now we need the challenges where you A: always choose the option that is lowest on the tier list B: always choose the option that is highest on the tier list B might actually be hard given that you are being forced to ignore synergies, even if the picks are good
I feel like this wouldn’t be that fun to play since you would have almost no control over the outcome of the game. I think it would be more interesting if you were allowed to skip as well.
If we had a tier list for every rouge like aliensrock played. Him and his editors (I don’t think he edits his own videos) would have a lot of work put out for them.
The one thing that I think makes fossil and eldritch creature better is that 1 eat increases all of them. So getting one, and getting it up to say, +7 and getting another, that one is also +7, such instant value.
True, but that is relying on getting another rare/very rare symbol to come up again. This isnt very common at all, and you would only take Frozen Fossil if you already have an eldritch, if for some reason you have 2 hexes. Eldritch is also really good for the final boss fight since it gets rid of hex of destruction, which could absolutely ruin your run if it gets rid off one of your key symbols. Frozen Fossil IMO is in its correct place, and I would put Eldritch in lower S tier rather than A tier due to how horrible that hex of destruction in the landlord fight could be.
Barely ten minutes in, and I already have to say: THANK YOU editors for actually editing a tier list! I despise when people do a tier list and expect you to know everything they are talking about, so they never show you examples of what they are talking about. Not only does that leave less knowledgeable people completely confused, but it just makes watching the list very bland and boring, which it doesn't have to be. I mean, rankings and tier lists are conceptually the same type of video, but why is it that the former is treated with so much more care? So again, thanks for not making it a 1 hour snooze fest right off the bat.
I clicked this video for two reasons, I wanted to hear you talk for an hour, and two was learning more about the game so I have something more than visual and auditory satisfaction from watching you play, both wishes were fulfilled
Something that I don't think Tyler acknowledged about Eldritch Creature/Frozen Fossil is that it can be pre-fed by just removing hexes, witches, and cultists with tokens and each eat or removal buffs *each* EC/FF.
I've never had that be more than a +1 to the eldritch creature tho, it basically just means you can spend a removal token on the landlord's hex of destruction without waiting for the eldritch creature to eat it
It _might_ be worth noting that the Dwarf and Monkey pay out based on the destroyed symbol's value _when that symbol was destroyed._ It is this distinction that allows for a potentially funny "Volleyball" interaction: You can have an "Increases any symbol" effect like Arrows, Buffing Capsule, or even Midas Bomb increase both the Dwarf/Monkey and its target symbol _at the same time_ to basically square the multiplier applied to the Dwarf/Monkey; Buffing Capsule and Bronze Arrow become 4x, Silver Arrow becomes 9x, Golden Arrow becomes 16x, and Midas Bomb becomes FORTY-NINE-X. With Dwarf _(Dwarven Anvil)_ and Wine, you can use [what I'm assuming to be] a -quadratic- algebraic formula for an absolutely hysterical spike: *x=(40+20y)z²* Y is the additive bonus a Wine has accumulated. Happy Hour counts as +1 for Y's purposes. Z is the increase to be double-stacked; stuff like Arrows, Buffing Capsule, and Midas Bomb. It is this quadratic potential that makes it a surprise that Dwarf would be in F-tier. While it's not consistent like the growballs, it seems like it would at least deserve a low-D... How hard would you say it is to set up Dwarven Volleyball-gebra? EDIT - So I, uh, forgot about the Wildcard and Copycat when posting that above formula... If you somehow get a Wildcard or Copycat during a Dwarven Volleyball-gebra run, you can have your booster increase a straight line of Wine, Dwarf, and Wildcard to have the booster *CUBE THE WILDCARD.* 4x/9x/16x/49x becomes 8x/27x/64x/343x. I guess the only drawback of this is that if you use Copycat, the run's likely to be Cat% instead of Volleyball.
I think the issue with doing this is it's generally a one or two time thing that you actually get to work, it's not very sustainable and generally much worse when the combo does go off. That's why wildcard/copycat versions work so well, they don't destroy the symbol, so they can be used over and over, plus spamming the symbol makes it more reliable
In defense of eldrich creature is that its the only eater that you can safely take multiple of. They'll all be worth the same value and it also increases the odds of hexes being destroyed by them, buffing every eldrich in your deck. I think it's low S-tier. You take the very rare and you can probably find frozen fossils along the way later.
Well, another thing, I like at least, about the Item Cap is that it removes some of the common items from the item pool to give you a higher chance of seeing the higher tier items as you go
I don't believe it does, actually. If you would ever be offered a Common item and there aren't any more in the pool, then you'll simply be offered a Pool Ball. You can even be offered 3 Pool Balls for your rent payment item if you've managed to empty the Common pool entirely and don't have any luck buffs by then! So if you're hunting for a specific Common item, it obviously helps search for it faster, but otherwise it doesn't improve your odds at finding any rarer items
@@alliebonesVODs actually I don’t think it does that anymore. For me, when I ran out of commons it just started giving me duplicates. So like, two pizza the cats so you get +2 etc
Really good video and loving all the explanations you give to all the tiers and picks. I feel like a few of them you will say one thing about a symbol and then put it in a tier that doesn't make any sense given your justifications on it or other items, especially when it comes to flexibility. For example: - You put billionaire in C tier despite it only being useful with one item - You put Jester an entire tier below honey but I feel like jest is a much more interesting lynchpin item. Honey does give a huge one time boon on a bear but in any other case it just gets 3-4 if it's next to a bee. Jester similarly is a 3 per with additional upside with a narrow use case symbol, but having several suits has a higher upper limit, plus there are a whopping 4 different suit cards so they make up a really large part of the uncommons pool. The jester also has synergy with comedian and an indirect synergy with things like card shark. It's at least much better than bartender because it *can't* put beers in your pool lol. - Coconut half is literally the same exact thing as orange and has an additional common eater vs a very rare eater and you put orange an entire tier above it. - Target and Sanddollar are very similar but target has 3 different S tier symbols to work with instead of one. The only difference is diver has a little bit more adjacency area.
Nearly all of this makes sense, works and is basically how I play. Opinions: I give more value to Miner for early game value, low D or lowest D. However- Buffing capsule is always X2, and the void items only give 2 coins less then wealthy capsule and give empties value, AND have some insane synergy with their essence and item-related buffs. I'd put buffing capsule above bronze arrow because its always going to hit something, and arrows rarely if ever work out for me personally. It's a feelings game, really. And the void items below wealthy capsule, because they are slightly worse, or one above wealthy capsule, because they have SO much more synergy. It's good quick cash. Actually- spirit is like a directly better bubble, so I'd probably put that one above bubble. Its quick, great cash, and always a great rare if you lack rerolls from spending them all or randomly- its great if you have any empty space to fill. Its a directly better bubble that might-maybe get better.
Void items early game are 3-8 coin rolls as well roughly speaking when considering the empties around them, which is something to consider for only an uncommon. They are great, really.
This video helped me so much that not long after watching, I've gone from not being able to complete a run to 4th floor and still going. Really well put together video. Thanks!
I think that the devs of Luck Be A Landlord could look at this video and balance the game around the lackluster synergies. I myself can come up with a few ideas to either buff these bad symbols or add new symbols/items to make the existing ones connect better to numerous possible synergies.
There will always be bad symbols, something has to be last. As is, the bad symbols are still interesting and occasionally still worth taking, which is good game design.
@@livelyy. You are right that something has to be last, but I think that there is still room to improve considering that some of these symbols are not worth taking on average. I feel like if symbols like Miner, Dwarf and Mouse just gave more for their eats, at least they would be more "high risk high reward". The way they are now is more like "high risk low reward" which is bad game design.
Just completed my first Level 20 game & came straight to watch this. Really interesting and well made video. The big stand out for me was your placing of Miner. I've won 75% of my games with 1 or 2 Miners. It's definitely a strategy that can succeed. Looking forward to playing the game further to explore new combos.
Diver became my fav symbol as I got into higher levels. Being able to spam grab anchors, snails, crabs and turtles in early game; then later 2 coin jellyfish, sand dollars, pufferfish, and of course oysters+pearls really helped with the 3 blocked spaces on the reel. Everything they eat gives some sort of bonus coin or token, so you can grab all their "food" early on. Happy to see you put them in S tier.
I love that I had a choice between Diamond and Golden arrow. I obviously took Golden arrow, but then it ended up pointing outside to board for the next 16 turns and I lost, the diamond would've had me in the game for longer.
Dove is actually the best bird in my opinion. :( It goes extremely well with swapping device, or even in general if you are doing an eater build. I think that it is at least A tier. Also, you have to remember that if it stops an eater from eating, the eater still gets the effect of eating. Same with capsules.
Basically turns all capsules into hustling capsules without the payment required (except essense ofc) as well as their additional effect. Definitely underated on the list as it can definitely carry runs in the mid to late game and I've never had a time I've been disappointed by it.
FYI, the Hex of Draining and Hex of Thievery are switched in the tier list - you can hear Tyler talking about the Hex of Draining being 1.2 on average and Hex of Thievery being situationally good when it should be the other way around.
Holy smokes this editor. 32:01 who has the time to change something so tiny that 99% of people would never notice, I didn’t even hear Tyler flip his words until i rewatched that part to read the text that caught my eye from changing.
i did a successful floor 20 cultist build while watching this lol, i like cultist more than most give it credit you get 3 or more which isn’t hard and thats really good money. endgame you see a frozen fossil or straight up eldritch creature and your super set for that too, which is what i did i had 2 frozen fossils pop right at the landlord fight having 8 cultists and i was smooth sailing the entire time up to and during the landlord fight
I would put eldrich creature a little higher just because of getting more them one get it same scaling as one already on board. It scales from how many are in removed/destroyed pile, not how many it eats, so it can snowball extremely fast.
I've been considering making my own tier list for the game and I ended up disagreeing with this list more than I expected, but not by a lot My main points of conflict is just due to how I'd evaluate each symbol, as someone who's grinding the achievements any strategy that could and has resulted in a guillotine essence win instantly goes up in my own rankings (e.g. owl). I myself would also split each of the rarities into different lists It seems you got hex of draining and hex of thievery mixed up. I do however believe they're pretty close in value, as thievery's downsides are one of the easiest to work around between witches, tax evasion and ritual candle I feel you undervalued the scaling of pear and amethyst. While I agree they are very bad without something to buff them, they very quickly become on par with the eaters once/if you do. And once they have a larger base value, each subsequent buff becomes better and better Still enjoyed the video!
I think you underrate dove, also, dove protecting capsules does nothing because their effect trigger when destroeyed. Basically dove works the best when you don't want symbols removed as much as you like the effects on their destruction, perfects example: bears and honey. Dove also pairs well with eaters that get a permamet buff from destroying symbols because then you get +2 and said item will get triggered again. It also works really well with spirits. In my honest opinion it deserves the bottom of C tier. Also dwarf... you ignored the part where he is the only eater that gives x10 gold of symbols value (except midas bomb, but well, it's midas bomb), which means you can get amazing values from him. Another thing you forgot, this time about eldritch. It accounts what symbols you have in a destroyed/removed pool, it's the only scalling symbol that doesn't need to eat them directly, meaning you can grab a bad symbol and then instantly remove it. It also means multiple of them are much better than even the pirate. For that eldritch deserves S tier
I gotta disagree for amethyst, I think it's better than some of the eaters. If you even just have one arrow, the amethyst has the potential to carry you through the whole game. It starts out giving more than the geologist and Mrs. Fruit, making it less of a potential burden before each of them get started, and it can continue to be doubled in value by the dame, whereas there's no symbol that doubles the value of faces. That can't be overstated enough btw, being adjacent to one dame is equivalent to the geologist simultaneously being adjacent to a shiny pebble and having an arrow pointing at him in the same turn. Also, it doesn't share the geologist/Mrs fruit weakness of being harder to feed in the late game, because of how frequently you find rare symbols
I gotta disagree on putting Bronze Arrow in S tier. Nothing you said about it is wrong, it's just every time I use the damn thing it points off screen and does nothing, so I have a personal vendetta against it lmao
Bounty Hunter is kinda insane with Essence but I guess that is too rare to justify taking it lol. Wanted Poster Essence turns him into a stronger Zaroff with Zaroff’s contract
goldfish slept on imo, given that fish tank is basically a ridiculously common eater that takes no space (on top of being good in the likely event you get soap/bubbles early on, even if toddlers are more reliably good and also do that (granted toddlers give nearly a third of the payout and zaroff(s contract, if youre crazy) and comedian being the only way out)) i could just be seeing fish tank way more than im supposed to, i guess
Lots of accidental poetry in this video. "The diamond is better than the dame", "above the chick, below the chicken", "the potential is better than the child itself"
Eldritch Creature is good because the extra money it gives by eating is shared between all other Eldritch Creatures, it's different from a geologist or diver that needs to be fed separately every time you pick it.
okay before the video starts I want to make a bit of a prediction. I think diver is such a strong strategy it is S tier, it has so many good symbols to "eat" and *nearly* all of are greater then 1 pers. ya got anchor which is like the best common. In early floors I will take a snail or a turtle if I think i'll make rent before they first go off. sand dollar, puffer, and jelly are 2 pers + something when diver eats. crab can just be a crab build or for the diver. fish eats bubbles now and also have fish bowl which is an amazing early game essence. Oyster and pearls are kinds the only "bad" eats for diver Like diver has become so good the pearl has become the last starting symbol for me to remove on the chance that I get diver. So all the symbols are good at getting you past 375 gold, and then diver will carry you the rest of the way. easy S tier. I didn't even take into account that most things diver eats beastmaster will buff too, only really solidifies for me that every symbol that feeds diver needs more respect on their names
I think this tier list needed another axis, either the optimal point to add each symbol, how synergy dependent the symbol is, or how consistent the item is throughout all phases
I have won a single miner build and that wasn't really because of the miner, but because I had a geologist and three golems in 5 turns. Without the 2 miners, the board would've been to full.
I once had a dwarven anvil dwarf, with Kyle the kernite, to help out feeding my geologist. Every time he broke an ore, he gave 40. Which is just a much better version of that lol. Obviously though this also is a super circumstantial synergy.
I think you succeeded well in this said goal of balancing out consistency and viability and the power of the items. I too think items that are meant for lategame and still not easy to execute are by default worse than the average item because on average you won't get any benefit from using them.
I got lucky with a hex of destruction today. Got it quite early, and in the first spin it ate my gambler and got me those coins before I could get a dice. Then it ate my dwarf, which was actually the biggest loss. But the next 3 spins... It ate 3 duds. More space for me! Wohoo. I "retired" it after that.
IMO they should just fuse comedian with joker, neither is particulary good so they would become something worth taking most of the times I pick an uncommon over them just because Im not going suits and its too late for the early game simbols to still be around
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now we need the challenges where you
A: always choose the option that is lowest on the tier list
B: always choose the option that is highest on the tier list
B might actually be hard given that you are being forced to ignore synergies, even if the picks are good
Ima do this lmao
I feel like this wouldn’t be that fun to play since you would have almost no control over the outcome of the game. I think it would be more interesting if you were allowed to skip as well.
There should be some strategy aspects for Tyler, so make it pick the highest, pick the lowest, or skip.
@@JohnTan then that’s pretty much just shattered mirror but without the coin bonus.
B is just cosplaying as a newb who has a tier list.
You already know we need a Peglin tier list too.
heck yeah
He's probably waiting for the class update, if he does it at all.
a tier list to get good at pegging
If we had a tier list for every rouge like aliensrock played. Him and his editors (I don’t think he edits his own videos) would have a lot of work put out for them.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 Looks like we found the guy in the void! (This joke may be way over your head if you don't even slightly get the reference)
The one thing that I think makes fossil and eldritch creature better is that 1 eat increases all of them. So getting one, and getting it up to say, +7 and getting another, that one is also +7, such instant value.
True, but that is relying on getting another rare/very rare symbol to come up again. This isnt very common at all, and you would only take Frozen Fossil if you already have an eldritch, if for some reason you have 2 hexes.
Eldritch is also really good for the final boss fight since it gets rid of hex of destruction, which could absolutely ruin your run if it gets rid off one of your key symbols. Frozen Fossil IMO is in its correct place, and I would put Eldritch in lower S tier rather than A tier due to how horrible that hex of destruction in the landlord fight could be.
Yeah but you removing symbols contribute to fossils and creatures. Ive had situations where I get rid of 2 cultists and Ill have time machine
Not to mention that fossils just become rare creatures so its great
Epic work from the editor for putting the extra info all throughout the video
Yeah I really like this new development.
Never knew I needed a Luck Be A Landlord tier list until now
Its bound to happen and it really fits
Thanks Lightningstar
finally i can blindly follow this list and blame it when i lose instead of my own mistakes
To be fair it is a pretty bad list...
Barely ten minutes in, and I already have to say: THANK YOU editors for actually editing a tier list! I despise when people do a tier list and expect you to know everything they are talking about, so they never show you examples of what they are talking about. Not only does that leave less knowledgeable people completely confused, but it just makes watching the list very bland and boring, which it doesn't have to be. I mean, rankings and tier lists are conceptually the same type of video, but why is it that the former is treated with so much more care? So again, thanks for not making it a 1 hour snooze fest right off the bat.
32:00 The 3 per that's worth rare edit is perfect 👌
I might finally be able to beat apartment floor one! Thanks Tyler! Excited for an hour long episode keep up the great work!!!
I never expected this type of video from Tyler, but I love it.
Now we need a Item Ranking as well as Essence Ranking
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I clicked this video for two reasons, I wanted to hear you talk for an hour, and two was learning more about the game so I have something more than visual and auditory satisfaction from watching you play, both wishes were fulfilled
I never thought I'd be seeing Tyler make a tier list video
This is gonna be amazing
21:21 “A common symbol that becomes a 3-per with just a single item? Fantastic”
Meanwhile coin w coin on a string chilling in bottom F tier:
And triple coins
Something that I don't think Tyler acknowledged about Eldritch Creature/Frozen Fossil is that it can be pre-fed by just removing hexes, witches, and cultists with tokens and each eat or removal buffs *each* EC/FF.
I've never had that be more than a +1 to the eldritch creature tho, it basically just means you can spend a removal token on the landlord's hex of destruction without waiting for the eldritch creature to eat it
Looking forward to the item or essence tier list next
It _might_ be worth noting that the Dwarf and Monkey pay out based on the destroyed symbol's value _when that symbol was destroyed._ It is this distinction that allows for a potentially funny "Volleyball" interaction:
You can have an "Increases any symbol" effect like Arrows, Buffing Capsule, or even Midas Bomb increase both the Dwarf/Monkey and its target symbol _at the same time_ to basically square the multiplier applied to the Dwarf/Monkey; Buffing Capsule and Bronze Arrow become 4x, Silver Arrow becomes 9x, Golden Arrow becomes 16x, and Midas Bomb becomes FORTY-NINE-X.
With Dwarf _(Dwarven Anvil)_ and Wine, you can use [what I'm assuming to be] a -quadratic- algebraic formula for an absolutely hysterical spike:
*x=(40+20y)z²*
Y is the additive bonus a Wine has accumulated. Happy Hour counts as +1 for Y's purposes.
Z is the increase to be double-stacked; stuff like Arrows, Buffing Capsule, and Midas Bomb.
It is this quadratic potential that makes it a surprise that Dwarf would be in F-tier. While it's not consistent like the growballs, it seems like it would at least deserve a low-D... How hard would you say it is to set up Dwarven Volleyball-gebra?
EDIT - So I, uh, forgot about the Wildcard and Copycat when posting that above formula... If you somehow get a Wildcard or Copycat during a Dwarven Volleyball-gebra run, you can have your booster increase a straight line of Wine, Dwarf, and Wildcard to have the booster *CUBE THE WILDCARD.* 4x/9x/16x/49x becomes 8x/27x/64x/343x. I guess the only drawback of this is that if you use Copycat, the run's likely to be Cat% instead of Volleyball.
I think the issue with doing this is it's generally a one or two time thing that you actually get to work, it's not very sustainable and generally much worse when the combo does go off. That's why wildcard/copycat versions work so well, they don't destroy the symbol, so they can be used over and over, plus spamming the symbol makes it more reliable
its not a quadratic formula, just an equasion
@@michawielgus9827 | I take it the term I was thinking of was Algebra?
@@RaceBandit not really
In defense of eldrich creature is that its the only eater that you can safely take multiple of. They'll all be worth the same value and it also increases the odds of hexes being destroyed by them, buffing every eldrich in your deck. I think it's low S-tier. You take the very rare and you can probably find frozen fossils along the way later.
My man is really pushing out hour plus video. Props to the editors.
wow, literally the first actually useful and informative tier list I have ever witnessed! good job Tyler.
Well, another thing, I like at least, about the Item Cap is that it removes some of the common items from the item pool to give you a higher chance of seeing the higher tier items as you go
I don't believe it does, actually. If you would ever be offered a Common item and there aren't any more in the pool, then you'll simply be offered a Pool Ball. You can even be offered 3 Pool Balls for your rent payment item if you've managed to empty the Common pool entirely and don't have any luck buffs by then!
So if you're hunting for a specific Common item, it obviously helps search for it faster, but otherwise it doesn't improve your odds at finding any rarer items
@@alliebonesVODs actually I don’t think it does that anymore. For me, when I ran out of commons it just started giving me duplicates. So like, two pizza the cats so you get +2 etc
@@lizzzylavender Yeah, you're right - I was just playing last night for the first time in a while and that seems to be the case now.
The editing this video must've taken is crazy
"Farmer buffs the same things Chef does" instantly reminds me of that omelette run where you chose a Farmer instead of a Chef
Really good video and loving all the explanations you give to all the tiers and picks. I feel like a few of them you will say one thing about a symbol and then put it in a tier that doesn't make any sense given your justifications on it or other items, especially when it comes to flexibility. For example:
- You put billionaire in C tier despite it only being useful with one item
- You put Jester an entire tier below honey but I feel like jest is a much more interesting lynchpin item. Honey does give a huge one time boon on a bear but in any other case it just gets 3-4 if it's next to a bee. Jester similarly is a 3 per with additional upside with a narrow use case symbol, but having several suits has a higher upper limit, plus there are a whopping 4 different suit cards so they make up a really large part of the uncommons pool. The jester also has synergy with comedian and an indirect synergy with things like card shark. It's at least much better than bartender because it *can't* put beers in your pool lol.
- Coconut half is literally the same exact thing as orange and has an additional common eater vs a very rare eater and you put orange an entire tier above it.
- Target and Sanddollar are very similar but target has 3 different S tier symbols to work with instead of one. The only difference is diver has a little bit more adjacency area.
Nearly all of this makes sense, works and is basically how I play.
Opinions: I give more value to Miner for early game value, low D or lowest D. However-
Buffing capsule is always X2, and the void items only give 2 coins less then wealthy capsule and give empties value, AND have some insane synergy with their essence and item-related buffs.
I'd put buffing capsule above bronze arrow because its always going to hit something, and arrows rarely if ever work out for me personally. It's a feelings game, really. And the void items below wealthy capsule, because they are slightly worse, or one above wealthy capsule, because they have SO much more synergy. It's good quick cash.
Actually- spirit is like a directly better bubble, so I'd probably put that one above bubble. Its quick, great cash, and always a great rare if you lack rerolls from spending them all or randomly- its great if you have any empty space to fill. Its a directly better bubble that might-maybe get better.
Void items early game are 3-8 coin rolls as well roughly speaking when considering the empties around them, which is something to consider for only an uncommon. They are great, really.
This video helped me so much that not long after watching, I've gone from not being able to complete a run to 4th floor and still going. Really well put together video. Thanks!
I think that the devs of Luck Be A Landlord could look at this video and balance the game around the lackluster synergies. I myself can come up with a few ideas to either buff these bad symbols or add new symbols/items to make the existing ones connect better to numerous possible synergies.
in a recent blog post the dev said he doesn't forsee doing any more balance changes to LBAL sadly.
There will always be bad symbols, something has to be last. As is, the bad symbols are still interesting and occasionally still worth taking, which is good game design.
@@livelyy. You are right that something has to be last, but I think that there is still room to improve considering that some of these symbols are not worth taking on average. I feel like if symbols like Miner, Dwarf and Mouse just gave more for their eats, at least they would be more "high risk high reward". The way they are now is more like "high risk low reward" which is bad game design.
You did the ore package dirty. If you get the relic that makes the ore only turn into the higher tier symbols even miner is a good sumbol
True, but that handicaps Archaeologist.
I enjoy this Tyler the most, I find. Analytical, yet still engaging and goofy.
now this is the tier list video we all been waiting for!
glad to see midas bomb got its own special tier as well.
This title and thumbnail satisfied my dopamine receptors so much
Thanks Tyler, this video really makes me want to play Luck be a Landlord again.
never thought tyler would make a tier list
I haven't even watched any of it yet and I can tell we're eating good today, thank you Tyler
Just completed my first Level 20 game & came straight to watch this.
Really interesting and well made video. The big stand out for me was your placing of Miner. I've won 75% of my games with 1 or 2 Miners. It's definitely a strategy that can succeed.
Looking forward to playing the game further to explore new combos.
Diver became my fav symbol as I got into higher levels. Being able to spam grab anchors, snails, crabs and turtles in early game; then later 2 coin jellyfish, sand dollars, pufferfish, and of course oysters+pearls really helped with the 3 blocked spaces on the reel. Everything they eat gives some sort of bonus coin or token, so you can grab all their "food" early on. Happy to see you put them in S tier.
I love that I had a choice between Diamond and Golden arrow. I obviously took Golden arrow, but then it ended up pointing outside to board for the next 16 turns and I lost, the diamond would've had me in the game for longer.
Arrows are sapient and know when you need their help
Dove is actually the best bird in my opinion. :( It goes extremely well with swapping device, or even in general if you are doing an eater build. I think that it is at least A tier. Also, you have to remember that if it stops an eater from eating, the eater still gets the effect of eating. Same with capsules.
Not all the capsules. If it says 'when destroyed' the dove stops the good effect, if it says 'do X and then destroy' then dove is good
Basically turns all capsules into hustling capsules without the payment required (except essense ofc) as well as their additional effect. Definitely underated on the list as it can definitely carry runs in the mid to late game and I've never had a time I've been disappointed by it.
Off the bat, amethyst can get an infinite run going, I got so far with it and only stopped to play the next floor
FYI, the Hex of Draining and Hex of Thievery are switched in the tier list - you can hear Tyler talking about the Hex of Draining being 1.2 on average and Hex of Thievery being situationally good when it should be the other way around.
Holy smokes this editor. 32:01 who has the time to change something so tiny that 99% of people would never notice, I didn’t even hear Tyler flip his words until i rewatched that part to read the text that caught my eye from changing.
23:50
i think eldritch creature is even better, because as opposed to all other eaters, multiple creatures share same eating counter
i did a successful floor 20 cultist build while watching this lol, i like cultist more than most give it credit you get 3 or more which isn’t hard and thats really good money. endgame you see a frozen fossil or straight up eldritch creature and your super set for that too, which is what i did i had 2 frozen fossils pop right at the landlord fight having 8 cultists and i was smooth sailing the entire time up to and during the landlord fight
I’d totally watch a video where Tyler goes over ideas for new symbols, or ideas on how to buff certain symbols.
Nice edit on the honey one, switching the words
I would put eldrich creature a little higher just because of getting more them one get it same scaling as one already on board. It scales from how many are in removed/destroyed pile, not how many it eats, so it can snowball extremely fast.
32:01 editors, I love this, keep doing the best work!
I've been considering making my own tier list for the game and I ended up disagreeing with this list more than I expected, but not by a lot
My main points of conflict is just due to how I'd evaluate each symbol, as someone who's grinding the achievements any strategy that could and has resulted in a guillotine essence win instantly goes up in my own rankings (e.g. owl). I myself would also split each of the rarities into different lists
It seems you got hex of draining and hex of thievery mixed up. I do however believe they're pretty close in value, as thievery's downsides are one of the easiest to work around between witches, tax evasion and ritual candle
I feel you undervalued the scaling of pear and amethyst. While I agree they are very bad without something to buff them, they very quickly become on par with the eaters once/if you do. And once they have a larger base value, each subsequent buff becomes better and better
Still enjoyed the video!
I think you underrate dove, also, dove protecting capsules does nothing because their effect trigger when destroeyed. Basically dove works the best when you don't want symbols removed as much as you like the effects on their destruction, perfects example: bears and honey. Dove also pairs well with eaters that get a permamet buff from destroying symbols because then you get +2 and said item will get triggered again. It also works really well with spirits. In my honest opinion it deserves the bottom of C tier.
Also dwarf... you ignored the part where he is the only eater that gives x10 gold of symbols value (except midas bomb, but well, it's midas bomb), which means you can get amazing values from him.
Another thing you forgot, this time about eldritch. It accounts what symbols you have in a destroyed/removed pool, it's the only scalling symbol that doesn't need to eat them directly, meaning you can grab a bad symbol and then instantly remove it. It also means multiple of them are much better than even the pirate. For that eldritch deserves S tier
I gotta disagree for amethyst, I think it's better than some of the eaters. If you even just have one arrow, the amethyst has the potential to carry you through the whole game. It starts out giving more than the geologist and Mrs. Fruit, making it less of a potential burden before each of them get started, and it can continue to be doubled in value by the dame, whereas there's no symbol that doubles the value of faces. That can't be overstated enough btw, being adjacent to one dame is equivalent to the geologist simultaneously being adjacent to a shiny pebble and having an arrow pointing at him in the same turn. Also, it doesn't share the geologist/Mrs fruit weakness of being harder to feed in the late game, because of how frequently you find rare symbols
My best runs have been when I got an early amethyst.
Not good in the very beginning but I wouldn't turn it down!
calculated it and arrows have a 31.25% chance to point out into the void
32:00 editor W
Now we need an items tier list
"Honey is a threefer that's worth rare"
your editor did a good job there lol
love the editors.
Here's an idea for a Landlord Run. Every time you have to pick a symbol, pick the best available option based on this tier list.
YESSS Tyler hears our requests :'D Super excited for this whole video
Small mistake he got hex of thievery and hex of draining mixed up. 31:17 in case you only looked at the final list
I gotta disagree on putting Bronze Arrow in S tier. Nothing you said about it is wrong, it's just every time I use the damn thing it points off screen and does nothing, so I have a personal vendetta against it lmao
17:00 for the comedian, you didn't take into account dark humor, which makes it buff spirits and other things
Why is this exactly the content I wanted... thanks btw, lovely vid
Man got hex of thievery and emptiness confused and it is making me very very slightly annoyed
21:32 you forgot about Robin Hood and zaroft for billionaire
"The diamond is better than the Dame" - very based Mr. Tyler
“If you have two apples, they’re worth sadness” Aliensrock, 2023
Every single doctor will agree.
I love it when Tyler said Midas Bomb and Midas Bombed all over us
Never would have I guessed I would see tier list on this channel
When I saw tierlist I clicked immediately
same
Bounty Hunter is kinda insane with Essence but I guess that is too rare to justify taking it lol. Wanted Poster Essence turns him into a stronger Zaroff with Zaroff’s contract
goldfish slept on imo, given that fish tank is basically a ridiculously common eater that takes no space (on top of being good in the likely event you get soap/bubbles early on, even if toddlers are more reliably good and also do that (granted toddlers give nearly a third of the payout and zaroff(s contract, if youre crazy) and comedian being the only way out))
i could just be seeing fish tank way more than im supposed to, i guess
Gotta love how he put Mrs. Fruit and the Geologist together. For those who don’t know, they are a canon couple
dwarf being adjacent to beer and not eating the beer is quite an odd experience
Lots of accidental poetry in this video. "The diamond is better than the dame", "above the chick, below the chicken", "the potential is better than the child itself"
"A common that turns into a 3-per with just 1 symbol? Fantastic." *coin cries in F tier*
Eldritch Creature is good because the extra money it gives by eating is shared between all other Eldritch Creatures, it's different from a geologist or diver that needs to be fed separately every time you pick it.
okay before the video starts I want to make a bit of a prediction.
I think diver is such a strong strategy it is S tier, it has so many good symbols to "eat" and *nearly* all of are greater then 1 pers. ya got anchor which is like the best common. In early floors I will take a snail or a turtle if I think i'll make rent before they first go off. sand dollar, puffer, and jelly are 2 pers + something when diver eats. crab can just be a crab build or for the diver. fish eats bubbles now and also have fish bowl which is an amazing early game essence.
Oyster and pearls are kinds the only "bad" eats for diver
Like diver has become so good the pearl has become the last starting symbol for me to remove on the chance that I get diver.
So all the symbols are good at getting you past 375 gold, and then diver will carry you the rest of the way. easy S tier.
I didn't even take into account that most things diver eats beastmaster will buff too, only really solidifies for me that every symbol that feeds diver needs more respect on their names
Hex of thievery and hex of draining were flipped in this and that makes me so sad
I thought I was the only one to notice. Nicely spotted
21:20
“A common symbol that becomes a three-per with just a single item? Fantastic.”
Meanwhile Coin is sitting in bottom tier
The Void Fruit, Void Stone, and Void Creature all have the exact same effect, and yet each one has its description formatted differently
Am aliensrock tire list vid. Never thought i needed this.
Now you should do an “optimal run” where all of your symbols you take are the highest out of the tiers
thanks for the effort, great video and very educational.
You should do a run where you pick 3-5 symbols from each category and you’re only allowed to take those symbols in a run
“Oh I wonder how long this will take-“
*sees video length*
Oh dear, rip my sleep tonight lol
Man, I can't wait to see where he's going to put Midas Bomb
I think this tier list needed another axis, either the optimal point to add each symbol, how synergy dependent the symbol is, or how consistent the item is throughout all phases
Would you consider doing an Items teirlist as well, perhaps?
Now we need lbal all items tier list!
despite having rung the bell, this didn't get sent to my notification box.
hopefully just a glitch and not youtube screwing over this video.
Day 55 of asking Tyler to cosplay as a Peglin for his loyal fans
Yooooo what is this content? Exciting
I have won a single miner build and that wasn't really because of the miner, but because I had a geologist and three golems in 5 turns. Without the 2 miners, the board would've been to full.
I once had a dwarven anvil dwarf, with Kyle the kernite, to help out feeding my geologist. Every time he broke an ore, he gave 40. Which is just a much better version of that lol. Obviously though this also is a super circumstantial synergy.
The majority of my wins so far are with 1 or 2 Miners. X ray machine is great for a Miner build.
A teirlist seems like a weird way to organize things in a game so dependant on synergies
Remembering the early versions before removal tokens, when hex of destruction was S Tier
Highlander really should have some sort of effect where gives a bonus to having singletons in your deck
My 1st idea would be that any single symbols gets 1.5 times. And duplicate symbols pay .5 time
I think you succeeded well in this said goal of balancing out consistency and viability and the power of the items. I too think items that are meant for lategame and still not easy to execute are by default worse than the average item because on average you won't get any benefit from using them.
I’d love to see a game where you have to pick the highest ranking item from your list ha ha😂🎉
I got lucky with a hex of destruction today. Got it quite early, and in the first spin it ate my gambler and got me those coins before I could get a dice. Then it ate my dwarf, which was actually the biggest loss. But the next 3 spins... It ate 3 duds. More space for me! Wohoo. I "retired" it after that.
IMO they should just fuse comedian with joker, neither is particulary good so they would become something worth taking
most of the times I pick an uncommon over them just because Im not going suits and its too late for the early game simbols to still be around
Good editing lately 👏👏👏