The Baltimore bridge collapse was 'completely preventable', says Donald Broughton
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2024
- Donald Broughton, Broughton Capital managing partner, joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the Baltimore bridge collapse, the potential logistics and commercial fallout from the collapse, and more.
People in swivel chairs, climatized studios along with hairstylists and makeup artists always have the correct answer for everything!
It’s almost like regulating Tugs would have prevented damage to public infrastructure… I thought the free market would handle all that???
You proposing a solution? Would you live in China or Cuba instead? Beyond that no one knows the details of investigation yet
@bobbobertson7568 o I have been to Cuba. Wonderful people. Gov? Not so popular.... no no common sense regulation is good for the markets long term. That's all I'm saying!
They’re regulated already. Everything that occurred was under state, federal and maritime regulation.
Free market will demand regulating tugs now if the company responsible has to pay for all of the damages caused
The State of Maryland could have put up protective barriers for the bridge for a whole lot less money than they are about to have to shell out for a new bridge. You would think the Tampa Bay Skyway bridge would have taught everyone this lesson.
They aren't shelling out a dime. Joe said the US taxpayers will be paying for it
It's probably going to cost US$5 billion and at minimum four years to replace the bridge if they decides to build something similar to the stayed-cable Sunshine Skyway Bridge in the Tampa bay area.
EXACTLY....tugs till beyond the bridge
The process is too slow. It takes 45 minutes at 9 knots an hour just to get past the bridge after leaving the dock. With Tugs that would be twice as long in a busy harbour.
@@reallifelebowski4732 and the result is...Ta Daaaa
@@guthrieservices2705 The entire 'Tug Boat' spin is for casuals or know nothing armchair academics that have no clue what they are talking about. My dad is a retired tug captain and he said it's an absolute impractical impossibility to have tugs pull vessels out past that bridge in the Baltimore Harbour. As is it takes 45 minutes for the average large boat to get out to where that bridge is once it leaves dock and that's at 9 knots an hour . With tug assistance it would take twice as long in that harbour that is already too busy and congested. It's the same logic where some people say all passenger planes should have parachutes. The guy talking here is a misinformed embarrassment. It's not only a fiscal impossibility it's a logistical impossibility. And accidents do happen in all shapes or forms.
@@reallifelebowski4732 I think you mean expensive rather than impossible.
I Don't know that 'towing' is required, but having a tug (or two) readily at hand as escort(s) for exactly this sort of problem, might be considered prudent by others. And BTW, your effort to 'shame' me away from my opinion as a 'know nothing armchain academic' who has 'no clue' is certainly your opinion...it is not however, my opinion
PS: As you dad would likely tell you a 'knot' is 1 nautical mile per hour
@@guthrieservices2705 I never meant to undermine you. I was talking about the guy in the video who professed to be an expert. Sorry if you took it wrong. I appreciate your opinion actually and you are correct these 100 -170 TON ships should be escorted but my dad said it's not time efficient or economically feasible. My dad worked in San Fran but he is well aware that Baltimore harbour is is beyond busy. He is also of the opinion that a tug's help might not of prevented that accident anyways. Keep in mind a captain of a ship and a tug's captain work hand in hand with a ship that is control. In this case that 100 ton vessel was out of control .Anyways CHEERS keep up the good work . And fundamentally you are 100% correct in theory according to my dad
Joe immediately wants to blame regulation for the collapse of the bridge. Most disasters happen because of deregulation. Sillicon valley bank, east palestine and also at quality problem of boeing. There need to be more regulation otherwise these disasters will continue to happen.
Not saying that this disaster happened because of deregulation just want to point out joe really thinks regulation causes these accidents to happen
You forgot to mention - I"m sure b/c there are just too many to list - the MOST relevant deregulation disaster to CNBC. The 2008 financial crisis brought to you by let the smart bankers do what they do best.
@@harrynamkoong3361 Exactly. The government deregulates the wrong things. In the '80s they were bribed to deregulate the financial sector, and it has been an ongoing disaster ever since. It takes about three generations for people to forget to never trust bankers. Now we have a new Depression.
Get real. Government is full of incompetence. They're good at taking drunken lunch siestas but not much else
I would like to know your source that has the president blaming regulation for the Baltimore bridge collapse. In the midst of the tragedy of the loss of life, and those impacted economically in the Baltimore are, you chose to insert hyperbole, if not downright lies. What regulation specifically is the culprit here. Pick a side. I thought the presidents stance against deregulations was the offense of the day. Either way, he has made no comments about what caused this tragedy as the investigation is on going. What he did say is that this was not a terrorist attack based on investigation.
@@Therealstorm-ht7wf The "Joe" is Joe Kernen the CNBC anchor on this video not Joe Biden
This all adds up to one thing: Economic disaster, not for US as a whole, but for the Port and the City of Baltimore
Depends how quickly they can open the channel. Weeks vs months.
Rerouting? Well, that sounds expensive.
In a situation where a ship is departing the dock and transiting through an area such as this bridge proper operating doctrine SHOULD demand that a Tugboat assist the ship until it is past the bridge.
YESSSSSSS! Retired USN Bosn ship loses engines or just gets out of channel Tugs will push or hold in Channel!
A tug can't really do anything for a ship proceeding at over 8 knots. The tug would certainly not have been made fast to the ship at this speed outward bound. To have been able to to do anything in this incident it would have had to have been in exactly the right position relative to the ship and could only have been able to push up against the ship's side, which at 8 knots may not have been very effective. The best the tug could have done would have been to push against the ship's port quarter steering the ship away from the bridge pier.
thats crazy too , goin so fast so close to structures and land.
@@kelusitepitbeautifulwoman4154 If the ship wasn't doing the speed it was it would have been uncontrollable. There was nothing wrong with the speed.
Exactly But no Tugs! While transiting under bridge? 8 Knots way to fast! USN max 4 Knots with Tug escorts then if ship goes DIW tugs can keep in Channel yes Large Amphibs under Coronado Bridge San Diego! Human error No Tugs? Retired Bosn USN!
There seems to be a basic issue around when and how tugs are used. There are times when ships cannot or should not use their propulsion systems. So this discussion about intercepting or engaging with a vessel moving under its own power is irrelevant to the discussion. It seems that time and cost are always the enemy of preventable catastrophic accidents.
Wrong explain USN ships avg speed 4 Knots in Channels. Retired USN Bosn traveled all over the world on Large Amphibs. Under Coronado Bridge San Diego approx 100 times. P.s Always Tugs alongside under bridge!@@simonjohn9525
Preventable that tugs can slow down trades
You can see the ship turn straight into the pier when he throws it into reverse. Better to have gone forward and maintained rudder control.
Very common around the world to have a tug required to escort these vessels through critical infrastructure……with a tug escort, the pilot could have completely avoided the bridge. U.S. Navy pretty much requires a tug to assist Navy vessels.
But that would be rEguLaTiOn.
Damn Right USN Retired Bosn! Ship loses engine or just cant stay in channel tugs will push back to Avoid hitting Bridges, Piers, other ships, boats etc!
@@thomasgentry6201tugs cannot redirect a ship that large and going that speed back into the channel when it has lost power and steering capabilities. The tugs would also be in danger in such a situation.
Bullxxx! Imfo you are spouting is false. Retired Bosn USN 20 yrs on very large Amphibs. Reason so called experts stating because of liability for No Tugs alongside!@@Kris-ib8sn
Going into reverse was a fatal mistake - you lose all steering. There was no way that ship was going to stop in time. Should have gone full speed ahead, rudder hard over, and maybe could have gotten back into the channel and missed the bridge. The captain panicked.
May not have reversed. She actually makes a slight turn to port right before contact. Need to wait for a report that isn't rumor. Months, maybe a couple of years. Not days.
There’s nothing the pilot could have done to prevent the crash. Who can stop a 135,000 ton marine vessel immediately. ?! Even putting the transmission in reverse.
Donald ''stating the bleedin' obvious'' Broughton.....🙄🙄🙄 These so-called TV experts spout such nonsense sometimes...
You can go onto the professional captain forums and they are saying the same thing. 1. Bridge barriers, or tugs accompanying ships through the bridges. Two things that are done at other bridges all over the world.
Oh, the poor ports. It’s hard to feel sorry for a port…
He had the breaks on before it was headed at the bridge, still heading out to sea. Deliberate turn.
The construction standard for bridges in this type of environment was updated after the 1980 collapse of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa Bay, Florida. Basically the bridge foundations were not protected give the increased size of MV over the past 40+ years. Tugs would not be able to prevent a 100000 DWT ship from striking the foundation in such a short distance.
This is why I watch Squawk Box and not the other bs morning talk show...You get the straight story.
What ever reason Tugs escorting Ship under bridge once ship goes DIW or loses engine Tugs can push and keep it in Channel! Retired USN Bosn under Bridges all over World to include Hundred times under Coronado Bridge San Diego.
Full astern is the mistake the Titanic made. It started to turn after two miles. Starboard anchor would have worked and the captain didn't know that ?
You’ve been watching too much Battleship.
@@iansinclair7581 I've been too busy playing saying woe that's not how I was taught it was. Nothing worse than a trained "expert" . Could you have turned that boat that fast if you wanted to? I mean on accident?
@@user-bx8nn5rl5w If you can get a long version of the accident then have a look. One thing none of the press coverage mentions is the local weather and prevailing currents at the time. The only thing I have heard is that it was around low water so currents would not be much of a factor. The Dali was pretty much full of containers so the effect of wind will have to be considered. In my opinion the ship is being pushed off the desired course by the wind. Dropping the port anchor was to stop this drift to starboard towards the bridge. They ran out of distance and time. With hindsight if they got the engines going it may have been better to go hard to port to get the bow away from the bridge and then put the rudder to starboard and flip the stern clear of the bridge pier. As they say hindsight is a wonderful thing. I am not getting at the Pilots or the Master they did what they thought they could do. That will be for any inquiry to do. One question I would ask is, did the Dali take on bunkers in the port. One of the things I do know is that a ship blacking out like that is pointing me to contaminated fuel or changing over from MDO to HFO too soon. I’m a retired Master and Operations Superintendent. I have been Master on large windage ships, 300m LNG vessels.
@@user-bx8nn5rl5w my reply to you has somehow disappeared. Basically if the got the engines going which they did they could have gone hard to port on the rudder and ahead on the engines to get the bow clear of the bridge pier. Then go to opposite helm to swing the stern clear of the bridge pillar. This is not criticism of the pilots or Master they did what they thought was right. They ran out of time and distance. As we all know hindsight is a wonderful thing.
@@iansinclair7581 true. With engine forward. They reverse prop and lost rutter wash. Same thing the Titanic did. Took two miles to start to turn. At half the weight and 30 meters shorter.
2 tugs assisted the MV Dali in leaving the docks and turning into the shipping channel before setting the ship free. Tugs cost money. Anyone in company managements or government bureaucracies who insisted tugs should remain with ships until all bridges were cleared, at least before today, would have been demoted to a basement desk.
They would have been accused of overregulating. But these chiselers won't say that.
Most accidents of that magnitude are preventable.
The main power never came back on. Limited generator back up power kicked in
How many ports does the US have? Port not in top 10 or 20. Yes. Let’s talk about market share.
It's top 20, but about 4% the size of the top 3. The ports nearby, several of which this moron failed to mention, can easily absorb the loads being diverted from it.
To narrow, needed tug assist...
Tugs make ships wider. More dolphins around the pylons might have helped.
Loser media, again. Nothing but assumptions and stupid guesses. Calling this, "completely preventable" is as correct as calling this a deliberate act without having obtained any facts about the incident yet.
Yes immigrants working for our country
An expert Monday morning quarterback right there!
So all forklift drivers are drunks and come to work drunk? But now it's a real job, one that excludes these drunk forklift drivers? What a piece of s***.
he said "more sober than everyone else" ???
You sound like an angry drunk/forklift driver. His point was that logistics has become much more of a science in recent decades
If the bridge, in the first place, was designed and constructed properly, this disaster would not have happened.
Hazardous materiel ban from tunnel is common sense. Plenty of disasters written in deaths due to tunnel fires.
Bill their insurance company, not the Social Security fund 😒
Oh, I get it! The ANCHOR'S didn't work?!
anchors with engines at full reverse still have a window of time required. Catastrophic failures often do not allot time to stop or change course. A car can change course or be brought to a complete stop faster than an 18 wheeler. However, they both are unable to prevent collision when power is lost, leaving them "powerless" to counteract the laws of velocity.
Anchors aren't magic. It's the weight of the chain that does most of the holding, and a light current plus wind can make an anchored ship drift with both anchors out. This one was fully loaded and moving at serious speed. The anchor was an attempt to keep her from veering to starboard, which was happening because of hydrodynamics as the channel profile widened on that side, reducing the backpressure there.
@@blairhoughton7918 Exactly. You build up pressure on each side of the hull going through a narrow channel. She lost power just before the the main channel intersected the Curtis Bay channel on her starboard side relieving pressure on that side. Only power and rudder can overcome that force.
Oddly, both of these fine gentlemen sound like they have consumed a few stiff bourbons on the rocks before this report. I know that is not true, but just play this back and listen again.
Like he said, the Port of Baltimore is Done. So, there is no need for a really tall bridge anymore.
What about the C&D canal.? Should be able to bring ships in that way.
Is this channel always this bad?
It seems like is more simple than what's being said. Don't they know how high the contents on the boat are and how high the bridge is? Anything else in this conversation is silly.
A lot of guess work after the crash.
Steel beams most likely from Historic Homestead Woks USS Pgh marks on beams sell for nice money
“Preventable” he says. If they used tugs, he says. But not why tugs weren’t used. Joe should’ve pushed harder on this point. I realize this is business show but he raised the “preventable” issue and should have been challenged to explain further.
Don't build the bridge back cheaper to build a road around the bay
The SFO Bay Bridge was rebuilt in a matter of Months.....IE....The I80 bridge going into SFO........So with a hugh National effort This Bridge will take no longer...............Paul
The tunnel has nothing to do with the harbor. You have never been allowed to take hazardous material through a tunnel. Nothing coming into the harbor has to go through the tunnel. There are three roads away from the port that do not go through the tunnel. The tugs pulled off just before they go under the bridge, the lane through is not wide enough, for the tugs and the ship. Just another rich guy who has no idea how the world works.
I expect this Rusty Old Fragile Bridge Had years of Severe Metal Fatigue and led to Quick Collapse...Just probably hidden from Bridge inspections if any.
No. It was likely designed with 100-200% overload margins. But removing an entire pylon on a span that long would shoot the loading on the truss to the moon.
This so called expert knows nothing about bridges over navigable waters of the US, which is governed by the Rivers and Harbors Act among other laws. That law has been on the books for more than 100 years. As I recall, the law came into effect after bridges like the Brooklyn Bridge with built in the 19th century! The Coast Guard and U.S. Army Corps was intimately involved in permitting the original construction of this bridge in Baltimore.
Anyone that engineers structures in this waterborne navigation arena knows that bridge pier protection "dolphins" are absolutely essential. Unfortunately, we (the public, the bridge owner/operator, or apparently the Coast Guard) have no control over the ships, which should have redundant power systems. A power or systems failure should not cripple a ship, but they do if the ship is not properly designed or maintained.
With the enormous investment in these large bridges, there must be protection of the bridge from errant ships. It's a given a ship will hit the bridge pier, sooner or later. The Baltimore bridge will cost hundreds of millions, if not more than a billion dollars to replace. All could be avoided but for the cost of investing about $20M in bridge protection dolphins.
The bridge owner is at much at fault as the ship owner. It is horrendously negligent to not provide bridge pier protection dolphins for a bridge that is not only important to shipping, but carrying the public on the roadway.
There are dolphins, but they're placed kind of far ahead of the pier, and assume the ship is heading straight down river. This ship slipped right past and hit the pier.
But someone did get dolphins built, and were probably prevented from building a proper wall of them by someone who whines about taxes and government spending more than is safe and healthy.
@@blairhoughton7918 Those "dolphins" are not more than window dressing. Too small, too few, and too far away to stop a container ship of this size. I imagine the engineers for the bridge knew this, but at some point, the budget was not allocated to something that "would never happen".
it was NOT preventable...he tried to steer but you cant without power. It was an accident.
This dope doesn't know anything. His purpose is to yup the gratuitous crack against regulation.
The prevention for this goes deeper. It's probably bad fuel, which is a known problem for ships fueling in American ports, because of - wait for it - a lack of regulation encouraging refiners to dump plastic sludge into fuel deliveries. Modern diesel ships can't burn it, unlike old steamers.
a preventable accident
he meant if tugs were pulling the vessel, there would have been no collision; He is not saying a tug would have been able to stop or change course of this powerless floating, moving skyscraper in time to avoid collision.
@@Therealstorm-ht7wf If turtles were pulling the vessel, it still wouldn't be cost efficient.
Narrow channels under bridges usually have fenders (the curved wooden walls inside the piers).
Somehow nobody thought, or more likely nobody was able to convince stingy legislators to pay for, a proper protection system for an important piece of infrastructure.
@@blairhoughton7918 While all your points may be valid, they completely dance around the statement. Can tugs be used to maneuver ships through narrow channels and openings, thus eliminating the possibility of the ship striking a structure at speeds that would cause catastrophic outcomes. The simple answer is yes. Cost is subjective.I am 100 per cent certain, the loss of life, revenue, environmental impact, loss of public confidence and finally cost of salvage and reconstruction is going to be hard to ignore. The estimated price tag is 2 billion for salvage and reconstruction alone. The Valdez accident produced permanent changes, in spite of cost to enact those changes. This accident will either do the same, or it will be business as usual.
Yes, Yes it was.
Do some research people the US has fallen well behind in its capabilities of handling the new classes of container ships. To minimize Baltimore’s harbor is a joke. 890,000 vehicles alone. Never mind the other products.
Remember this guy when prices go up and delays occur and they blame it on this crash.
The main thing from this guy: pigs love pythons.
Profit margin is big display
This guy is a snob
X10
A Donald is a Donald is a Donald.
For a transportation guy he dosent even know what a pilot is. Cargo captians can only captian thier ship to the open water. Then a pilot boat goes out with, you guessed it, a pilot. That pilot is an expert in the local harbor waters and is the responsible captian of that ship to port and from port. I work on the comuncation systems of cargo ships and have come to Port with the pilot on bord. This guy is a nob! And what if the tug lost power? It's an accident. Until investigators say othwise, like the cargo ship company knowingly not doing crucial updates and preventative maintenance of the ship. That is a massive issue in this industry becaus the companies don't want the ship stopped for more that a day for maintenance, put some ductape on it and keep making money!
Would the business component of a "Ports Authority" have forseen the risks that seem to have been overlooked ?
Another " Monday morning quarterback"? Now all the Experts speak out! This term originated in American football and refers to someone who criticizes or gives advice about a game after it has been played. In the News world, a Monday morning quarterback could be someone who provides commentary or critisism after the fact.
Ya. If they hadn't dropped port anchor it would have gone straight through the 3/4 mile gap.
Still would've turned. It was following a narrow channel which puts pressure on each side of the hull as it displaces the water in the channel. It lost power just before the main channel intersects the Curtis Bay channel on its starboard side. That intersecting channel would relieve the pressure built up on the starboard side and the pressure built up on the port side would have still pushed the ship to starboard. You need power and rudder to overcome that force, they were doomed as soon as they lost that ability.
@@wally7856 that would be like the wind blowing a freight train sideways. It took two miles for the Titanic to START to turn , under power. The only way to turn that sharp is to clubhaul. The starboard anchor would have done the opposite.
@@user-bx8nn5rl5w Titanic wasn't in a narrow channel. Hydrodynamics of channels is a thing and can turn the largest of cargo ships quickly. You must remember the Evergiven in the Suez canal. Turned her sideways in one boat length.
the ship steered directly into the bridge support. With the clear intent to bring it down.
This guy just comes across as the prototypical armchair expert 😂😂
He doesn’t know anything about what happens on a ship. The ship that preceded this ship from the harbor was without tugs. The tugs were returning to their home base.
The edacity to only make it about the stakeholders and not mention the effect's on the population! It took them 5 min into this before they mentioned the effect on the people. There is no way that the cleanup should take more than a few days to get the waterway open!
Most of what he said transpired is wrong.
Correct.
Can't tell if Captain Hindsight or Captain Obvious..
That was on purpose I think. We hope the investigation leads to the true of the matter...praying for the families 😢❤😢
Stop listening to right-wing media.
Just think of the 6 illegal migrants as "Insurgents" in Afghanistan/Iraq when being blasted by US Heroes. Did ya feel anything about family in car turned into red liquid after approaching too fast at check point of our wonderful troop's?
Lol Joe trying to blame regulation when lack of regulations contributed to this
Worst reporting ever. Nothing these people stammer into their mics makes any sense.
Joe blah blah question 42 seconds long
Is he always drunk on air? I don't watch CNBC very often. He used to be pretty sharp and animated. Finding out conservatism is a lie has taken a lot out of him.
This guy has NO CLUE about shipping operations and shouldn’t drivel on about things he knows NOTHING ABOUT!
"The captain threw the engine in reverse and basically stalled it."
It is comments like this that tells you this guy doesnt really know anything about how ships work.
Liberals are crying because Trump called Nikki Haley “birdbrain” and said all her supporters are “RINOs unworthy of MAGA” 😂
Less drunk and get promoted😂
Oh this is all just nonsense!! How would we send $2.5billion to Ukraine if we spent money on America...hahaha, get real.
Our patriotic duty is to support the American Military Industrial Complex not spend money on silly things like the falling down roads, bridges, highways, national parks, air ports, passenger rail etc etc etc etc lol
That's the state's jobs.
Pink Tie Trump supporter talking to Paper Cut no nothing talking about things they know NOTHING about. Riveting television
I live in Baltimore. About 20 mins from this bridge. Been across it many times plus under it while boating. This should never have happened! Why did he attempt a 2nd time to go under? He should have anchored at the 1st time of power failure. He headed directly for the main piling. Why should WE,the American people,rebuild this bridge? The country of origin should be held responsible. Bot only that,this same container ship was involved in several accidents before this one. FBI comes to scene" accident,no investigation". Transportation Secretary rates it as " racism". Where do we get theses people? Is this why WE THE PEOPLE pay them big bucks? PEOPLE DIED . Someone needs to be held accountable. Biden is great for spending taxpayer money. He's done it for years!! Ask an illegal! This was gross negligence on the part of the cargo ship. Not racism or any other damn- fool garbage that they try to feed us. As Biden would say," C'mon man!"
It was? But didn't see the light of day until kt hell