"I sell guns to the cartels all the time. What the problem?" -ATF Edit: Always remember, you're always on your own. Your neighbors aren't going to help you.
Were background checks conducted when the BATFE, sold those weapons during "Fast and Furious", that got a U.S. Border Patrol Agent murdered? Were those background checks consistent with the exact same standards used to qualify an American private citizen for a BATFE approval to purchase a firearm?
The real problem is not that the ATF keeps making rules. The problem is we don't make them stop we don't stand up for ourselves we just sit here and complain like little cowards.
That's what we 2nd Amendment loving Americans do best. We take it as we have been since the NFA was signed in 1934. Been taking it ever since with every new tyrannical bill signed into law. And the feds are everywhere.
10,000 patriots need to surround the ATF. That's the only thing that will get their attention. Otherwise they are going to just keep doing what they are doing, and every time we take something to court they will just draft a new rule. No.
Supreme Court needs to get off their lazy asses and strike down the notion that an agency can change law at a with with a vote and without any jurisdiction.
There's a lot of cases coming in June from the Supreme Court in regard to firearms. But moreso, the court is ruling on Chevron Deference which addresses Administrative law, created by agencies. So the Chevron vs. EPA case would affect gun rulings too.
It won’t work, Americans have no unity or “phlia”. People will not risk federal prison and or life ruining lawfare for this nor will they come to the defense of another who is willing we observed this during the lockdowns. Everyone is putting all their energy in the WORTHLESS professional wrestling of federal politics/elections. There is no real distinction between Trump and Biden, We the People have no influence on them or any other critter in DC. All politics are local, start making friends who will show up with the NKVD goons come for you.
When the atf comes in a convoy of 10 vehicles in the dark, stack up in front of a residence and cover the ring camera with tape and a no knock warrant this is tyranny and premeditated murder. All this for a man who had no criminal record and who was a professional in his job, who just collected and sold guns and committed no crime at any time.
BasedPatriot-USA "What difference does it make?" - Hillary Clinton......". According to some estimates, we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building. " - Donald Rumsfeld 09/10/2001....."WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20:52 p.m. on Sept. 11, 2001, after enduring fires for almost seven hours" NIST Report.......You're a damn fool if you think you and your youtube comments are going to anything other then A) Nothing or B) leave you dead on your door step with no one to care.
They just invaded and murdered a man in his home for simply buying and selling merchandise. If that doesn't tell you where we as free people are headed nothing will.
Ok but just know some poor bastards with mouths to feed are going to prison because of this. Probably not you but some will. If that doesn’t bother you, you’ve let life jade you and that’s pathetic
@@ShortArmOfGodExcept a rule change saying you can’t sell privately isn’t a law. So if they try to arrest you it’s not legitimate therefor lethal force is justified.
For a long time I thought all the illegal shit I did as a young person was me being a terrible person. Now I have realized that it was training for being a freedom loving American!
@zacharymorris9917 it's not a registry. They just happened to have a 4473 that still had current information for your firearms serial #. It works when you are the original purchaser. It doesn't work if you bought your firearm used.
@@GTFBITKLol they just “happened” they’ve openly said they have a registry. They claim it’s not searchable but it is, there’s no way they just “happened to have it” when they’re required to dispose of those background check forms after 7 days. That means they kept it, filed it and intend to use it for their planned forced confiscation.
@@GTFBITK keep telling yourself that. Bought a shotgun well over a decade and it's still on the "not-a-registry". If you want to argue semantics, I have no interest in conversing with you. If you want to accept reality and the fact that they know who purchased which gun, I'll continue. Anyone with a spare brain cell would call the a registry.
@@GTFBITK your theory that they had current contact information is absolutely incorrect. Bought the gun 400 miles away, moved about 5 times and changed phone numbers about 5 times. I didn't even live in the same state. AKA: they knew WHO bought it. What any same human would call a registry.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.” ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
@@paulfretz6777 "Rules are written for those who lack the ability to truly reason, But for those who can, the rules become nothing more than guidelines, They live their lives governed not by rules but by reason." ― James McGuigan
Yes, for sure! Let's also F'ck Donald Trump and Rick Scott for giving Florida cops a due process violating gun confiscation scheme called a "red flag law in 2018. Six ERPO's every day have been issued since--no warrant, no trial, no right to an attorney until your civil court hearing, no guns in your home for one year even after being acquitted. Yay! Go Trump!
#FJB #FDT don't forget when the great white hope used his executive order to ban bumpstocks! He's still ahead of Joe Biden when it comes to anti-gun legislation passed, but I know all you voters on both sides just ignore reality.
Hate to break it to you but this has been happening well before Biden. They are a rogue agency who acts this way no matter what president is in office.
@@mclt8883Right vote harder that will fix it, like I haven’t seen that for 3 decades of people saying it will fix it if we just “vote them out!”, not only has nothing been fixed it’s gotten worse to the point we are on the verge of a civil war.
@@traeucity6087because it's gonna be enforced as if it were a law until they are stopped/abolished altogether. This isn't 1920, we legitimately have no use for an ATF. No was there ever truly any constitutional basis for it's existence in the first place.
if it went through congress it still could not be law. congress is prohibited from abrogating secured rights. the law congress made prohibiting machine guns is a void act. ARMS does not indicate one arm and not another.
I remember reading an old phrase "taxation without representation." I also remember that there are supposed to be three branches of government; instead of rule by fiat'.
This won't stop someone selling their neighbor a gun. It will however curb gun show private sales where there is always a police presence. And we all know they will help enforce this "rule".
He is why I have no intention of going quietly should that time come. Sitting in a cage for a drawing of a picture.. nope you get railroaded either way so I’d rather just make them work for it,
I have to admit, the videos of his wife defending her husband sitting in prison on completely manufactured political charges is frightening. The only think I can think about when she's speaking is Man in the High Castle.
Brandon is all about money and has zero desire to follow any certain beliefs.. anyone or any company that is willing to give him financial funding he will work with and promote @@funchfries
This agency is a total disgrace and its members should have their positions and pensions dissolved as a form of making amends to the concentrated campaign to destroy a constitutional amendment.
Still getting conflicting stories about inherited firearms ,, some say an FFL must be involved and others say that its absolutely exempt from the 4473 ???????????????
Let's do a reality check here. A "collection" is comprised of "onesy" ownership of a variety of calibers and makes and models. They are usually kept for a period of time until either someone figures out they are qrap and no longer wants them (who wants a firearm that jams or has some other chronic problem - or the caliber or function of the gun is too extreme to be handled by the collector - for example owning a .45 or .50 caliber handgun you don't have the hand strength to control and that is painful to fire) and the collector tries to get rid of it without taking a bath. The intention of making a "profit" is a pipe dream. If you sell a firearm through an auction or consignment agreement, the fees are going to take 20-30% of the sale price. Lets factor in if a firearm is "used" and condition becomes an issue (a fairly subjective issue at that) the firearm is further devalued from what the collector paid for it. If you are an average consumer and make all your purchases at full retail YOU CAN NEVER EXPECT TO PROFIT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. The glut of everyday modern firearms and their availability through so many sources, make profitability literally impossible. The exception here are "antique" firearms. Firearms manufactured before 1898 are not subject to any of the modern gun law regulations and rules promulgated by the ATF and DOJ. The way a "collector" of these class of firearm make a profit is they find someone who doesn't know what they have and buy it "on the cheap" and then turn around and sell it to a knowledgeable collector for its real value. Collector to collector sales are governed by perceptions of condition and desirability. All very subjective and a matter of opinion. Dealers who are skilled in the market and are in the loop about other collectors looking for certain things and have the ability to find those "in the wild", can make a profit. But again none of that is regulated by laws and usually this class of firearms by a collector is to look at and not shoot. So they pose no threat to public safety (which is the underlying theory/excuse of all regulatory efforts) With modern firearms, the ONLY way I can see a profitability motive is you have the ability to make bulk purchases of new firearms at wholesale and then turn around and sell them at retail without having to resort to selling through an auction or dealer who will take fees. The margins on wholesale-retail sales are very thin and are quickly eaten up by middleman fees. Making a profitability motive a non starter. Bottom line is COLLECTING MODERN FIREARMS COMES AT A COST - NOT A PROFIT! It appears the ATF is attempting to word slice, obfuscate and wordsmith the 2nd Amendment in order to gain control and make an end run on the Constitution. Cause it doesn't bear out in reality.
This is highly illegal. Its an infringement and a backdoor registry as well as trying to charge you money to eat up any money of even breaking even that most people do anyway. Its theft, and it infringes upon the 2A.
The way how this made up rule is written, is just jaw dropping. Also, it's pretty obvious that "commenting" on any future proposed rules is simply worthless...they don't give a flying fk what people want.
Their claim is the rules are needed to "enforce the laws". The mistake was allowing agencies to decide what constitutes a violation of a law. This should've been clearly defined by Congress and completely static.
I bet this will be stayed almost immediatly as soon as it goes into affect. It might take years to finalize a ruling but I doubt this will ever take any hold. No doubt lawsuits are already being drafted. It is disgusting that they try to do this but im going to stay positive about this going away.
FYI, Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 FOPA that banned manufacture and sale of machine guns. Trump banned bump stocks that were made legal under Obama. You're siding with Republicans but they have a horrific track record against the 2nd Amendment.
If you sell any gun ever, or trade one, you are now considered an unlicensed dealer at the mercy of the whims of the gayTF. It takes the already vague, indefinite definition of "in the business" and makes it even less clear, and even easier for them to jam you up, where the process is the punishment. Even if the case is open/shut not guilty, you will still be out $10,000 to $30,000 in legal costs, while they get to use your tax dollars to bury you. The intent of this dumb shit is to make it only legal for folks with an FFL to sell. And they will refuse to issue kitchen counter FFL's, mandating a very high minimum number of sales to maintain that license. It's the same as requiring a tax stamp for an MG, but refusing to issue new stamps for them.
Lol then they get sued for violating your rights using vague nonsensical “rule changes” which really translates to a government agency rewriting laws illegally. However seeing how they did Matt Hoover, they’ll railroad you in court if they can find a corrupt judge so I’ll just make them work for it.
anyone can make a rule, im sure most household's have rules in place. you can choose to follow a rule if you wish, a LAW is different from a rule being you can face criminal charges for breaking a law?
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrest, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood that they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. What about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur - what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs [Soviet state institutions] would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn The Gulag Archipelago
Weird that I don't recall the constitution allowing anyone except congress to make laws. (C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business to predominantly earn a profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
The reason things keep getting worse is because people keep supporting government and politicians [ruling class]. Don't care if they have a red tie or a blue tie. Giving something/someone rights and powers that you and I don't have, is immoral. Imposing your beliefs and ideologies upon others through a 'vote' via the proxy of gov/law is immoral. Justify it however you want, you're just wrong. Say no and back it up.
There was one, they got notified that there was thousands of spam comments from one source in the antigun lobby in support of it, the never removed them. Then they removed pro gun comments to make it look like nobody opposed it.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769Yeah the only thing to stop the disarmament agenda will be the guns you possess. They have no intention of stopping it, they will eventually have to force a confiscation which will lead to open war. There’s no way around it. They can ban everything tomorrow but that doesn’t remove anything from the population.
You cant even sell your guns to a FFL with this ruling technically from what I understand. It can only be 1 or all of them at once. No longer can you use them as a way to pay for another purchase.
Violation of the 2nd and 5th Amendments. Private property is private property and the SCA is in violation of the 5th. The ATF has no Constitutional authority to make law, and this rule as well as the SCA is invalid under Article VI paragraph 2 since it is contrary to the US Constitution specifically the Bill of Rights. This unlawful abomination will result in the bloodshed of many more Ruby Ridges and Waco sieges if they are stupid enough to pursue it. Let the lawsuits and gunfights begin. Congress cannot pass law in violation of Article VI paragraph 2 or that law is invalid and it will have to be invalidated in court under these grounds. Otherwise kiss your private property rights and gun rights goodbye. The damage is already done and only the courts can fix it.
How no one could see the error in allowing agencies to make "rules" in order to "enforce" laws is beyond me. How could people not understand that it would simply be a means to create any "rules" the agency would claim it "needed" in order to enforce the law, thus bypassing Congress in law making.
It was the 1940's I believe, when this came to pass. It was a different time. Politics weren't yet weaponized, or at least not to the extent they are today. What we really need is every law should have an automatic sunset provision, and it should have to be reviewed and renewed every so often and maybe, MAYBE, made permanent after X number of renewals. Chances are this would have been made permanent anyway, but maybe it wouldn't have who knows? And it should be mandatory that ALL of these 'extralegal' agency rules-that-are-totally-not-laws-we-swear be temporary until they can be voted on by Congress. I know, I know, this is more work for Congress. I honestly don't care if they have to pull 12-16 hour shifts to do their job. Time to make them start earning that pay. Maybe it would inspire them to make less stupid laws.
Our founding fathers wrote the solution to the problem of government tyranny in our Bill of Rights. It’s ultimately up to us to use it, otherwise we have no right to complain
@@wwtf7180So if he uses it are you going to back him up or just stand quietly in the back doing nothing? I’m just curious, cause so many people will just spectate and then surrender their arms to be law abiding cucks.
At some point the founders said enough. At some point if the govt is gonna throw ya in a cage for selling a gun maybe you should do everything to not go with them.
If they didn’t constantly say and do things to take more and more gun rights away, I honestly wouldn’t be against background checks on principle. It’s totally understandable why no one trusts them, based on their behavior.
Here to use the 1st amendment to represent my opinion of this instance of federal government's attack on the bill of rights. 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 Take that to your supervisor.
If they make it widespread (which they are attempting) instead of isolated incidents as they have in the past, then they will end up having so many vacancies to fill that they won't have the manpower to go door to door. Even the agencies that usually accompany them will say no way
We did not "Get" the right to sell firearms or any other firearms rights in 1791. The 2A is there to (supposed to anyway) prevent the Govt. from infringing on our inalienable human rights to keep & bear arms.
youve allready seen them enforce all other "laws" made by atf. lets see the people enforce the constitutions of their states and the rights therein secured
Thank you Mr Gunner. Of the many 2A influencers you are the only one I have heard say what we need to do. I am so tired of my fellow firearms enthusiasts saying let them come and get them. That is exactly what they are doing. Get out your pen and write a letter. My democratic Senators always respond with a lie.
"...improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection" is the key phrase of that snippet. Doesn't really close a 'gun show loophole'. Main thing now is if "intent to sell at profit" is defined lol.
Worst part is WA State gun owners will likely just ignore this, as we had a state law ban private sales in the state already, so this won't affect them.
I actually hope that the this will get overturned in court and may even benefit the gun owners in WA by prividing a clear legal precident on the legality of private sales. Bruen is a great example of a positve outcome of a tyrancial law.
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No more mug club?
"I sell guns to the cartels all the time. What the problem?"
-ATF
Edit: Always remember, you're always on your own. Your neighbors aren't going to help you.
holo ….dom---or incomingggg
I support your business and do you sell T shirts? Think we can have a free gun give away to illegals to?
Were background checks conducted when the BATFE, sold those weapons during "Fast and Furious", that got a U.S. Border Patrol Agent murdered?
Were those background checks consistent with the exact same standards used to qualify an American private citizen for a BATFE approval to purchase a firearm?
Just never sell, buy buy buy keep.lol
Clever!
The real problem is not that the ATF keeps making rules. The problem is we don't make them stop we don't stand up for ourselves we just sit here and complain like little cowards.
That's what we 2nd Amendment loving Americans do best. We take it as we have been since the NFA was signed in 1934. Been taking it ever since with every new tyrannical bill signed into law. And the feds are everywhere.
10,000 patriots need to surround the ATF. That's the only thing that will get their attention. Otherwise they are going to just keep doing what they are doing, and every time we take something to court they will just draft a new rule. No.
@@BigJohnson-g3j Easy now, they will send the FBI to your house.
Speak for yourself. Some of us disobey.
because guns are literally just adult funko pops, real weaponry was banned over 100yrs ago
Supreme Court needs to get off their lazy asses and strike down the notion that an agency can change law at a with with a vote and without any jurisdiction.
At a whim*
You need to learn how the Supreme Court works.
Lol yes pIed to your Master.
_"Don't worry friends. The nobIes who enslave us will help."_ 😂
There's a lot of cases coming in June from the Supreme Court in regard to firearms. But moreso, the court is ruling on Chevron Deference which addresses Administrative law, created by agencies. So the Chevron vs. EPA case would affect gun rulings too.
Supreme Court is part of the problem
ATF can’t do that, civil disobedience is in order here, they have already been told they cannot make up laws. FJB!!
It won’t work, Americans have no unity or “phlia”. People will not risk federal prison and or life ruining lawfare for this nor will they come to the defense of another who is willing we observed this during the lockdowns. Everyone is putting all their energy in the WORTHLESS professional wrestling of federal politics/elections. There is no real distinction between Trump and Biden, We the People have no influence on them or any other critter in DC. All politics are local, start making friends who will show up with the NKVD goons come for you.
And yet they did. Imagine that.
@@Scientist_Salarian .....did what.....lol.....what "laws"......??
Civil disobedience is difficult when they can kill you with impunity.
@@AtvarLol you can drop them just as easily. They’re poorly trained and overconfident in their numbers. Three letters I.. E… D
Free gun with purchase of a bottle cap.
Yup
Exactly how they get around all the weed laws. Purchase this lighter and get a free bag.
Ohh yeah! Don't forget the box of skittles!
Nuka cola?
lol😂 Sounds good…
When the atf comes in a convoy of 10 vehicles in the dark, stack up in front of a residence and cover the ring camera with tape and a no knock warrant this is tyranny and premeditated murder. All this for a man who had no criminal record and who was a professional in his job, who just collected and sold guns and committed no crime at any time.
Yup and you can't do shit to stop it.
@BasedPatriot-USA Sam Adams would be raided and executed by the ATF.
BasedPatriot-USA "What difference does it make?" - Hillary Clinton......". According to some estimates, we cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building. " - Donald Rumsfeld 09/10/2001....."WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20:52 p.m. on Sept. 11, 2001, after enduring fires for almost seven hours" NIST Report.......You're a damn fool if you think you and your youtube comments are going to anything other then A) Nothing or B) leave you dead on your door step with no one to care.
You talking about the flight director of the Clinton airport?
You can't be dumb enough to think this was firearms related at this point... Can you?
Do tell @@camojoe83
They just invaded and murdered a man in his home for simply buying and selling merchandise. If that doesn't tell you where we as free people are headed nothing will.
You believe the director of the *CLINTON AIRPORT* was killed over some paperwork slip up on firearms transfers?
We're doomed.
What are you talking about?
Arkansas.
He was doing a bit more than just that 😂
@@jhulgan85 Like what? Give us a 'for instance'.
The atf has no authority to make law. The atf needs to be abolished.
This just shows that signing the petition nowadays dosen't mean a dam thing. They do what they want and Think it's time we take that course.
I buy what I want.
I sell what I want.
I don't care for the laws of man when time makes fools of all of us.
End of discussion.
Until you sell to a fed.
Ok but just know some poor bastards with mouths to feed are going to prison because of this. Probably not you but some will. If that doesn’t bother you, you’ve let life jade you and that’s pathetic
@@ShortArmOfGodExcept a rule change saying you can’t sell privately isn’t a law. So if they try to arrest you it’s not legitimate therefor lethal force is justified.
Criminal
Sounds like you have an extremely low IQ @freezingcathedral
For a long time I thought all the illegal shit I did as a young person was me being a terrible person. Now I have realized that it was training for being a freedom loving American!
They are trying to make a registration list without saying it out loud.
The registry has been around for decades. I'm not speculating. They used it to contact me about a stolen gun.
@zacharymorris9917 it's not a registry. They just happened to have a 4473 that still had current information for your firearms serial #. It works when you are the original purchaser. It doesn't work if you bought your firearm used.
@@GTFBITKLol they just “happened” they’ve openly said they have a registry. They claim it’s not searchable but it is, there’s no way they just “happened to have it” when they’re required to dispose of those background check forms after 7 days. That means they kept it, filed it and intend to use it for their planned forced confiscation.
@@GTFBITK keep telling yourself that. Bought a shotgun well over a decade and it's still on the "not-a-registry". If you want to argue semantics, I have no interest in conversing with you. If you want to accept reality and the fact that they know who purchased which gun, I'll continue. Anyone with a spare brain cell would call the a registry.
@@GTFBITK your theory that they had current contact information is absolutely incorrect. Bought the gun 400 miles away, moved about 5 times and changed phone numbers about 5 times. I didn't even live in the same state.
AKA: they knew WHO bought it. What any same human would call a registry.
It is the duty of a free man to disobey unjust, and illegitimate laws. Do not comply.
and of course you yourself decide what is unjust and illegitimate. like any common criminal.
@@HerculesEinstein The Constitution is pretty clear about this subject.
@@HerculesEinstein
It's simple. Does it violate the literal wording of the constitution?
Yes? Then it is unjust and illegitimate.
We no longer have a department of justice. Is the department of injustice
the BATFE is in the dept of Revenue
Democrats stop playing by the rules when they got into the position of law enforcement.
Oh ur just now realizing this after 250 years
Change the law until everyone is a criminal.
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
It’s not a law it’s a rule change.
@@paulfretz6777
"Rules are written for those who lack the ability to truly reason,
But for those who can, the rules become nothing more than guidelines,
They live their lives governed not by rules but by reason."
― James McGuigan
Once again FJB!
Yes, for sure! Let's also F'ck Donald Trump and Rick Scott for giving Florida cops a due process violating gun confiscation scheme called a "red flag law in 2018. Six ERPO's every day have been issued since--no warrant, no trial, no right to an attorney until your civil court hearing, no guns in your home for one year even after being acquitted. Yay! Go Trump!
#FJB #FDT don't forget when the great white hope used his executive order to ban bumpstocks! He's still ahead of Joe Biden when it comes to anti-gun legislation passed, but I know all you voters on both sides just ignore reality.
Hate to break it to you but this has been happening well before Biden. They are a rogue agency who acts this way no matter what president is in office.
We are past the point of being able to vote our way out of this tyranny.
Not yet, your allowed to have that lousy thought in your head for 5 min. That's all. Think positive.
@@mclt8883Right vote harder that will fix it, like I haven’t seen that for 3 decades of people saying it will fix it if we just “vote them out!”, not only has nothing been fixed it’s gotten worse to the point we are on the verge of a civil war.
@@mclt8883 Yeah, that’s how the Founding Fathers got out of their tyranny, by voting.
Bro democracy is a controlled scam jesus
Pretty wild that you can spend your life in prison for violating a "rule". Not even a law.
This law only applies to legal gun owning taxpaying Americans not criminals or illegal invading super citizens
Yup. Criminals and illegals don’t abide by laws. Gun control only hurts those who weren’t a problem to begin with. Welcome to political thinking.
Why are y'all referring to it as a law? Was it passed by Congress?
I'm gonna call myself undocumented to keep buying guns then 😆
@@EricVernor 😄😄😄
@@traeucity6087because it's gonna be enforced as if it were a law until they are stopped/abolished altogether. This isn't 1920, we legitimately have no use for an ATF. No was there ever truly any constitutional basis for it's existence in the first place.
Noncompliance is the word of the day.
Let me guess. It’s also retroactive. The gun I bought in 1960 can possibly be a felony.
They will be at your door the day it goes into effect 😊
He wasn’t killed he was murdered period
Did it go through congress? No. Oh ok cool doesn’t bother me 😂😂
if it went through congress it still could not be law. congress is prohibited from abrogating secured rights. the law congress made prohibiting machine guns is a void act. ARMS does not indicate one arm and not another.
Tell me you are tyrant with out saying you’re a tyrant. -ATF… “hold my Zima.”
😅😂 Zima. Perfect AFT Beta male beverage.
@@johngg25took the EXACT words outa my mouth when I read that shit 😂
Thank you for bringing this to light, and thanks for always standing up for our constitutional rights. You’re a true patriot, thank you.
They're doing this until Chevron deference is eliminated.
Pretty much yeah lol, they’re just packing as much as they can on to it using it as much as possible until they lose it in June.
Citizens in the past has rebelled against the tyrannical government and died fighting. History tends to repeat itself.
Federal disarming of citizens should end in the immediate removal of that federal overreach department in its entirety.
I remember reading an old phrase "taxation without representation."
I also remember that there are supposed to be three branches of government; instead of rule by fiat'.
This should have many challenges in court as no one can tell you if you can sell your own property
This won't stop someone selling their neighbor a gun. It will however curb gun show private sales where there is always a police presence. And we all know they will help enforce this "rule".
@@southern842Can’t trace the untraceable.
@@southern842 Get your 3D printer and CNC machine ready.
@@Hornet135for real though definitely time to start learning how to use a 3d printer.
@@southern842 Blah blah blah
@southern842 Who's to say you didn't make the transaction before the rule? They can't retroactively prosecute you.
CRS is sitting in jail for a drawing on a metal card.
Yep. Absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating.
They couldn't even get it to work. It was just a novelty item . I was shocked and still cannot believe it happened. The man has a family to care for .
Goes to show how crooked the whole process is
He is why I have no intention of going quietly should that time come. Sitting in a cage for a drawing of a picture.. nope you get railroaded either way so I’d rather just make them work for it,
I have to admit, the videos of his wife defending her husband sitting in prison on completely manufactured political charges is frightening. The only think I can think about when she's speaking is Man in the High Castle.
We knew they were gonna try this
They're not trying. They're going through with it.
@@TheHandHistoryVaultLol I’m still going to keep selling what I want. If they want to try an arrest we will see how fun it’s going to be 😂
No! Absolutely not! Will not comply!
Isn't it time to take our country back or WHAT ,, ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️🧂🧂🧂😡😡
Brandon’s gone off the rails.
Mind elaborating?
@@funchfries right, they did what they wanted under Trump too, pretty sure Republican Politicians control the House so..
Brandon is all about money and has zero desire to follow any certain beliefs.. anyone or any company that is willing to give him financial funding he will work with and promote @@funchfries
Yeah, how so? Oooooh, you meant Joe?
The ATF Is radical.. abolish
Why is it everytime i turn around the ATF is doing something illegal? Let me rephrase that: a law enforcement agency breaking law???
This agency is a total disgrace and its members should have their positions and pensions dissolved as a form of making amends to the concentrated campaign to destroy a constitutional amendment.
Still getting conflicting stories about inherited firearms ,, some say an FFL must be involved and others say that its absolutely exempt from the 4473 ???????????????
Hopefully nobody goes along with this BS.
Let's do a reality check here. A "collection" is comprised of "onesy" ownership of a variety of calibers and makes and models. They are usually kept for a period of time until either someone figures out they are qrap and no longer wants them (who wants a firearm that jams or has some other chronic problem - or the caliber or function of the gun is too extreme to be handled by the collector - for example owning a .45 or .50 caliber handgun you don't have the hand strength to control and that is painful to fire) and the collector tries to get rid of it without taking a bath. The intention of making a "profit" is a pipe dream. If you sell a firearm through an auction or consignment agreement, the fees are going to take 20-30% of the sale price. Lets factor in if a firearm is "used" and condition becomes an issue (a fairly subjective issue at that) the firearm is further devalued from what the collector paid for it. If you are an average consumer and make all your purchases at full retail YOU CAN NEVER EXPECT TO PROFIT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. The glut of everyday modern firearms and their availability through so many sources, make profitability literally impossible. The exception here are "antique" firearms. Firearms manufactured before 1898 are not subject to any of the modern gun law regulations and rules promulgated by the ATF and DOJ.
The way a "collector" of these class of firearm make a profit is they find someone who doesn't know what they have and buy it "on the cheap" and then turn around and sell it to a knowledgeable collector for its real value. Collector to collector sales are governed by perceptions of condition and desirability. All very subjective and a matter of opinion. Dealers who are skilled in the market and are in the loop about other collectors looking for certain things and have the ability to find those "in the wild", can make a profit. But again none of that is regulated by laws and usually this class of firearms by a collector is to look at and not shoot. So they pose no threat to public safety (which is the underlying theory/excuse of all regulatory efforts)
With modern firearms, the ONLY way I can see a profitability motive is you have the ability to make bulk purchases of new firearms at wholesale and then turn around and sell them at retail without having to resort to selling through an auction or dealer who will take fees. The margins on wholesale-retail sales are very thin and are quickly eaten up by middleman fees. Making a profitability motive a non starter.
Bottom line is COLLECTING MODERN FIREARMS COMES AT A COST - NOT A PROFIT!
It appears the ATF is attempting to word slice, obfuscate and wordsmith the 2nd Amendment in order to gain control and make an end run on the Constitution. Cause it doesn't bear out in reality.
This is highly illegal. Its an infringement and a backdoor registry as well as trying to charge you money to eat up any money of even breaking even that most people do anyway. Its theft, and it infringes upon the 2A.
4473s are already a de facto registry, even if only limited to original purchaser.
The way how this made up rule is written, is just jaw dropping. Also, it's pretty obvious that "commenting" on any future proposed rules is simply worthless...they don't give a flying fk what people want.
well good thing we dont care about anything they say!
Rules aren't laws
Their claim is the rules are needed to "enforce the laws". The mistake was allowing agencies to decide what constitutes a violation of a law. This should've been clearly defined by Congress and completely static.
I bet this will be stayed almost immediatly as soon as it goes into affect. It might take years to finalize a ruling but I doubt this will ever take any hold. No doubt lawsuits are already being drafted. It is disgusting that they try to do this but im going to stay positive about this going away.
Vote all Democrats and Biden out of office if you are an American and want to be FREE and not lose your RIGHTS and FREEDOM!!!
Include the RINO's, without whom, none of this is possible...they're birds of a feather....
FYI, Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 FOPA that banned manufacture and sale of machine guns. Trump banned bump stocks that were made legal under Obama. You're siding with Republicans but they have a horrific track record against the 2nd Amendment.
Think we are past the whole voting our problems out of office. Unfortunately I think it's time to water that tree of liberty.
Neocon warmonger industrial globalists come in red and blue. Both sides chip away at liberties from different sides. Trump is an anomaly, I'm afraid.
*Reagan has entered the chat*
If you sell any gun ever, or trade one, you are now considered an unlicensed dealer at the mercy of the whims of the gayTF. It takes the already vague, indefinite definition of "in the business" and makes it even less clear, and even easier for them to jam you up, where the process is the punishment. Even if the case is open/shut not guilty, you will still be out $10,000 to $30,000 in legal costs, while they get to use your tax dollars to bury you.
The intent of this dumb shit is to make it only legal for folks with an FFL to sell. And they will refuse to issue kitchen counter FFL's, mandating a very high minimum number of sales to maintain that license. It's the same as requiring a tax stamp for an MG, but refusing to issue new stamps for them.
They don't intend to file charges. Ask Bryan Malinowski. That's all of us.
Lol then they get sued for violating your rights using vague nonsensical “rule changes” which really translates to a government agency rewriting laws illegally. However seeing how they did Matt Hoover, they’ll railroad you in court if they can find a corrupt judge so I’ll just make them work for it.
anyone can make a rule, im sure most household's have rules in place. you can choose to follow a rule if you wish, a LAW is different from a rule being you can face criminal charges for breaking a law?
R.I.P. US Constitution, it's been a good run.
Everyone Get Out and VOTE in November TRUMP 2024
ATF American Terror Foundation
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrest, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood that they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. What about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur - what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs [Soviet state institutions] would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!”
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
The Gulag Archipelago
Weird that I don't recall the constitution allowing anyone except congress to make laws.
(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business to predominantly earn a profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
Either the Constitution has allowed the current tyranny, or has been powerless to prevent it. Either way, it’s not coming to save you.
The reason things keep getting worse is because people keep supporting government and politicians [ruling class]. Don't care if they have a red tie or a blue tie. Giving something/someone rights and powers that you and I don't have, is immoral. Imposing your beliefs and ideologies upon others through a 'vote' via the proxy of gov/law is immoral. Justify it however you want, you're just wrong. Say no and back it up.
Stuck behind enemy lines in California
Stuck in enemy AO...United States.
Stuck behind enemy lines in America
Commiefornia
Welcome to the Communist States of Merika
How is merely SAYING you want to sell a gun or would sell someone a gun not protected by the 1A?
So when was the public comment period for this? If there was not one, it is a violation of the APA and thus should be thrown out immediately.
There was one, they got notified that there was thousands of spam comments from one source in the antigun lobby in support of it, the never removed them. Then they removed pro gun comments to make it look like nobody opposed it.
@@Mitch_Conner75926 Figures.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769Yeah the only thing to stop the disarmament agenda will be the guns you possess. They have no intention of stopping it, they will eventually have to force a confiscation which will lead to open war. There’s no way around it. They can ban everything tomorrow but that doesn’t remove anything from the population.
You cant even sell your guns to a FFL with this ruling technically from what I understand. It can only be 1 or all of them at once. No longer can you use them as a way to pay for another purchase.
Violation of the 2nd and 5th Amendments. Private property is private property and the SCA is in violation of the 5th. The ATF has no Constitutional authority to make law, and this rule as well as the SCA is invalid under Article VI paragraph 2 since it is contrary to the US Constitution specifically the Bill of Rights. This unlawful abomination will result in the bloodshed of many more Ruby Ridges and Waco sieges if they are stupid enough to pursue it. Let the lawsuits and gunfights begin. Congress cannot pass law in violation of Article VI paragraph 2 or that law is invalid and it will have to be invalidated in court under these grounds. Otherwise kiss your private property rights and gun rights goodbye. The damage is already done and only the courts can fix it.
Why would anyone sell a gun in times like these?
How no one could see the error in allowing agencies to make "rules" in order to "enforce" laws is beyond me. How could people not understand that it would simply be a means to create any "rules" the agency would claim it "needed" in order to enforce the law, thus bypassing Congress in law making.
It was the 1940's I believe, when this came to pass. It was a different time. Politics weren't yet weaponized, or at least not to the extent they are today.
What we really need is every law should have an automatic sunset provision, and it should have to be reviewed and renewed every so often and maybe, MAYBE, made permanent after X number of renewals. Chances are this would have been made permanent anyway, but maybe it wouldn't have who knows?
And it should be mandatory that ALL of these 'extralegal' agency rules-that-are-totally-not-laws-we-swear be temporary until they can be voted on by Congress.
I know, I know, this is more work for Congress. I honestly don't care if they have to pull 12-16 hour shifts to do their job. Time to make them start earning that pay. Maybe it would inspire them to make less stupid laws.
If private sales have always been legal, then how is a "straw" purchase illegal?
Isnt that just anotjer way of saying its a private sale?
Our founding fathers wrote the solution to the problem of government tyranny in our Bill of Rights. It’s ultimately up to us to use it, otherwise we have no right to complain
We have no country for us
Brotha, the SheeepIe still believe words can sway the NobIe to relinquish power. The NobIes don't respect words, they only respect force.
Your country was stolen from you over a hundred years ago by men with Stein and Berg in their names. You won’t get it back.
I agree but let me know how that works out for you.
@@wwtf7180So if he uses it are you going to back him up or just stand quietly in the back doing nothing? I’m just curious, cause so many people will just spectate and then surrender their arms to be law abiding cucks.
At some point the founders said enough. At some point if the govt is gonna throw ya in a cage for selling a gun maybe you should do everything to not go with them.
Courts and congress needs to get involved in these issues.
They're too busy replacing you.
They are bro! They're the ones upholding and allowing this shit. Always have been. It was never our system. It's always been theirs to control us
You think they have any interest in keeping their citizens free?
@@eightyduece9670 That's a dang good comment, and absolutely true.
the courts and congress are complicit, as they have the power to put a stop to it instantly.
Is there "grandfathering" for sales that occurred 10 years ago?
If they didn’t constantly say and do things to take more and more gun rights away, I honestly wouldn’t be against background checks on principle. It’s totally understandable why no one trusts them, based on their behavior.
Background checks are infringements. Add to that 4473s are a de facto registry of original purchasers.
100% no-go.
***FEDERAL INFORMANTS ENTER THE CHAT***
Feds already here. Recording usernames to ask Google for IP addresses so they can stack up and Waco everyone.
Here to use the 1st amendment to represent my opinion of this instance of federal government's attack on the bill of rights.
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Take that to your supervisor.
If they make it widespread (which they are attempting) instead of isolated incidents as they have in the past, then they will end up having so many vacancies to fill that they won't have the manpower to go door to door. Even the agencies that usually accompany them will say no way
@@the12gaugeshottythis. Anyone who watch certain channels and certain vids.
And they are complicit pricks trying to steal civil rigths.
When is the ATF gonna learn they can't make laws or change the rules as they see fit.
Good luck finding out if someone sold to someone they know well and that won't say they bought it illegally
who cares what they say or do !
"The wolf will hire himself out as a very inexpensive shepherd." Russian proverb
We did not "Get" the right to sell firearms or any other firearms rights in 1791. The 2A is there to (supposed to anyway) prevent the Govt. from infringing on our inalienable human rights to keep & bear arms.
The time to fight is here.
"a license" -- the govenment declares something to be illegal unless you pay a tax and comply with some other regulations which may change on a whim
Let's see them enforce this! 😠
youve allready seen them enforce all other "laws" made by atf. lets see the people enforce the constitutions of their states and the rights therein secured
Why do we keep letting them this to us seriously question to everyone here
WHY EXPLAIN IM TALKING TO THE COMMENT SECTION?
DO NOT COMPLY!
Yeah just become an instant felon
yeah right good luck with that big brother
No rules are legal when contradictory to the 2A.
Thank you Mr Gunner. Of the many 2A influencers you are the only one I have heard say what we need to do. I am so tired of my fellow firearms enthusiasts saying let them come and get them. That is exactly what they are doing. Get out your pen and write a letter. My democratic Senators always respond with a lie.
"...improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection" is the key phrase of that snippet. Doesn't really close a 'gun show loophole'. Main thing now is if "intent to sell at profit" is defined lol.
Why do we just sit here and let the atf do this to us
I suspect I will have to eat a candy bar at my next gun show.
The Little Rock raid was a warning as a hard launch to this rule.
“Let’s Go Brandon”!!! That shirt is LEGIT 🇺🇸
No sane person would prosecute someone for selling property.
It’s ramping up quickly…
Yet you people still think votes are going to solve this 😂🤣
A "rule" does not constitute a law!
Mike please look into Missouri Senate Bill SB727 it is urgent and needs to be opposed.
The biggest reason a liberal can never again be elected president...the ability to choose Federal Appeals Court and SCOTUS justices
Don't sell your gun, but if you do, don't sell them to big mouths. Keep it private and quiet.
We will buy and sell what we want when we want.
The government has no authority to make any laws or regulations against arms per the Constitution of the United States.
We need Trump '24
And need to get rid of the atf
You don't vote your way out of tyranny.
I buy and sell what I want. I'm a free man.
Worst part is WA State gun owners will likely just ignore this, as we had a state law ban private sales in the state already, so this won't affect them.
I actually hope that the this will get overturned in court and may even benefit the gun owners in WA by prividing a clear legal precident on the legality of private sales. Bruen is a great example of a positve outcome of a tyrancial law.
All these conservatives waiting for the Constitution to magically come and save them.