus on what FaB does differently and why it is good, instead of looking at what they do the same and pointing out how others are worse.
Idk, that was kindof a rant. I do love your videos. I just keep running into MTG hate and it annoyd me a little. I havent watched all of your videos either, so maybe ive just been unlucky and only seen the ones that have those jabs.
They killed casual and armories (Elo instead of EXP, prizes are lackluster, playmats/promos are worthless), its all about competitive play. Which makes it not worth playing. Better to just judge events than to play at this point.
I would not travel either to FAB tournament but those guys who top8-wins those events are true gamers and must be respected unlike some other game winners are just 'ok'. The game is for you if you like challenge.
Yea Noone plays outside of the bigger tournaments in my area so it's effectively dead for growth
@@cyanidecologne9018 Even bringing all your stuff needed can ask some logistics in this game and understandable this time consuming hobby should be 'rewarding' sometimes meaning high price support or interesting games (equally skilled players, good environment etc)
11:35 say no more. flesh and blood is NOT worth getting into
As a new player, not only are the cards over priced, I could not find any of them even if I was going to pay for them. Most of what you argued sounds like sunken cost.
Huh
Lol
As a new player, exactly how do you determine what's overpriced?
@@jackhingos7741 By comparing to how many very nice meals it can get me personally. If a piece of cardboard costs more than three trips out to a sit in restaurant than it is overproced in my book
Starter decks also need around $500 worth of upgrades to be competitive.
The prizes in their major tournaments being those stupid mystery envelopes is just crap. All that time & hard work to win and get an assured Cold Foil... just to pull a common. 🤣
Try wixoss it's way more balanced or yugioh rush duel,also universus is the exact same
Ard++
I have always found card games to be interesting, but I cannot stomach spending more than $60 for a properly competitive deck ,which is impossible in basically every TCG. Take all the $60 cards and print them into the ground or let me compete with proxies. I am happy for there to be ultra rare cards that are chase collectables, but they either need to be alternative art treatments of a cheaper and more commonly available card or unplayable trash.
if you are happy because you payed $274 for a single card you are gaslighting yourself. it almost certainly didnt cost more than 50cents to manufacture you got scammed.
As long as they are selling (they are), they won't change this philosophy
@@GuilhermeDiGiorgi You aint wrong and neither is he
Actually I'm very happy If I pay $274 for a card, play with it for a while then sell it later for $300.
@@Steamedhams578maybe you are but not all of us can waste that much money to buy in.
As I said I am happy for $274 cards to exist, I just want them to be rare alternative art treatments or intentionally made unplayable trash.
You can buy the card hold it for a while and then sell it for $300. But I will buy the version that is functionally identical but only costs 50 cents.
@@Steamedhams578 And how often are you selling the cards you buy for a profit? Not how many could you maybe, but how much have you made selling compar3ed to what you paid?
no
Bruh...
Saying that Grand Archive is almost the same as Magic is insane.
It definitely scratches a similar itch but at least to me it feels vastly different.
That said, ever since Grand Archive was first released I wished that it had the card frames and art direction of Flesh and Blood. I love manga and anime but the frame design is very basic and the art mostly looks like it was made for horny 15 year olds.
As for Flesh and Blood - I want to get into that game precisely because visually the cards look so cool but I find the 1 on 1 fighting so boring as a concept (I mean just a single character against another single character) and just can't. I know about this game since 2020 but just can't get into it.
i think people who say FaB is expensive are just parroting what they've heard other people say, FaB hands down is the cheapest TCG ive ever played. The only expensive cards are cards like spring tunic, but even those cards arent even that bad in comparison to other games.
I’d say nah, game is dying. Damn riptide
Not worth time invested and very little to no player base irl.
Usually, I set x1.5 for speed, but this video was impossible to watch for a non native speaker, with music too loud and going too fast on topics. Please go slower, it’s easy to accelerate a video, but slowing it down is not a good experience 🙏🏻😇 Thx in advance
I'll be honest, I did try to do this one slower. I am a VERY fast talker naturally, and I have trouble slowing down. I think I did well at the beginning but I noticed I sped up as the recording went on
Informative, but horribly bias video!
The “FaB is expensive” arguement is very outdated at this point. They have reprint Tunic and other staples multiple times at this point and prices are very reasonable at this point. MTG is the overpriced game. They literally release a new set almost monthly now with little products like Secret Lair in between. They also have separate tiers of product like Play and Collector boosters. It’s insane. FaB has a one booster box model and only has releases every few months. It’s very well paced.
I think MTG is cheaper.. It's easier to find budged decks and player groups that doesn't play tier 1 decks.. FAB is not really casual friendly game.
Cnc is still varry expensive tho
@@wigiti Why are you comparing competitive FAB to casual MTG. Competitive MTG is just as expensive as FAB.
@@Steamedhams578 I didn't compare those two.. I said it's easier to find budged MTG games, which is true. Currently if you are not into competitive play then FAB is not the right game for you. MTG has more budged options! Specially if you are casual gamer
Why is all titles like this these days, kind of annoying clickbait for something that is not dying at all...
Please stop or change your titles❤
@@Walinch the title is answering a question people who haven't played the game might have. It's not even remotely clickbait
The game is too difficult to learn
The game is very difficult to learn, but it's deep too. There is a certain philosophy a new player has to develop in order to get over the "hump" of learning it. Can be frustrating at times, but the depth of the game is rewarding. In the end, I think it is worth it.
You must start somewhere and go from there, with time and play you will get the mechanics
no. Next.
It was never worth it in the first place.
“We know how to shower 🧼!”
Amen-
Here’s looking at you too 40k players lol
Another Banger Brother Sloop! Always show new players your VODs and definitely appreciate the work you put in. Thanks for all ya do Bro!
Woah jumpscared me with myself
Play Enigma at Nats and I'll find a way to put you in another video