Skagit System for Euro Nymphing Rods // ESN Quick Tip
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Single had spey setup for your Euro rod. I haven't found another rod that is as well suited for this combination as the Beulah G2 Platinum 10'8" 3 weight. It has a stiffer more responsive tip and really seems to be the best fit for a Double Threat rig.
Setup Recipe:
Rod: redsflyfishing...
Reel: redsflyfishing...
Shooting Head 175 Grain OPST Commando: redsflyfishing...
Running Line/Euro Line - 25# RIO Slick Shooter: redsflyfishing...
RIO Spey Versileader 10' 4 ips: redsflyfishing...
I just ordered the full setup from you guys a few days ago because of this video. The idea of having that kind of versatility is very exciting.
Thanks very much, so appreciate the business!
Anyone? Anyone?…Beulah?…Beulah?…
Sorry, couldn’t resist. 🤪
What an awesome setup and video. Great work Joe!
Oh thank you very much, it's a fun ride!
wow nice casts just smooth
Thank you!
Top notch. I watched this when it came out, now I will be implementing.
Thanks so much, it's a fun way to work a river. Fish your way down with the streamer head, nymph your way up for vice versa.
Nice informative video. I have one request; try to frame the shot so that it shows the cast. I’m working on my casts and I’ve found it useful to the casts of experienced fishermen to see the speeds, motion of the wrist and arms, the flight of the line, and the final landing. It is particularly informative when the video is NOT about casting because I think you witness the actual normal everyday casts. Thanks
This is a great video, Joe! Thanks for demonstrating this system!!
Great idea for that unique Beulah rod! Love your content Joe!
Thanks Christian, really appreciate it.
I use my 10ft 3wt Sage Pulse to do this exactly! Sage Trout 678 provides perfect balance and closed frame. I use 25lb amnesia for running/tight line mono. I also love to attach a 10 or so foot leader directly to the shooting head for indicator fishing the top 10 feet of water. Works like a dream when fishing high alpine lakes with no back cast room.
That's a really nice reel for this, I almost went that direction but opted for that Lamson HD Guru 5+ because of cost. That Sage you have a really great reel for this application and the ultra fine running line.
I’m experimenting with a 5ft skagit head on a light mono rig for browns in a spring creek fir getting streamers way out there. These browns are tough to catch right now so the further you can cast and stay back from the fish the better. I’m still playing around with it. So far the best technique for the low clear shallow water browns is to run a 0.007” mono rig with very heavy jig type streamers to get long casts. This technique is actually producing very big fish. It’s just a hard way to fish unless you really stay up on your game. Your video is absolutely intuitive and interesting!!You have my wheels turning and giving me some new ideas. Thanks!!!!!
That's a good idea, a 5' head would carry light mono and for a small body of water that make sense. I'll bet it looks a lot different than this big river we are on out here. Keep up the creativity, sounds like a cool but challenging fishery you are on.
@@redsflyshop thanks a ton!! Appreciate it!!!!!
I use a RIO euro nymph shorty to swap out with the OPST commando head. It allows me to run a more traditional euro leader and fish the tiny euro nymphs easily with a quick change set up.
That's what I've been considering as well. What do you run behind the shorty/commando head? I've been flirting with 3 in 1 idea (shorty/commando head + true to weight 3wt fly line - for nymphs, dries, small streamers), but I think it would cast the commando head like 💩 Opinions?
@@karelnemec8231 I use 25 pound OPST lazer line.
I have the 175 OPST head and would love to try it on this rod with either the crystal bugger jig or Rio's gold jigger. I'm glad Joe shared how to interchange the head to use running line fir euro. Also good tip on lamson reel. Didn't know it was full caged.
Super helpful, especially to have all the products linked under the description.
However… I did not see the versa leader over there. I’ll try to Google it or Amazon it.
Thank you.
Fantastic idea and going to put this into practice
Good idea, I've been trying to figure out a quick change from euro to streamers. A few of my local rivers transition from nymphing riffles to deeper pools with drop offs. It's necessary to carry 2 rods most of the time. Not a problem when I'm floating but on foot it's a pain.
I'd love to see what a set up would be on a TFO Drift rod and how it fishes. I have one of those rods and want to Skagit fish but I'm reluctant on pulling the trigger.
I also use a similar approach with an 11' 7 weight switch road to swing down a section and then pick apart runs with a crystal meth/emerald shiner euro rig back up to my truck.
Thanks Joe. Always great content. I own a 10ft Redington Strike. Will this rod work well for this system? Recommended head size and length?
Thanks again. Shane
Yes it sure will, just go easy on it as tight line style rods have ultralight tips. If you snag the bottom, don't bend the tip too hard.
Hell yea! Nymphing so hot right now getitt
Thrilled to have found this video after Kelly Galloup recommended we euronymphers try one handed trout spey technique. My current euro set up: Sage ESN 10'6" 3 wt, Sage ESN reel with Rio euro line, micro leader 27 feet 3x Adams white euro nymph mono line. Any tweaks to your spey set up required or can I merely connect it in to my euro line via a micro loop?
I would just loop it in buddy, send it. Thanks for the props!
Great video, love Reds fly shop. What commando head grain weight would you recommend for the 10 ft 5 weight recon rod with this technique ?
Joe, I have some questions. I have a Sage ESN 3106., confirming this technique is not the best with this rod? If not, I have a Sage 2109 One Spey rod with both Skagit and Scandi lines and a Sage Trout Spey HD 3110 with a Skagit and Scani for that rod as well. Do I need another Euro rod? I like new rods but do I need it? hope to hear from you. Thank you! Greg
Recently caught my first salmon on a single handed 7w on my local small river with a skagit setup, was curious if the lighter heads would work on my guideline lps 9.9 3w euro rod so gonna try that now :)
This certainly seems like a clever idea at first (and I'll certainly try it out on my 3wt Shadow II. Love those commando heads). But I'm curious - do you think it would be faster/more convenient than just snipping the fly off, reeling in and swapping spools/reels? I've found it to be a real pain removing and storing a 30' mono rig off the end of a WF line when switching between tight line nymphing and fishing dries, primarily because I find I usually end up spending the bulk of the swapping time untangling line. It drives me nuts and sometimes deters me from switching at all, even if the run ideally calls for it. This wouldn't likely be as bad since you're only dealing with shorter leaders. Sure, a second spool/reel takes space, but not much. Curious what you think would take longer. I think I'd rather carry a few extra ounces of gear in my bag of it saves me time (and frustration) on the water
I was thinking the same thing. I also have a 10' 3wt Shadow that I run a fips line on, and have a 150 gr commando smooth on another spool that I just swap out when needed.
How does the Commando cast on this rod?
Well enough with my level of casting skill…mostly a size 10 bead belly leech or small buggar with a 16 soft hackle tied on the bend…
That's a great point about the Smooth option, Ed. I use heads with running line for my two-handers, but really like the commando smooth lines I've got for my 5 and 8wt single handers. Would probably want to get another smooth rather than just the head for the 3wt, so all the more reason to just use a 2 spool/reel set up. Thanks for sharing the consideration
Can you do the same thing with the floating versa leader? Thanks, Jim
Great video Joe. You are always coming up with new
and innovative techniques and ideas. I have an Orvis Recon 10 ft. 3 wt. euro rod. What OPST Commando head would you recommend for it? Is a 150 grain ok or maybe go a bit lighter? Thanks!
150 should work great, you may have to play around with your sink tips. I would suggest 6-7' polyleaders to start and see how they work. Both SA and RIO make some good ones. That would be a good match!
@@redsflyshop Great. Thanks for getting back to me. You guys are awesome!
I have an Echo Shadow II in 4 wt. Do you thing that 175 grain would work okay on that rod or is the tip too soft? I have cast a WF 5wt. on it before and it is a gun!
I have the Winston Euro rod in 10' 3wt. It is much more stout than my Contact II. Do you think this would pair up nicely with 150gr Skagit?
I run a mono rig off of a 4wt floating line on my 11’ 3wt euro rod, but I’ll probably ditch the floating line for a skagit head.
Do you need the slick shooter or can you just shoot with the mono on the reel? Thanks!
I hope I'm understanding you when I say this: The Slick Shooter IS the mono line on the reel. It is acting as my fly line for tight line nymphing.
I've been doing this on the 6 weight 10'8" Thomas and Thomas Contact II for awhile. It works great. But tight line nymphing for Steelhead is better than swinging imo, and way more effective.
Hey! What weight shooting head do you use on the 6 weight 10'8" T&T Contact II when you do swing?
@@cliff-wegner 225 grains Commando. Where are you fishing?
@@comodave5 Thanks! Here in West Michigan... Rogue mostly. I've been really thinking 'bout the Contact II 6wt for Steelhead.
@@cliff-wegner Sweet! I'm fishing the Lake Superior side of Wisconsin and Minnesota. I can't recommend that rod enough - it is incredible! Unless it's on stock at a fly shop, it took T&T six months to build it.
Joe. You da man!!!
Learned this trick for keeping headphone wires from tangling. Figure 8 wind the line by wrapping around your thumb and pinky….shakka winding!!!! Line won’t tangle when unraveling in the current. You heard it here 1st!!
I'll give this a shot!
I use three ties (twisties) that come with a new line and place them 120 degrees apart. If you try hard enough, you can still tangle it but for the most part, it works.
Great video. Going to give this a shot with my Helios 3F. Do you put any backing under the mono shooting line?
Yes I sure do, you don't need much but I think it a good habit.
@@redsflyshop Thanks! Kind of dumb question, but I can't cast very far, so I don't think a 10 inch bow would peel off 80 feet of line on me after my 35 foot cast
Looks like a great idea. How do you think the skagit head would cast with a Redington strike 10' 4 weight? Would you recommend the 175 grain head or a heavier one (eg 200 grain) for the 4 weight? I think the Strike tip might be a little stiffer than other 4 weights. Thank you!
Go with the 175 on that rod, I'm not sure any other Euro rods will launch quite like the Beulah with a Commando but it will still perform and be lots of fun.
@@redsflyshop sounds good. thank you!
I have the Strike 10'6" 3 weight and have used the 200 grain very effectively.
@@kristopherglanville3621 Good to know, guessing with a sinking polyleader?
@@redsflyshopyep!
Will this work with my 10.5 ft. 3 wt. Cortland Euro rod?
Yes absolutely, just be careful with the tip and handling heavy tippet and flies.
Great set up! Will the Skagit head handle a light indicator or floating tip and dries?
No that would get ugly IMO. That is a circumstance in which a traditional WF Floating line is best.
Thanks. I didn’t think so but always worth asking.
would this setup work on Echo Shadow 3 wt.?
Yep, the Shadow is a bit lighter. Be sure to get the 15 head. I'm actually fishing this rig later today.
Hi Joe great video.. I have a 10 year old Beulah 6wt 10’4” switch …could tell me the setup I would use for that rod? Thanks
I would set that up with a 250 grain OPST Head, 12' 96 Grain OPST Sink Tips (riffle, run, or bucket), and a 35# Slickshooter running line. That thing will rocket!
Thanks Joe …Wondering if the rio switch chucker elite would also accomplish this…does the 6wt or 5wt match the 6wt 10’4”platinum switch ? Thanks!!!
@@sebastianfasanello2502 I think you'll find the head on that to be too long especially if you add a sink tip. IN the Switch Chucker Elite - you'll want a #5 for that rod. It's pretty beefed up so a lighter line would be better for the 10'4" rod.
Last question before I put an order in… Do you like the switch chucker line… and like it with that rod. I am fishing tributaries of lake Erie for steelhead. Thanks
@@sebastianfasanello2502 I would like the Chucker line for indicator nymphing and floating lines, but it won't spey cast well with any type of sink tip. For sink tips, spey, on that rod the OPST Commando would be a great match! It would be terrible for indicator fishing.
Do you prefer the slick shooter to opst Lazer
Yes, in this circumstance for sure. I tried the Lazar Line and felt it was a bit too heavy and stiff. IMO
I HAVE A 10 AND 1/2 FOOT 3 WT WINSTON MICRO SPEY AND ITS A GREAT NYMPH ROD WHEN U PUT A REGULAR LINE ON IT
Hey Joe, what weight for my 3wt Sense?
150 Grain Commando with a 7' sinking polyleader. 5' of tippet.
@@redsflyshop Thank you for the response.
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Nice informative video. I have one request; try to frame the shot so that it shows the cast. I’m working on my casts and I’ve found it useful to the casts of experienced fishermen to see the speeds, motion of the wrist and arms, the flight of the line, and the final landing. It is particularly informative when the video is NOT about casting because I think you witness the actual normal everyday casts. Thanks