TRAINWRECKORDS: "Two the Hard Way" by Cher and Gregg Allman
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2020
- Doomed couple Cher and Gregg Allman made a doomed collaboration album, a teamup that went about as well as mixing toothpaste and orange juice. (Support Todd on Patreon! / toddintheshadows )
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This album didn't kill any careers after their divorce because Cher believes in life after love
I really don't think this album is strong enough, no.
This thread gives me life
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Der yer belEEEbe in herr after durr?
Best comment ever.
My mom is a huge Cher fan and both my parents are both huge Allman Bros. fans. I've never heard them mentioned that they were married or this album happened. I think that says a lot.
My dad is a MASSIVE fan of the Allman Brothers and actually loves Cher- though I think it's a respect more for her longevity and fortitude. Either way, we talk music all the time and he has NEVER mentioned this connection between the 2.
You know a couple isn't good when people who like the music and Cher and the music of Greg Allman don't like Cher and Allman.
I asked my mum about it. She told me, she bought the record, listened to it once and literally never again.
THEY PRODUCED A CHILD TOGETHER!
I think you are right.
...when Cher has better chemistry with Beavis and Butthead than with her one-time husband...
I think Butt-head was finally going to get some, but the I'm guessing Beavis totally cock-blocked him.
@@Chattosaurus Well, it was only VR Cher, anyway.
When that clip came up, I said the exact same thing to myself.
Beavis and Butthead are just conscientious lovers is all.
@@Demiglitch nice cerati pfp
Alice Cooper tells a story of going out to dinner with Cher and Gregg Allman not long after they got married. They were chatting when Gregg faceplanted unconscious into his meal. Cher grabbed the back of his head, pulled him up and said "Isn't he great!"
Alice Cooper seems so based
Alice Cooper, Gregg Allman and Cher all at the same table... I think if Barry White had shown up the four pillars of seventies music would have been complete and it would have formed the Orb of Time.
I still can't believe they were called "Allman and Woman." That's an all-time terrible band name.
Sounds more like a sitcom than a band.
And not even a particularly good sitcom either.
BenCol it would be about a man who had the experiences of all men combined into one living with Eve from the Bible in a 2-room apartment in Milwaukee.
The more you think about it, the most stunningly misogynistic it becomes. "I'm ALL man... and her? She's just the Woo man. I'm the awesome one here, she's here to be that lady and bring the lady things to it."
ᵗʰᵉNight★Star I mean it’s just a pun, but I guess it could mean that too...
Over the years most of us have probably heard some random or quirky phrase and said "that'll be my band name". Until today it had never occurred to me that there would be a counterpart of a phrase that nobody in their right mind would use as a band name. I guess every yin must have its yang, though...
Wow Todd finally got a sponsor. Either he’s really hitting it big or he’s doesn’t want to sell another round of one hit wonder requests.
My theory is that the pandemic made all his Patrons too poor to give him anything :/
Those keyboards are not gonna eat themselves
It was probably do sponsor reads or finally cover You're Beautiful.
Insert Road to El Dorado "Both" gif here.
I just know that there are hoards of people requesting One Hit Wonderlands for bands and artists that weren't one-hit wonders to begin with like Smash Mouth and C+C Music Factory
“It’s better than having a kid to try and save the marriage” thing is they did try that, and said kid went on to front a goth industrial band called Deadsy
oh
You just know that makes perfect sense
They had a "Family Values Tour"... ouch :D
Deadsy was a pretty decent band, very creative, but I think they got lumped in with the nu- metal crew. They were on Family Values Tour after all. The singer, Elijah Blue Allman, actually covered Crimson and Clover with Cher.
@@scottygilmer691 And in the "If I Could Turn Back Time" video, 14-year-old Elijah is playing guitar.
Hate to say it but Cher and Greg Allman sound like one of those “….but the sex is great” couples.
Judging from the album cover, it's only great if there are no mirrors in the room.
12:19 this pretty much confirms it.
Honestly, being a “boring” couple to me seems like the best thing you can hope for when your a celebrity that’s dating another celebrity. The public doesn’t care, so to a certain extent your personal business gets to stay fucking personal.
oh man "when loving lovers love" is such a deep cut
I never could conceptualize the exact equivalent song to it, just an array of similar ones. Until today. Move Me is clearly what they were going for whether they knew it or not.
Really sells it, at least compared to Malcolm McLaren’s “Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Gals”
Are you still dating him? Not that that's any of my business, just wondering.
No. She's married and everything.
It could be the greatest love story ever written.....for the internet
Lesson learned: What works in the shower DOES NOT work in a sound stage.
Doesn't help that putting a brain cell or two forward that the songs opening lyrics are "I DON'T LIKE YOU, I DON'T WANT YOU" comes off poorly like Todd pointed out.
Who would've guessed?
@@NEEDbacon I heard that as I don't like you, but I love you
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@@mccperin Not me; that's for sure. Damn... guess my all shower covers were for nothing after all, dude. Now who's gonna release all these shower cover albums?!?
Greg has more courage than most people on this show. He actually speaks more than one sentence about the album.
I think it's safe to say by that point Gregg had long since distributed his lifetime supply of giveable fucks.
🤣
Like the Family Guy skit - “Greg Allman, what did you do when life got you down?”
“Me? I took a lot of drugs, married some broad named Cher. I won’t recommend either of them.”
The factoid about how Cher has nine of the biggest flops of all time implies that she _came back_ from at least eight of those. Move over Achilles, Superman, and all others who play at being indestructible. This woman is on another level.
So the conclusion here is that if she'd sung about how she rises from the dead all the time, it would actually check out.
Two of them were Sonny and Cher, one of which was a career ender for them. Additionally, one of the seven Cher solo albums was a followup to another entry that had been lower on the list.
However that still means she came back from SIX of those
If you got money or contracts or sponsors to keep you in game, who cares about albums quality? Cher to me is like Maroon5 for Todd: always there for inertia, never convincing, never infuriating.
@@Snarl616 Interesting point but I'd take Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves over anything Maroon5 has ever done.
@@Snarl616 maybe. But Maroon 5 aren't icons to anyone. Cher is though
The part about there being no fascination with Olivia Wilde and Jason Sudeikis and them seeming perfectly happy had aged… interestingly
Yeah... looks like Toddstradamus isn't limited to music anymore.
gonna ask todd to predict my failure so i don’t ever fail
“We’re Gonna Make It” sounds like the theme song of a sitcom from 1978 that was cancelled midway through its first season.
You mean like an 1979 ABC sitcom starring David Naughton?
@@NJGuy1973 No no, that one had it's own awful theme song that I'd much like to forget.
You win UA-cam today!
Aw, Why is that so true and why do I feel like Norman Lear said fuck no to trying to save the show?
Might have to eat BEES every day
Cher was really just getting started here. It’s wild to think that her WHOLE film career came after this, including an Oscar. You can never count her out.
And her albums after this also did well.
This sounds like what would happen if grimes and elon musk made an album together
Don’t give them ideas
Always watching it will be called QVANTVM ENt4ng⛓ement and will be entirely about the plot of Neuromancer where two AIs fuse together. It will be as pretentious as possible and they will claim it came from their own genius when in fact it came from her taking peyote and him throwing money at whatever will make people talk about him
Mother of god that would actually be the worst album ever
That's gonna be the chimes in the Cybertruck
Thank christ they just made a baby instead.
There are two things that keep me coming back to this video:
1. The phrase “enough junk coursing through him to kill a sperm whale”.
2. Cher’s wild outfits. You can say whatever you want about her singing on this album, but nobody had style like Cher.
lady gaga
She was so attractive.
Yeah, she was very attractive and had the presence (and body) to wear the hell outta those outfits
Cher and Gregg actually had a lot of parallels to A Star is Born Gregg is the struggling addict rocker and Cher is the vibrant Starlet who thinks she can save him and both ultimately cant
This is funny because the Streisand/Kristofferson version of A Star Is Born was originally supposed to star Cher and Warren Beatty.
Except Gaga and Bradley are both great singers, attractive, got great chemistry and charismatic while Cher is left with all of that and Gregg has none. Tho, that’s just for the newer one at least
@@DBEO23Watch the older version with Judy Garland and James Mason.
"Gregg Allman and Cher" sounds like one of those improbable duet pairs they make up on new Whose Line episodes.
"Ryan and Colin, you are Ray Charles and Pia Zadora."
@@HSMiyamoto You mean; they're real? And that they're still making new Whose Line episodes?
@@shawnfields2369 There have definitely been new episodes this year. A batch aired back at the start of quarantine and Jonathan Mangum hosted livestreams to celebrate. I believe there's been more since then but I'm uncertain of the details.
As for the unlikely duets, it's the new gimmick for 'Greatest Hits'. Memorable pairs include "Neil Diamond and Kanye West" and "Lil Wayne and Pavarotti".
@@SarahElisabethJoyal Wow, that's great to hear. Glad there's new episodes of "Whose Line". Great show. I wasn't that interested in the show as a kid, I thought it wasn't that funny, until I saw a few episodes, and I liked how funny it was. I'd definitely like to see how unlikely the pairs get. I'm sure Lil Wayne had collaborated with literally everyone. He was doing collabs with both Conan o'Brien, and Tony Hawk himself, all to promote Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, a terrible game. I think hearing "Lil Wayne and Pavarotti" sounds hilarious. And "Neil Diamond and Kanye West" sounds hilarious too. What's next, "Eminem and Cher"? Or maybe... "Eminem and David Hasselhoff"? Or even, "Eminem and the Beach Boys"? Sorry, Eminem's my favorite rapper. Thanks for the extra info, ma'am.
Congratulations on being one step closer to a RAID: Shadow Legends sponsorship.
Todd in the shadow legends
Don't joke about that man.
_they can hear you._
I'm sure all million people who advertise that game actually play it.
But Todd's already a shadow legend.
TODD SHADOW LEGENDS
Yeeeaaars ago, while I was in my mid teens, I met their son after a Deadsy show. He's actually an incredibly kind dude and even offered to hang out with my friend and I so we weren't alone while we were waiting for my mom to pick us up. Good dude.
The "Key To Gramercy Park" guys?
Forgot about them....
Sounds nice, did the son ever bring up this record?
Hey, me too! Weird story about that... after the show there was radio station party where we met then, and he went back with us to my friend's apartment to see some of her reptiles and have coffee and chat. Later, I stood with him outside while he waited to be picked up and he asked how long my friend and I had been dating. I explained we'd known each other for years and she was a lesbian, and he replied "Really? That's good then," almost like he was a touch skeptical but didn't care either way. I told her about it when I went back up and we had a chuckle.
18 years later, she and I have been married for 16 years, and together for almost 17. It seemed inconceivable at the time, but I sometimes wonder if that innocent aside planted the seed.
@@upstating Wow, that is really cool. I did not expect the ending of that story at all.
Hmm, I'd hang out with attractive young females too if given the opportunity 🤔
I did it! I finally got a playlist together for Trainwreckord Survivors! These are the songs Todd liked from his Trainwreckord episodes.
1. 2 Find U - Jewel (0304)
2. Heavy Metal Poisoning - Styx (Kilroy was Here)
3. Pumps and a Bump - MC Hammer (The Funky Headhunter)
4. My Big Mouth - Oasis (Be Here Now)
5. Fire in the Hole - Van Halen (Van Halen III)
6. Someday Never Comes - Creedence Clearwater Revival (Mardi Gras)
7. Shock to the System - Billy Idol (Cyberpunk)
8. The Opposite of Me - Robin Thicke (Paula)
9. This is England - The Clash (Cut the Crap)
10. Hot Fun in the Summertime - The Beach Boys (Summer in Paradise)
11. Ease My Mind - Arrested Development (Zingalamaduni)
12. Do what You gotta Do - Allman and Woman (Two the Hard Way)
Do you think I did a good job picking out this playlist?
I would replace "The Opposite of Me" with that song about New York, but it's a great playlist!
Excellent playlist you got there, and very accurate to boot. However, I can't help but observe that you found NOTHING salvageable in Lauryn Hill's Unplugged 2.0. Nothing wrong with that, mind you. I found nothing there either.
He didn't liked anything from Van Halen III. He didn't even played a song from that in the Outro. That album sucks 100%.
@@TheAndradeCS Not true, he did say "Fire in the Hole" was the best song on the album, but it was the equivalent to a "second tier Sammy song or a fourth tier David Lee Roth song". But I don't think he liked anything from Summer in Paradise, he even said the Beach Boys version of Hot Fun in the Summertime wasn't that good, but comparing it to the rest of the album... yeah.
@Blackberry! You mean "Fairweather Johnson"? That's already been done.
That look on Greg's face he had when she introduced him was the definition of forced smile.
He looks like a baby that still tries to figure out how to smile. While also having a shit that is just slightly too hard to be comfortable.
they kinda make me think of those romcoms where the mediocre guy falls in love with a manic pixie dream girl
It’s like a Spanish novela then
She's so ugly though. If that's someone's dream girl, they must have grown up in a burn victims unit
@@michaelkeller5927 man stfu cher is beautiful
Manic Pixie Dream Cher is my dream gender
@@michaelkeller5927 tasteless.
These clips of Cher and Gregg Allman together feel like watching two aliens from different planets struggling to communicate while also both pretending to be humans. There's truly something otherworldly about how awkward they are
Damn I laughed entirely too hard at that had to suppress the manly boyish titter of giggles long enough to write this reply
You bringing up Elvis made me realize how much I want you to cover Elvis' career slump in the 60s. Maybe, it's not quite Trainwreckords material, but maybe a Cinemadonna style marathon of his movies?
YES! I WANT CINEMELVIS!
Elvis got brought back in the end of the 60's tho, didn't he? That's where his best career material came even, From Elvis in Memphis
and all.
That's why I mean it's not really trainwreckords material. But it still an interesting period with plenty of opportunity to make fun of
I think he might not want to do the Elvis movies, given that others have suggested he cover them, but it could be a good idea. I also heard that there was a bootleg record called "Elvis's Greatest Sh*t" of his worst performances.
That's a good idea on paper, but would be terrible in execution. Elvis's movies of course are turds across the board, but they're also really repetitive and tend to blend into each other. At least with Madonna's filmography, there's a variety of things to talk about. Todd would probably give up before he gets to "Elvis Beach Movie #8."
I love when Todd's videos age poorly, but I didn't expect this one to do so in the first 2 minutes with the Wilde/Sudeikis couple
2 full years later and Kelly Clarkson made a "Kellyaoke" album...(might be an ep, but close enough).
"This record is the equivalent of having a baby to save the marriage. It's not going to save the marriage and it fucks up the baby."
...They did that too.
Gregg was literally going to leave Cher, but then she got pregnant with their son, Elijah. On one hand, Elijah did grow up to lead the band Deadsy, which is pretty cool and he is apparently a pretty nice person. On the other, he had severe abandonment issues that ultimately led to heroin addiction. So....
And when he said that, i was glad they didn't have one or else that wouldn't have been pretty. Poor Elijah
P. Exeter Blue is Cher and Greg Allman's kid? Holy crap.
Not nearly as screwed up as Chaz lmao
Like father like son.
Deadsy is actually one of my favorite bands
Cher’s voice is very distinct and I can see why someone wouldn’t be into it...but I seriously wouldn’t call her a bad singer.
Her voice is weird to me, it just sounds forced.
i think it's because she's more of a belter. people tend to prefer female vocalists who sing with their head voices, rather than their chest voices.
Whenever she sang backing vocals in Phil Spector sessions he would get her to stand well back from the mic because her voice was so forceful
Stars album is PROOF that she has singing chops!
Just don’t put super early and poorly wrangled autotune over it
Cheer on their relationship and record: "Well we had a good time while it lasted, but in the end it just wasn't meant to be."
Gregg on their relationship and record: "Boy was that an embarrassing phase of my life, glad it's over!"
Cher seems to have more tact, but I like Greg better. Cher always seemed so manufactured and phony.
How weird is it I know they were a couple from A Family Guy joke? Peter asks his Allman Brothers poster "Gregg, what did you do when life got you down?" And Greg pops out of it and answers, "Me? I did a lot of drugs, married a chick named Cher, and I don't recommend either one."
@@HiGlowie She's definitely "manufactured", but I never saw her as being phony outside of her aesthetic and music. She seems like the physical embodiment of a pop star to me.
This has Lisa Simpson/Nelson Muntz vibes all over it.
NOBODY LIKES MILHOUSE!
Marge: Oh, Milhouse doesn't count.
Hm, maybe TheRealJims will like this album then…
TOTALLY!
@@DerekPower “he can’t hear you. We had to pack his ears with gauze”
Cher isn't a bad singer but her tone isn't for everyone. Her voice is so distinct she needs big or voices with a lot of personality to keep up. I don't know Greg's voice that well, but she over powers his voice when they sing together. His voice seems to be too soft and light to even be heard when they sing.
Yeah. But I think that’s why some people like her voice. She’s not like Linda Ronstadt or Tina Turner and has the big range to go for multiple genres. She’s not everyone’s singer, just a singer who kind of sounds real I guess you can say
@@DBEO23 I like her voice. It's a bit a masculine and deep. It's not what's expected in pop music. Plus she has her harsh vibrato. All those things come together to make her iconic. Not an exact comparison, but Ethel merman, Pattie lupone, and Bernadette petters are all iconic, but have extremely unique voices. The more unique the voice, the more people will be polarized on it.
@@raaid22 Same. I like her voice quite a lot, just not most the singing. I find her exaggerating or trying too much most of the time. But she has a very interesting timbre, that's for sure.
It might be fair to call her the Mainstream Nico, in that respect.
@@SonofMrPeanut Weird comparison, I kinda see it, but I also don't. Honestly, I find Nico better than Cher in almost any category voice-wise, not counting songwriting/career.
This album is like putting gravy on skittles.
They put FALLING DAMAGE in my motherfuckin’ 2-D platform game!?
It's like the SNL sketch for Crystal Gravy.
@@brendanb2982
Crystal Gravy… That sounds like a 60’s or 70’s band!
I’ve seen Cher in person from across a Borders bookstore. She was doing a book signing or album signing or something, probably for Believe. The line was unbelievable. So my best friend and younger brother and I went over to the children’s section and stood on chairs to get a view of her from afar. She. Was. Radiant. A goddess. She glowed from across the room, sitting on a throne on a dais, floating above everyone like the queen she is. It was an entrancing experience for teenage me.
That's exactly how I'd picture her, too
lol calm down. She’s a human like everyone else. Is she beautiful? Without a doubt. Goddess? Eh..
@@HiGlowie “Calm down”? Why would you just casually shit all over someone’s subjective opinion describing a special memory from their youth about seeing a cultural icon in person? You wanna go ahead and tell me my husband’s not handsome while you’re at it? Just such a stupid approach to comments, I don’t get why people act like that.
@@MegCazalet because that's a frightening view to have of a person. she's not a glowing goddess, and that makes you sound deluded. it's the sort of thing people say about Donald Trump, and it's scary to people who aren't in the cult. your husband may be very handsome, but he's not a god either. that's the problem people have with what you said, likening a celebrity to god.
@@perfectallycromulent Do any of you know that “goddess” can just mean she looked powerful, confident, and beautiful? I’m not saying she’s literally a DEITY to be worshipped. You sound deluded to react that way over a word like that. To my young teen eyes it was a very memorable moment. FFS.
"Cher was on the list of flop albums nine times."
"Nine times?"
"Niiine tiiiiimes"
"I can do it. I can do it nine times."
- Cher, probably
Rooney! Rrr!
ferris bueller's day off reference?
Deano Johns Homestar Runner reference, actually
@@MrMcKane It was Ferris Bueller
Cher's career is still after 50 years legitimately alive and something people care about, and Scooby-Doo is doing celebrity crossovers again with Guess Who?. And in fact Cher is the only non-fictional, still alive celebrity from the original Scooby-Doo crossovers that still has a high profile career. I mean, the Today Show ain't asking Dick van Dyke how he's surviving the 'Rona, but they definitely asked Cher. She should totally crossover with Scooby again, that'd be so cool! I mean, if she’s willing to sing with Beavis and Butt-Head, she should be down for Scooby again.
They're just asking Dick Van Dyke in general if he's alive.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 as a lesbian who cries hearing the original version of "I will always love you" Can confirm
Well, you got your wish. Cher was in Season 2 of Guess Who?
"I would make sure this album didn't exist" I never knew this existed until now. I never knew Allman and Cher were a thing. That's how bad this was, time has erased a marriage!
The irony is people HAD forgotten this and by doing the video Todd turned back time and brought it back into existence.
I had no idea this was a thing either. I am familiar with both, at least to some degree and my first thought was ".....what?"
I only knew because of a joke from Family Guy.
For a reason! Cher has a number of albums she doesn't allow on streaming services. She hates almost all of her music
As much as it is fun to rag on a really shity album, both Gregg Allman and Cher had been through some fucking shit in their lives. For all of their faults, it's nice to see that they both separately ultimately had something resembling a happy ending and rekindled their individual successes in later years.
With Gregg Allman's final incarnation of the Allman Brothers being pretty damn decent and well-received by fans before he tragically passed away in 2017 and Cher being the Mega rich and successful goddamn force of nature that she is today.
I'm happy for both of them, but God damn they were terrible on this album.
Little side note : it's sad but at the same time a bit funny that all the stable-but-non-interesting couples mentioned by Tood have now split up 😅
love this show btw
Classic Tood. Always calling the breakups.
Yeah, Toddstradamus isn't just for music anymore
Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban are still together... for now
The Blazing Saddles joke was perfect. That’s about the hardest I’ve guffawed at a Todd joke in a while.
Seriously, as someone who started watching Todd when he was still with That Website: his humor has aged like a fine wine.
@@Scorpia161 He's always been more deliberate about which relevant film/TV clips he uses than certain other creators who just do it for pop culture knowledge flexing.
For the record, I don't think Cher is a BAD singer per se, she just has a very unusual alto voice. There's a difference between having a clean voice for pop music and having a more unique style of singing. I have to put up with dumb poptimist friends accusing singers of other genres of not being able to sing. She might not have an eight-octave range but she can hold a tune at least.
@Rudy Overlord Which might mean something if most people were even vaguely aware that he'd done anything in the decades since he left Chicago. (The band, not the city.)
yeah kinda the way that some ppl may be turned off from artists like bjork or kate bush. they aren't bad singers, they just have a unique vocal quality/delivery that they prioritise over ability
berkeley is online Bjork has a gorgeous singing voice imo... it sounds like an intergalactic fae goddess is screaming into my ear, much akin to another one of her contemporaries, Kate Bush... or Grimes....
I don't think anyone related to the pop music scene has any right to accuse someone else of not being able to sing.
Cher's vocal is so deep, it's closer to bariton than soprano
"This album feels a lot like having a baby to save the marriage. It's bad for the both of you and it fucks up the baby."
Considering they did have a baby the year before this album dropped, I will consider this album the unintentional musical expression of exactly how that went for them: terribly, no matter how much they pretended to still be happy together.
Todd your presentation is so good, it makes shit we don't know anything about fascinating, and shit we DO know about fascinating.
Further proof that everyone on the internet likes Todd
I'd never heard of Arrested Development, but I love watching the Zingalamaduni video.
Seeing Gregg Allman's forced "oh god I do NOT want to be here" smile at 2:38 just says it all.
That whole clip is just bizarre. Her space alien hair, his awkward almost-smile, the way she calls him her "good friend", it's so incredibly awkward
It looks like the smile of an autistic child who's being TOLD to smile yet doesn't really understand what a smile is or what it expresses.
Source: Am autistic
Cher: And this is my good friend Gregg Allman!
Crowd: *cheers*
Gregg: *screams in introvert*
@@SunyCartoons Gregg looks like the kind of man whose only 'genuine smile' appears when he's raising hell in a bar lol
Watching his knowing that six months later Olivia Wilde would leave Jason Sudeikis for Harry Styles is so funny
What!?
you can tell who's realllllly invested in pop culture by who comments shit like this
This makes me sad Cher and Gene Simmons never made an album while dating. That would be a Todd in the Shadows multi-part extravaganza.
Excuse fucking me, but Gene Simmons?
Yeah she could contribute on his solo album much more. Even tho Gene's an a-hole his solo album is my favorite among all four kiss released in 78
@@Demiglitch Idk why I'm just seeing this reply now, but yes...THAT Gene Simmons lol
@@soulbrother5435 I'm partial to Ace's, if for nothing else "Rip It Out". I can take Gene's in parts. I'm good on Peter's 🙂
@@soulbrother5435 I do like "Living In Sin" which features Cher playing a groupie. I think they would have meshed pretty well on a record.
This story has a happy ending. Gregg got married four more times. By the seventh wife, he had marriage completely figured out.
If at first you don’t succeed….
Well, he did die not too long after it, so I guess you can call it a success.
Between her super-long hair (which I'm sure some is fake but some has to be real) and his pretty long for a guy hair, how much money do you think the Greg and Cher Allman household spent on hair product while they were together? I theorize that it possibly exceeded the military expenditures of some small countries like Luxembourg.
Plus, it looks like Gregg dyes.
I can guarantee their carpets were covered in hair, even a day after hoovering! I have long hair and my boyfriend does now as well (just below shoulder length, he hasn't had a haircut since before the pandemic). It feels like the second I hoover, more hair appears wherever I look. I don't get where it's coming from as neither of us are balding but jfc.
Anyway, probably spent a good portion of their budget on haircare products I reckon! Well, if celebs like that even budget.
as someone with long hair (to my ribs) probably quite a bit. i shed all over the place.
There's also the hidden cost for all the Dran-O to keep the shower unclogged
I hope they didn't try to light up in there haha
It really is saying something that Cher and Nic Cage had more chemistry together in Moonstruck than Cher and her then husband had when making Two the Hard Way
Rebound screw, chicks are more succeptible n guys just cash in
@shotonshitteo Beavis and Butthead, of course. ;)
Cher slapping Nic Cage had more chemistry than Cher and Gregg
Cher also had more chemistry with Chris Evans (the English one) in TFI Friday.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton as a couple.
It's like going to your high school reunion and discovering that the cool rebellious punk girl somehow ended up with the football team's backup quarterback who's really let himself go.
She's too good for him, i know thats mean but nobody is gonna say it so... and if they get married and have kids she gonna take like 10 years to make a fucking album. *sweats in gay*
Honey Lemon - Well, she's like 50 now and already has three kids from a previous marriage, so I think that ship has sailed.
I really don't get what the problem is, why can't people just leave them alone and stop judging. So far, everybody I've seen who hates Blake and Gwen together is people who think He's ugly, which is just incredibly shallow and stupid to me.
@@prismaze They're now engaged.... Sorry.....
I don't think anybody cares about Gwen Stefani or knows who Blake Shelton is.
Fun fact: I nearly ended up with this album, and on vinyl, no less.
My hairdresser learned that I had a budding vinyl collection, and decided to give away some of her old records. While I did see both Boston's and Dire Straits' self-titled debut albums in there, hidden behind a Seals and Crofts greatest hits was Allman and Woman.
I had legit no idea that Cher and Gregg Allman made an album, much less that they were married for a time. I asked her about it, and she said that it was one of those couples that you only heard about through the rancid drama surrounding them. They didn't have good chemistry, or for that matter any outward enjoyment of each other's presence.
Here's the kicker: She seemed sad to hear that I wasn't taking A&W off her hands. A woman who lives and breathes 70s-80s cheesy pop rock, to the point that she was actually shocked and offended that I had never heard of Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show before, thought it was better to give away that album instead of it ultimately ending up in the dump.
That should tell you everything you need to know about this record.
Robert Fripp and Toyah Wilcox always amazed me as an unlikely pairing, but they seem incredibly happy.
I guess it's because they didn't release an album how much they lovey doveyed each other, and even if they did...Robert wouldn't have sang on it.
Chregg?
🎵 SomeBODY ONCE TOLD ME - 🎵
By 1983, this album was out of print. It was never released on CD or iTunes. Cher owns the master tapes, so that's that.
The 3rd track on the album, "Can You Fool," appeared on the 4CD Allman Brothers "Dreams" box set in 1989.
And she probably doesn't want anyone to hear it again.
@@jackolanternaudio372 She actually did release the album on her official UA-cam page in October.
No matter how hard I try, I'll never NOT hear "You Really Got a Hold on Me" without immediately visualizing Smokey Robinson trying to escape the clutches of a VERY creepy Muppet letter U. And frankly, that's an apt metaphor for this couple.
Yeah but “U Really Got a Hold on Me” is a banger
That time a children's show populated by demented puppets interpreted your breakup song more accurately than two professional singers who were actually married. To each other.
Thank you for the visual, lulz
@@edwardphilibin3151 "Understanding begins with U/So lend me a hand and say 'Toodle-oo'..." Smokey Robinson was a champ for committing wholeheartedly to the parody.
Kid's TV show that's been on the air for 50+ years, or blink and you'll miss it marriage. Which one would you trust?
I have no idea who some people on trainwreckords even are but Todd makes the topics interesting enough for me to watch anyway
Edit: I know who Cher is lol. I just clicked on the video and didn’t pay attention to the title.
One Hit Wonderland is the one that always gets me! I had never heard of songs like "fire", but, somehow, a 20 minute video about it seemed somehow too short lol! Genius :)!
Same bro
Wow
Agreed
How do you not know who Cher is, and how do I become you
Gregg Allman’s book title seems like a first line to some lyrics he wrote one day...
My cross to bear,
Her name was Cher,
We made an album,
I never pretended to care.
Actually it is derived from the 1969 Allman brothers song "It's Not My Cross to Bear".
I’ll have to check that out
You managed to walk the tight rope of insulting and complimenting both of them equally.
That must have taken a lot of work.
It helps that he is not insulting them but the idea of them producing art together. They are two great tastes that just do not go together like ketchup and peanut butter.
Best thing about this -- while both of them are descent singers they managed to sound like aunt&uncle singing karaoke at a wedding.
This whole album is like 99% novelty and 1% songwriting
I'm pretty sure most of this album was just covers
I'm convinced that the look for Sabretooth in the first X-Men movie was based on Gregg Allman.
They do look similar
@@carybeweary7209 i think i remember hearing John Byrne was an Allman bros fan so he could have been his physical inspiration
Something about Cher being on a list of biggest flop albums NINE TIMES is just so incredibly perfect
I love that FOR her honestly
there's a reason she's called the goddess of pop. she's basically immortal at this point
Some of her flops gained cult followings and were re-evaluated and considered better than originally thought.
"Jason Sudekis and Oliva Wilde seem perfectly happy" True peak Toddstadamus.
11:57 I curse you for making me think of this:
Cher: “Honey! It’s time for our 4 pm album recording!”
Gregg Allman: *yes honey...*
Also I love how even when you get big enough for sponsors to notice you, your ads aren’t blown out or anything. Just Todd’s base voice, little jokes, and his iconic slideshow editing. Never change, man. (Well if you do, change for the better, but your call ;])
Damn,now I want someone to make a meme of that!
I don't usually call out spelling errors, but a "base voice" would be a voice that is foul and depraved. Reading your comment that way makes it funnier.
Yeah as soon as he said that I could see an image in my mind of Gregg Allman with that meme template saying "Yes dear..."
Cutting to When Loving Lovers Love during the first song made me choke on my dinner. Thanks Todd.
I'm amazed that Todd never mentioned Deadsy/Elijah Blue once during this episode.
That's how I keep reminding myself that Cher and Gregg Allman were a thing - that their son was the "Key to Gramercy Park" dude.
Todd mentions this album would've done better if it leaned more into Cher and Gregg's marriage collapsing and their sadness and I agree with him, especially since I do find it funny that an album about love and a happy marriage was rejected by the public the same year that Fleetwood Mac put out Rumours, an album about marriage and romances completely falling apart which is now considered one of the best albums ever made.
It’s super weird that they keep introducing each other as “good friends”. You’re married. Everyone knows you’re married. Why are you not opening with “this is my wife/husband”? Are you trying to convince each other that you still like each other?
Possibly, but honestly, when I (as a dude in his younger thirties with an older mother, with heavy influence from my grandmother growing up) think of the humor and sensibilities of that generation -- the "joke" is underplaying your relationship/skills.
They're speaking to, assumedly, a crowd that is aware of their marriage, and the "joke" is that "oh, we're friends!". It'd be like saying, "this guy knows a thing or two about basketball, it's Lebron James!" or "This person has dabbled in writing, it's George RR Martin!"
It's a kind of coy wink, like how couples (especially famous ones) often kind of wink-wink-nudge-nudge the public and the tabloids when they're not ready to go public about their relationship. So once everyone already knows, it becomes an ironic usage. But it's super lame.
@@oaktree__ It was lame when Duchess did it to Thomas O'Malley.
@@ZJP Except saying that Martin has only dabbled in writing is pretty accurate. Can we start referring to him as "Pro Football Blogger, George RR Martin" yet?
I believe those were introduction clips from her tv show ("Cher" 1975-76) not from promo for this album (1977), so there's two options: she may have introduced most guests that way and it was just standard. Or, it was part of the program from before they were officially married- the show began in February; her divorce from sonny was finalized and she married Gregg on June 30.
Todd bro every time you use MST3K footage you add years to my life. Congrats, you are now my health provider!
the one trainwreckords i'd like to see is 'carasmatic' by irene cara. she went from being a breakout 80s pop act with six top 40 singles to a legal mess of an album that ended her singing career for over twenty years.
I want to know that story.
too many producers on the album, including John Farrar, the man behind Olivia Newton-John. When there's no cohesive sound behind an album, it can go off the rails pretty quickly.
@@christoddur That the problem when you have too many producers on one album: no cohesive direction. Pick one direction and stick to it.
@@saj8 sometimes it works: Carly Simon's "Coming Around Again" comes to mind - but, most times it does not.
@@christoddur That's because the executives want the artists to chase different audiences at once. Appetite For Destruction is an album that had one direction and stuck to it.
To be fair to Cher, Greg had been married 7 times before he died.
i still think back to the time i was in macon for gregg allman's funeral procession. it was sad seeing people worry more about trying to take pictures of cher in a tinted limo than recall the memories of listening to the allman brothers. it was exhausting...
Ugh, are people serious? That's so disgusting. People were there to mourn him, including Cher, and there were idiots there taking pictures and shit? Wow.
@@SunyCartoons that’s fucking horrible.
You ain't a superstar until you either solve a mystery with Scooby-Doo, interact with the Muppets (including Sesame Street), or Weird Al makes fun of you
Definitely not a Trainwreckord for Cher herself, though. She’s showed rubber-band like resiliency for decades, as well as just being plain likeable.
It's been said that if nuclear war broke out, all that would survive would be cockroaches, Twinkies, and Cher.
NJGuy1973 I’d love to think that Dolly Parton and Betty White would join her.
It arguably wasn't a Trainwreckord for Gregg, either. He continued having hits and the Allman Brothers had a successful reunion.
Well, but it was a Trainwreckord. Cher's career did die. It's not Todd's fault that apparently Cher is David Dunn.
Cher will have outlived us and have more comebacks than humanity. Well all have nuked our selves and she’ll have her 97th comeback and that’ll give humanity its 48th Cher aided human comeback
Gotta say, "Shadow Dream Song" is pretty beautiful. Easily the best song on the album.
Came across it on You Tube last year. Now it's one of my favorite songs 🤗😆😆😆
I hope one day you will make a series about landmark albums, kinda like the opposite of trainwreckord.
I would love to hear you talk about "good" bands because there is no way some of those bands will ever make any of your series sadly
What would a good name be. The first thing I can think of would be star trecords
Well, remember that he started OHW because he felt that the good bands were already getting way too much coverage and that someone had to reveal the stories of the other artists. Trainwreckords kinda falls in the same vein - a piece of art that not a lot of people talk about. That's not to say I wouldn't mind hearing more about bands I like from him also, but I'm not sure it would fit his mission.
I mean, that kinda defeats the point of Todd's channel, because every single other music outlet and music reviewer does that, unlike Todd, that sifts through the obscure trash.
@@RDV333 in that case could you recommend some other music channels on youtube? most of them I find are devoid of any personality
I am already subscribed to spectrum pulse and double agent and buckley, they are main music channels I watch and would love some more
All good albums are the same; all bad albums are bad in their own way.
Every look on Gregg's face showcases disgust, and I can clearly see why. This might rank up there with Duane dying as the worst thing to happen to his career.
If I could turn back time
If I could find a way
I’d make sure this album
Never saw the light of day
🤣🤣🤣
For the next Trainwreckords on Garth Brooks in...The Life Of Chris Gaines. Essentially it was Brooks trying to pull off Bono's The Fly shtick, but failing miserably.
I'm surprised Chris Gaines never became a big meme
I really hope he does this.
I too wish for this simply so I can fully understand Regular Car Review's joke of "Cadillac's Chris Gaines album"
Congratulations on the sponsorship todd.
It happens to everyone, I suppose. Still, I'm glad he could find a way to keep the channel going.
I am so happy for him!
It's about time this talent gets some real adventure time pirating money😄🤘
@@achair650 that is a deep cut.
@@Drogon7102 Seriously.
TODD GOT A SPONSOR YAAAAYYYY
and he seems overjoyed
Cher went on to win an Oscar.
Gregg Allman went on to a successful career as Wolverine's archenemy Sabretooth.
No, Gregg Allman kept playing with the Allman Brothers Band and on his own until his death in May 2017.
Whenever a couple releases an album about how much they're in love, it makes me think they're really doing terribly. See: Lita Ford's Wicked Wonderland album, which she has since completely disowned.
OHW: Face down by The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus would be the perfect opportunity to talk about 2000's pop punk/emo.
I have heard about Red jumpsuit apparatus. I have never heard a song of theirs. I heard about them through a drama they had where they posted a picture without permission and acted like dicks about it.
@@snapchatsnacks3154 adoseofbuckley?
@@HYBRIDZHQ Never forget #RohanisaTool
Then laugh at Saints Row 2's dated soundtrack.
@@jbiehlable i know that song from MX vs ATV untamed
I just learned of his brother yesterday and what a guitarist he was. None of this would've happened if a truck wouldn't have suddenly stopped in front of Duane Allmans Harley-Davidson.
I continue to think Trainwreckords is your absolute best work. I get more excited by you uploading a Trainwreckords than anything else, I must have watched all of them a hundred times.
The reason it wasn't a Trainwreckord for either of them was that both of them did a good job of pretending it never happened.
Leonid Brezhnev was OK until he went through that reggae phase.
I'll have you know Kremlin in Dub is an underrated gem.
@@liamjay6844 Eh, it's fine, but once Gorbachev came along, it was all over for old-school Soviet reggae. Once you hear Toke Down This Wall, you can never go back.
era of stagnation, mon!
Or until he has that stroke or was convicted an invasion of Afghanistan was a good idea.
@@jamiekamihachi3135 "An Invasion of Afghanistan" was by far his worst album. Todd ought to cover that one!
Ehhh, the video is available now
Gregg Allman, how did you handle it when life got you down?
"Me? I did a lot of drugs, married some broad named Cher, and I wouldn't recommend either one of them".
from my memory, Cher went from Sonny to If I could turn back time... I did not know anything about her in between... until today.
He does look like he's phoning in his performance in parts and, as pointed out, he's there for the music and she's there to prove their love. 🤷🏼♂️
I mean I love Cher. But when it comes to this album all I can say is ...Cher I love you, we all make mistakes.
_Third Cher-Gregg Split Announced_
*CRAB FEAST*
that Jason Sudeikis comment aged about as well as the marriage in this video
Never knew about this either. Watched so many music documentaties relevant to the era and never a mention.
They both have strong fanbases, the energy of their shame must have willed it out of existence.
it sounded like he was so mad that he had to do that express VPN sponsor.
No one is "mad" that they're making money just for saying a few words on a video, dude.
Maybe more like painfully resigned to an unpleasant reality.
Once a UA-camr sells out by sponsoring awful shit that I bet you 20 bucks they don't actually use, there's always a part of them that dies inside. Todd just choose not to hide it.
Daigneau Ray yeah that’s a better description.
A Nameless UA-camr I wouldn’t call this selling out. UA-cam doesn’t pay well, so I can understand why some smaller UA-camrs take sponsors. Anyway, it’s not like we have to watch that part of the video , and you’re right, absolutely no one is unironically paying for express VPN right now, or at least none of the people sponsoring it. But from what I’ve heard they pay well, so as much as it sucks to see people taking sponsors from them, as I said I don’t blame them.
Refreshing to know that 70's music sucked as much as it rocked.
Hey Todd, have you considered covering more music-related movies? Would be a nice way to fill the Cinemadonna-shaped hole in our hearts.
I was going through a project of listening to every Billboard Hot 100 #1 from 1960 to the present and I had to stop when I hit the early '70s. It was always a bit spotty, but that was just a miserable era where soft rock and saccharine easy listening pop took over almost completely. There was a ton of great rock happening, but it wasn't the forefront of the culture. It was actually kind of fascinating to watch how rapidly things began to splinter more and more into specific niches.
@@Belgand it was at the forefront of culture. Just not really on the pop charts. Look at the Billboard 200. Rock music dominated the album chart in the late 60s and all of the 70s, since FM radio became a thing
His Song vs Song podcast does that for patreon subscribers
I would love a series on Elvis or Bowie’s film careers. Granted, there’s a LOT less crap when it comes to Bowie…
Omfg that clip from Mystery Science Theater 3000 is my favorite moment in the history of the show! Thanks for reminding me of it!
"Young, hot and in love." I am sorry, but 'hot' is not a word I would use for Gregg. Cher yes, but no, not Gregg. Not at all.
I guess "hot" to other guys? I mean, some of those pictures have him looking like the coolest dude in the room... and a lot of girls are into dad bods, which makes no sense to most guys. Unless those guys have dad bods... I've backed myself into a corner. Help!
At my ten year high school reunion I swear there were around twenty guys that had that exact Gregg Allman dazed look on their faces. We didn't have to ask what they had been doing for the past ten years.
Although Gregg was considered a sex symbol in the 1970s, according to Wikipedia.
@@dw89music73 Meatloaf was considered a sex symbol for a while. That's a low bar to jump.
It was easier for guys in the 70s. In the 80s, Prince and Duran Duran showed up and really raised the bar.