Valve employee reveals secrets behind CSGO's economy
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2023
- this is a rare interview of a csgo developer talking about csgo skins, csgo gameplay, and everything csgo from 2014. so many insane secrets behind the csgo skins economy!
discussing csgo live on twitch: / ohnepixel
GDC: / @gdconf - Ігри
Its so mindblowing it feels like she invented time travel in 2023 and went back in time and did this xd
It's most mindblowing when ohne said there's only like 14 ppl that work on CSGO? This is indeed fking insane in terms of value per employee yet I wouldn't say they are complacent of it.
This talk was make during GDC 2014. It's probably outdated
mfw a plan going like expected is mindblowing
Its always been like that, valve simply gives 0 fucks about CSGO. Why put an actual development team behind a game that seems to be floating around and making decent profits even without being updated? With a bit of effort they couldve made this game into the e-sports breakthrough and the steam market a place for actual investors but instead they waited til the hype slowly died, competitors like Valorant arose, and the steam market evolved into a gambling site because with all the bugged and fucked up skins you can never tell when the next crash is going to be...
30 dollars for a fire serpent, take me back
YOOOO MY BOI SPARKLES I LOVE YOU HOPE YOU DOING WELL
5000x buy order. Haha
still too much for that ugly skin. :D rare? fine,but....so ugly and so simple that skin. ppl are blind who like that exp. s*it.
If i knew it back on time i will be retired right now!
Mmm 64 💵 for dragon lore
We have to realize that Valve is stupidly smart. If there is no update, it's for a reason, they don't want to make shit updates, they learn from mistakes, they try to implement old maps and listen to pros about different changes, they don't want to break balance. There is a reason there is still a good following
Lol not really. Every time a map has been added they add it to the rotation without proper testing so they can use those games to improve it. They're more reactionary than anything.
@@SavouryLobster and that's better than literally every single company out there
Also keeping people waiting build up the hype .
Like eating sweets .. one may like eating sweets but give them too much of it they'll lose interest . Same for skin updates .
and yeah operations are valued for skins too nothing else . It doesn't add anything significant gameplay wise .
@@SavouryLobster reactionary and smart . Let the community do the work of testing . Why waste time money and energy .
Kind of like China smart .. copying and reverse engineering everything instead of reinventing the wheel .
>dota
So not only did they come up with the most automated way to create skins giving them billions of possibilities they then asked their community to do the heavy lifting for them. Holy shit they are genius.
Valves speciality is min-maxing their profit margins.
@@CLARENCErr skin creators get paid like ~200k per skin so... good deal for the community in my book
@@CLARENCErr Valve's specialty is min-maxing
@David Montgomery nobody's forcing anyone to make skins... getting your skin picked is like winning the lottery, if someone set out with the goal of "I'm going to get my skin added to the game!" then they'd be delusional
@David Montgomery how is a company saying "hey make a design for us and if we like it we'll buy the rights to it and pay you 200k" exploitative
like there's some logical jump there that I'm just not understanding? your statement would be true if they used/benefitted from any/ALL skins that people made or something? Valve is not making money off of skin creators that they don't pay.
if you're a graphic designer by profession, you can once again totally just not make a skin for Valve. Your strawman just doesn't even make any sense. *How* is that the same thing in any way? Working a job is something you need to live. People don't typically subsist off of entering art contests and hoping they win the 1/10000000 prize. It's something they do as a passion project if they have interest.
Do you think the game would be better off if Valve took the approach of making every single skin in-house? Skins would suck and people would be constantly whine about how skins don't come out frequently enough/are boring/why can't I make a skin it'd be way better than this
A Dota 2 like big prize pool actually would be a problem for CS:GO. In Dota 2, The International prize pool is so high that no other tournament is important, just the international matters for the teams. Imagine a world with just one big CS:GO tournament a year, the competitive scene wouldnt be as strong as it is today.
i did not think about that, great argument!
In Dota 2, you don’t have capsules with teams and autographs. Those alone bring Major’s contenders 3-5x of prize pool money. And it is lifelong.
@@vsevolod2563 we had teams and autographs capsules this year in Dota 2
@@platonmakinen8280 yo what? What were they? Cuz as far as I know you cant just slap a sticker on a hero
@@vsevolod2563 you could slap them on a hero and everyone would see the sticker every time you pick a hero
This women made valve so much money. She also has a really analytics and methods and wasnt just making descisions at random
Valve really understands players. Like not many companys can say that.
thats why there are still only 64 tick servers and tons of cheaters right?
@@leeroysass2426 it works, or am i wrong the player base is there.
@@leeroysass2426 Casuals don't care about that, and Tryhards can go to Faceit and Valve encourages platforms like Faceit because they hand over the responsibility for anti-cheat intrusiveness to an outside company.
@@railguncs Wells, nos waiting to Source2 🤓
@@leeroysass2426low trust factor issues get green kid
Its so amazing to see someone be this enthusiastic as ohne about something. I have to say I was really excited and fascinated to see this video too, sat through the whole thing. Been playing since 2014 and trading skins and stickers too
It’s stupid that time played with a skin makes the float higher :/
warface moment:
I remember when I first started playing cs and I thought that the more you use your gun skin in game the more scratched up it gets lol
I've been farming blackiimovs with years of AWP abusing, very profitable stuff if you like the sniper rifles
you're a capsule
@@OKKULTISM bro ive been buying x4 high tier kato 14 holo in the past by adding people that have crafted them in 2014 and gave them a 100$ knife for their x4 st dig holo ak redline and sold for 4k back then. Now it costs 40k
Shows that ohne is new to the valve scene if he hasn't heard of gamebanana. I remember dowloading all sorts of models and skins for 1.6 and css. Hell even for CS GO before the arms deal update. Good times.
chucky knife and dual mp5.
good days sir, good old days.
@@alexandreiss0agr276 yooooooo dual mp5 man you unlocked me so many memories, now i need to go find somewhere models for awp crossbow, dual mp5 and sword for knife and hop into 1.6
bros hes 24 he cant know evrything
1.6 golden deagle 🥲
@@florian3298 sometimes i forget that, im 29 but he looks way older than me lmao
24:50 After so many hours of just looking at skins and multiple variations to buy, this brought tears to my eyes. I don't know why, either I felt super silly or happy or both
the idea of that 'one person is going to be ahead of you on the ladder and one person behind' is such a smart pitfall that they avoided. when everything is valued because of the same things, the people who actually hold all those values at the same time become fewer and further between until you end up with no way to trade anything without having someone get screwed over. i also think it created the perfect world for expensive sticker crafts; people who value something like the heritage/nostalgia or super high floats can use stickers to add the aspects of rarity, aesthetics, or uniqueness through that system
18:47 when I first started playing like 8 years ago, my mate told me grenades and bomb explosions damage the weapon skins lmao. I also didn't know how to join a game and my first ever game I played was a community server that took me 15 minutes to download all the textures and shit.
Bro your enthusiasm and excitement has made my bloody day, listening at work so can't see but I can hear you get psyched asf and it's awesome gg man
ikr! it really makes sense why he has 10k+ viewers any time he is live on twitch
The way she explains how they needed the different types of value of skins (i.e. aesthetics, scarcity, quality, etc.) to be orthogonal so that people would be more willing to trade them. People wilth different priorities of value (i.e. one person prefers the aesthetic of a weapon, another person prefers quality & scarcity) will feel better about engaging in the marketplace, whether that's selling or trading. They literally built an economy from scratch for what are basically pixels. This is crazy.
I was going to look up the original talk but I'm glad I watched this instead. I laughed my ass off hearing your commentary and how excited you get over skins. I really respect the level of passion and dedication you have. I wish I bought more skins back then. I remember thinking 15 dollars was way too expensive for a desert eagle skin (blaze). I was going to buy the glock fade too, but decided against it. Should have went with my gut and love for skins lol
I remember in 2010 when I first started trading on TF2 I had a dream of becoming an economist at Valve for this exact reason--such a cool team to be a part of in those early days especially
goosebumps!! so well planned
Someone should have asked about the state of skins if valve were to introduce a new Counter Strike.
i think they hadnt even considered source 2 or a new CS at that point but it wouldve been interesting
They are unlikely to release a new counter strike now they’re just going to keep updating GO. There’s already rumours of when source 2 drops the game will be renamed to just counter strike. And if they do for some reason eventually want to make a new cs then they would have to find a way to incorporate the existing skins into the new game.
Personally I think there’s way to much risk involved in creating a new cs as it could instantly ruin the economy they worked hard to create and if the new game is not received as well they are probably still likely to lose a large percentage of csgos player base as they will more than likely no longer be adding new content to csgo.
@@DEN8Y thank god its not up to you
@@woodygz9746 I’m not saying what I want to happen I’m saying what is likely to happen if they were to release a new CS… CSGOs economy would tank regardless of how the new game is perceived. Too many people would panic sell their skins.
@@DEN8Y they already said on another topic that they already have found a way to put old skins in the new game source 2 should be there 1-2 years probably
Guys, she's not only smart because of her work on the economy around the game, but she's actually super smart when talking about decisions and interpreting data.
You can see that when she answer the question about stickers being polarizing, she already understood back then that on the internet there's always a community who's vocal and another who just silently enjoys the game and would wait the release to form an opinion.
She knew the person questioning was talking about a small anecdotal experience and was so sure their decision was right.
It's also baffling how open and receptive she is taking about this compared to other companies (also happy where she works), it's clear she's talking about something she enjoys.
It's nice to hear a human speak compared to all the corporate talks you see elsewhere were they speak as if everything is good, talk for hours but don't say anything, nothing is backed by data and they demonstrate there's 0 thought process on their decisions other than "someone else did it and it worked, we're not here to innovate but earn money with 0 risks".
I really enjoyed listening to her.
Strange how she can't wrap her head around the idea of making a good game that doesn't have intrusive monetization schemes.
@@avatarion intrusive? get real lmfao
@@ImTotallyTechy They won't even let you turn off the ugly skins. Real Counter-Strike didn't have any of that.
I'd like to see weapon mesh changes but then every skin would need to be made for every variation.
46:50 love how they till this day do these experiments to collect data
Wow, what a great content you brought up there. Didn't know this conference exists. I was in wonderland too just by listening to her ❤
Thanks for bringing it up again to show it to us.
Greetings from Cologne, Germany
Good ole days when I had a ST FN Howl bought for 200 or 300 and traded it for a $20 profit like a week before the contraband thing happened 😅
Not as bad as the guy who bought 2 pizzas for 10000 Bitcoin before the boom happened though 🤷♂
I had two howling dawn stickers that I put on some M4s back in the day, and ended up selling for like $10 each. Those stickers are like $1600 now lol
@@ZombieEnthusiast69 i sold a stattrak howl FN for $200 a week before it got removed
i'm laughing so fucking hard at him saying "no problem" when she apologizes. and the whole chat follows along. this is the ohne difference
I hope they add the m4a4 blaze as a covert item in an opperation/map collection
34:44 Need more copper skins 😩
thanks copper golem
I could watch this all day long
i hope mark and the steam devs will live forever ❤ thank u for this amazing cs content ❤
Actually a big thanks should go to third party skin sites where you can get real money for your items .
Steam community market is kinda worthless for players . But valuable for valve .
What content, they are robbing you blind lmao.
@@Clown81178 Robbing? If you spend no money into skins, how tf is it a robbery. You are just salty YOU got robbed 🤣🤣
they know about the hyper sought after skins and don't worry about not being able to list them on steam market because the percentage of items there are for that is too minuscule in comparison to the overall market and it fits their free market strategy because its only the players who see that knife as $1,000,000
2:18 Bruh they used old Nuke for this slide 😭😭😭 I miss it so much
i wish they added the M4 SOPMOD or the AK74-U, they look really cool!
As all items are stored on steam ofc they have a list like a databank, surely with severale sperate backups.
9:43 weapon mesh changes?? Pog
This is great! Thanks Ohne
24:58 scarred me :(
LÖÖÖÖL
Ohne becomes possessed
Gamebanana has been around for a long long time it was where you could download skins for your guns for cs:cz, 1.6 and source. It used to be named FPSbanana. However, they branched out from there to include more games than fps's. FPSbanana and gamebanana used to also be where you would download maps for your servers and if you wanted to download a map so you didnt have to wait for the crappy game server to download the map to your pc. THE MORE YOU KNOW!
Best Ohne reaction
Underrated video of the year for CSGO players.
it's interesting to see how they came up with it all . I am glad they introduced agents. The skin itself is not important to me - it's the unique voice chat that I love the most. I could live with having the same basic models with ability to make slight tweaks , such as different colour helmet visors or type of camo (as an example of CT), but the voices is where they really nailed it, and it does not interfere with gameplay. It's the voices that I care more about. I had a break from CS GO and when I went back to it month before the CS2 was released, i was blown away when I first heard the Australian Bloody Darren voice. Went to the market right away.
cant believe i watched the whole video
How haven't you heard of Game Banana stuff is ancient from gmod css etc
when she talks about new weapons she was talking about CZ, revolver and other new weapons that werent in CS before. Not implementing new weapons you have to buy completely.
When you watched it and you don't even care about skins but the way ohne melting over just kept you watching it lmao
Holy shit, someone actually got the sound right in a reaction video. EVERYONE have a huuuuge gap between video and mic volume making it way too hard to either hear the video or not have your ears blown off whenever the content creator decides to talk. THANK YOU, to whoever made sure this was done right.
It's still quite skewed towards content creator being more loud and pronounced, and it still annoys me but at least it's not as bad as most others.
Crossfire has the second option as you actually buy different weapons with different stats.
this is soo nicely played, a genius invention and perfect data analysis and adapting to the findings. BTW: Today it's breaked over 1.5 Min players: Which is ca. 15 x the amount of the chart of 2014 holy shit! - More players means more money in game ;)
that paintball marker, its a dye dm5 right? or am I wrong?
this is like the biggest example of work smart not hard ive ever seen
Where's my arms deal agent? Should put him in the game. @39:31
that's what good planning does i guess. LOVE THIS
can u link the original, pls
Ohne discovering workflows :D
How much we love this game ❤
8:55 bro is speaking in enchanting table
All the talk about the Black Laminate AK, made me think of when I upgraded one of mine by mistake in a trade-up because i had two, it also had a crown sticker on it. LOL, now im sad
24:42 - 24:59: Took him solid 17 seconds to connect the dots. Bro is fast.
24:22 Ohne questioning their 2 days of work while sitting on a computer reacting to a video 💀😂
He laught about the 30$ fire serpent but ive bought a ft for 35 and a minimal for 48. Sold the minimal still own the ft from 2014
Ahh good old cs 1.6 even without skins so manny players played it .. and actually enjoyed it xD still see manny players in cs1.6 servers
CS/CSS are pure CS. None of this modern bs that ruins games.
how old is that ? 2014 ?
That was amazing to listen to.
You know how intransparent a company is when you are hyped to hear things like this for the first time xd
I thought Riot was intransparent but damn
Wish someone loved me as much as ohne loves skins😂 he was so excited he couldn’t even get out the words at the beginning😂😂
9 years later, you can now submit sprays on workshop! context: 1:16:30
gamebanana AKA Fpsbanana has been around longer than you and i for sure.
2001 if im not mistaken and was widely uses back in source & 1.6 for skins & maps before skins were preloaded into the game.
Do people have same chances with cases or something is effecting the % ?
Back in the day, downloading models and changing the files to see community made skins ingame 🙏 Different times 😅
unfair if not even a little bit of a market manupilation if you see the data they got (43:12) vs. the date they give the buyers/sellers on the community market don't ya think?
Interesting video tho for sure
They know all about it. Before CSGO existed there was a thread on the steam community forums that had a lot of input, many of us explained how important extremely rare items were and the supply demand dynamic etc, but the other big thing that me and others made obvious was how important having turnover and data was. They didn't give us an item stats tool though, which was requested. Private inventories is possible while also having full stats of item existence.. instead we have to guess and assume there isn't some private inventory with 1000000 Kato 14 capsules
so character customization has a much higher chance being added in cs2 now after i see this.
i dont think ohne realized it took them two days just to finish the lighting effect for a skin of a weapon. hundreds of skins and many guns... thats a lot of work
Execution much later happens for so many games. I seen how World of Tanks is developed than i saw the stuff they had finished and two years later it was in update.
would of been crazy to have been there
Bro is literally shocked that someone who designed the game understood why they were doing the things they did
Steam marketplace exploits networks effects in perfection to generate value to players and themselves at the same time. No new invention of digital marketplaces, but they strengthen the value to an extreme by providing interactions and trading between players.
This woman was thinking ahead of the time man. All CSGO devs were ahead of their time. The thumbnail of this video is so true. Id prefer blacksiimov over normal one and battlescared flashback skins
7:17 Little did Ohne know, they added visible torso and feet to the game, *I WONDER WHY* ? ;)
If valve added in wear ratings that changed the more you used the weapons. Skin prices would be infinitely more expensive.
am i wrong or is that exactly how float works right now?
@@chugnuts4208 nope
I doubt skins would ever have become so popular if that was the case. The appeal of skins is an investment you can show off in game but you can sell them if you get bored. I'm not going to buy a 500$ knife just to not be able to use it
Factory new would be more common and battle scared would be the rarer ones
So you could have gotten a skin and over time the more you played with it the rarer it got
Man ngl I kind like the scared and stained skins they look cool
Honestly I hate the fact I can't get a skin I like because anything decent is over $50-$100 (which i cant jystify spending outright) but if I get a good skin, then it feels way more special tbh
This is my lucky video, unboxed ursus sapphire whilst watching it. Jheeeez
sadly, i could only finish 5 minutes of this interesting movie
Omg Gamebanana I haven't been there since CS:Source.
My buddy's account is *still active*. He used to do textures and sounds.
has no one opened up about how the prices/payment work for the people who get a skin in the game? she's a straight game economy Yoda and people who have played warzone will know all about character skins Rose skin for example lol
Oh man this was the hardest watch man, ohne just pausing and having a full 2 minute stroke and just ending on “…. JA??” And continue like nothing happened
Just purchased my first ak for 24 cents, glad to do my part
Skins mommy got me actin' up 🥵🥵
🤤🤤
Seeing a Millenia skin in 2023 is hype
52:44 inventory review .....
there was a video were this woman was also in it was kinda like a cs in a nutshell video back then does anyone know the title of the video , it was full with shit valve didnt fix and things like the ibp drama etc would be awesome if some has a link or w/e
I remember when a case hard Ak was 40$
Absolutely insane. 200$ was the most expensive skin back then. “Wish we could turn back time! To the good ol’ dayyyyys”
easily mesmerized
I feel like ohne is the type of dude to invent skins if they were never added and then still get an NIP.
Did he end up interviewing with her or any other dev?
distance b/t your mic when your speak to laod sound
I was on her website and it says she is still at valve
nevermind its wrong
So the Perfect skin would be a Covert Fn AK47 Hot Rod #1 float🤤
Hot rod is like a metallic finish and the exterior of the ak is mostly wooden.
this guy was batchesting the whole time
38:30 lmfaoooo he called the stripes gum zebra a brony hahahahaha omg thats the funniest thing ive ever seen and heard in my life. that gum was so cool when i was a kid the wrapper came with temporary tattoos of the zebra and it was fruity