I have just viewed an article explaining how the 330 neo matches the 787 on economics, but also have beefed up undercarriages that enables it to cover on short hauls. So some Asian carriers are using the 330 as long haul and then fit in a few short range missions in between. That jet is starting to shine.
It's easy to explain it with the larger wings, it has 64m rather than 60, and then you have the light composite materials like 787, so there you go, if Boeing just realise they need few meters in the wings and a bit more fuel, they'd hunt a330neo
i agree, they DEFINITELY need more 787s. Qantas’ international network has shrunk drastically the past ten years and retiring their 747s with no replacement didn’t help. They will need to order EVEN MORE to replace their 330s which some are upwards of 20 years old. Ordering more A350s for short haul international would be great as well in case there are major delays with the 787s.
Yeah that's it, If Qantas had of put their passenger 747's into storage, while yes, they would have to pay for storage fees to store these aircraft in storage, would they rather have these aircraft like the 747 in storage and then if needed, reactivate them to help with the demand, or as I said in my original comment, be in the situation they are in now, struggling with demand and lack aircraft capacity, and yes I know its not just Qantas facing these same issues, but with Qantas being the flag carrier of Australia, you would think while yes it does cost money to do things, that they would've put their 747's into storage just in case this happened
One B787-9 Dreamliner arrived two or three days ago and two more will arrive in June 2023. But what they really need is all the Airbus A380's operating and as soon as Airbus can deliver they NEED those A350-1000 ULR/XLR. The new A321s are also required as soon as can be delivered.
Dan, your point of Qantas not having the facilities to quickly return aircraft post covid is valid to a degree, if AJ had not sold off Engineering and other departments then returning aircraft may have been faster, instead the ideology of sell off core assets now means Qantas has to wait for slots with groups like Lufthansa Technik etc to fit aircraft in for maintenance etc prior to being sent back to service. The board under AJ need a good look at themselves and to be held to account for how they have let this happen on their watch.
A lot of people won't like this, but Qantas should consider leasing A330-900s in the short term until 787s and A350s arrive. This also makes me wish that Virgin Australia would get widebodies again and fly to the US to help Qantas focus more on Asia.
That would be a great idea, however there is no one to lease them from. No leasing companies have ordered any and a new order would take too long and change the dynamic of their operating model. They have decided to replace the A330 with the 787, and only move forward with 3 wide body types for the moment, including the A350 and A380. A new A330neo order would not begin to arrive until around 2025, and there would still be the problem of finding a lessor.
I think that's smart, A330-900neo's and -800neos should be the correct choice to replace A330-300's and -200's, using the newest variants of an existing aircraft is very smart, and I personaly love the butter machine that the A330 is, I want Qantas to keep them in service even if that comes in A330neos.
As an Australian, I have experienced constant delays (up to 6 hrs on some Int flights) and cancellations. A lot of near mechanical incidents reported recently. Some of the domestic flight crew running between shifts, some embarking before passengers to catch their next flight. They treat their staff so poorly while the board of directors and the CEO enjoyed multi million bonuses.
More 787s is the logical step for Qantas to me. But with their fleet of A330s, they should also consider bringing in A330neos as well, whether for short-term or long-term.
three future 787s listed on planespotters and they all had there first flight in 2020 and seem to be the only 787s left on order and only one of 13 a350 showing up on planespotters yet to have her first flight and thats it for future aircraft right now on planespotters
Of course they need more aircraft. They retired all their 747s without a replacement and therefore have a capacity shortage. They need between 30-50 new widebodies to.replace the A330 and a 747 replacement along with additional 787s
If I were them I would try to snap up a few ex-Bamboo Airlines 787s, especially as a lot of them haven't even been delivered yet. Also, they should look at buying A350-900s alongside the 1000, as it would also suit Qantas well alongside the 787.
This is a result of COVID and the carrier basically shutting down all operations. It's surprising how small their fleet is and how they've been okay with this for decades.
Who is screwing things up in Perth. My recent plans to go from East Coast Australia to Paris ended up with a trip via Tokyo and Reykjavik. Not a good solution where an option out of West Coast Australia is possible.
Qantas should also fly to Phoenix, Chicago-O'Hare (via Las Vegas), Philadelphia (via San Diego) and Miami (via Tahiti) from Sydney. These are all Qantas partner airline American Airlines hubs. Also a Perth-Honolulu direct flight would be nice.
Given Qantas has 28 A330ceo’s it makes sense to add the A330neo. Yes some might say simplifying the fleet would be a good thing but with Boeings track record and supply chain issues at Airbus I think A330neo makes amazing sense - I think we’ll see something happen at Paris Airshow btw
Firstly, they don’t have a handful of A330-200s - they have a sizeable 18 -200s. As stated, 2 aircraft VH-EBE and VH-EBF have both flown to Germany to be converted in to P2F freighters.
I thought it was really telling the other day at Melbourne Airport that Emirates had two wide-bodied aircraft (an A380 & 777) at the international gates at the same time. While simultaneously Qantas had nothing there outside of the 737's they use for NZ routes. I know Qantas is usually pretty reluctant at launching long distance routes from Melbourne, but as Australia's "flag carrier" at the second busiest international airport in the country this was just embarrassing. To be honest though they have only themselves to blame for their current predicament, I have very little sympathy for situation they find themselves in.
In my opinion, while yes the Boeing 747-400's that Qantas had before they retired them due to the pandemic, Qantas should've kept them for this very reason to help with international and domestic demand, while yes the A380 is bigger, the 747 can easily help with the pressure the airline is facing at the moment, also, I don't get why Qantas didn't order the 747-8 Intercontinental, and yes I know it all comes down to cost, but would they rather more aircraft to cope with the travel demand both internationally and domestically, or be in the situation they are in now waiting for these Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners and A350-1000's to be delivered, cause as it was said in the video, these deliveries could take years to happen, and even then, who knows what could happen
To be fair, it's all very easy in hindsight. It was looking like international travel wouldn't pick up for 5+ years at the start of the pandemic, and they were bleeding money so needed to lose the 747s. They didn't order the 747-8 for the same reason many other's didn't. It has a high per seat cost.
@@tobyb6248 Yeah I see what you mean, but I wonder if for the sake of Qantas, couldn't they lease some passenger 747's to help with the demand until they can get these new aircraft they are waiting to be delivered
Their huge mistake was ordering the 747-400 ER in the first place when the writing was on the wall for the 747. Qantas should have ordered the 777 instead, then (like a lot of other carriers) they would have been in a far better position with a mixed A330/777 fleet when fuel prices shot up and profits nosedived. And they would have more flexibility now instead of having to wait for their 380s to come back online.
@@wavecentral Yeah, but there are several ways that the 747 played an important roll in the Qantas fleet, yes they should've ordered the 777, but they could've had the 747, 777, and A330 as well as the 787 mixed together to cope with the demand, like have say SYD-LAX operated by a 747, but then add a 777or a 787 aircraft as well to the route to increase the amount of flights, and seats for those flights by operating the 2 aircraft on the one service. And then on other services, if needed, add another aircraft to that service and your all set and making a profit, while yes I know it will cost a lot in terms of fuel, but would you rather have more aircraft to cope with the extra demand, or be in the situation that Qantas is in right now? Also, even if Qantas had of sent them off to storage, why didn't they get their 747's converted into freighters, cause at the moment, they are wet leasing Atlas Air 747-400's and at one point and I believe still are, wet leasing 747-8F's from Atlas Air, cause the it would allow Qantas to have its own 747 freighters and not have to wet lease 747F's from Atlas Air, cause I know that Qantas still operates a 767-300ER as a freighter, so I don't get why Qantas couldn't have done it with their 747-400's
calling qantas “the spirit of Australia” has been a disgrace to Australia and Australians for so many years now. australia being so isolated NEEDS a solid national carrier to allow us to be connected with the rest of the world, and for so many years now, australians have relied on OTHER international carriers when doing any sort of medium-long haul travel. heavily disappointed in qantas
I agree with you completely. The way QANTAS ground staff treats paying customers is woeful. I could detail my experiences, but it wouldn't do much to change the prevailing mindset. Choosing another airline is the ultimate protest.
@@Alexander_Dunn apparently the unions for the pilots r not willing for the new aircraft to be the 789 cos of recertification issues, dont know the full detail tho
This is a rather absurd argument, blaming Qantas ' current issues on the 787. Case in point, United is operating virtually ALL its Oceania routes with 787, some of which were delivered just this year. Boeing resumed delivery of the 787 in March, and this year they've delivered 11 787 aircraft. Boeing also has more than 90 787 waiting to be cleared by the FAA for delivery. Qantas is having problems because of two main reasons. The nation of Australia took too much of an extreme stance on the pandemic, and Qantas made financial decisions that seemed smart at the time, but came back to bite them when travel resumed with a vengeance. Neither of these two things have anything to do with Boeing. And, Airbus can't seem to do any wrong here. Finally, just because Qantas doesn't have new aircraft, doesn't mean they don't have enough old aircraft to meet their capacity needs. Other airlines, like Lufthansa, British Airways and Qatar Airways, even Etihad, just to name a few, have reactivated old aircraft to meet demand. Qantas was simply too slow to do the same, and they're losing market share because their competition have been more nimble in addressing their issues. Try to balance these viewpoints by addressing all the facts, rather than spotlighting a singular issue more than others.
Boeing and the 787. Management hated unions more than they like making money so they moved to South Carolina. To save hundreds of millions in salaries they lost billions in profit. Good shareholder returns?
@@anthonywatts2033 remind me again how old is the A330? It's common knowledge that the airline had a hand along with 10 other airlines in the design of the triple 7 but was the only one not to order it as the CEO was Airbus friendly and went with the a330 then the A380 the A330 doesn't compare to the B777 AS ITS STILL THE BETTER AIRCRAFT. Also in terms of the A350 ask delta how that's working out for them flying out of hot and high airports it may be more efficient but it's sorely underpowered hence why the Boeing 777-300ER and For those who have them the 200LR are still the aircraft of choice and when the 9x comes you'll see the difference in order numbers. FYI the old plane lipstick on a pig remark is mostly for the 737 and they sorely need to retire that airframe
@@jamiebrowne6913 Excellent point... Everyone here touting an even older design with the 330 !! Even borrowing the 787s' engine doesn't make the 330 neo the "Golden Child" must have aircraft !! So the 787 sold almost as much in the past few months as the entire orderbook of the 330 neo.. Yeah the 787 , an airframe no one wants..!!.
What QANTAS needs is a board that knows how to run an airline , and to sack that shirtlifting drongo that has turned our airline into the laughing stock it has become .
I have just viewed an article explaining how the 330 neo matches the 787 on economics, but also have beefed up undercarriages that enables it to cover on short hauls. So some Asian carriers are using the 330 as long haul and then fit in a few short range missions in between. That jet is starting to shine.
It's easy to explain it with the larger wings, it has 64m rather than 60, and then you have the light composite materials like 787, so there you go, if Boeing just realise they need few meters in the wings and a bit more fuel, they'd hunt a330neo
i agree, they DEFINITELY need more 787s. Qantas’ international network has shrunk drastically the past ten years and retiring their 747s with no replacement didn’t help. They will need to order EVEN MORE to replace their 330s which some are upwards of 20 years old. Ordering more A350s for short haul international would be great as well in case there are major delays with the 787s.
Yeah that's it, If Qantas had of put their passenger 747's into storage, while yes, they would have to pay for storage fees to store these aircraft in storage, would they rather have these aircraft like the 747 in storage and then if needed, reactivate them to help with the demand, or as I said in my original comment, be in the situation they are in now, struggling with demand and lack aircraft capacity, and yes I know its not just Qantas facing these same issues, but with Qantas being the flag carrier of Australia, you would think while yes it does cost money to do things, that they would've put their 747's into storage just in case this happened
@@UPS-F-km9ni agreed
Qantas is supposed to receive 787s but it’s problems with the FAA.
@@IconOTS what are those issues?
One B787-9 Dreamliner arrived two or three days ago and two more will arrive in June 2023. But what they really need is all the Airbus A380's operating and as soon as Airbus can deliver they NEED those A350-1000 ULR/XLR. The new A321s are also required as soon as can be delivered.
Dan, your point of Qantas not having the facilities to quickly return aircraft post covid is valid to a degree, if AJ had not sold off Engineering and other departments then returning aircraft may have been faster, instead the ideology of sell off core assets now means Qantas has to wait for slots with groups like Lufthansa Technik etc to fit aircraft in for maintenance etc prior to being sent back to service. The board under AJ need a good look at themselves and to be held to account for how they have let this happen on their watch.
A lot of people won't like this, but Qantas should consider leasing A330-900s in the short term until 787s and A350s arrive. This also makes me wish that Virgin Australia would get widebodies again and fly to the US to help Qantas focus more on Asia.
That would be a great idea, however there is no one to lease them from. No leasing companies have ordered any and a new order would take too long and change the dynamic of their operating model. They have decided to replace the A330 with the 787, and only move forward with 3 wide body types for the moment, including the A350 and A380. A new A330neo order would not begin to arrive until around 2025, and there would still be the problem of finding a lessor.
I think that's smart, A330-900neo's and -800neos should be the correct choice to replace A330-300's and -200's, using the newest variants of an existing aircraft is very smart, and I personaly love the butter machine that the A330 is, I want Qantas to keep them in service even if that comes in A330neos.
QANTAS is just catching their corporate karma for how they handled and treated their employees during the pandemic😂
And the fare paying customersall the time!
As an Australian, I have experienced constant delays (up to 6 hrs on some Int flights) and cancellations. A lot of near mechanical incidents reported recently. Some of the domestic flight crew running between shifts, some embarking before passengers to catch their next flight. They treat their staff so poorly while the board of directors and the CEO enjoyed multi million bonuses.
The new and improved A330 neo should be a way beter fit for Qantas.. And with the small A330neo backlog they should be able to get them fastWw
It would be at least 2025 before they could get one, and they have already decided to replace the A330 with the 787 because of the economics.
What A330neo backlog? I don't think the A330neo can fly nonstop from Perth to London. That's why Qantas uses the 787.
@@sainnt they have the A350 -900 ULR for that..209 backlog for the A330 neo..
@@mauricevandenakker6015 Qantas ordered the A350-1000, not the 900ULR.
@@sainnt so A350-1000 ulr..
More 787s is the logical step for Qantas to me. But with their fleet of A330s, they should also consider bringing in A330neos as well, whether for short-term or long-term.
I feel like they should’ve went for cockpit commonality with the a330s
With the amount of lightning strikes and paint issues with the 787, I’d lean more towards 330’s.
three future 787s listed on planespotters and they all had there first flight in 2020 and seem to be the only 787s left on order and only one of 13 a350 showing up on planespotters yet to have her first flight and thats it for future aircraft right now on planespotters
Exactly. They had to option years ago to order more and chose not to. They are more focused on Jetstar that sees most of the 787's in operation.
If need be they could option for a leasing agreement for some a330-900 neos for the time being
None available given how slow the production is on the type.
What's needed is a new international carrier for Australia to give Qantas a kick in the rear!
There is plenty of competition in the market with the middle east carriers.
It’s not the company it’s the wicked CEO Alan Joyce that’s gonna get replaced by Vanessa Hudson in November this year.
Fares to and from Australia are very expensive. More capacity should help lower fares.
Of course they need more aircraft. They retired all their 747s without a replacement and therefore have a capacity shortage. They need between 30-50 new widebodies to.replace the A330 and a 747 replacement along with additional 787s
VH-EBE AND EBF are both being converted to freighters to the best of my knowledge. Also, good effort on the video 👍
If I were them I would try to snap up a few ex-Bamboo Airlines 787s, especially as a lot of them haven't even been delivered yet. Also, they should look at buying A350-900s alongside the 1000, as it would also suit Qantas well alongside the 787.
This is a result of COVID and the carrier basically shutting down all operations. It's surprising how small their fleet is and how they've been okay with this for decades.
Who is screwing things up in Perth. My recent plans to go from East Coast Australia to Paris ended up with a trip via Tokyo and Reykjavik. Not a good solution where an option out of West Coast Australia is possible.
Qantas need to replace their CEO and number of board members as well.
Unbelievable mismanagement from Joyce. They should have had 777x’s ordered as well to replace the 747s and A380’s.
Qantas should also fly to Phoenix, Chicago-O'Hare (via Las Vegas), Philadelphia (via San Diego) and Miami (via Tahiti) from Sydney. These are all Qantas partner airline American Airlines hubs. Also a Perth-Honolulu direct flight would be nice.
Given Qantas has 28 A330ceo’s it makes sense to add the A330neo. Yes some might say simplifying the fleet would be a good thing but with Boeings track record and supply chain issues at Airbus I think A330neo makes amazing sense - I think we’ll see something happen at Paris Airshow btw
Firstly, they don’t have a handful of A330-200s - they have a sizeable 18 -200s. As stated, 2 aircraft VH-EBE and VH-EBF have both flown to Germany to be converted in to P2F freighters.
I thought it was really telling the other day at Melbourne Airport that Emirates had two wide-bodied aircraft (an A380 & 777) at the international gates at the same time. While simultaneously Qantas had nothing there outside of the 737's they use for NZ routes. I know Qantas is usually pretty reluctant at launching long distance routes from Melbourne, but as Australia's "flag carrier" at the second busiest international airport in the country this was just embarrassing. To be honest though they have only themselves to blame for their current predicament, I have very little sympathy for situation they find themselves in.
As a traveller, the 380's were the preferred plane
There are plenty of potential aircraft in alice springs. Use some 777-200er
There were 350’s marked for another carrier which became available. Didn’t snap those up though….
Ty dj!!
In my opinion Qantas should of bought more aircraft a while ago
Lease like Lufthansa who shares the lack of capacity for long haul routes and new routes.
Why not pivot and go green by being the first modern Lighter Than Air Passenger Carrier. Bring back the Zeppelins !!!!
In my opinion, while yes the Boeing 747-400's that Qantas had before they retired them due to the pandemic, Qantas should've kept them for this very reason to help with international and domestic demand, while yes the A380 is bigger, the 747 can easily help with the pressure the airline is facing at the moment, also, I don't get why Qantas didn't order the 747-8 Intercontinental, and yes I know it all comes down to cost, but would they rather more aircraft to cope with the travel demand both internationally and domestically, or be in the situation they are in now waiting for these Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners and A350-1000's to be delivered, cause as it was said in the video, these deliveries could take years to happen, and even then, who knows what could happen
i agree, they made a huge mistise
To be fair, it's all very easy in hindsight. It was looking like international travel wouldn't pick up for 5+ years at the start of the pandemic, and they were bleeding money so needed to lose the 747s. They didn't order the 747-8 for the same reason many other's didn't. It has a high per seat cost.
@@tobyb6248 Yeah I see what you mean, but I wonder if for the sake of Qantas, couldn't they lease some passenger 747's to help with the demand until they can get these new aircraft they are waiting to be delivered
Their huge mistake was ordering the 747-400 ER in the first place when the writing was on the wall for the 747. Qantas should have ordered the 777 instead, then (like a lot of other carriers) they would have been in a far better position with a mixed A330/777 fleet when fuel prices shot up and profits nosedived. And they would have more flexibility now instead of having to wait for their 380s to come back online.
@@wavecentral Yeah, but there are several ways that the 747 played an important roll in the Qantas fleet, yes they should've ordered the 777, but they could've had the 747, 777, and A330 as well as the 787 mixed together to cope with the demand, like have say SYD-LAX operated by a 747, but then add a 777or a 787 aircraft as well to the route to increase the amount of flights, and seats for those flights by operating the 2 aircraft on the one service. And then on other services, if needed, add another aircraft to that service and your all set and making a profit, while yes I know it will cost a lot in terms of fuel, but would you rather have more aircraft to cope with the extra demand, or be in the situation that Qantas is in right now? Also, even if Qantas had of sent them off to storage, why didn't they get their 747's converted into freighters, cause at the moment, they are wet leasing Atlas Air 747-400's and at one point and I believe still are, wet leasing 747-8F's from Atlas Air, cause the it would allow Qantas to have its own 747 freighters and not have to wet lease 747F's from Atlas Air, cause I know that Qantas still operates a 767-300ER as a freighter, so I don't get why Qantas couldn't have done it with their 747-400's
IMO Qantas should get an A350 bc I would fly for them
they are…
Qantas has placed an order for ~13 modified A350-1000s.
They need First Class + A B777 and a A350-1000
Lease the aircraft?
calling qantas “the spirit of Australia” has been a disgrace to Australia and Australians for so many years now.
australia being so isolated NEEDS a solid national carrier to allow us to be connected with the rest of the world, and for so many years now, australians have relied on OTHER international carriers when doing any sort of medium-long haul travel. heavily disappointed in qantas
I agree with you completely. The way QANTAS ground staff treats paying customers is woeful. I could detail my experiences, but it wouldn't do much to change the prevailing mindset. Choosing another airline is the ultimate protest.
What kind of audio are you using… please improve
A330-300 fleet between 17-20 years old so need replacement.
Time they got some 330neos!
@@ThePhillrow they should order more 787-9s for simplicity
@@Alexander_Dunn apparently the unions for the pilots r not willing for the new aircraft to be the 789 cos of recertification issues, dont know the full detail tho
@@Alexander_Dunn but the 787 sucks
@@hibikismusic3103 hmm that’s dumb
No sympathy at all like BA to quick to scrap and send the best plane ever 747s to the desert MUGS
This is a rather absurd argument, blaming Qantas ' current issues on the 787. Case in point, United is operating virtually ALL its Oceania routes with 787, some of which were delivered just this year.
Boeing resumed delivery of the 787 in March, and this year they've delivered 11 787 aircraft. Boeing also has more than 90 787 waiting to be cleared by the FAA for delivery.
Qantas is having problems because of two main reasons. The nation of Australia took too much of an extreme stance on the pandemic, and Qantas made financial decisions that seemed smart at the time, but came back to bite them when travel resumed with a vengeance. Neither of these two things have anything to do with Boeing. And, Airbus can't seem to do any wrong here.
Finally, just because Qantas doesn't have new aircraft, doesn't mean they don't have enough old aircraft to meet their capacity needs. Other airlines, like Lufthansa, British Airways and Qatar Airways, even Etihad, just to name a few, have reactivated old aircraft to meet demand. Qantas was simply too slow to do the same, and they're losing market share because their competition have been more nimble in addressing their issues.
Try to balance these viewpoints by addressing all the facts, rather than spotlighting a singular issue more than others.
Agreed!
you do not have a voice for radio :(
Bring back the 747 they are used as freighters why not passenger aircraft
Converting millions of aluminium beer cans back into 747s is no easy task.
They should have had more a380
They are bringing back more and more A380s from storage.
@@heidirabenau511 Yeah, but they have scrapped two of them!
Australia deserves better.
Boeing and the 787. Management hated unions more than they like making money so they moved to South Carolina. To save hundreds of millions in salaries they lost billions in profit. Good shareholder returns?
Should have probably taken those triple 7's instead of all them a330's
disagree. Why buy a 30+ year old design? It doesn't matter how much lipstick on that pig - its still an old plane.
@@anthonywatts2033 remind me again how old is the A330? It's common knowledge that the airline had a hand along with 10 other airlines in the design of the triple 7 but was the only one not to order it as the CEO was Airbus friendly and went with the a330 then the A380 the A330 doesn't compare to the B777 AS ITS STILL THE BETTER AIRCRAFT. Also in terms of the A350 ask delta how that's working out for them flying out of hot and high airports it may be more efficient but it's sorely underpowered hence why the Boeing 777-300ER and For those who have them the 200LR are still the aircraft of choice and when the 9x comes you'll see the difference in order numbers. FYI the old plane lipstick on a pig remark is mostly for the 737 and they sorely need to retire that airframe
@@jamiebrowne6913 Excellent point...
Everyone here touting an even older design with the 330 !!
Even borrowing the 787s' engine doesn't make the 330 neo the "Golden Child" must have aircraft !!
So the 787 sold almost as much in the past few months as the entire orderbook of the 330 neo..
Yeah the 787 , an airframe no one wants..!!.
777x
What QANTAS needs is a board that knows how to run an airline , and to sack that shirtlifting drongo that has turned our airline into the laughing stock it has become .
inappropriate comment.
Boeing 777’s
They’ve had almost 2 years now to reactivate those fat whale aircraft’s
This is a 5 minutes video stretched out to 9
F14 tomcats would be a better plane
Qantas should dump the a380 by end of 2030 and in its replacement in buy 777 9x half the operating cost ! More a330 and 737 max and more 787 9 !
they chose the a350 and the a321neo
Seems like DJ still has not come out of puberty, anyway the news is just stale