I Don't Want You Flying The Drone Over The Fence 😮🎥🛸❌
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Today we take a look at Prax Lindsey Oil Refinery, Eastfield Rd, Immingham DN40 3LW.
We film the 3 Flares and the huge plant from one of the smaller gates.
We are approached by 2 members of staff, one of which voiced concerns about a spark being possible just like a mobile phone.
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DJ, I can tell you something that I learned some years ago from a senior fire officer, about mobile phones and petrol forecourts. The risk is non existent. Using on them on a forecourt is discouraged for one simple reason, and it's nothing to do with fire or explosive risk. It is due to the possibility in the circuitry of the pumps to display erronous figures for fuel drawn
You’re correct. There is no cause of fire on a petrol station forecourt, caused by a mobile phone. There have been instances of people smoking when dispensing Petrol, and one where it’s “suspected” a static spark from clothing might have been responsible, but it couldn’t be fully investigated, so wasn’t conclusive.
If there was a sufficiently large enough gas leak to become a spark ignition risk, the whole site would be closed off. Alarms would be sounding and people leaving the area. The security man was talking bollocks! Trying the “Bullshit Baffles Brains” method! 😂😂
More disinformation. Mobile phones are, first and foremost, a distraction. That's the issue. Mobile phone interference is a non-issue at petrol stations because, A: it's not the right kind of interference to alter displays or impact the electronics, and B: the pumps use wired fuel management systems with centralised control (i.e. there's a computer not at the pump controlling everything, and doing it hard-wired). This reminds me of the BS about airplane mode. It minimises interference on the comms (specifically audio comms) and has nothing to do with any of the aircrafts other systems.
Mythbusters proved it was false. That's good enough for me.👍
@@robertwright7937that was a good series, dave should buy the rights to show it
Congratulations on debunking one myth just to propagate another.
BS. If it is so dangerous over there, there would be a flight restriction !
😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah for sure.
@@fluppi123It actually can fact
@@AntagonizinGeordiehaha sure, show me evidence
@@learntooilpaint show me evidence it can’t you sim wit not sure you grasp the law of physics crawl out of Nigel’s arsehole then have a relevant conversation
@@learntooilpaint Can show you plenty of evidence of Ecigs catching fire in peoples pockets, Dont see why a drones battery cant. You are probably one of the people that talk shit about Tesla for catching fire aswell.
Funny how people don’t want to get into things just when you are making a perfectly valid point 😂
Tbf auditors do this too…
Then: what you doin?
Auditors: it’s private, I don’t wanna get into it
😂😂
Flames everywhere but your drone might cause a spark 😂😂😂
If that plant is in danger of a drone flying over, it needs to be closed immediately.
Would also apply to cars driving past the site too.
Rubbish.
@@stwb579 What is?
😂😂😂
@@lylecoglianese1645It's obvious that the reply in question was directed at robertwright's comment that the plant "needs to be closed immediately", as was MikeEves' reply.
I agree that it was a "silly" reply, because no reason was given for the comment being "rubbish", but it certainly wasn't "directed at no-one or nothing in particular".
I work in the oil industry and health and safety is REALLY top priority. What I think their concern is that if your drone decides to fall from the sky, the impact could create a spark and POTENTIALLY in worst case scenario cause something to ignite. Basically they don't want to take that 0.001% chance of something going wrong. They were pretty cool about it tbf, compared to other businesses where this problem is non existent lol
Exactly, they were pretty cool and very polite about it. Meanwhille DJ continues with his sarcastic, pretentious snarky comments cos he knows best.
@@CaptainShonkothey were polite and cool but also spouted a load of stuff he couldn’t substantiate. He just asked for examples which the guy couldn’t give. And he was respectful of their rules / advice….he just challenged them 🤷🏼
The health and safety department has to justify their existence by making up stupid rules. A friend of mine has a lucrative job of contracting to oil and gas companies. He is a safety engineer and goes through all the safety documents and deletes all the stupid ones (most of them). If the companies don't do this then all the stupid safety rules just clog up their operations. It is also bad for safety as people have to ignore all the stupid rules to get anything done, and also tend to ignore the important ones. He was telling me about one of his jobs recently. The company had over 10,000 separate safety forms, most were useless.
@robertfletcher11 That is true. At my workplace, we also ignore some of the safety rules so we can get a job done. But to be fair, that is done in situations where if we don't, there could be a more serious safety risk. Its situational
@@stevetrippier He doesn't need to give examples. Besides, the conversation got side tracked from drones to phones. A drone has far more potential to cause a spark than a phone. DJ ran the risk of the site being evacuated because of his insistence of flying a drone over, despite being advised it was not safe to do so
I wonder how many times a security guard has to say something stupid before they think people will believe them. 😂
If you’ve been to Tenerife he’s been to Elevenerife 🤦♂️
12:27 If they went to every safety measure available. They'd have officially categorised it, as a NO FLY ZONE.
You can't spark there, mate.
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He just drove on site with spark plugs and distributor under the bonnet, silly man.
Don't really matter, if it's dangerous they should have applied for a flight restriction or less skilled pilots could and probably will fly over without them knowing.
Brilliant comment.
@@DavidConway-zc7vf
In a diesel l200???
What an idiot
12:00 Don't cross the fence line because they take every single precaution. But they don't take any precaution if any gas spreads past the fence line off their site. The logic of his argument breaks down very quickly.
When the conversation gets tough, the security drive off😂😂
Cant use a drone incase it causes a spark, yet they have massive towers with flames coming out, which I think is a much higher risk than a drone.
The fire is how far up in the air?, The rest of the site is millions of gas pipes.
@@VengeanceCore and gas travels with the wind, there is a higher risk of a open flame causing a fire with gas than a drone.
@@MadhouseGaming It also disperses with the wind.
@@VengeanceCore Burns
If your drone caused a catastrophic explosion from a spark 50\100m m up in the air then this refinery is not being run properly thats for sure,obviously there are no 5 November’s celebrations in a 10 mile wide by 1 mile high radius from the refinery ,
I'm surprised the whole refinery doesn't explode when they press the transmit buttons on their PMR446 walkie-talkies!
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They are atex rated. It's absolutely nothing to do with the transmission and more to do with the Arial connection and outer body of the unit bring intrinsically safe
@@Marri-Tech someone said it’s related to dropping things and a spark forming.
Yes, any spark potential so that in the case of phones in a petrol station is if you drop your metal body iphone into a petrol puddle or if the gas off system has failed the spark could cause an issue regardless of its likeliness @@DJAUDITS
Fairly sure if you look closely there is someone welding, bottom left at the start of the drone flight. Hope those sparks are atax approved.
"From above"
I 😂 every time you say that, DJ.
Top man, keep up the good stuff 👏
The guy in the silver pick up truck seemed obsessed with spark prevention - but left his van running the whole time.
Oh dear.
@@Charlie1776_every battery can be dangerous, his vehicle battery can start a fire, a AA battery can start a fire and be dangerous. Guess we got to stop using them all.
@@slipalongtobascus99 Thats a stupid argument. We don't live in a world where there's a constant threat of a major gas leak wherever you are. Why do you think you are told not to turn on or off any electrical appliance when you smell gas in your home?
IT HAS A DIESEL ENGINE SO LESS RISK, HENCE FIRE ENGINES HAVING DIESEL ENGINES LESS RISK OF CAUSING ISSUES WITH SPARKS
@@darrylrichardson7940 Are all of the cars on the tarmac in the parking lot diesel, I think not so your argument is void.
The area used to be farmland and Total/Fina opened the Lindsey Oil Refinery in 1968; Prax purchased the refinery 2020-21. To the south of the railroads is the Phillips 66 Humber Refinery. Been a few months since other auditors visited Prax. Great drone views DJ and demonstrating responsible flying in a hazardous area.⭐⭐⭐👍
Respect to Neil and how he expressed concerns. An issue for drones is potential damage from hot moist vapors from chimneys or crashing in a tank. Responsible drone pilots like DJ consider the surroundings and don't fly where the drone could be damaged.
Most fuel handling sites fall under specific electrical codes for explosion proof and sealed equipment where explosive vapor hazards exists. Typically a drone flies well outside the vapor zones and restrictions more applicable for people walking within the posted production areas. Cell phones restrictions on site are more a distraction hazard than an electrical hazard. Good to see the workers do take electrical device safety seriously - on the site.
"We do everything we can not to create a spark....." (just ignore those flames from the stacks though...)
I hope he doesn't drive his car in.....
According to a report from the Petroleum Equipment Institute, there are no documented incidents at petrol stations related to fires or explosions caused by the use of mobile phones.
Bingo. Vehicles do brew up from sparks between the nozzle and body, sometimes when idiots are _on_ their phone, but never from the phone itself.
* starts angle grinding some steel facing away from the refinery*
You should have promised them, if the plant blew up you would walk away not looking at it.
Wow. Great drone footage 👏
"We take ever single precaution..." , well, that's not true. Because if drones had a "spark risk" then the airspace would be restricted.
Looks like his diesel truck is fine to drive in there and that prob has more spark potential lmao
Granted, diesel is a lot less sparky. There's still a static spark risk from any vehicle though.
@@rogerborg and not just from the "engine"
It’s better than a ev lol
*4.40 🥷 av you grown some dreadlocks DJ😲😁*
That is an impressive site!! It is well big!! Good video DJ 😊
Rumour has it that Yorkshire born Ridley Scott was inspired by the oil refinery and used it as inspiration for the opening of Blade Runner!
We used to call it Mordor 😂.
Tantalisingly close to Grimsby!
Brilliant upload DJ. ❤
Ridley and Tony Scott are not from Yorkshire.
@@danielgardecki1046 well, he seemed to like Yorkshire, think of the Hovis advert. I went to a lecture on industrial architecture and someone dropped that in!
Being a Grimsby lass and obsessed with the refinery, my mind was blown that a great director could be inspired by something on my doorstep.
Even if it's an urban legend, I still like the idea.
It was a walk he use to take around Redcar in the North East. The power stations
They worry about mobile phones while driving around the site with a combustion engine car 😂
DJ " I think it's a low risk" so flys the drone over a refinery!
The maintenance on an oil refinery is ongoing and never-ending DJ.
12:45 - the levels to stop 'sparks' is phenomenal. They even have utilised a special 'mobile phone case'. This advanced technology could save thousands of lives if rolled out nationally.
They removed coat hooks at my work. Might Poke your eye out hanging up your coat. Even though safety glasses required when entering the building.
Cost a grand that case mate
says he sitting in an running internal combustion engine
@@pjttaylor7186 it would be safer if they gave the controller a bike.
The engine is diesel, there is no spark, compression combustion. Petrol vehicles are banned on these sites for that very reason
theres a huge flare going off and they are worried about a spark from a drone , my BS detector went off
The flare is up and out of the plant for a reason. Zone 0 and 1 ATEX areas are present almost covering the entirety of a processing plant and any valve or pipe could have a leak. The risk from the drone if i was to carry out a risk assessment would be from failior or loss of power would be when it hits the ground it would at least cause a spark and at worst cause a fire. Falling into pipework and causing the potential for damage to the plant, loss of production or even worse an explosion. Even a small contained fire of just the drone battery would cause the plant to have to dump gas and stop processing until the area can be inspected once the fire brigade is finished. ATEX zones are not something they can stop DJ flying with but they are a very valid reason to listen to and abort the flight.
@@Marri-Tech Perhaps then a change of legislation is required
Another DJ. Getting down to the nitty gritty. Sparks 🧨 are an issue. 💥💥💥
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Awesome drone footage, loved seeing all they DJ, thank you for visiting this place
I have experience from chemical plants where there was a slight spark from static that caused an explosion that almost ended with a fatality to this day it is a miracle how my former colleague survived he was badly burnt. We had the same rules regarding phones etc in certain areas of site unless they are intrinsically safe there is no proof of this ever happening with a phone or a drone but it is possible so they are not allowed so that the risk of just in case never happens. Where the drone was I would say was not a high risk but still had a potential to cause an explosion quite irresponsible from DJ and the site to be honest for not ensuring this happens.
the chance of there being an undetected gas leak and the drone crashing into that area and causing a spark is probably a billion to one. Oil and gas sites in the UK are some of the safest in the world. DJ said he followed the road and flew VLOS, if the site was that dangerous then there should be a restriction on the airspace.
@@J4mesTrenchard I couldn’t care what the odds of what if’s you idiot he should not have done it period the fact you said a billion to one says it all there is a chance so don’t fkn do it then there is no chance how is that not registering in that head of yours
@@J4mesTrenchard Aren't they closing down the site in Grangemouth?Think about all the extra travel transporting activated petroleum on the roads from England to Scotland.
So the is a chance then, be it ever so small. Look up the Swiss Cheese Model @@J4mesTrenchard
@@giggsandbiggs He is a tosser I guarantee this will all end soon
Have they approved every microlight, hang glider, private plane that flies over the site. Those aircraft might be thousands of feet in the air rather than one hundred for a sub 250g drone, but if they crash they would cause waaaay more damage than a drone which weighs less than some birds.
@@nicotoscani1707 Not your bird. I wouldn't be that rude. 🤣 But some birds like wood pigeons or seagulls can weigh more than 250g.
@@TheSadButMadLad ive never weighed my bird before but I have my suspicions
@@front2427 🤣
@@TheSadButMadLad I met her up The Savoy Glasgow on a Sunday night.
You've done your research then, a real landmine of knowledge.
All equipment on the refinery has to comply with the ATEX directive as there are parts of the refinery that
1. Shouldnt have gas about but could in an emergency
2. Has gas sonetimes during venting
Or 3. Always has a gaseous atmosphere like inside the crude oil tank he nearly flew over.
IF his drone fell into the tank for instance it had POTENTIAL to create a spark causeing an explosion.
Places like this always work to the most extreme outcome and put controls in place to minimise risk to people, the plant and environment. Hence the sign saying just about anything with a battery isnt allowed.
It's nice to see you in my neck of the woods DJ. I've worked at LOR many a time and the refinery next door. I was also part of the crew that helped install the pipework at the power station you were at on yesterday's video.
Some of you need to educate yourselves on Intrinsic safety and the abundance of caution that is required to make these sites as safe as is humanly possible. If there is some risk of an unknown random person flying where it may be unsafe then that risk has to be managed. Comments about flares being permitted are irrelevant as LPG is heavier than air and are more likely to ignite at ground level and below. Have a chat to the firefighters on site if you don't believe security, they will tell you why certain measures are taken to maintain safety.
So is everything banned from flying over .
Mythbusters tried to explode a petrol tank with a phone BUSTED
As someone who has worked on this site and P66 next door. The spark risk is drilled into every person sitting the site induction. They are trying to eliminate the potential of any sources of ignition.
The site employee is enforcing those rules, despite how negligible the risk is.
The rules are enforced site wide, but the main areas of risk would be in the process units.
But equally in the tank farm areas you could have work going on breaking into live lines etc.
Batteries can be used on site under strict controlled permit conditions or intrinsically safe batteries can be used.
Same as any ‘Hot works’ on site, welding etc. Any area where it takes place would be strictly controlled.
I’m a big fan of DJ, he quite rightly assessed the risks involved with this site and sensibly only flew over the perimeter area.
Are you "onsite",just now?
Thank you DJ AUDITS, these two oil refineries are very local to me .... Prax I knew it as L.O.R ( Lyndsey Oil Refinery ) and across the road in the distance H.O.R ( Humber Oil Refinery / Conoco ) Those drone shots were just superb, and I found very interesting indeed!!!! I was in and out of these two place at one time, on a very regular basis!!! Keep up the excellent work.
Forgot to add ........ the flares off those flare stacks / towers at night can be absolutely HUGE with massive amounts of thick black smoke ...... I'm reeky not kidding when I say those flares can be HUGE ...... usually when these is an issue / problem on one of the ''Units'' apparently!!!! Sometimes referred to as ''Killingholme candles''!!
@spectrumisgreen7252 yeah thats what I was thinking as well. That fireball was nothing, and he was impressed by it lol. I live in Immingham and I remember one night the fire was HUGE. I swear I could feel the heat waves coming from it when I had it in clear view
Hi there chief, yes, those flares could be bloody HUGE and when in the refineries .... quite loud also!! Some said that they burnt off the very very smokey stuff at night so it couldn't easily be seen!!@@topsunnn
no sparks, but hot exhaust manifolds on vehicles, do alternators & starter motors not spark either, just mind where you park your E Bike & EV's - they may not be atex approved
ICE is a clue !
Amazing how the out of work like telling the people in work how to do their job
What a prax!
Prax on the side of his truck. Should say Prat…
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Change the a to an I and the X to a CK
what a foolish comment to make. PJ stop playing to the fools.
The guy in the incident controller van just got all tongue tied with his own bull shit . Beware of the spark from your mobile phone 😱😱😱😂😂😂😂😂😂
Effing great flames belching out of the chimneys and he's worried about potential sparks from a drone.
In all fairness haven’t mobile batteries caught fire, been a few cases on aircraft if I remember correctly
True, but his magical phone isn't going to have an ancient nimh battery in it, is it it? Lithium, same as everything else these days.
there have been hundreds of cases of cars and vans going on fire and generating sparks from their exhaust, just like the one the not so bright spark was driving around the site in
My site phones does and that ATEX zone 1 compliant so possibly @@rogerborg
That's where RoboCop sorted himself out
People use phones to pay for fuel at petrol stations, contactless device😊
to date I have not seen one on a pump , inside the booth yes , wish the pumps did use contactless though , never know what grubby underlife has touched the PIN buttons before ya lol
@@uptowndisco2 ASDA, TESCO here in UK have contactless petrol pump payment systems
@@uptowndisco2😂
Look up Hemel Hempstead explosion if you want to see an ATEX failure 👀 I'm glad you didn't take the drone too near the plant 😅
The cars they drive in there have a Lot of electronics, lights, spark plugs, radios, ect. None of that has any "Special protection" -
on top of that. the lights, pumps and electrical equipment in the refinery mean it's Poppin with power and "posable" ignition points.
Not to mention the "Open Flare/Flames" around the place
Very impressive overhead view of the site.
The only thing I worried about is the black smoke coming off the stacks. At Elk Hills in California if stacks burned black for just a bit, environmental was notified. Air pollution.
I wonder if his van and all the contactors vehicle are "atex" rated. They all have batteries and spark generating switches.
Tyranny begins with phrases like "for your safety"
It is our duty to rebel!
@4:39 Did PJ buy DJ dreadlocks for Christmas?
🤣🤣 That was my scarf
Looks cool from above love it nice one dude👍👍👍
Which is a greater risk of causing an explosion?
DJ's drone...or
The great big naked flame of their flare.
Well, DJ's drone if it were to fly in the wrong places where there be a leak, as the bloke explained, as the gas flares are not situated in those areas. But of course you know best you people in the comments section! 😂
@@CaptainShonko a UA-cam lowered his drone into an active volcano once.
@@front2427now that sounds interesting and causing no harm apart from the death of one drone! 😀
@@CaptainShonko look it up,i think he justified it by his distance travelled and the age of the drone.
@@CaptainShonko it was Ian in London,but I think they've all taken his idea and sacrificed their drones,dafties.
Can't believe they put an X on his pickup door and not a T
You sure you didn't mean 'I' instead of 'A' when there's a passenger?
@@ef7480 if you read what I said again what I said is what I meant. You'll get it eventually
Can anyone explain why the fuel burnt off at flares is not harnessed and generating some turbine or something. Always see them at port talbot steel works as well and many other places, and its such a waste of energy. Why is this excess or whatever it is, not being directed towards a turbine or something to generate power instead of being wasted.
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Those are pretty big flare stacks 😮!!! I've been on them when they go off. It's a fighting feeling and sound 😬
Funny he isnt saying that the Vehicle he is driving shouldn't be on site as it is a spark risk
So he can drive that truck onto the property that has a combustion engine and spark plugs! 🤔 the tarmac goes around the around the area for a reason, because it is a safe area! Big dummies think everyone is stupid! Great job DJ!
Are they saying they have large enough gas leaks that they can ignite in they air? Sounds like it. Intrinsically safe (old EXE ratings) only apply to electrical equipment brought onto site as there is potential to ignite hydrocarbins that could pocket in areas at low level, its an open air plant so the risk is even lower. Great video, shame he wouldnt listen to reason, classic case of him knowing a little about something but not knowing enough to expand a conversation on the subject. 🙃😄
Dunning Kruger example
They have sensors everywhere, so they will immediately know about gas leaks.
The drone won't produce a spark unless he crashes the drone.
In flight is mostly Irrelevant but the device isn't intrinsically safe and if it was to cut out or fail has a pretty good Chance of causing a spark or bursting into flames. This would be something that you couldn't have as part of a risk assessment in an atex zone and the fella in the pickup done exactly what I would expect of someone controlling a zone. Made his point clear and tried to inform DJ. Now if there is a accident DJ has stated that he's operating under his own risk.assesment and would be responsible for any issues caused
@@siedliko is it gas sealed.
By all means argue your point with the people who say you can't video from public areas but don't try and be a smart ass with refinery process operation personnel
@@Odysseuss. Don't care what they say, rules are rules. If flying is allowed then I shall fly. ✈️✈️✈️
Good audit video upload dj till the next one 👍
That keyring left there is a potential spark risk😂
DJ, Although it is perfectly legal to fly near to these sites just be cautious when flying near to high voltage equipment. I had a drone crash into a small sub station as it somehow messed with the drone and it was unresponsive to the controller and caused it to smash into the equipment. Love the content btw.
I agree, stay above land/water rather than flying over such places 👍
I WORKED at a similar site some years ago, keys with remote fob, ANYTHING with a battery in it, had to be deposited in a locker, which security had a key to, not yourself, the excavator i used had to have a "spark arrester" on top of the exhaust to stop any sparks coming out of the exhaust, basically working there was a frickin pain in the arse (PITA), only advantage was late starts an early finishes, wouldn`t work in 1 again !!!!!
I fakkin love the use of the radio, he needs to use it every video
Amazing thank you for your content
Nobody is allowed on site with matches, mobile phones etc in case of spark potential. Radios etc are all atex approved. Any spark risk is taken extremely seriously. Any spark potential work cannot be done out before a gas test is carried out to ensure there is no flammable gasses. Bear in mind that if there was an incident it would be very serious. I am sorry DJ but you are wrong. Any risk has to be negated because the resultant incident could be catastrophic.
What he says would apply to ground level or unit level where there would likely be combustible gasses at high enough concentrations to be at any risk of exploding or being ignited. No such risks apply at the height the drone was flying.
I've just checked my two DJI drones and I can't see an 'Atex approved' sticker anywhere. They went straight in the bin, I can assure you!
I got told that the only reason mobile are banned on Petrol forecourts is due to in the early days they cold interfere with the working of the old pumps and potentially giving incorrect fuel reading. Newer pumps use a different technology so this isn't possible now. Don't know how true that was.
That’s amazing place 😍😍😍
Controller is just doing his job. He was nice.
I wonder what happens to the spark plugs on their vehicles do they not create a spark ?
I was thinking they should only be allowed in on a horse and cart, but then I thought the horse might fart and blow the place up.
@@capabilitybrown2323 🤣🤣🤣🤣
just ask politely. DJ is a reasonable chap
this time you are completely wrong Dj. the risk is that if the drone crashes for whatever reason the lithium battery could break and cause a huge disaster. the petrochem guys spend tons of money on certified radios and phones to mitigate. while dji drones have been know to crash because the battery was swelling up and ready to ignite, it is a risk much higher then you think 😏
PRAX acquired TOTAL's Lindsey oil refinery which is built alongside PHILLIPS66/Conoco's Humber oil refinery. They were constructed at the same time and had a number of joint functions such as a shared power station and shared fire service. Conoco's refining process was developed to crack Libyan crude which is a light sweet (low sulphur)crude. When north sea oil was discovered it proved to be quite similar to Libyan crude so it took very little to reconfigure HOR to process it.
He’s driving a diesel truck that is generating heat which is also a risk. He’s a fool.
Very polite guy .
Mythbusters tried to detonate a camper filled with gas with about a hundred mobile phones that were sabotaged to spark. The gas saturation of the air was so high that no human could survive. So DJ is correct, the gas station thing is pure nonsense. I grew up smoking a cigarette while refilling my motorcycle. I still do it occasionally and watch the staff come running out freaking about. I usually demonstrate by putting my cigarette out IN the petrol tank if I'm filling it to the top. It appears those who work with gasoline know the least about it. Most petroleum products will extinguish a naked flame. And most will require gas saturation to a level that you're just not going to accidentally reach.
I remember that episode. In the end did they not have to generate static electricity to create a spark and only then did the caravan explode?
DJ and Sparks.. This drone ain't big enough for the both of us....🎸🎸🎸
A high level of ignorance in these comments. The flares are sited well outside the atex zones. As are the motor vehicles. The risk arises where a drone could fall into an atex zone and produce a spark, igniting any low level gases. There is almost zero chance of this happening. But almost zero is NOT zero. ATEX approved devices are specially made for exclusive use within such areas, where any spark, could potentialy, be catastrophic.
There was a vehicle clearly driving about much closer to the equipemnt than DJ ever got with his drone.
All those cars parked inside the fence line, all diesel, no spark plugs, no electronics, no batteries at all.
If the drone was used as an excuse for a spark. Why then use a vehicles in gas areas ? An electric lights, cctv, coms radios etc never mind the large gas flares that burn the excess gases produced . Another decent video DJ
I've worked in an oil refinery for many years and what that guy said is true to a degree. It's shameful that you seem to think you know better when you clearly haven't a clue. The main risk is not the drone igniting anything high up although there is that risk but mainly it's in the event of the drone malfunctioning and falling into the live process area. I see a few comments about the flares being more of a risk. If gas was leaking from anywhere on the plant and the wind was blowing it away from the flares then it obviously going to ignite when it comes into contact with something creating an ignition source Flying over the live plant area is not only irresponsible & downright dangerous it also shows how little you care for anybody and your main focus is on gaining views for your videos.
Totally agree. He should just obey what he was being told by that guy, he was very reasonable and doing his job. No need to argue with them at all, and they're not scientists either to explain all the ifs and whys that DJ asks about
Not breaking any laws . Get a life.
@@thehoodfab1 He might not be breaking any laws but he is putting peoples lives in danger. I take it your ok with that ?
Disgusting and shameful behaviour by DJ.His arrogance and disrespect knows no bounds.He even said " Little risk" so that's okay then.
@@coconutislanddrones Stop making a mountain out of a molehill. You don't have to watch him. Does this also apply to all aircraft??
DJ - This is one of the first videos where you were totally wrong to not agree with both those guys. You really really really need to brush up on your site safety etc. on sites like these. If your equipment fell out the sky and crashed there could possibly be a spark generated and if it was in any area that had a malfunction and gas or fuel was present it could ignite and that whole site could go up because your ego got in the way. Honestly you were totally irresponsible. I have worked at a few fuel storage depots and every vehicle in would be allowed into a secure parking area. |Thereafter special non spark non static boots, overalls, hard hat etc. etc would be supplied and worn before entry into the working area. Tools had to be used were theirs all rubberised as well so no sparks could happen. Every electric motor has flame proof housings etc too. A few big tanks of fuel can burn for a month or so!! Really DJ I'm not impressed with this outing.
These clowns need to pull their fingers out their butt cracks and get a flight restrictions in place.
why is it not a restricted zone for flying over then?
And I might win the lottery, not. 😂
@@DarrellThompson47that’s a very good point.
Can’t go over the fence because the drone has a battery but all the cars are over the fence 😂
That key ring could cause a spark!
I have to agree with the incident controller on this on DJ, as regards a spark risk. As a model pilot, and drone flyer, brushless motors can/do produce a spark at start up and running, and even worse fire *IF* they are under strain for too long. I've seen it happen and esc's (electronic speed controllers - there is 4 in the drone) catch fire. I would say the risk is little to non existant, but possible. With experience on and off these sites, they don't even allow petrol vehicles on for the same reason. I think they are being overly cautious, but agree its possible.
The only refinery I've ever seen explode was on the opening credits of Thunderbirds. I don't think mobile phones existed then.
Aren't you ever tempted to say "Knob" as they drive off, I bet you have in your head. LOL🤣
Worried about a spark from a drone while driving a truck that literally has gas burning and spark plugs in the engine (it definitely didn't sound electric to me). Something tells me they don't want phones (or drones not because of a "spark" but because of the cameras
That vehicle sounded like a Diesel engine to me, no sparks.
However, the cars generator usually has brushes that can spark.
The drone has brushless motors.
If i am not mistaken ATEX approval is a EU requirement and not applicable since Britain wisely ditched the EU. I may be wrong.
I’ve worked in there loads of times over the years and they are always on top of health and safety….. good to see them challenging you
I think all that black smoke looks brilliant and I bet it smelt lovely
Hi DJ
If you are ever in the Liverpool - Cheshire area there is a massive refinery at Elesmere Port /Stanlow area. May be worth a visit.