Snyder like you said does moments. He generally doesnt do stories. Snyder fans will post a cool compositional frame by the man and go "peak cinema" when the various other bits of filmmaking are overlooked. Set up/pay off, theme, nuance. Snyder can craft a movie poster but hes a thoughtless storyteller.
He is a good director but not a good writer and that was the problem, he wanted to be involved in everything instead of focusing only in directing... 🤷
The big differences between James Gunn and Zack Snyder is Gunn is a storyteller, and Snyder isn't. James Gunn is a screenwriter, Snyder isn't. James Gunn is a director, Zack Snyder is more of a good cinematographer.
He isn't even the cinematographer of his DC films, it's Larry Fong. That's why Rebel Moon is so lackluster in cinematogrpahy too, Fong did not work on it. Rebel Moon, the films also ignored by Snyder fans, I wonder why.
James Gunn's new little policy, revolving around movies not being put into production until he's given a completed script, is what inspires incredible hope for this new DCU, I also thoroughly enjoy, the introduction to this new universe Creature Commandos, and while according to James Gunn, nothing is canon until its mentioned in the new DCU, I am excited to see how this is conveyed through the new movies and show, to continue continuity errors, with this sort of soft reboot.
a finished script doesn't mean a film will be good. The first Avengers wasn't a finished script and countless MCU films. David Ayer's Suicide Squad had a finish script and it sucked.
@@gohanson27 this policy immediately stops any of that stupid crunch crap where the studio changes a million different things a million different times right before the deadline. it's called not procrastinating, and it's a good thing.
@@gohanson27 but the studio had suicide squad re-edited to match the tone and feel of its trailer. The version we have is chopped up & trimed down, granted since we never got the ayer's cut we wont now if it would have been better or not?
@@bmprimer7809 it's a good and bad thing. There's no perfect formula. Like Gunn said "you may not like the film, but at least it was a finished script"
@@thetrench8486 the thing about the Ayer Cut and original film is the script wasn't changed. The film was only edited to fit the tone of the trailer. Script was completed and the edit was a minor issue, the script was terrible. "What are we, some type of Suicide Squad?" Ayer wrote that, not the edit team.
Actually disappointed by that. Like I get wanting to create your own thing but the Williams theme is Superman. I certainly am fine with taking it for a spin. No reason to just blare out something from the ‘70’s without update but that’s the theme. Like I would find it bizarre to do a Star Wars film without the Force theme or the main theme squirreled away somewhere in the score.
I've heard arguments arguing that reusing the score even if its just a homage is still stupid and they shouldn't try and nostalgia bait the audience and make something new but we've only seen a complete homage to the donner films and a complete 180 on the traditional and original iteration of superman with Man of steel's dark and different take, so if Gunn can mold it together, with the grounded tone and modern action sequences with the classic and hopefulness of the donner films, with comic nods and ideas, we are gold
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 impressed me a lot. There are a lot of writers who would've straight up contradicted Endgame or ignored it due to how much of a monkey wrench it throws into things. But James Gunn masterfully played off of Endgame and tailored his story in a way that made sense. He acknowledged but also utilized alternate Gamora just existing and how Peter has to deal with that. While still doing the Rocket and Adam stuff that he teased
@@racool911 he was like “f that mask and jet boots though, I got rid of those” 🤣🤣🤣 still bummed we didn’t get Quill in the classic costume with the mask but that’s a nitpick.
The difference is Bay is fully aware of how stupid his movies can be stupid and doesn't pretend they're deeper than what they actually are. Zack thinks he's the second coming of cinema itself and would look you dead in the eye and tell you only a small minority of people hate his movies.
Nah. Bay can do dumb shit if he wants to, but he also multiple times made movies that actually had something to say. Unlike Snyder, Bay understands his limitations and is happy to direct the hell out of somebody else's script, while Snyder can't accept he can't write to save his life
James Gunn just makes better films, period. I think his real strength is how much he gets you to care about the characters. I don't know anyone that wasn't worried when king shark fell out of the tower in his suicide squad movie. Same with rocket. Can anyone really say they cared or were worried in a Znyder film post-Dawn of the dead.
Yeah, James Gunn does have a better track record (I honestly can't think of a bad movie he's done), but I can confidently say that I cared about what happened in alot of Snyder's movies.
James Gunn took a highly obscure IP in the form of Guardians of the Galaxy and made it one of the most popular groups in the MCU. Nobody complains about how it's not comic accurate because nobody remembers them. I grew up reading Marvel and I think my only real experiences with them is when they occasionally crossed over with Thor, Dark Hawk and Airwalker. I was a bit familiar with Rocket, but he's actually spent more time with the damn Avengers lol.
I forgot to add that the explanation for the Peacemaker characters meeting the old justice league is likely going to be in Creature Commandos. Even though it's an animated series, Viola Davis is voice acting Amanada Waller and there are some plot points that might take care of the old justice league cross over.
About reusing the John Williams Superman Theme...Why does Superman need a new theme? Do people complain about the Bond theme being reused from each Bond film?(I'm sure the answer is yes but they are in the minority) The theme is iconic and using that as a recurring theme that persists beyond the current iteration of a character...is good branding(I hate myself for saying that but its true)
@@Spiderhunter maybe it’s because I always liked the way the animated series theme took the basic vibe of the Williams theme but did its own thing. I do love a big bombastic fanfare.
@@NickolasNameolas I agree that Superman Animated series theme is very good without directly lifting from the Williams theme...but you said it yourself, it still has the same vibe...its still being influenced by Williams. At that point why not just use the bones of the Williams theme, something that is already good, to create a newer version of the Superman theme? This is yet another version of Superman so its not like this movie isn't already building off of all previous versions of Superman in someway. As long as its not overused in the movie itself, I think it's fine to reuse the Williams Superman theme. How easy do you think it is to create an iconic theme? The MCU certainly has a theme for The Avengers ...is it good...sure I guess...but is it Iconic? No. The Williams Superman theme IS Iconic.
And given track record some old Superman related actors will show up in this somewhere. They’ve been doing that (at least for Superman) since at least the 70’s (I can’t recall if they did a throwback to like the 30’s radio show in the 50’s tv show). So like lean into the fact they solved Superman’s theme 50 years ago.
@@Spiderhuntercan’t really know until we hear the new score/theme. Maybe you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how it sounds, maybe you won’t. I’d have to imagine either way it’ll be inspired by Williams score in the same way the animated series was, considering what we’ve heard so far was
@@privatechannel8462 "I turned off after 12 minutes" Is admitting that you didn't even fully watch the first episode of "Creature Commandos" supposed to make your opinion of it valid somehow lol?
Helps that James Gunn's works so far have very strong anti-US imperialism themes, the opposite of Snyder's US military propaganda and the MCU's centrism
What are you smoking? That was KIND OF one movie. Snyder is woke btw. Why do you think his daughter off'ed herself? Because he's a wacko Commie and she couldn't take it.
Tom King who James Gunn has cited as a key writing and story consultant on the DCU is a literal CIA Agent (fact check it - it’s right there on his Wikipedia article with sources). Unfortunately I doubt we will get anything more politically radical than what the MCU has already depicted
I dont see JG works as left leaning i would say his works is pretty much centrist, also even tho Snyder movie have a "right" vibe ironically Snyder is voting for democrat lol
I felt the same very optimistic feeling of hope from this Gunn Superman trailer too. Say what you want, I’m ready for this one. Not so much for the last ones.
I think you nailed it. Gunn understands the basic necessities of storytelling (ie setup & payoff, character arcs, motivations, etc) in a way that Snyder doesn’t seem to have locked down (yet?). Snyder clearly has mastery of visual artistry, but it seems more about being cool or epic than actually being a part of telling the story. A part of what made the MCU successful for as long as it was is that the essentials of storytelling were usually present in even their worst movies while the DCEU had studio execs interfering with nearly every project and even going so far as to recut films to oblivion. The MCU has suffered from a lot of different aspects over the past few years in particular with a sense of monotony and an implacable release schedule that overworked SFX and rushed scripts and rewrites; I’m very interested in the mission statement that Gunn expressed that the new DCU will be a mix of tones and that having a good *completed* script is the key to any project moving forward
Sounds fair. But honestly, for me, Zack's Man of Steel was an amazing movie , i loved it (Even if Rebel Moon was horribly bad). And Henry Cavill was for me perfect Superman. So im a bit sad about the end of it and the change. From the trailer Guns Superman seems abit more fantasy/fairy Tale then the realistic dark tone of Zacks, which might not be a bad thing, but it seems it will be different for sure. We shall see, i do hope its good.
You lack a fundamental understanding of how filmmaking and storytelling works because you’ve adopted a flawed viewpoint and you use this perspective to try and scrutinise Synder’s work. Everything you mentioned Synder has already accomplished. I actually feel sorry for you because you have no idea what you are talking about. You need to take your supplements that will boost your intelligence. Wake up.
Why are they using the John Williams Superman theme? For the same reason Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and 007 still use tgeir respective themes. It is synonymous with their respective characters. Superman is incomplete without that theme music.
7:15 Gunn already said he’s RETCONNING the Justice league interaction with Peacemaker. It’s a SHARED universe, did y’all forget. We’ll get a clean slate eventually down the road once it’s established.
nobody forgot anything. we just dont know how it will work and people are naturally curious, confused, or skeptical. You know they just got rid of all the "beloved" cast from ZSJL but they are keeping James Gunn's people. HOW and for others that arent nerds online all day looking at videos like this, they will wonder WHY!?
@@RayValdezPhotography james gunn is good at this kind of things he is a huge nerd of superheroes and he knows his source materials. if he kept the original main cast how will he be able to redo superman make another origin story how do you explain to the casual viewer this is another universe. peacemaker is a obscure character who is a side show most who watch it are already fans and not a casual viewer. if he can hire great directors who love this characters and they understand them I think we will have a great time. even for this movie he said he contacted his friend Snyder for how he did somethings and how he shot some of the action scenes and he also agreed on the Trunks of superman until Dvid said he likes the trunks and would be a great addition to it.
The easy way is to have the appreance being a hallucination after all Peacemaker has hallucinated before and is the only one that does anything that refers to the JL.
@dangerxbadger2300 yeah I mean I think almost any DC character that has endured deserves a good movie. If they lasted more than a few years it was probably for a reason and if they got a movie that wasn't good the movie didn't really highlight why this character works.
Zatanna is definitely happening. I hope we see a Justice League Dark with her, The Demon, Constantine, Swamp Thing, and Detective Chimp in the roster. Maybe Gunn will be able to woo Del Toro to direct it.
@@AntiLifeEquation1 Pretty sure you’re just projecting buddy, if anyone’s a pedo here, it’s you; since you’re the one mentioning that someone else is a Pedo. He who said it, must be one himself; in other words you’re outing yourself as one. Go to jail, you will. Stop the Gunn slander you must, or be outed as a Pedo yourself. Since you wanna mention Pedophilia out of nowhere when no one asked you to bud.
Source trust me bro lol, Snyderverse is dead move on edgelords you're not 16 anymore. Also "wallets closed" let me gets another # movement? Work for the batman am I right? 😂
@@master-of-mind5881 Let's come back to your comment in about 12 months time, and see if you were right. Maybe you will be! Maybe you'll be dead-wrong.
@@master-of-mind5881I don’t think YOU know how writing works. James Gunn has proven time and time again that he knows how to write great stories. If you can’t see that then you do not understand true storytelling.
Zack doesn't write too good... Gunn always had a gift for it and has only gotten better... I don't think much more needs to be added to this convo haha it's pretty cut and dry.
Nuance and storytelling are words that are too big for Zack to understand. All he knows is: slow motion, jesus references, and smashing action figures together
My first time seeing one of your vids. Good shit! SUBSCRIBED! I'm a bit of a DC old head. Grew up in the 80s and 90s reading my older brothers comic books from the late 60s and 70s; my first favorite superhero movie was Christopher Reeve in Superman but Batman was always my favorite character so Burton's '89 film was a life changing event. Batman The Animated Series was my after school jams. As an adult I have been an amateur/indie filmmaker off and on, working as a production assistant and writing screenplays. I think you nailed most of this topic on the head. Can't wait to check out more of your content!
I'm very excited for the Clayface movie because of Mike Flanagan writing. His work for Haunting of Hill House, Midnight Mass, and the Fall of the House of Usher was incredible.
I dont really care for superhero movies in general, but I'd honestly listen to you talk about paint drying if it were something you were passionate about bc you have this way of getting people emotionally invested in whatever topic is at hand, because you seem to always be writing about things you have a ton of knowledge on and are intensely fascinated by. That shit is contagious, man. Keep talking about the things you like, the things you hate, whatever it is that makes you feel something strong, that makes life feel more real for you. Even if it's esoteric or weird, that energy is gonna pull folks in and have them along for the ride regardless, and that is a gift you shouldn't squander. ❤
YES! I’ve been complaining for years about the set up and lack of pay off that is rampant in movies and television shows. It is super frustrating to see a movie or TV show promised something and it never delivers.
What's frustrating about Zack is, he doesn't use what's already there, like the whole floating dust payoff, you have the codex for that and he could build on that for actually interesting plot beats It's a bunch of okay ideas but the pivot and execution is so poorly done, that it makes it look like terrible ideas in retrospect I agree with your point about it being "inverted The Boys", this new superman logo is basically a nice version of the Kingdom Come logo, which is where I think he's going with this, "a Hope Punk Kingdom Come" with the MCU as the stand-in metaphor, kinda like what we got with Orgocorp in GOTG 3 Gunn does good deconstruction- Valid and meaningful breakdown and replaces with something better Snyder does bad deconstruction- Vacuous and facile breakdown with empty or weaker replacement.
Alan Moore and Garth Ennis actually wrote well written poignant Superman stories despite being known for deconstructing superheroes. Even they have respect for Superman and who he is.
The Coen brothers, David Fincher, Mike Flanagan. There’s just so many other filmmakers out there people could be championing and Snyder is who they go with.
Im really not the type to fanboy over movie directors but most of James Gunn’s movies feel more human than anything Snyder ever put out and I’ve just watched guardians of the galaxy Vol 3 recently so I’m not worried at all about his version of Superman… I recall having so many issues with man of steel despite not hating it, but as the DCU went on it just got worse and it all felt like it was made by an edgy teenager that only had some out of order pages and drawings of the comics he was pulling from. So again very happy about the lighter tone and trailer of Gunn’s Superman.
The only reason you need to give is that Gunn is a competent storyteller with an understanding and respect for these characters while Snyder is none of those things.
Mind you, those dust particles meant nothing over Clark coffin because he was literally dead. Should've hinted at the motherboxes reviving him in the final act instead.
I actually think it's kind of an academic point whether Snyder's DCEU films are considered failures or not. Whatever anyone, including the studio itself, thinks of them, no one is taking them away from the people that enjoyed them. I like pineapple on pizza, and it doesn't change my enjoyment at all to hear people complain about it, or even tell me I shouldn't like it. I get to like what I like, and people can mind their own business. In other news, I loved The Last Jedi. I'd be delighted to see more Rian Johnson Star Wars, but I'm not angry at the world for depriving me of that. Life goes on, ya know? Yes, we're not gonna get any more Zack Snyder DCEU films, but we're also never going to get another Chris Nolan Batman, or another Russo Brothers Captain America, or another Joss Whedon Avengers. So what? We should appreciate movies for themselves, not only as a set-up for some as-yet unmade film that supposedly would bring everything together and blow our minds. I was disappointed by The Dark Knight Rises, as were many, but it only made me appreciate the achievement of The Dark Knight all the more. I certainly don't feel upset that we never got more movies in the Nolan-verse. It was good while it lasted, and then it was over, and I was ready for the next thing. If people felt the Snyder-Verse is incomplete after three films and several spin-offs, maybe those films weren't as satisfying as they could have been. Or maybe their fans should just love them for what they are, three whole movies that, apparently, did those characters exactly the way their fans wanted. What's the problem?
@@rottensquid Well said! 😆👏👏👏 It’s hilarious to see Snyder’s brain-rotten fans clinging desperately, trying to save their dead universe, lol. It’s quite entertaining to watch them twist the truth and preach about how great a job Snyder did in the DCEU. The reality is, the man single-handedly ruined the entire cinematic universe, lol. The Snyderverse is dead-bury it already, lmao!
I think Snyder tries to setup -> payoff formula... It just doesn't come off in as satisfying of a way. One I think of that I haven't seen mentioned much was in BvS. There is a dream sequence where Batman is hanging, chained up with bodies to his left and right. Superman drops in and uses his laser vision on each body, instilling fear in Batman. It has a slight payoff later during their fight where Superman lasers the two Shockwave turrets Batman setup to his left and right. You can almost see it reaffirming Batman's fear. Nice bit of setup and payoff but what it is paying off isn't satisfying to what you'd want out of superman. Snyder's version of the character was one who was capable of becoming what Superman is in the injustice universe and that isn't satisfying.
Actually that moment with dirt on the Superman coffin is stated to be symbolic that of hope, kind of like how Superman brings hope when the dust rises when he takes flight. And the black suit is something of an evolution of his character, something to level up in, you could take that with how he interacts with a butterfly, signifying transformation.
We will definitely see a version of that character in Gunn’s DCU. He loves elevating the weird and obscure. I still can’t believe he brought Starro to live action.
8:09 I can understand your reasoning behind Absurdity vs Realism. It’s genuinely tough to pull off. But that’s why Guardians of the Galaxy was so Good. And I feel that it’s been intergrated into the rest of Marvel VERY WELL after Gunn’s first movie.
James Gunn has a much more diverse skill set than Zack. Zack Mastered action and visual design, but that's it. Everything solo film he did was ahhs. Dawn of the dead was a collaboration project of Zack and James Gunn. Watchmen screen play and story was written by David Hayter & Alex Tse, Directed by Zack. Zack can make good movies, as long as he doesn't write them 😁
Thank you for acknowledging that MoS, BvS and ZSJL are absolutely a trilogy. BvS is as sequel to MoS in every possible way and JL is a sequel to BvS in every possible way. The only thing that would hold them back from being a trilogy is the clear desire to set up yet another film or several. (I'm not a fan of these films but every time someone says they want a sequel to MoS I'm just like what the hell do you think BvS is?)
What i know about james is that he make the guardians who they are. no metter what clothes they put on u will connet with them. And if he made the character so iconic that no metter what his suit is. We will always love him and connect with his. That would make the best superman movie. Just my simple wise.
Can't we just love both? Also, the reason Supes wore a black suit in the Snyder Cut was to reflect his Kryptonian heritage because Kryptonians wore black suits.
Zack Snyder may not be everyone's cup of tea but he does have positive points too. Here are some things to consider about Zack Snyder: Visual storytelling: Snyder is known for his visually stunning and meticulously crafted films. His attention to detail and ability to bring comic book pages to life on the big screen are praised by fans and critics alike. Faithfulness to source material: Snyder’s adaptations, such as “Watchmen” and “300”, are often praised for their faithfulness to the original source material. He has a deep understanding of the comics and is able to translate their themes and tone to the screen. Unique vision: Snyder’s films often have a distinct, bold, and unapologetic tone that sets them apart from other superhero movies. His willingness to take risks and push boundaries is admired by fans who appreciate his commitment to his artistic vision. Character development: Snyder’s films often focus on character development, particularly in his DC Extended Universe (DCEU) movies. He has been praised for giving characters like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman more depth and nuance. Ambition: Snyder’s projects, such as “Justice League” and “Army of the Dead”, demonstrate his willingness to take on ambitious and complex stories. His ability to balance multiple plot threads and characters is impressive. Authenticity: Snyder’s passion for the source material and his commitment to his artistic vision are genuine and authentic. Fans appreciate his sincerity and dedication to bringing these stories to life. Fan engagement: Snyder has been praised for his engagement with fans, particularly in the case of the “Snyder Cut” of “Justice League”. His willingness to listen to fan feedback and respond to their demands for a director’s cut has earned him respect and admiration. Some specific quotes from critics and fans that highlight these aspects include: “Snyder’s visual storytelling is a marvel” (The A.V. Club) “Snyder’s faithfulness to the source material is impressive” (IGN) “Snyder’s unique vision is refreshing in a genre often dominated by formulaic blockbusters” (The Hollywood Reporter) “Snyder’s character development is some of the best in the genre” (Collider) “Snyder’s ambition is admirable, and his ability to balance multiple plot threads is impressive” (Variety) “Snyder’s authenticity and passion for the source material shine through in his films” (Comic Book Resources) “Snyder’s engagement with fans is a breath of fresh air in an industry often criticized for its lack of transparency and accountability” (The Verge)
I’m sorry, but james Gunn isn’t overrated hack and we have to remember. This is the same guy who said flash was the best movie he ever saw. What I find funny about the teaser is that if it had directed by Zach Snyder rather than James Gunn everyone will be ripping it apart They would cry that he made Superman too mopey , he has too many side characters and that Lex Luthor is too young but since it’s james gun it’s OK
I’m sorry, but james Gunn isn’t overrated hack and we have to remember. This is the same guy who said flash was the best movie he ever saw. What I find funny about the teaser is that if it had directed by Zach Snyder rather than James Gunn everyone will be ripping it apart They would cry that he made Superman too mopey , he has too many side characters and that Lex Luthor is too young but since it’s james gun it’s OK
I would like to see the Legion of Superheroes become the inevitable destiny of the characters in this new cinematic universe. Taking inspiration from Earth-22 Kingdom Come. Not that Injustice-like hellscape from the DCEU. Zack’s plans sounded absurd. Batman and Lois have an affair, Lois gets pregnant with Bruce’s kid, the Greek gods were actually ancient Kryptonians? Yeah, enough of that noise.
He also missed the point of the dark knight returns, you're not supposed to idolize that Batman but even that Batman still had the motivation of fighting crime and corruption and saved more people there compared to the nihilistic DCEU counterpart
One thing I know for sure about James Gunn is that he knows how to write good characters. GOTG Vol. 1 had four random people, and he made it a hit. The same thing happened with Peacemaker. As for Zack, one thing in his favor is that Man of Steel was an excellent movie. Maybe not comic-accurate, but still a good movie. In my opinion, it was a cinematic masterpiece. They portrayed it in a different way, and it worked. I also think it was good because Nolan was partially involved. Zack knows how to direct things, but I don’t think he’s great at writing. That’s why the movies after Man of Steel were not as good in comparison.
James gunn is also doing creature commandos which has been great so far, I recommend. We see clay face a lot in Harley Quinn and even in the lastest episode of CC, I think he's probably just a hard concept to get right with cgi for the big screen
I thought about that giant saw for weeks after I watched Army of the Dead. If I remember correctly Bautista uses it to open a hatch and thats it. Wild, was so ready for some insane saw zombie shenanigans.
I enjoy watching scenes from Snyder’s films but I don’t rewatch them very often. I do rewatch Gunn’s films and it is mainly to see how things fit together. Thanks for helping me see why. Friendly correction: Snyder is not pronounced like “Schneider.” I’m married to a Snyder and he hates that.
as soon as they showed doomsday in the bvs trailer, i knew for a certainty they did not know what they were doing.... this is the first time batman and superman are meeting in a legitimate live-action movie - that in itself should be the main event.... and you feel you need to throw in doomsday (essentially crowbarring in the death of superman arc) all into one movie... sheeeeesh
@@angelglass2618you are right. The biggest mockery of human intelligence is “save martha”. Our mothers have same name so we will go from enemies fighting like rabid dogs to besties like lil girls.
Cant have cynicism without sincerity. Zack snyder is someone who hates superheroes. Putting someone like him in charge of Superman and Batman was a mistake. We dont need DC movies were Robin is dead and Jimmy Olsen gets shot in the face just to show how "hard" they're trying to be.
The main difference is that Zack Snyder's Superman was not Superman but a god who descended from heaven to help or enslave the weak. Even his dark-colored suit did not let anyone get close. That was the reason why Batman never trusted him, including the other members of the Justice League. The difference with James Gunn's Superman is that just by the colorful suit you realize that he does not want to be superior, but someone who wants to be normal (the initial scene where he bleeds highlights this) but is willing to help those most in need regardless of race, nationality, religion, etc. That is what makes him Superman.
The difference between Gunn & Zack is one is a screenwriter/storyteller while the other is a visual artist/cinematographer. Both have their moments with their movies & appeal to different audiences so anybody can like whatever they like, I'm mainly tired of the debate between their directions
So it’s considering glazing to praise good film making. Tell me why he’s glazing. He’s not a snyderbot, those guys are the definition of glazing. Yet you say he’s glazing for what, saying his movies are good.
Snyder is great for striking images but they aren't always anchored to storytelling and characters, they just look great. Gunn for me is always characters first and then uses images to deepen our understanding of characters
Snyder like you said does moments. He generally doesnt do stories. Snyder fans will post a cool compositional frame by the man and go "peak cinema" when the various other bits of filmmaking are overlooked. Set up/pay off, theme, nuance. Snyder can craft a movie poster but hes a thoughtless storyteller.
Zack Snyder: Style over substance
James Gunn: Style with substance
He's actually very good when he's telling stories written by other people.
I feel like Snyder would fit more in a Russo brother type role where he does the action scenes for the big team up movies
He is a good director but not a good writer and that was the problem, he wanted to be involved in everything instead of focusing only in directing... 🤷
@@DurianKingmost of his good movies were written by someone else
The big differences between James Gunn and Zack Snyder is Gunn is a storyteller, and Snyder isn't. James Gunn is a screenwriter, Snyder isn't. James Gunn is a director, Zack Snyder is more of a good cinematographer.
Save for ZSJL, Snyder didn’t write the dc films🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
He isn't even the cinematographer of his DC films, it's Larry Fong. That's why Rebel Moon is so lackluster in cinematogrpahy too, Fong did not work on it. Rebel Moon, the films also ignored by Snyder fans, I wonder why.
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And the Snyder Cut is worse than Man of Steel and both cuts of Batman V Superman.
Synder is more of a director than you’ll ever be.
@@master-of-mind5881Are you 5?
James Gunn's new little policy, revolving around movies not being put into production until he's given a completed script, is what inspires incredible hope for this new DCU, I also thoroughly enjoy, the introduction to this new universe Creature Commandos, and while according to James Gunn, nothing is canon until its mentioned in the new DCU, I am excited to see how this is conveyed through the new movies and show, to continue continuity errors, with this sort of soft reboot.
a finished script doesn't mean a film will be good. The first Avengers wasn't a finished script and countless MCU films. David Ayer's Suicide Squad had a finish script and it sucked.
@@gohanson27 this policy immediately stops any of that stupid crunch crap where the studio changes a million different things a million different times right before the deadline. it's called not procrastinating, and it's a good thing.
@@gohanson27 but the studio had suicide squad re-edited to match the tone and feel of its trailer.
The version we have is chopped up & trimed down, granted since we never got the ayer's cut we wont now if it would have been better or not?
@@bmprimer7809 it's a good and bad thing. There's no perfect formula. Like Gunn said "you may not like the film, but at least it was a finished script"
@@thetrench8486 the thing about the Ayer Cut and original film is the script wasn't changed. The film was only edited to fit the tone of the trailer. Script was completed and the edit was a minor issue, the script was terrible. "What are we, some type of Suicide Squad?" Ayer wrote that, not the edit team.
They're only reusing the John Williams score for certain bits but they have confirmed this Superman will have his own theme by the end of the film.
Is it true
Actually disappointed by that. Like I get wanting to create your own thing but the Williams theme is Superman. I certainly am fine with taking it for a spin. No reason to just blare out something from the ‘70’s without update but that’s the theme. Like I would find it bizarre to do a Star Wars film without the Force theme or the main theme squirreled away somewhere in the score.
@rubaiyat300 they don't want to completely copy it, but the new theme will evolve from the 78 theme.
I've heard arguments arguing that reusing the score even if its just a homage is still stupid and they shouldn't try and nostalgia bait the audience and make something new but we've only seen a complete homage to the donner films and a complete 180 on the traditional and original iteration of superman with Man of steel's dark and different take, so if Gunn can mold it together, with the grounded tone and modern action sequences with the classic and hopefulness of the donner films, with comic nods and ideas, we are gold
@@OrbitZombie we can't trust nothing gunn says
In the words of RLM, “you may not have noticed, *but your brain did*”
what video is that from
Their phantom menace reviews
@@meciociogo and watch all of their videos
Ironic to quote them considering they wanted JJ Abrams to direct Star Wars when this video critiques JJ Abrams Star Wars.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 impressed me a lot. There are a lot of writers who would've straight up contradicted Endgame or ignored it due to how much of a monkey wrench it throws into things.
But James Gunn masterfully played off of Endgame and tailored his story in a way that made sense. He acknowledged but also utilized alternate Gamora just existing and how Peter has to deal with that. While still doing the Rocket and Adam stuff that he teased
@@racool911 he was like “f that mask and jet boots though, I got rid of those” 🤣🤣🤣 still bummed we didn’t get Quill in the classic costume with the mask but that’s a nitpick.
@@NickolasNameolas GotG 3 was terrible
@@night6724you must be infected with COVID because you got no taste
@@night6724 Cool! Didn't ask though.
@@NickolasNameolas I respect his statement there, because they did get destroyed in GOTG3, then the Russos had him magically repair them off screen.
Synder is like Michael Bay. He doesn't care about story telling. He just wants to make scenes look really cool with slow motion and shaky cams.
The difference is Bay is fully aware of how stupid his movies can be stupid and doesn't pretend they're deeper than what they actually are.
Zack thinks he's the second coming of cinema itself and would look you dead in the eye and tell you only a small minority of people hate his movies.
Snyder doesn't use shaky cams
Nah. Bay can do dumb shit if he wants to, but he also multiple times made movies that actually had something to say. Unlike Snyder, Bay understands his limitations and is happy to direct the hell out of somebody else's script, while Snyder can't accept he can't write to save his life
I’ve said this exact thing for YEARS. Snyder is Michael Bay who thinks he’s David Fincher
Not true both are different. MoS and BvS were telling stories can't say the same for Michael. Anyway, Zack is a director not a good writer
James Gunn is a spectacular storyteller. He never fails to make the audience feel.
James Gunn just makes better films, period. I think his real strength is how much he gets you to care about the characters. I don't know anyone that wasn't worried when king shark fell out of the tower in his suicide squad movie. Same with rocket. Can anyone really say they cared or were worried in a Znyder film post-Dawn of the dead.
Exactly, we need a director who could make us care about the DC cinematic universe.
Didn't even cared when superman died
Yeah, James Gunn does have a better track record (I honestly can't think of a bad movie he's done), but I can confidently say that I cared about what happened in alot of Snyder's movies.
James Gunn took a highly obscure IP in the form of Guardians of the Galaxy and made it one of the most popular groups in the MCU. Nobody complains about how it's not comic accurate because nobody remembers them. I grew up reading Marvel and I think my only real experiences with them is when they occasionally crossed over with Thor, Dark Hawk and Airwalker. I was a bit familiar with Rocket, but he's actually spent more time with the damn Avengers lol.
I forgot to add that the explanation for the Peacemaker characters meeting the old justice league is likely going to be in Creature Commandos. Even though it's an animated series, Viola Davis is voice acting Amanada Waller and there are some plot points that might take care of the old justice league cross over.
About reusing the John Williams Superman Theme...Why does Superman need a new theme? Do people complain about the Bond theme being reused from each Bond film?(I'm sure the answer is yes but they are in the minority) The theme is iconic and using that as a recurring theme that persists beyond the current iteration of a character...is good branding(I hate myself for saying that but its true)
@@Spiderhunter maybe it’s because I always liked the way the animated series theme took the basic vibe of the Williams theme but did its own thing. I do love a big bombastic fanfare.
@@NickolasNameolas I agree that Superman Animated series theme is very good without directly lifting from the Williams theme...but you said it yourself, it still has the same vibe...its still being influenced by Williams. At that point why not just use the bones of the Williams theme, something that is already good, to create a newer version of the Superman theme? This is yet another version of Superman so its not like this movie isn't already building off of all previous versions of Superman in someway. As long as its not overused in the movie itself, I think it's fine to reuse the Williams Superman theme.
How easy do you think it is to create an iconic theme? The MCU certainly has a theme for The Avengers ...is it good...sure I guess...but is it Iconic? No. The Williams Superman theme IS Iconic.
And given track record some old Superman related actors will show up in this somewhere. They’ve been doing that (at least for Superman) since at least the 70’s (I can’t recall if they did a throwback to like the 30’s radio show in the 50’s tv show). So like lean into the fact they solved Superman’s theme 50 years ago.
@@Spiderhuntercan’t really know until we hear the new score/theme. Maybe you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how it sounds, maybe you won’t. I’d have to imagine either way it’ll be inspired by Williams score in the same way the animated series was, considering what we’ve heard so far was
That's why bond is awful
I'm not really a fan of James Gunn, but I trust him more than Zack Snyder.
Lies again? Just Grab Ticket Master Zombies
@@NazriBuang-w9v
Rip snyderverse
I was praying on its downfall since Batman vs Superman
Just don't trust him with your kids.
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@@AntiLifeEquation1 yikes LOL.
I'm watching Creature Commandos right now and it's a James Gunn project. It is very good.
Ehhh
Agreed the show is good
I turned off after 12 minutes its unwatchable, its really bad.
@@privatechannel8462did you even watched the same show?
@@privatechannel8462 "I turned off after 12 minutes"
Is admitting that you didn't even fully watch the first episode of "Creature Commandos" supposed to make your opinion of it valid somehow lol?
Helps that James Gunn's works so far have very strong anti-US imperialism themes, the opposite of Snyder's US military propaganda and the MCU's centrism
What are you smoking?
That was KIND OF one movie.
Snyder is woke btw.
Why do you think his daughter off'ed herself?
Because he's a wacko Commie and she couldn't take it.
Tom King who James Gunn has cited as a key writing and story consultant on the DCU is a literal CIA Agent (fact check it - it’s right there on his Wikipedia article with sources). Unfortunately I doubt we will get anything more politically radical than what the MCU has already depicted
I dont see JG works as left leaning i would say his works is pretty much centrist, also even tho Snyder movie have a "right" vibe ironically Snyder is voting for democrat lol
I think MCU is more left leaning recently
Meanwhile james gunn made a foreign boy raise a flag for superman and ask his help. Looks like US propaganda.
Ok, officially interested in a superhero movie again after being burned out on them
I felt the same very optimistic feeling of hope from this Gunn Superman trailer too. Say what you want, I’m ready for this one. Not so much for the last ones.
I think you nailed it. Gunn understands the basic necessities of storytelling (ie setup & payoff, character arcs, motivations, etc) in a way that Snyder doesn’t seem to have locked down (yet?). Snyder clearly has mastery of visual artistry, but it seems more about being cool or epic than actually being a part of telling the story. A part of what made the MCU successful for as long as it was is that the essentials of storytelling were usually present in even their worst movies while the DCEU had studio execs interfering with nearly every project and even going so far as to recut films to oblivion. The MCU has suffered from a lot of different aspects over the past few years in particular with a sense of monotony and an implacable release schedule that overworked SFX and rushed scripts and rewrites; I’m very interested in the mission statement that Gunn expressed that the new DCU will be a mix of tones and that having a good *completed* script is the key to any project moving forward
Sounds fair. But honestly, for me, Zack's Man of Steel was an amazing movie , i loved it (Even if Rebel Moon was horribly bad). And Henry Cavill was for me perfect Superman. So im a bit sad about the end of it and the change. From the trailer Guns Superman seems abit more fantasy/fairy Tale then the realistic dark tone of Zacks, which might not be a bad thing, but it seems it will be different for sure. We shall see, i do hope its good.
You lack a fundamental understanding of how filmmaking and storytelling works because you’ve adopted a flawed viewpoint and you use this perspective to try and scrutinise Synder’s work. Everything you mentioned Synder has already accomplished. I actually feel sorry for you because you have no idea what you are talking about. You need to take your supplements that will boost your intelligence. Wake up.
@ wrong.
I understand that, I like what Gunn is doing hope it's good. Just wished Snyder and Henry wasn't shafted like that due to WBs incompetence.
@@master-of-mind5881 shut up
Glad to have you back and been seeing you across the interweb making guest spots
Why are they using the John Williams Superman theme? For the same reason Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and 007 still use tgeir respective themes. It is synonymous with their respective characters. Superman is incomplete without that theme music.
Superman should be treated like 007. No matter the iteration, he's got his theme. Slightly modified but always familiar.
All of them are already tired out
@@joaolucaslopes1961 ua-cam.com/users/shortspGC_YOfyVlY?si=XrFEqJ9AOtsYGupB
7:15 Gunn already said he’s RETCONNING the Justice league interaction with Peacemaker. It’s a SHARED universe, did y’all forget. We’ll get a clean slate eventually down the road once it’s established.
Also you forget DC has their own multiverse going on just like Marvel now… they can cast whoever the hell they want wether it’s recast lol
nobody forgot anything. we just dont know how it will work and people are naturally curious, confused, or skeptical. You know they just got rid of all the "beloved" cast from ZSJL but they are keeping James Gunn's people. HOW and for others that arent nerds online all day looking at videos like this, they will wonder WHY!?
@@RayValdezPhotography james gunn is good at this kind of things he is a huge nerd of superheroes and he knows his source materials. if he kept the original main cast how will he be able to redo superman make another origin story how do you explain to the casual viewer this is another universe. peacemaker is a obscure character who is a side show most who watch it are already fans and not a casual viewer. if he can hire great directors who love this characters and they understand them I think we will have a great time. even for this movie he said he contacted his friend Snyder for how he did somethings and how he shot some of the action scenes and he also agreed on the Trunks of superman until Dvid said he likes the trunks and would be a great addition to it.
The easy way is to have the appreance being a hallucination after all Peacemaker has hallucinated before and is the only one that does anything that refers to the JL.
I would like to see Adam Strange, Animal Man, the Question, Zatanna, Lobo and Jonah Hex!
Jonah Hex deserves a movie that isn't that hot mess with Megan Fox from forever ago. 😂
@dangerxbadger2300 yeah I mean I think almost any DC character that has endured deserves a good movie. If they lasted more than a few years it was probably for a reason and if they got a movie that wasn't good the movie didn't really highlight why this character works.
Zatanna is definitely happening. I hope we see a Justice League Dark with her, The Demon, Constantine, Swamp Thing, and Detective Chimp in the roster. Maybe Gunn will be able to woo Del Toro to direct it.
In Gunn I trust.
Just dont trust him with your children.
@@AntiLifeEquation1 Again with that?? That's not true
@@toybonnie9329 Plenty of tweets prove otherwise. Go ahead and support the pdf file to your hearts content. My wallet is closed!!!
@@AntiLifeEquation1 Pretty sure you’re just projecting buddy, if anyone’s a pedo here, it’s you; since you’re the one mentioning that someone else is a Pedo. He who said it, must be one himself; in other words you’re outing yourself as one. Go to jail, you will.
Stop the Gunn slander you must, or be outed as a Pedo yourself. Since you wanna mention Pedophilia out of nowhere when no one asked you to bud.
Source trust me bro lol,
Snyderverse is dead move on edgelords you're not 16 anymore.
Also "wallets closed" let me gets another # movement? Work for the batman am I right? 😂
הסופרמן החדש מרגש אותי מאוד בתור אוהב הדוק של כריסטופר ריב אני מאמין שבסוף סוף נזכה לצדק שמגיעה לסופרמן על המסך הגדול
Style over substance for Snyder, while Gunn can tackle each with balance from his Superhero films
Don’t be ridiculous. Go back to school and learn how writing works. Gunn’s superman will be the end of Superman.
@@master-of-mind5881 Go back to watching Tyrone Magnus where this kind of goofiness belongs.
@@master-of-mind5881100%.
@@master-of-mind5881 Let's come back to your comment in about 12 months time, and see if you were right. Maybe you will be! Maybe you'll be dead-wrong.
@@master-of-mind5881I don’t think YOU know how writing works. James Gunn has proven time and time again that he knows how to write great stories. If you can’t see that then you do not understand true storytelling.
Zack doesn't write too good...
Gunn always had a gift for it and has only gotten better...
I don't think much more needs to be added to this convo haha it's pretty cut and dry.
Nuance and storytelling are words that are too big for Zack to understand. All he knows is: slow motion, jesus references, and smashing action figures together
You're the proof of dunning kruger effect
Like gunn merging the new universe and the old one, instead of a total reboot with fresh start
@@joaolucaslopes1961 its literally a reboot dumb 😂
@@Ammarnafiz12345 """sure """
@@joaolucaslopes1961 womp womp
Justice league was so mid.
The background beat for this video goes so hard
My first time seeing one of your vids. Good shit! SUBSCRIBED! I'm a bit of a DC old head. Grew up in the 80s and 90s reading my older brothers comic books from the late 60s and 70s; my first favorite superhero movie was Christopher Reeve in Superman but Batman was always my favorite character so Burton's '89 film was a life changing event. Batman The Animated Series was my after school jams. As an adult I have been an amateur/indie filmmaker off and on, working as a production assistant and writing screenplays. I think you nailed most of this topic on the head. Can't wait to check out more of your content!
Synder doesn't understand super heroes. He understands cynical heroes.
James Gunn can write good movies.
Zack Snyder can write .... wait let me think which good movie does he have....maybe 1 i guess
I trust it because James Gunns movies are better written and Gunn can write a movie.
I'm very excited for the Clayface movie because of Mike Flanagan writing. His work for Haunting of Hill House, Midnight Mass, and the Fall of the House of Usher was incredible.
I dont really care for superhero movies in general, but I'd honestly listen to you talk about paint drying if it were something you were passionate about bc you have this way of getting people emotionally invested in whatever topic is at hand, because you seem to always be writing about things you have a ton of knowledge on and are intensely fascinated by. That shit is contagious, man. Keep talking about the things you like, the things you hate, whatever it is that makes you feel something strong, that makes life feel more real for you. Even if it's esoteric or weird, that energy is gonna pull folks in and have them along for the ride regardless, and that is a gift you shouldn't squander. ❤
YES! I’ve been complaining for years about the set up and lack of pay off that is rampant in movies and television shows. It is super frustrating to see a movie or TV show promised something and it never delivers.
What's frustrating about Zack is, he doesn't use what's already there, like the whole floating dust payoff, you have the codex for that and he could build on that for actually interesting plot beats
It's a bunch of okay ideas but the pivot and execution is so poorly done, that it makes it look like terrible ideas in retrospect
I agree with your point about it being "inverted The Boys", this new superman logo is basically a nice version of the Kingdom Come logo, which is where I think he's going with this, "a Hope Punk Kingdom Come" with the MCU as the stand-in metaphor, kinda like what we got with Orgocorp in GOTG 3
Gunn does good deconstruction- Valid and meaningful breakdown and replaces with something better
Snyder does bad deconstruction- Vacuous and facile breakdown with empty or weaker replacement.
Alan Moore and Garth Ennis actually wrote well written poignant Superman stories despite being known for deconstructing superheroes. Even they have respect for Superman and who he is.
@@petermj1098 i'm more thinking amongst filmmakers but yeah good point
The Coen brothers, David Fincher, Mike Flanagan. There’s just so many other filmmakers out there people could be championing and Snyder is who they go with.
Let's see a Swamp Thing movie! Maybe get a good horror director to do it and have it include a John Constantine cameo to set up a Hellblazer movie.
@@drucktown5 hell yeah
Would love to see Nia DaCosta tackle on Hellblazer
Swamp Thing is happening. Fucking Oscar nominated James Mangold is directing it. It will be amazing.
Im really not the type to fanboy over movie directors but most of James Gunn’s movies feel more human than anything Snyder ever put out and I’ve just watched guardians of the galaxy Vol 3 recently so I’m not worried at all about his version of Superman…
I recall having so many issues with man of steel despite not hating it, but as the DCU went on it just got worse and it all felt like it was made by an edgy teenager that only had some out of order pages and drawings of the comics he was pulling from. So again very happy about the lighter tone and trailer of Gunn’s Superman.
The only reason you need to give is that Gunn is a competent storyteller with an understanding and respect for these characters while Snyder is none of those things.
James Gunn is an incompetent storyteller and his movies are trash
@@night6724suck znyder*
James Gunn Said everything in peacemaker is cannon except for the Justice leage cameo
It's already a mess 😅😅😅
Superman = Hope
Snyderman = Nope
If you need a fictional character to have hope 😂😂😂
@joaolucaslopes1961 well Christians do have their own...
@@lorenzoaramirez3915 superman fans have the same behavior 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@joaolucaslopes1961 wishing for hope? I guess.
@lorenzoaramirez3915 you said it was because of a fictional character 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mind you, those dust particles meant nothing over Clark coffin because he was literally dead. Should've hinted at the motherboxes reviving him in the final act instead.
I actually think it's kind of an academic point whether Snyder's DCEU films are considered failures or not. Whatever anyone, including the studio itself, thinks of them, no one is taking them away from the people that enjoyed them. I like pineapple on pizza, and it doesn't change my enjoyment at all to hear people complain about it, or even tell me I shouldn't like it. I get to like what I like, and people can mind their own business. In other news, I loved The Last Jedi. I'd be delighted to see more Rian Johnson Star Wars, but I'm not angry at the world for depriving me of that. Life goes on, ya know?
Yes, we're not gonna get any more Zack Snyder DCEU films, but we're also never going to get another Chris Nolan Batman, or another Russo Brothers Captain America, or another Joss Whedon Avengers. So what? We should appreciate movies for themselves, not only as a set-up for some as-yet unmade film that supposedly would bring everything together and blow our minds. I was disappointed by The Dark Knight Rises, as were many, but it only made me appreciate the achievement of The Dark Knight all the more. I certainly don't feel upset that we never got more movies in the Nolan-verse. It was good while it lasted, and then it was over, and I was ready for the next thing. If people felt the Snyder-Verse is incomplete after three films and several spin-offs, maybe those films weren't as satisfying as they could have been. Or maybe their fans should just love them for what they are, three whole movies that, apparently, did those characters exactly the way their fans wanted. What's the problem?
@@rottensquid Well said! 😆👏👏👏 It’s hilarious to see Snyder’s brain-rotten fans clinging desperately, trying to save their dead universe, lol. It’s quite entertaining to watch them twist the truth and preach about how great a job Snyder did in the DCEU. The reality is, the man single-handedly ruined the entire cinematic universe, lol. The Snyderverse is dead-bury it already, lmao!
I am a snyder fan and i agree with you
It's Snyder not Schneider.
Every time you said his name I kept thinking of that Rob Schneider bit from South Park.
That's auto-translated captions for you tho-
@@alyasVictorioI can literally hear him saying Schneider, even without any subtitles.
Every Nickolas video is a gift!
Snyder made a Snyder diluted version of the injustice Superman. Cool fan art- almost none of the kal El dna
What do you mean? Outside of the nightmare and post-resurrection scenes, Synder's Superman never became a villain.
@@anonymous_5016 facts
@@anonymous_5016he didnt but it's clear that's where he wanted to go with his superman
I think Snyder tries to setup -> payoff formula... It just doesn't come off in as satisfying of a way. One I think of that I haven't seen mentioned much was in BvS. There is a dream sequence where Batman is hanging, chained up with bodies to his left and right. Superman drops in and uses his laser vision on each body, instilling fear in Batman. It has a slight payoff later during their fight where Superman lasers the two Shockwave turrets Batman setup to his left and right. You can almost see it reaffirming Batman's fear. Nice bit of setup and payoff but what it is paying off isn't satisfying to what you'd want out of superman. Snyder's version of the character was one who was capable of becoming what Superman is in the injustice universe and that isn't satisfying.
5:20 Red Letter Media always says you may not have noticed, but your brain did
Great video, so happy to see you getting more views, you deserve it!
James Gunn spend time to make a good storyline he's the man and he adds humor
That's why he's mixing dcu with dceu. Like Fox messing with x-men timeline
Actually that moment with dirt on the Superman coffin is stated to be symbolic that of hope, kind of like how Superman brings hope when the dust rises when he takes flight. And the black suit is something of an evolution of his character, something to level up in, you could take that with how he interacts with a butterfly, signifying transformation.
I'd like to see a show or movie using the Question, the Justice League Unlimited version of the Question to be exact.
We will definitely see a version of that character in Gunn’s DCU. He loves elevating the weird and obscure. I still can’t believe he brought Starro to live action.
8:09 I can understand your reasoning behind Absurdity vs Realism. It’s genuinely tough to pull off.
But that’s why Guardians of the Galaxy was so Good. And I feel that it’s been intergrated into the rest of Marvel VERY WELL after Gunn’s first movie.
James Gunn has a much more diverse skill set than Zack. Zack Mastered action and visual design, but that's it. Everything solo film he did was ahhs.
Dawn of the dead was a collaboration project of Zack and James Gunn. Watchmen screen play and story was written by David Hayter & Alex Tse, Directed by Zack.
Zack can make good movies, as long as he doesn't write them 😁
Divisive in what? If all of Gunn's movies feel exactly the same
@@angelglass2618lol stop lying
What I want is a Spectre movie from Snyder. The Spectre would play to all Snyder's strengths and make strengths of all his quirks.
is it just my brain that's broken or did someone else notice mick foley's car crash sting? 1:06
I share the same sentiments. A bunch of loose ends that never get addressed in Snyder films.
ben affleck played one helluva lex luthor - down to the fear, paranoia, obsession, armored suit, and use of kryptonite
I've never heard that before but holy shit you're right. The charisma was the only thing he was lacking.
Michael s. Hall too could be a great alex luthor
Immediately liked and subbed!
Zack never intended to make Superman hopeful, explanation of the S aside
Thank you for acknowledging that MoS, BvS and ZSJL are absolutely a trilogy. BvS is as sequel to MoS in every possible way and JL is a sequel to BvS in every possible way. The only thing that would hold them back from being a trilogy is the clear desire to set up yet another film or several.
(I'm not a fan of these films but every time someone says they want a sequel to MoS I'm just like what the hell do you think BvS is?)
Is it because most everything Gunn makes is gold and most everything Snyder makes is hot garbage?
Like suicide flop 🤣🤣🤣
As a hack fraud once said, "You may not have noticed it, but your brain did."
There are a lot of Snyder and MCU stans out there praying for this Universe to fail.
What i know about james is that he make the guardians who they are. no metter what clothes they put on u will connet with them. And if he made the character so iconic that no metter what his suit is. We will always love him and connect with his. That would make the best superman movie. Just my simple wise.
Exactly.
Can't we just love both? Also, the reason Supes wore a black suit in the Snyder Cut was to reflect his Kryptonian heritage because Kryptonians wore black suits.
No
Zack Snyder may not be everyone's cup of tea but he does have positive points too. Here are some things to consider about Zack Snyder:
Visual storytelling: Snyder is known for his visually stunning and meticulously crafted films. His attention to detail and ability to bring comic book pages to life on the big screen are praised by fans and critics alike.
Faithfulness to source material: Snyder’s adaptations, such as “Watchmen” and “300”, are often praised for their faithfulness to the original source material. He has a deep understanding of the comics and is able to translate their themes and tone to the screen.
Unique vision: Snyder’s films often have a distinct, bold, and unapologetic tone that sets them apart from other superhero movies. His willingness to take risks and push boundaries is admired by fans who appreciate his commitment to his artistic vision.
Character development: Snyder’s films often focus on character development, particularly in his DC Extended Universe (DCEU) movies. He has been praised for giving characters like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman more depth and nuance.
Ambition: Snyder’s projects, such as “Justice League” and “Army of the Dead”, demonstrate his willingness to take on ambitious and complex stories. His ability to balance multiple plot threads and characters is impressive.
Authenticity: Snyder’s passion for the source material and his commitment to his artistic vision are genuine and authentic. Fans appreciate his sincerity and dedication to bringing these stories to life.
Fan engagement: Snyder has been praised for his engagement with fans, particularly in the case of the “Snyder Cut” of “Justice League”. His willingness to listen to fan feedback and respond to their demands for a director’s cut has earned him respect and admiration.
Some specific quotes from critics and fans that highlight these aspects include:
“Snyder’s visual storytelling is a marvel” (The A.V. Club)
“Snyder’s faithfulness to the source material is impressive” (IGN)
“Snyder’s unique vision is refreshing in a genre often dominated by formulaic blockbusters” (The Hollywood Reporter)
“Snyder’s character development is some of the best in the genre” (Collider)
“Snyder’s ambition is admirable, and his ability to balance multiple plot threads is impressive” (Variety)
“Snyder’s authenticity and passion for the source material shine through in his films” (Comic Book Resources)
“Snyder’s engagement with fans is a breath of fresh air in an industry often criticized for its lack of transparency and accountability” (The Verge)
I’m sorry, but james Gunn isn’t overrated hack and we have to remember. This is the same guy who said flash was the best movie he ever saw.
What I find funny about the teaser is that if it had directed by Zach Snyder rather than James Gunn everyone will be ripping it apart
They would cry that he made Superman too mopey , he has too many side characters and that Lex Luthor is too young but since it’s james gun it’s OK
I’m sorry, but james Gunn isn’t overrated hack and we have to remember. This is the same guy who said flash was the best movie he ever saw.
What I find funny about the teaser is that if it had directed by Zach Snyder rather than James Gunn everyone will be ripping it apart
They would cry that he made Superman too mopey , he has too many side characters and that Lex Luthor is too young but since it’s james gun it’s OK
I would like to see the Legion of Superheroes become the inevitable destiny of the characters in this new cinematic universe. Taking inspiration from Earth-22 Kingdom Come. Not that Injustice-like hellscape from the DCEU. Zack’s plans sounded absurd. Batman and Lois have an affair, Lois gets pregnant with Bruce’s kid, the Greek gods were actually ancient Kryptonians? Yeah, enough of that noise.
Hopefully no Nu52 bs either.
He wanted Joker 2 prison scene, but for Batman, among other ideas that were in Joker 2, but in an unironic way.
He also missed the point of the dark knight returns, you're not supposed to idolize that Batman but even that Batman still had the motivation of fighting crime and corruption and saved more people there compared to the nihilistic DCEU counterpart
One thing I know for sure about James Gunn is that he knows how to write good characters. GOTG Vol. 1 had four random people, and he made it a hit. The same thing happened with Peacemaker. As for Zack, one thing in his favor is that Man of Steel was an excellent movie. Maybe not comic-accurate, but still a good movie. In my opinion, it was a cinematic masterpiece. They portrayed it in a different way, and it worked. I also think it was good because Nolan was partially involved. Zack knows how to direct things, but I don’t think he’s great at writing. That’s why the movies after Man of Steel were not as good in comparison.
Well, James Gunn's Superman is actually Superman, unlike Snyder's emo Jesus
Emo like this?
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James gunn is also doing creature commandos which has been great so far, I recommend. We see clay face a lot in Harley Quinn and even in the lastest episode of CC, I think he's probably just a hard concept to get right with cgi for the big screen
You bring up the Zack Attack crowd and yet not a single mention of Mark-Paul Gosselaar.
7:56 In my experience, writers generally want you to hate Guy Gardener lol.
In Gunn We Trust.
He is a hack
@@night6724 You should probably hide your "Hot Roblox Girls ❤" playlist before you try being a troll on UA-cam.
Edit: There you go. NOW it's hidden.
@@night6724sure bud
Video well articulates many things.
Would you want to do another hip hop vid?
@@RblastonYT yeah, I got a couple lined up.
I thought about that giant saw for weeks after I watched Army of the Dead. If I remember correctly Bautista uses it to open a hatch and thats it. Wild, was so ready for some insane saw zombie shenanigans.
I mean the fact that people can be fans of Snyder in a reality where Rebel Moon movies existed is beyond me.
I enjoy watching scenes from Snyder’s films but I don’t rewatch them very often. I do rewatch Gunn’s films and it is mainly to see how things fit together. Thanks for helping me see why.
Friendly correction: Snyder is not pronounced like “Schneider.” I’m married to a Snyder and he hates that.
I still love Man of Steel, I really liked the media being portrayed and how we'd react to him.
Great video! 80s movies like ‘Back to the Future’ and ‘Die Hard’ were masterclasses in set up and payoff.
James Gunn is a better director and storyteller than Zack Snyder. He actually makes you care about these characters. Snyder not so much.
I can't wait to hear your thoughts after Superman comes out!!!
man of steel was the only good dceu film
For me it was Aquaman along side the first Wonder Woman Movie
Exactly this.
@@thabzaisreal yeah wonder woman and Aquaman were great too
Wonder Woman, Aquaman and The Suicide Squad are the top three
@@danielwright3929 zack snyder s justice league was great too i would say
for me:
1 man of steel
2 zack snyder s justice league
3 the suicide squad
living for you calling him schneider the whole time lol
I think Snyder should get another shot at veing involved with dc as long as he's not the primary person at the head of it all.
Can't say the same. Gunn praised a lot "The Flash" and resulted a miserable movie.
Thank god. No more Zach Snyder, Rise Rise James Gunn
as soon as they showed doomsday in the bvs trailer, i knew for a certainty they did not know what they were doing.... this is the first time batman and superman are meeting in a legitimate live-action movie - that in itself should be the main event.... and you feel you need to throw in doomsday (essentially crowbarring in the death of superman arc) all into one movie... sheeeeesh
I don’t even why anyone who prefer synder over Gunn after watching rebel moon
@isaiahGere
Well, I prefer Rebel Moon to things that are a mockery of human intelligence like Peacemaker.
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@@angelglass2618you are right. The biggest mockery of human intelligence is “save martha”. Our mothers have same name so we will go from enemies fighting like rabid dogs to besties like lil girls.
Cant have cynicism without sincerity. Zack snyder is someone who hates superheroes. Putting someone like him in charge of Superman and Batman was a mistake. We dont need DC movies were Robin is dead and Jimmy Olsen gets shot in the face just to show how "hard" they're trying to be.
The main difference is that Zack Snyder's Superman was not Superman but a god who descended from heaven to help or enslave the weak. Even his dark-colored suit did not let anyone get close. That was the reason why Batman never trusted him, including the other members of the Justice League. The difference with James Gunn's Superman is that just by the colorful suit you realize that he does not want to be superior, but someone who wants to be normal (the initial scene where he bleeds highlights this) but is willing to help those most in need regardless of race, nationality, religion, etc. That is what makes him Superman.
The difference between Gunn & Zack is one is a screenwriter/storyteller while the other is a visual artist/cinematographer. Both have their moments with their movies & appeal to different audiences so anybody can like whatever they like, I'm mainly tired of the debate between their directions
Glazing 😂
So it’s considering glazing to praise good film making. Tell me why he’s glazing. He’s not a snyderbot, those guys are the definition of glazing. Yet you say he’s glazing for what, saying his movies are good.
Snyder is great for striking images but they aren't always anchored to storytelling and characters, they just look great. Gunn for me is always characters first and then uses images to deepen our understanding of characters
wake up mom Nickolas Nameolas just uploaded another great one
I'm all for new themes, but frankly, the John Williams theme IS the Superman theme! It's the main reason I feel optimistic about the movie.