Sucks to hear you had Covid man. It was pretty rough on me. I'm excited about this plugin line. Hearing these tones gives me hope we'll see more than NDSP promo stuff every week hahaha. Cheers 🍻
I've been using the Revv Generator from the Modern plugin. I've been having a miles easier time dialing in solid tones than I have with most Neural plugins. Not to kick Neural, at all, their stuff is fantastic, but that Revv is absolute crystal clear savagery.
Definitely sounds good, but I wouldn't say it's a NDSP killer by a long shot - Neural has a ridiculous amount of momentum and a loyal fanbase that at this point will buy anything they put out. I wish Line6 would rebuild Helix Native to look like these plugins with hardware-based GUI instead of annoying little red sliders.
It’s all personal preference at the end of the day. For me personally, ever since I got the doom metallurgy collection all the NDSP plugins haven’t been opened even once. I always had a “fizz” problem with NDSP plugins. I have a MIM charvel san dimas with seymour Duncan JB in the bridge. The line 6 doom plugin just OPENED me to the true potential of my guitar. It’s so so so dynamic. My picking intensity completely changes the attack. I don’t feel that with NDSP. I have NDSP nolly, tone king and nameless. They just gathering dust now lol
@@adityabali1939 I’ve tried Mercuriall, Amplitube, STL Lasse Lammert, STL Amphub, TH-U, JST and I’m probably missing one or two more, I never touch them now because Gojira, Nameless and Omega cover my high gain needs and Tim Henson the lighter stuff. My comment was the conclusion I had after hearing this video examples, and tbh a video named NDSP killer should have a side by side comparison. It’s always a matter of taste on most stuff and some plug ins achieve better results on the dynamic department, others on the tone department and others on the sag and whatnot. But my experience is that neural keeps getting the better results on most departments without lacking severely on others.
Tried the demo version of the Thrash and I really really like the Mark IV amp. Like how you can do a mix ready left and right and it comes out nice. Good stuff here. Might have to purchase the Thrash setup 👍
From what I see, this plugin is for someone who doesn't want a huge selection of amp in Helix. Add a couple more feature to cater specifically for metal player. I get the feel the amp itself is a reskin of the same amp on helix. In conclusion, this plugin is a streamlined version of helix. Suitable for someone who doesn't like to create a complex routing in Helix and just want a straight up metal amp sim plugin. In the next video, I want you to compare each amp in these three plugin with the same riff. Just curious how much different in tone between different amp. If I may add one more request, compare each amp with their helix counterpart.
Hey bro, could you make a detailed video tutorial for your subscribers on how you make such mixes. It sounds very cool and we all would be very interested to see such a video.
With the power of Macs/PCs and their internal DSP abilities, it seems like a good move to me. Home studio people and just enthusiasts don't always want to shell out for big ticket hardware. This helps them dig into the same market share that STL, JST, and Ndsp are pulling from. I know I'm definitely gonna take a run at these even though my PodGO has HX amp models. If I was smart though, I could've had an AxeFX III or a Quad Cortex with the amount of cash I've dealt out on amp sims.
I hope the new amps get added on the line 6 helix! I’ve always wanted a peavey invective amp model in the helix. Oh well, I guess we have to wait to find out. Love the videos as always!
Super happy to finally see someone build a nice Sunn O))) Model T model. Now I just need Line 6 to build a Matamp GT120 model in addition to the “Mandarin 80” Orange OR80 model and I’ll finally have my three favorite heads in VST form… fwiw, the Model T (which is pretty clearly a 1st gen T circuit) sounds very accurate to my friend’s ‘73 1st gen Model T and his Verellen Model V (same circuit.) Really, really great model there.
Standalone capable mini-native with better cabs, worth grabbing at least one of the bunch. Nothing wrong with more options although the idea of these as a direct expansion to Native would have been cool.
A couple of weeks late to the video but anyway... I've been using the Metallurgy trial. Coming from an avid Neural DSP user, these are great. I use a Line 6 Helix LT and these are definitely in line with the modern, high-quality Line 6 sounds. Modern is best, especially given as it has the Archetype, one of my recreations Line 6 has done, but I also love Doom. Even Thrash is nice but I don't use it as much. I'd say, compared to the Neural DSP stuff, you get a somewhat less in-depth plugin, especially if you're going for one type of sound or artist (which I'd say Neural DSP does spectacularly), but Metallurgy is like a swiss-army knife. It's nice to have the variety in the amp selection, where even with a 4 amp Neural DSP product, it's typically a series of amps/sounds ranging from clean to crunch to rhythm to lead. I am very happy with the Metallurgy Collection, particularly if you compare value and price to Neural DSP.
thanks for the great overview, super thorough yet focused at the same time, and your playing and demoing were SUPER in point! On another aspect, I'd like to command you for being 'chill', so many gear youtubers are just too annoyin/cynical/full of themselves, yet you have a very laid back and authentic way about you. I really appreciate it, and will be back here! subscribed :)
John great video as always. Would love to see you make a video that compares Helix Floor or Helix Rack amps to the amps in Metallurgy and how much of this exists in the Helix vs buying new plugins.
This has been a perfect video for building 30 patch cables to! Id like to see a shootout with that orange plug in and its respective real life amp. I'd like to see shootouts with all of them that have respective real life amps. Its very interesting watching the gap in sound between real tube amps and Sims slowly close.
I know these modelers are so much desirable with the tube situation. I also know Germany is closer to Slovakia that the US so hopefully you get some stock soon. I have zero tubes on hand for emergencies seeing as I just got my first tube amp a couple of weeks ago. That said, it’s new so knock on wood I’m good for MANY YEARS!
wow these amp sim plug ins are sounding amazing - great features - is this as good or better than amplitube or NDSP - I am ready pull trigger on one of them not sure!
IMO Amplitube does not compare with Neural and I have both. Maybe for Fender clean tones on the Amplitube, but Neural is overall better in every way for heavier sounds.
Hey Jon how did you get your IR'S to populate in the software I just purchased some of the York IR'S and do not know how to get them into Metallurgy - These are the first IR'S I have purchased so a bit of a learning curve I guess -
Hey John! Love your channel! Would you consider doing a video on how to use the Line 6 plug ins for live performance? Can you have great live sound and record with ones favorite DAW at the same time? Thanks, Alex
In most cases it's the IR that makes the biggest difference in tone. Depending on the style of music, equalization... A free plugin may sound better in the mix than a Neural one or vice versa.
sounds great! i guess you'll be selling all those amps behind you now....i think a great video from you would be to record your riffs with this plugin to create the DI tracks and then show the reamp, and then compare the two sounds.... in the mix and isolated (Metallurgy vs amp)....
These sound good, but it feels more like Line6 was looking to get the same price point as NDSP rather than actually having a new product deserving of it. At this price, I'd still go for NDSP or Mercuriall, etc. I still like the Helix software overall though and your demos are great as always.
Well, there are some new amps, some new features and the stock cabs are also all new. The existing stuff sounds the same as the Helix. It's a different price, different form factor so it all depends on what you need really.
I wish line 6 would put these in 3 separate pedal formats with maybe 2 or 3 separate channels. At least one of them will end up on every pedal board accross the world. I really like what line 6 is doing here but I'm not into the whole modeler thing or vst thing. I like my physical units. I love pedals that aren't huge fx processors. But I do think we are missing a huge part of the market. Midi controllable distortion pedals or preamps. Yes they are out there but very few to choose. I feel like line 6 is fully equipped for such a task.
Pod Go is great for the players who it is geared towards. It's more affordable than a helix so obviously it has less functionality. A lot of people seem to love it tbh
Thanks for the great demo! You always get amazing tones out of your amps/plugins and what not. Helix Native is the plugin equivalent to the Helix products. What's the main difference between Native and these? Is it just the layout?
I"m still use POD Farm vst. I really love it but Line 6 never care about upgrade with news cabs and mics or the posibility to use IRs. Or improve the amps (or new amps). I'ts a shame (sorry for my english).
That's a bit unfair...Helix Native has been out for years now and is their modeling platform. Did a lot of GREAT updates to it and still do! Pod Farm is very outdated - for years now. Time to make the switch!
Interesting to see those thoughts. I have Helix Native and a Hardware Helix device but to me Neural DSP is still way ahead....unfortunately the Quad Cortex is way to expensive to justify the purchase (for me).
@@MatthiasBuesing they do generally sound more open and tighter than helix, that may be the reason you find neural dsp stuff sound better than helix. But helix have the "chewiness" of tube amp that I miss, not many plugin do that. I am not too familiar with many tube amp, but I am quite familiar with jcm 900, that amp certainly have the quality I mentioned
Try messing with your buffer settings in your ASIO driver. This controls the latency. With any modern PC you should be able to get it down to where it isn't really noticable.
I haven't tried that, I'll look into it. I know with my interface I can drop the sample rate down but to get it to where it feels normal there's too much popping and clicking happening.
What kind of interface do you have? With a decent one (like Focusrite for example) you can get to a latency that isn't even noticeable at all with a problem!
@@lodougherty OK, in that case I have no clue why you have any sort of problem with latency...🤷🏻♂️ What is the buffer size in the ASIO driver of your interface in the plugin?
I really hope they add the invective to the helix... segmenting the products into meat and potatoes packs like this is fine by me as long as the full 5 course meal (helix) gets them too
@@jacobseal but are we really testing out the suite or just the Amp sim? Id like to see more videos on who sounds like what only on their own. I dont remember having seen any ampsim sounding less than good through a high end cabsim. Throw a Lars Bogren cabsim on any preamp and it will sound good. But try dialing in a good sound using only the tools in the suite. Thats a whole different story
@@SonicDriveStudio i get that. It would just be nice to include soundexamples of the own IRs to see what difference it makes or not to use third party IRs. You just left that completely out of the equasion…
To be fair, many amp plugins look the same when it comes to layout. It's the nature of the beast. These definitely sound unique though so they're definitely not copying NDSP in terms of sound and imho that's a good thing! It's the sound that matters the most
They really don't need to redo anything. I have several NDSP plugs and a Helix LT. They play in the same ballpark with NDSP being more plug and play. I usually have the right tone in about 30 seconds. With Helix it takes 2 or 3 minutes. After that, they are extremely comparable. Try using York audio IR with your Helix or even using the NDSP cab block with the Helix. The biggest difference is in the cabs.
What do you think of the Metallurgy Collection? Let me know! (Sorry for my odd voice, had Covid)
@@miked5487 thanks man! I've almost fully recovered so I feel lucky
I would like you to try this plugins with real amps you have.
@@heavyvibrationstudiopl3256 Yeah, I want to compare my Invective to Vitriol for sure
Sucks to hear you had Covid man. It was pretty rough on me.
I'm excited about this plugin line. Hearing these tones gives me hope we'll see more than NDSP promo stuff every week hahaha.
Cheers 🍻
Get well and this plug-in rocks. Love the Thrash setup. Downloaded the demo and yep, might have to purchase
I've been using the Revv Generator from the Modern plugin.
I've been having a miles easier time dialing in solid tones than I have with most Neural plugins.
Not to kick Neural, at all, their stuff is fantastic, but that Revv is absolute crystal clear savagery.
this plugin set is a breath of fresh air. And Metallurgy is such a clever name. Tones are on-point as usual. Great work man.
Hope all the new amps get added to the Helix line soon
Yeah, you would definitely hope so considering it's the flagship product.
I own an actual Invective 120. Can’t wait to compare the two. Great video!
Yeah man, it's really close! I'll do a comparison some time soon as well.
your demos always sounds so good whatever the amp you're using! Definitely need to check those York impulse....
Definitely sounds good, but I wouldn't say it's a NDSP killer by a long shot - Neural has a ridiculous amount of momentum and a loyal fanbase that at this point will buy anything they put out. I wish Line6 would rebuild Helix Native to look like these plugins with hardware-based GUI instead of annoying little red sliders.
indeed i cant understand that this amp sim is ooo expensive but a GUI which is just so user unfriendly you dont even want to start.
It had to be better or on pair to be a “killer” sadly it isn’t and neural won’t need to have more sales or reduce the price
It’s all personal preference at the end of the day. For me personally, ever since I got the doom metallurgy collection all the NDSP plugins haven’t been opened even once. I always had a “fizz” problem with NDSP plugins. I have a MIM charvel san dimas with seymour Duncan JB in the bridge. The line 6 doom plugin just OPENED me to the true potential of my guitar. It’s so so so dynamic. My picking intensity completely changes the attack. I don’t feel that with NDSP. I have NDSP nolly, tone king and nameless. They just gathering dust now lol
@@adityabali1939 I’ve tried Mercuriall, Amplitube, STL Lasse Lammert, STL Amphub, TH-U, JST and I’m probably missing one or two more, I never touch them now because Gojira, Nameless and Omega cover my high gain needs and Tim Henson the lighter stuff.
My comment was the conclusion I had after hearing this video examples, and tbh a video named NDSP killer should have a side by side comparison.
It’s always a matter of taste on most stuff and some plug ins achieve better results on the dynamic department, others on the tone department and others on the sag and whatnot. But my experience is that neural keeps getting the better results on most departments without lacking severely on others.
Secret of NDSP is not just awesome amps.
They all have low cut at the beginning of the chain for metal. Like 200hz or smlt
Tried the demo version of the Thrash and I really really like the Mark IV amp. Like how you can do a mix ready left and right and it comes out nice. Good stuff here. Might have to purchase the Thrash setup 👍
From what I see, this plugin is for someone who doesn't want a huge selection of amp in Helix. Add a couple more feature to cater specifically for metal player. I get the feel the amp itself is a reskin of the same amp on helix. In conclusion, this plugin is a streamlined version of helix. Suitable for someone who doesn't like to create a complex routing in Helix and just want a straight up metal amp sim plugin.
In the next video, I want you to compare each amp in these three plugin with the same riff. Just curious how much different in tone between different amp. If I may add one more request, compare each amp with their helix counterpart.
Finally a plugin that acknowledges doom is a thing
And boy does it DOOM! :)
Check the "s u n ) ) )" preset in Otto audio's II II II II, they came out with it last june. WOOLY WALLLLL
Damn dude, you were able to get these to sound thick in a mix. Sounds good!
Hey bro, could you make a detailed video tutorial for your subscribers on how you make such mixes. It sounds very cool and we all would be very interested to see such a video.
Nice! Would have been interesting to see how close you could get to these sounds in a Line6 Helix or Native Plug-in.
Keep up the good work!
Quite shocked Line 6 has gone in this direction. Can’t wait for the invective to find its way into Helix
With the power of Macs/PCs and their internal DSP abilities, it seems like a good move to me. Home studio people and just enthusiasts don't always want to shell out for big ticket hardware. This helps them dig into the same market share that STL, JST, and Ndsp are pulling from.
I know I'm definitely gonna take a run at these even though my PodGO has HX amp models.
If I was smart though, I could've had an AxeFX III or a Quad Cortex with the amount of cash I've dealt out on amp sims.
Great review as always, I must try these out, especially the Doom one, finally a Sunn amp sim!
I hope the new amps get added on the line 6 helix! I’ve always wanted a peavey invective amp model in the helix. Oh well, I guess we have to wait to find out. Love the videos as always!
The Mandarin has really natural sounding bloom and saturation. Legit!
Super happy to finally see someone build a nice Sunn O))) Model T model. Now I just need Line 6 to build a Matamp GT120 model in addition to the “Mandarin 80” Orange OR80 model and I’ll finally have my three favorite heads in VST form…
fwiw, the Model T (which is pretty clearly a 1st gen T circuit) sounds very accurate to my friend’s ‘73 1st gen Model T and his Verellen Model V (same circuit.) Really, really great model there.
Standalone capable mini-native with better cabs, worth grabbing at least one of the bunch. Nothing wrong with more options although the idea of these as a direct expansion to Native would have been cool.
A couple of weeks late to the video but anyway... I've been using the Metallurgy trial. Coming from an avid Neural DSP user, these are great. I use a Line 6 Helix LT and these are definitely in line with the modern, high-quality Line 6 sounds.
Modern is best, especially given as it has the Archetype, one of my recreations Line 6 has done, but I also love Doom. Even Thrash is nice but I don't use it as much.
I'd say, compared to the Neural DSP stuff, you get a somewhat less in-depth plugin, especially if you're going for one type of sound or artist (which I'd say Neural DSP does spectacularly), but Metallurgy is like a swiss-army knife. It's nice to have the variety in the amp selection, where even with a 4 amp Neural DSP product, it's typically a series of amps/sounds ranging from clean to crunch to rhythm to lead.
I am very happy with the Metallurgy Collection, particularly if you compare value and price to Neural DSP.
Have to say I love these plugins. Especially the mandarin sim is great, so versatile. Definitely worth demoing
Was thinking about picking up a Fractal FM3 but that Vitriol amp is 👌 hope it comes to Helix Native soon so I can try it out!
Really hope they add the new amps to the Helix at some point! Also hope they add an Orange AD-30 to the Helix but that’s just wishful thinking…
Killer riffs man, I really dig your playing
NAMELESS is the KING 💪
thanks for the great overview, super thorough yet focused at the same time, and your playing and demoing were SUPER in point!
On another aspect, I'd like to command you for being 'chill', so many gear youtubers are just too annoyin/cynical/full of themselves, yet you have a very laid back and authentic way about you. I really appreciate it, and will be back here! subscribed :)
Thanks so much!
Damn.... thats some awesome riffing as always
Sounds sick!
The helix rockerverb model is spectacular
Awesome video great channel
Helix native was great. I hope this one will be great for recreating some meshuggah tones.
John great video as always. Would love to see you make a video that compares Helix Floor or Helix Rack amps to the amps in Metallurgy and how much of this exists in the Helix vs buying new plugins.
Would be awesome if they added that cab sweep function to the hx editor as well
This has been a perfect video for building 30 patch cables to!
Id like to see a shootout with that orange plug in and its respective real life amp. I'd like to see shootouts with all of them that have respective real life amps. Its very interesting watching the gap in sound between real tube amps and Sims slowly close.
I already compared the Helix Mandarin Rocker model to the real rockerverb on my channel (same amp model). Check it out! Sounds really close!
I know these modelers are so much desirable with the tube situation. I also know Germany is closer to Slovakia that the US so hopefully you get some stock soon. I have zero tubes on hand for emergencies seeing as I just got my first tube amp a couple of weeks ago. That said, it’s new so knock on wood I’m good for MANY YEARS!
Dang! These sound Great!
A Must Buy!
I went to the site and saw $99
I was like cool! Then I clicked on the link and $199 lol
Gotta buy Em all!
wow these amp sim plug ins are sounding amazing - great features - is this as good or better than amplitube or NDSP - I am ready pull trigger on one of them not sure!
IMO Amplitube does not compare with Neural and I have both. Maybe for Fender clean tones on the Amplitube, but Neural is overall better in every way for heavier sounds.
Sounded amazing!
Hey Jon how did you get your IR'S to populate in the software I just purchased some of the York IR'S and do not know how to get them into Metallurgy - These are the first IR'S I have purchased so a bit of a learning curve I guess -
Hey John! Love your channel! Would you consider doing a video on how to use the Line 6 plug ins for live performance? Can you have great live sound and record with ones favorite DAW at the same time? Thanks, Alex
you're the best dude! greetings from argentina
Please make a comparison to Neural DSP plugins. Nameless is the best one imo
In most cases it's the IR that makes the biggest difference in tone. Depending on the style of music, equalization... A free plugin may sound better in the mix than a Neural one or vice versa.
The UI for the plugin is nice. I hope they incorporate the changes into HX Edit.
You know what we want! Compare them to the wall of real amps behind you (why not start with the Invective) 😜
sounds great! i guess you'll be selling all those amps behind you now....i think a great video from you would be to record your riffs with this plugin to create the DI tracks and then show the reamp, and then compare the two sounds.... in the mix and isolated (Metallurgy vs amp)....
These sound good, but it feels more like Line6 was looking to get the same price point as NDSP rather than actually having a new product deserving of it. At this price, I'd still go for NDSP or Mercuriall, etc. I still like the Helix software overall though and your demos are great as always.
The Helix Native would be a better deal or bang for your buck. for $400 you get all these amps and so much more. Would you agree?
My first thought also.
You don't get all these amps though. You get some of them.
Damn these sound great! I think the Moon amp is based on the Sunn amps
That's not thrash, that's some _killer_ metal!
Fender Tele are bass stings to c# ?
Just curious, what tuning are you using on the Phoenix guitar?
Did not check out the new cabs? Why???
Amazing prs guitar!
What’s the model of the guitar?
Would have liked to hear the revv. To see how close it sounded
you played more stoner rock than doom with the Doom amp haha. It still made complete sense.
Do you like it more then NDSP plugins? To me it sounds quite nice.
I definitely do
@@SonicDriveStudio Oh, glad to know. I had big doubts will i get John Petrucci amp sim or modern set from Line 6. You made me go with second. :)
what about differences in terms of sounds compared with the Native?
Would you showcase the other doom amps? Cheers
I'm not much of a doom player haha but who knows for the future! You can always try the demo
These plugins sound great but I really wonder if you need these if you already have the helix native plugin. Do they sound any different to you?
Well, there are some new amps, some new features and the stock cabs are also all new. The existing stuff sounds the same as the Helix. It's a different price, different form factor so it all depends on what you need really.
Do a shootout with this against the actual amps to see how close the amp models are. That would be great!
It took me an hour to find the custom IR loader lol...that thing is counnter intuitive, other than that everything is user friendly!
What did you use on the master track? Thanks
Anyone know if these are compatible with Apple M1 chips ? I can’t see it confirmed on the line 6 site.
Yes, these run natively on Apple M1.
@@anthonytaglianetti5139 thank you!
I wish line 6 would put these in 3 separate pedal formats with maybe 2 or 3 separate channels. At least one of them will end up on every pedal board accross the world.
I really like what line 6 is doing here but I'm not into the whole modeler thing or vst thing. I like my physical units. I love pedals that aren't huge fx processors. But I do think we are missing a huge part of the market. Midi controllable distortion pedals or preamps. Yes they are out there but very few to choose. I feel like line 6 is fully equipped for such a task.
helix FX or the stomp fills that niche pretty nicely imo.
Great tones! What do you use for drum tracks?
Steven Slate Drums
I have to admit that Line 6 started giving hope.
"Line 6, the company of hope"
@@SonicDriveStudio I mean it sounds like something i would not slang to rubbish like i did with Line 6 Pod .
Pod Go is great for the players who it is geared towards. It's more affordable than a helix so obviously it has less functionality. A lot of people seem to love it tbh
Line 6 has made amazing gear for 20+ years...
@@JustinLesamiz This is a weak joke.They are on last place since last 20 years.First sounding like no shit is hellix.I had this toys.
Thanks for the great demo! You always get amazing tones out of your amps/plugins and what not. Helix Native is the plugin equivalent to the Helix products. What's the main difference between Native and these? Is it just the layout?
The layout and also some unique features. Sound quality is the same!
@@SonicDriveStudio Perfect! Thanks for you answer and keep going strong!
I want to ask, i have some free IR colection , but why i cant Load my IR to this Software?
You can
I"m still use POD Farm vst. I really love it but Line 6 never care about upgrade with news cabs and mics or the posibility to use IRs. Or improve the amps (or new amps). I'ts a shame (sorry for my english).
That's a bit unfair...Helix Native has been out for years now and is their modeling platform. Did a lot of GREAT updates to it and still do! Pod Farm is very outdated - for years now. Time to make the switch!
Definitely agree on that
Do these amps respond like NDSP amp sims? Does the master volume emulate power tube saturation?
Yeah
What drums are you using on these demos? I'm using superior drummer and cannot get them that full sounding.
Steven Slate Drums
Helix sounds much more organic than neural dsp in my opinion, so this might be better than neural dsp
I agree
Interesting to see those thoughts. I have Helix Native and a Hardware Helix device but to me Neural DSP is still way ahead....unfortunately the Quad Cortex is way to expensive to justify the purchase (for me).
@@MatthiasBuesing they do generally sound more open and tighter than helix, that may be the reason you find neural dsp stuff sound better than helix. But helix have the "chewiness" of tube amp that I miss, not many plugin do that. I am not too familiar with many tube amp, but I am quite familiar with jcm 900, that amp certainly have the quality I mentioned
All the Amps sounded great, and the interface looks like a breeze to use.
Why this over helix native?
I would love to get more into sims, but there is always latency :( I even have a pretty nice computer and interface. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Try messing with your buffer settings in your ASIO driver. This controls the latency. With any modern PC you should be able to get it down to where it isn't really noticable.
I haven't tried that, I'll look into it.
I know with my interface I can drop the sample rate down but to get it to where it feels normal there's too much popping and clicking happening.
What kind of interface do you have? With a decent one (like Focusrite for example) you can get to a latency that isn't even noticeable at all with a problem!
@@MatthiasBuesing Currently have a Motu ES828, and my PC has 16gb ddr5 ram, with a Ryzen 5 3600x.
@@lodougherty OK, in that case I have no clue why you have any sort of problem with latency...🤷🏻♂️ What is the buffer size in the ASIO driver of your interface in the plugin?
I really hope they add the invective to the helix... segmenting the products into meat and potatoes packs like this is fine by me as long as the full 5 course meal (helix) gets them too
Самый лучший плагин на данный момент.
Is there any difference vs helix native sound wise?
When a brand has nothing new to say tHey sell old stuff in a package copied on other brands plugs :-)
Good, but. Neural DSP Killer? Never
I want to know only one thing: is this just Helix ripoff or Line6 improved something?
For me is not the best sound for thrash ( ask to old masters ( atrophy /necrosis Chile , etc )
Huh, you said "rock, metal and doom"... But doom is a subgenre of metal... :)
mmkay :)
And metal is a sub genre of rock. So what? They're all distinct.
can u use it as a standalone or no
What does that mean? It's a plugin.
Yes.
what do u think of it compared to the nural stuff and does it have presets
I dont know why everyone reviews new plugin stuff with their own IR stuff. Isnt it much more interesting to see how plugins sound on their own?
It's just so the playing field is level. I think it is wise to separate the speaker IR and amp modelling parts.
@@jacobseal but are we really testing out the suite or just the Amp sim? Id like to see more videos on who sounds like what only on their own. I dont remember having seen any ampsim sounding less than good through a high end cabsim. Throw a Lars Bogren cabsim on any preamp and it will sound good. But try dialing in a good sound using only the tools in the suite. Thats a whole different story
Why limit yourself though?
@@SonicDriveStudio i get that. It would just be nice to include soundexamples of the own IRs to see what difference it makes or not to use third party IRs. You just left that completely out of the equasion…
@@RiloRox there were more things that I didn't show in the video. That's what the free demo is for
Sounds as good as we've come to expect from Line 6, but IMO their UI design is terrible. The plugins look like cheap copies of Amplitube 5.
I agree. But at least the sound is way better. Amplitube looks gorgeous but the sound is IMHO outdated.
Cmon guys, it looks pretty good
@@SonicDriveStudio It's OK tbh but nothing near the Neural DSP stuff. Soundwise and aestethically...and I really my Helix :-)
Never thought I'd see line 6 copying Neural DSP lol
Hmmm not sure if it's copying tbh. Line 6 had amp modeler plugins a long time before NDSP even existed
@@SonicDriveStudio More so in appearance, UI layout, graphics, cabs ir functionality.
To be fair, many amp plugins look the same when it comes to layout. It's the nature of the beast. These definitely sound unique though so they're definitely not copying NDSP in terms of sound and imho that's a good thing! It's the sound that matters the most
It's very much the other way around.
Use doom and play stoner rock hmhmhm.
I'm the first one to admit that I can't play doom to save my life :)
Fantastic demo, stupid title.
Obviously the sound matters most but those graphics and the logos are terrible to the point of being comedic.
Honestly, i have an HX Stomp and this is a JOKE compared to NDSP plugins, Line 6 needs to redo all their modelling from scratch.
They really don't need to redo anything. I have several NDSP plugs and a Helix LT. They play in the same ballpark with NDSP being more plug and play. I usually have the right tone in about 30 seconds. With Helix it takes 2 or 3 minutes. After that, they are extremely comparable. Try using York audio IR with your Helix or even using the NDSP cab block with the Helix. The biggest difference is in the cabs.
NDSP killer? Are you serious?