My crowning achievement was getting invited to a Braves scouting camp (Canada, they round up prospects for a makeshift combine style event). I could only throw 84 and didn’t get much attention. I was only 1 of 3 position players, everyone was a pitcher or catcher. It’s amazing how good I thought I was but I was sooo far behind actual elite players, lol.
Thanks this was really helpful. My son is a freshman in high school and he wants to set some goals, and knowing D1 velocity is one of the good measurements. I like how much you talked about the other pieces needing to fit as well though. The fastball looks great right now but its his change-up that's getting the outs.
It’s hard to throw upper 80’s and low 90’s in high school. Very few players do it. Most will end up injured from attempting too. I saw so many D1 guys in highschool throw upper 80’s and they ended up blowing their arms out by the time they graduated high school. They were never the same… by the way… MIAMI COMMITS, UGA COMMITS AND GT COMMITS.
minimum 80 mph for MLB position players. min 90 mph for pitchers. done. p.s. as for the microphone, that's like some kind of 'equalizer issue', and 'closeness to the mouth' (square of the distance affects volume)...of course, experimenting with a new microphone might work too. or, just talking louder - which isn't so easy; because it's a habit - and, you want comfort.
My son went to UT camp throwing 94 and their rapsodo machine said he was throwing 81. He is a uncommitted senior. He was at 89 as a junior. No doubt by the time the season starts he will be at 96. He turns 18 in February. Idk why UT is playing games.
Mr. Antonelli: Everyone has read about how Walter Johnson had superhuman/extraterrestrial/ung-dly velocity. Yet it is also my understanding that he was clocked at about 84 mph. Is the foregoing true? If so, what is up with this?
When Walter johnson played nobody threw hard at all. Also he was a "power pitcher" but I believe he averaged around 5-6k/9. Hes just a product of the time he played in. Nobody threw hard or struck a lot of people out but he was the best
I have problems with velocity. I’m 13 and throw lower 50s and I’m a catcher. I feel like it’s really holding me back. I’m 5’2 and 105 pounds. Is that a normal speed for my height and weight and if I gain muscle and get taller will it become average?
Don’t worry man, you’ll get there with physical maturity. I’m 14 and I throw high 60-low 70 which is sadly a good improvement from last year. I grew from 5’2-5’5 and gained 10 mph and still going. Long toss and lifting is the way to go...
Don’t worry velocity doesn’t really matter until you’re 15 because some kids develop earlier than others, you’ll be fine you will catch a growth spurt and your velocity will go up, I’m 13 throwing low to mid 60’s but I didn’t necessarily peak early I just got a growth spurt earlier than you but you’ll be fine
Question for you. How much does hight matter as a pitcher. I'll be lucky if my son gets 5'7". I hope he can develop good accuracy to look over his hight.
Height matters but it is not the end all be all. If he can command all of his pitches he will be fine. Commanding all pitches so you can throw them in any count, getting comfortable pitch grips, and working on hiding the ball, velocity will come with time. Marcus stroman is 5ft8 big league pitcher. And if your kid can hit watch nick Madrigal he is like 5ft 7 Madrigal has the craziest hit tool I have seen in years. He is a legit 80 on the hit scale and never strikes out.
@@numberoneballer2075 I agree, we just throw for fun for now. Not tell has late 6 to 7 to train to throw bettet. Beginning baseball game thus December for his age group 5 to 7.
Hey I understand you’re worry I’m 5’8 myself and I only throw 70 from the left side as a junior. But never stop working it will pay off in the end. Once he goes to college they’ll get him in the weight room and doing special exercises and programs to work on. There will be a difference. Not all mlb players are D1 guys. My thing is for guys like us to take the maddux approach. Movement over velocity, control over velocity. Just keep working hard.
What about short pitchers that are struggling. Me myself I’m a 5’8 left handed pitcher that throws 70. What are things that I can do besides long toss and lifting.
Work on your mobility, also look at your throwing mechanics and try and see if you're inefficient in some places. Otherwise just eat, sleep and keep doing what you're doing and you'll get there if you keep working.
Take steroids or peds! A lot of college baseball players & MLB players take them. Hgh, steroids winstrol, etc…. You probably won’t throw much harder than high 70’s low 80’s naturally.
How many guys that are good are "very old for their grade" during the early high school years? I suspect a good chunk are. Sucks for your kid that is smart and grade accelerated/super young for his grade and has to compete against the kids that have "reclassified"/been held back.
Ya it’s tough lol, I’m only 5’7 as a ‘23 (I throw pretty well with my longest throw being near 300 (if you need proof just check the vid on my channel) but some of the reclassified kids are throwing like 90 as sophomores but there 17 years old so it’s tough
I hate the idea of kids being held back just to attempt to be an athlete who can over power younger players. Like if you aren't good enough you'll be found out in due time
@@adamracine Yea, my son will just turn 15 at the start of his sophomore year. That's OK, he'll have a better chance to get a front office job than most of the "reclassified kids" getting a chance in the majors, LOL.
Juco is a good option if u need more time to develop. I am a reclass but it’s because I had a lot of surgeries when I was in Kindergarten and missed too much school. But I feel for the younger kids like there’s 15 yr old juniors competing with me a 17 yr old junior
It’s been a dream of mine to play D1 baseball and I feel like by the time I’m old enough for college ball I could make it. Lol before i thought it was minimum 90 to get into D1
When I played high school all our pitchers through over 90 our hardest thrower threw 96, I played 2nd base as a freshman took a seniors starting position all the seniors gave me the nickname Hoover cause u couldn’t hit anything buy me. Had 0 errors my senior year. We beat #1 ranked team and we were just a single a school but we had the best coach ever he is in the high school coaches hall of fame in KY his name is Rodger Morris, he played a little pro ball for the Angela before getting drafted to the army he told my brother I was the best 2nd baseman he ever seen play. My senior year I hit 530 batting average with 26 homers and I can’t remember how many rbi but it was quite a few. And u know we never had a scout come to our games guess that’s what happens when u play in the Appalachian Mtns in southeast KY. Look up Cumberland high school it’s closed down now they opened a 3a shoool the Harlan county blackbears no but boy I sure miss my days on the field.
@@aidenkomar6124 look no up the name roger Morris baseball, he was in dual red into the Kentucky baseball hall of fame in 2013. Look at his record coaching Cumberland high school we’re I played.
@@numberoneballer2075 throwing way too many breaking balls, & trying to throw 90 mph every pitch… I’ve seen good players not even make it past high school because of it.
@@numberoneballer2075 damn… I’m sorry to hear that. I’ve seen it happen to a lot of players. I played college baseball and travel baseball for 18 years.
Ok so I have a couple questions, I’m a 2024 and I’m touching 83 at off-season workouts but to me I don’t have much of a chance at the d1 schools because of my height I’m only 5’6 and I feel like that will hold me back
Very informative, thanks! Just for my own understanding: when you refer to a pitcher as being protectable what does that entail (tall, lean, long arms, room to grow physically?). I also noticed a trend with the RHP above the velocity: size. Many of those mentioned were 6’1” or above. Thanks again for the great video!
@@jackjohnson1048 thanks for that. That is what i assumed just wanting to see if there are specific qualities or characteristics that make a player project able versus one that is considered more of a finished product.
I watched the entire video hoping you would get to the player who went to WPI (my Alma Mater) only to find out he is a position player. Still not disappointed though. Also, you should put the players who go on to be Captains of their college teams at the top of the list. That is more impressive to me.
Justin Carden probably right on the edge so would need to see you pitch. Being 6’4 and 160 helps. Would really depend on how good your off speed is and how good your command is
Its not really abt velocity everyone throws hard now days. But the movement and the placement is where youre gonna cash your checks. If you have movement on your 2seam cutter sinker whichever combo of those you throw and you can spot them youre in business.
It’s really all about velocity if you want to pitch in college… let alone MLB! When’s the last time you saw a pitcher on tv throwing 82 mph fastballs???? Never
In 2040, 103 MPH
I’m sure 97-98 will be normal by then
Sure. Throw 105 for 2 years before your arm goes out
78 from the left side.
yessir, they would rather take in some unathletic lanky lefty who throws 78 than some righty who pumps 85-88
@@boneshow00 that’s a bit exaggerated but yeah
@@stuffandthingyoutube they would probably take a righty throwing 88 mph than lefty throwing 78.
I am a freshman throwing in the low 80s. Is that good?
Yes! I played college baseball too. You have good arm strength…. But keep working to improve. Long toss, weight lifting, run after throwing.
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Love to see it man you are killing it with antonelli baseball, social media. You coached, made the show. Incredible.
It sounds like you are trying to be quiet because someone is sleeping. AT 2020 USB mic is excellent at the price. Blue Yeti is popular also.
My crowning achievement was getting invited to a Braves scouting camp (Canada, they round up prospects for a makeshift combine style event). I could only throw 84 and didn’t get much attention. I was only 1 of 3 position players, everyone was a pitcher or catcher. It’s amazing how good I thought I was but I was sooo far behind actual elite players, lol.
84 mph is good…. If you took steroids like a lot of the mlb guys you would be throwing in the 90’s. Take hgh and you will throw significantly harder.
I’ve heard minor league pitchers throw threw mid 80’s and then took steroids… and threw 95 mph +
Thanks this was really helpful. My son is a freshman in high school and he wants to set some goals, and knowing D1 velocity is one of the good measurements. I like how much you talked about the other pieces needing to fit as well though. The fastball looks great right now but its his change-up that's getting the outs.
It’s hard to throw upper 80’s and low 90’s in high school. Very few players do it. Most will end up injured from attempting too. I saw so many D1 guys in highschool throw upper 80’s and they ended up blowing their arms out by the time they graduated high school. They were never the same… by the way… MIAMI COMMITS, UGA COMMITS AND GT COMMITS.
85 southpaw 2023 trying to get out there any suggestions?
steroids... come back throwing mid 90's and you'll be a first rounder lol
Can you do one of these for position players?
minimum 80 mph for MLB position players. min 90 mph for pitchers. done.
p.s. as for the microphone, that's like some kind of 'equalizer issue', and 'closeness to the mouth' (square of the distance affects volume)...of course, experimenting with a new microphone might work too. or, just talking louder - which isn't so easy; because it's a habit - and, you want comfort.
80 mph is a joke….. more like 87-90 mph minimum for MLB. (Position players)
Minimum 80 mph for college baseball (position players)
My son went to UT camp throwing 94 and their rapsodo machine said he was throwing 81. He is a uncommitted senior. He was at 89 as a junior. No doubt by the time the season starts he will be at 96. He turns 18 in February. Idk why UT is playing games.
Can you do one of these for position player statistics
Hit over .350 in high school, throw 85 mph plus, run a 6.8 60, play good defense. Etc….
Good stuff again, Matt‼️👌🏼
Mr. Antonelli:
Everyone has read about how Walter Johnson had superhuman/extraterrestrial/ung-dly velocity. Yet it is also my understanding that he was clocked at about 84 mph.
Is the foregoing true? If so, what is up with this?
When Walter johnson played nobody threw hard at all. Also he was a "power pitcher" but I believe he averaged around 5-6k/9. Hes just a product of the time he played in. Nobody threw hard or struck a lot of people out but he was the best
mic sounds great man clear crisp and good quality
second dude is 2022 and almost 19
So 85-88 to a D1 school
And 83-85 to a D2 school
?
Pretty much yes!
I have problems with velocity. I’m 13 and throw lower 50s and I’m a catcher. I feel like it’s really holding me back. I’m 5’2 and 105 pounds. Is that a normal speed for my height and weight and if I gain muscle and get taller will it become average?
Don’t worry man, you’ll get there with physical maturity. I’m 14 and I throw high 60-low 70 which is sadly a good improvement from last year. I grew from 5’2-5’5 and gained 10 mph and still going. Long toss and lifting is the way to go...
Anakin Skywalker I'm 15 5'9 and like 135 pounds and throw like 63
Don’t worry velocity doesn’t really matter until you’re 15 because some kids develop earlier than others, you’ll be fine you will catch a growth spurt and your velocity will go up, I’m 13 throwing low to mid 60’s but I didn’t necessarily peak early I just got a growth spurt earlier than you but you’ll be fine
@@josephmaumalo1361 How hard you throwing now Joseph I am in the same boat as you
@@tommysheets8381 I don't know dude, I stopped playing, I guess like 70
I've also seen teams look at how hard position players throw, can you touch on that a little bit.
Upper 80’s- low 90’s for position players. 85 mph for first basemen
Question for you. How much does hight matter as a pitcher. I'll be lucky if my son gets 5'7". I hope he can develop good accuracy to look over his hight.
Height matters but it is not the end all be all. If he can command all of his pitches he will be fine. Commanding all pitches so you can throw them in any count, getting comfortable pitch grips, and working on hiding the ball, velocity will come with time. Marcus stroman is 5ft8 big league pitcher. And if your kid can hit watch nick Madrigal he is like 5ft 7 Madrigal has the craziest hit tool I have seen in years. He is a legit 80 on the hit scale and never strikes out.
@@blankname6629 ty. I will look it up. He loves to throw and hitting is commimg along. Hes 5. So some time to go. 😆
@@shawnmsattler2116 just make sure he throws to where it is healthy. It doesn't matter how hard you throw If it hurts.
@@numberoneballer2075 I agree, we just throw for fun for now. Not tell has late 6 to 7 to train to throw bettet. Beginning baseball game thus December for his age group 5 to 7.
Hey I understand you’re worry I’m 5’8 myself and I only throw 70 from the left side as a junior. But never stop working it will pay off in the end. Once he goes to college they’ll get him in the weight room and doing special exercises and programs to work on. There will be a difference. Not all mlb players are D1 guys. My thing is for guys like us to take the maddux approach. Movement over velocity, control over velocity. Just keep working hard.
What about short pitchers that are struggling. Me myself I’m a 5’8 left handed pitcher that throws 70. What are things that I can do besides long toss and lifting.
I’m a junior aswell
Work on your mobility, also look at your throwing mechanics and try and see if you're inefficient in some places. Otherwise just eat, sleep and keep doing what you're doing and you'll get there if you keep working.
Take steroids or peds! A lot of college baseball players & MLB players take them. Hgh, steroids winstrol, etc…. You probably won’t throw much harder than high 70’s low 80’s naturally.
How many guys that are good are "very old for their grade" during the early high school years? I suspect a good chunk are. Sucks for your kid that is smart and grade accelerated/super young for his grade and has to compete against the kids that have "reclassified"/been held back.
Ya it’s tough lol, I’m only 5’7 as a ‘23 (I throw pretty well with my longest throw being near 300 (if you need proof just check the vid on my channel) but some of the reclassified kids are throwing like 90 as sophomores but there 17 years old so it’s tough
I hate the idea of kids being held back just to attempt to be an athlete who can over power younger players. Like if you aren't good enough you'll be found out in due time
@@adamracine Yea, my son will just turn 15 at the start of his sophomore year. That's OK, he'll have a better chance to get a front office job than most of the "reclassified kids" getting a chance in the majors, LOL.
Heavygen ya that’s true spending 2 extra years in high school to develop your fastball isn’t gonna look great on your record
Juco is a good option if u need more time to develop. I am a reclass but it’s because I had a lot of surgeries when I was in Kindergarten and missed too much school. But I feel for the younger kids like there’s 15 yr old juniors competing with me a 17 yr old junior
Dont like the sound. Its like you are whispering or something
My friends brother got recruited to a D2 school and he threw 85
85 mph is good! Especially if they are a lefty. I’ve seen lefty pitchers throw low to mid 80’s and go D1!
This particular pitcher signed with Airforce Academy.
It’s been a dream of mine to play D1 baseball and I feel like by the time I’m old enough for college ball I could make it. Lol before i thought it was minimum 90 to get into D1
Make a part 2
When I played high school all our pitchers through over 90 our hardest thrower threw 96, I played 2nd base as a freshman took a seniors starting position all the seniors gave me the nickname Hoover cause u couldn’t hit anything buy me. Had 0 errors my senior year. We beat #1 ranked team and we were just a single a school but we had the best coach ever he is in the high school coaches hall of fame in KY his name is Rodger Morris, he played a little pro ball for the Angela before getting drafted to the army he told my brother I was the best 2nd baseman he ever seen play. My senior year I hit 530 batting average with 26 homers and I can’t remember how many rbi but it was quite a few. And u know we never had a scout come to our games guess that’s what happens when u play in the Appalachian Mtns in southeast KY. Look up Cumberland high school it’s closed down now they opened a 3a shoool the Harlan county blackbears no but boy I sure miss my days on the field.
Ok buddy
@@aidenkomar6124 look no up the name roger Morris baseball, he was in dual red into the Kentucky baseball hall of fame in 2013. Look at his record coaching Cumberland high school we’re I played.
I bet some young pitches damage their arm while trying to impress scouts.
For sure. Especially since some get over pitched as well in high school and travel. They hurt themselves.
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@@numberoneballer2075 throwing way too many breaking balls, & trying to throw 90 mph every pitch… I’ve seen good players not even make it past high school because of it.
@@jackwilliams7738 I didn't even make it to highschool. Shoulder and elbow got fried from just throwing too much with not the best mechanics
@@numberoneballer2075 damn… I’m sorry to hear that. I’ve seen it happen to a lot of players. I played college baseball and travel baseball for 18 years.
Ok so I have a couple questions, I’m a 2024 and I’m touching 83 at off-season workouts but to me I don’t have much of a chance at the d1 schools because of my height I’m only 5’6 and I feel like that will hold me back
@Brandon Hutchings thanks bro
@@iicy-tanninja4435 how you doing now?
Can you do one on outfield velos and exit velos?
87-90 mph for d1 outfield. 90+ for exit velos
Sending your guys to the A-10! A great conference to play in. They look like they are set up for college success
Very informative, thanks! Just for my own understanding: when you refer to a pitcher as being protectable what does that entail (tall, lean, long arms, room to grow physically?). I also noticed a trend with the RHP above the velocity: size. Many of those mentioned were 6’1” or above. Thanks again for the great video!
I believe he’s referring to their overall talent and where and how that will develop at the next level
@@jackjohnson1048 thanks for that. That is what i assumed just wanting to see if there are specific qualities or characteristics that make a player project able versus one that is considered more of a finished product.
What type of players are you looking for on your teams.
I watched the entire video hoping you would get to the player who went to WPI (my Alma Mater) only to find out he is a position player. Still not disappointed though. Also, you should put the players who go on to be Captains of their college teams at the top of the list. That is more impressive to me.
Mic is good. Maybe a little quiet though
Laura must be having a nap.
Hey, Matt, how's your boy Max going over at the Yankees? He'd be doing it tough this year, Imagine.
You talked about a big strong Lefty being 6'2" my son is 6'3". 220 Lefty but only throws mid 60s . But he's only 12 years old .
That’s pretty good
He will resemble Andre The Giant when he is fully grown.
@@willshad he probably will because that was a little over a year ago he just turned 14 last week . He is now 6'7" 260 throwing upper 70s
Do you think 83-86 T88 above average slider at 6’4 160 as a junior D1 stuff or more of D2 D3 stuff?
Justin Carden probably right on the edge so would need to see you pitch. Being 6’4 and 160 helps. Would really depend on how good your off speed is and how good your command is
As a lefty pitcher, D1 for sure! Might be good to go juco and then D1.
mic makes you sound sedated...
Its not really abt velocity everyone throws hard now days. But the movement and the placement is where youre gonna cash your checks. If you have movement on your 2seam cutter sinker whichever combo of those you throw and you can spot them youre in business.
It’s really all about velocity if you want to pitch in college… let alone MLB! When’s the last time you saw a pitcher on tv throwing 82 mph fastballs???? Never