McGuire: Patrik Laine Is A Diminished Asset | The Sick Podcast - The Eye Test August 21 2024
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- On this episode of The Sick Podcast, Pierre McGuire and Jimmy Murphy discuss the Canadiens trading for Patrik Laine, Oilers declining to match the offer sheets for Broberg and Holloway, Jeremy Swayman and much more! Later in the show, Jimmy and Pierre take NHL questions from fans.
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I'm so glad Hughes got the job and not McGuire 😂
Why is he even considered to be relevant???
Last 3 years 108pts in 111 games and that's while dealing with injuries and other issues
129 games, 115 points.
Laine is going to play with guys like Suzuki Demidov Dach Slaf. These guys can all shoot and pass going to be one of the best top 6 in league. All of them can play bumper but Demidov will be the best. Now we put him on PP with Hutson even better. Our PP has been shit now we use 4 forwards and Hutson or Matheson. I get it leaves us open to counterattack but we are after all on the PP.
The Habs may be getting the best version of Laine yet.
That's what im thinking. A artist like Laine needs to be in the right environment, bright lights.
Think you’re right. Times change a young player thinking he is doing what’s right for himself to me is not a problem. We have to be progressive and we are. Players know when they are getting smoke blown. Our team is honest and I mean all our team. The Laine trade was not a tough one you have to be an idiot not to do it. We call down players without even knowing what the circumstances are. We DON’T KNOW. Everybody talks the locker room or culture and while of major importance the ones talking it don’t even know what has gone on. We are a team that thinks we are the only one with culture we are the team that talks about it the most. If you think one guy can destroy our whole team then we were never a team. Do you think Florida has Culture
Pierre as been diminishing since 2012.
So is Pierre Mcguire
Literally going to be my comment.
I love now habs fans stick up for their own. We are fkn solid. Lfgggggg
This might be the best move for Montreal. Relatively low risk. It’s money for 2 years sure, but Laine is entering his prime years with something to prove. I like it. If he does not work out then they can let him go after next year.
If Laine doesn't fit, they can move him with a little retention and / or an asset( they have a full cupboard).
Yes Laine is a diminished asset that is why Habs got him for nothing LOL ....He still has the skill , youth , desire , and health .
McGuire is the definitive ' diminished asset '.
McGuire would be jumping for joy and praising if it Sam Bowman got a deal like that and got Laine. Why because he's Scott's boy.
100%
Laines biggest problem was never a fall in production, it’s his health. If he can bounce back to 70g played he’ll hit near ppg. Gotta stay healthy
It’s not his health. It’s his motivation
John Torterlla has been a jerk of a coach is entire career. He’s not the only one who is old school and believes disrespecting your players, screaming and yelling at them is a motivational tool. Luckily Laine won’t be facing such an environment in MTL, the positivity and focus of Marty will provide Laine the perfect situation to strive. Now it’s up to the player to fit in the culture and let loose on the ice.
Laine didn't go into rehab. He went into the player assistance program which could mean anything.
Personally it is a low risk move and getting a 2nd round pick on a rebuilding team I think it was a good trade for both sides. If Laine plays like he does in Winnipeg it could be a steal not to mention in 2 years time the big contracts will be off the books and give Hage and Demidov time to develop. The didn't have to give up Mailloux and Struble and Reinbacher either I thought it was well done by Hughes. and Reinbacher will be a good defenseman as well
if every player gets on board this season that is everyone positive results will follow.
What a clown. His last 3 yrs haven't been very good. he's got 117 pts in his last 129 games while obviously going through personal shit. I can see why a lot of people don't like this guy.
Ask him about Mike Sullivan and he will gush and he wished Mike Sullivan’s wife happy birthday 🤮 just an ass kisser.
Nobody cares what Pierre thinks.
What's his roll right now ?
McGuire said they where done in trading And to say that Laine didn't perform well in his last 3 seasons. 115 pts in 130 games is not so bad in my opinion. So dont know why you say that you told us a defense player would be traded. Still like both you guys but i'm very happy to see A healthy Laine in Montreal. For Josh Anderson can't be helped. He does'nt have the skills of Laine and Caufield.
Columbus is a disaster. Thanks, from Montreal.
in the end if you score a minimum of goals that means you have more probable wins. minimum 250 goals will make it closer than now.
Caufield. Suzuky. Slaf.
Laine. Dach. Armia.
Newhook. Dvorak. Anderson.
Roy. Evans. Gallagher.
Matheson. Guhle.
Xhekaj. Mailloux.
Hutson. Savard.
Habs make playoffs!😎
A Diminished Asset? What the Perkele are you talking About? A fleet of Trucks? A Condo with inbuilt Engineering Issues? A Management Consultancy Meeting with Clipboards at the Ready to Lean in for an Exemplar Opportunity to Unpack the Truth for the Shareholders? FMD. This is a Hockey Player. It's a Game. It's SUPPOSED TO BE pure joy. It's lots of fun. He's a Person. He lost his Dad. I lost my Mum. Life is Hard. Get behind the Guy like Empathic People do. The Fact that he is an Emotional person makes him an Asset as a Human Being for crying out loud. I hope he becomes the Heartbeat of the Team & Habs go all the Way. YEAH I may not know all the technical details, but I know This. A Young Aussie player in The Perth v Canberra Semi Final last year, copped a Solid body check and whacked his head on the frozen Water. Unconscious, he started having a Scary Seizure and the Rink went from Loud & Festive to Funereal. And I was Crying my Eyes out in Total Empathy for the Kid as the Gurney was wheeled past me. The whole place was dead Silent with people from the Hockey Family Praying & Hoping. Hockey is like Life. Amazing & Fragile and Tumultuous & Wondrous Painful & Joyous.
The 2nd was to take on the money.
Columbus had no leverage
Pierre couldn’t scout or manage a cup of coffee.
It’s pretty obvious Laine’s issues extended outside of hockey compounded by injuries and a circus organization
Tortorella and Babcock likely not the best style of coach to work with a player dealing with mental issues.
Sounds like Laine sought out help with his mental health and will now be coached by St Louis who will have the patience and hands on approach.
A young, fun, skilled exciting locker room in Montreal could do wonders for Laine
Laine’s scoring could do wonders for Habs top 6 and PP
Harris will get more ice time in Columbus
This could be a situation where both teams and both players involved all win here.
Hughes definitely cooking though!
Laaine needs a feeder also someone who has a good hockey vision to feed Laine. Anderson does not have thta feeder hockey sense. but he has the size.and i still beleive in Anderson. we will see this season.
PM is dead wrong on this one....
For some reason, most analyst I have listened to mention the cap issue for Montreal. They are currently over the cap because Price salary is still on the regular rooster. Come game one, they put him on LTTR and they now have over 8 million free cap space.
Laine had one bad season in the last three, he was dealing with an injury and needed therapy. Otherwise he was a ppg.
250 GF as the one stat that matters the most? 2 teams that made the playoffs didn’t get 250. 2 teams that made the playoffs barely made it over. 7 teams that didn’t make the playoffs got over 250 GF. Bogus claim that GF is the most important stat. Just trying to sound like “I know something others don’t”. Scoring more than being scored on leads to more wins which leads to better playoffs chances. It’s not rocket science.
Taking 8M in salary is a lot. Hence the pick
^ This
@@nealmac9017 yes but they can afford it. All cap space is to me a tool to get better. Unless saving for something specific while keeping a bit for unknowns I would spend to improve. We are not in a situation like Edmonton trying to sign Drisitel
None habs fans sound scared of the move
Gallager Armia and another effective player needs to make the 4th line effective.
Kirby Dach-Patrick Laine combined will play less than 80 games?
The only thing we know for certain is that you will play 0 games!
The last four years he wasn't a good player... yeah sure Patrik first year witrh columbus was a disaster but that is when shit hit that fan for him. 138 points (could've been easy 168) in 174 games not a good player!? ... damn good thing Pierre is on the eye test hahhahaha
All the teams that win the cup do not have 200 foot players
Harris is a well spoken, good 2 way D with high iq, nothing flashy.
At same time compared to Ghule’s solid D, Hutson’s & Matheson’s Offense and Wifi’s physicality
Harris lacked the intangibles to warrant a spot over those guys…
He should do well in Columbus.
The Largest Hockey Market, not arguably !!!!
Mario #66 was so 🔥 👌 😍, Wish i had the privilege of seeing him in Quebec Junior. I seen Gretzky in Toronto when he was a scrawny thin 16-17 yrs@. Gretzky was the best player out there vs Toronto Marlboros at the Gardens. Man , life is so short 😢
Habs don't need to make any trades to be cap compliant they can simply put Carey Price's contract on Ltir. Doesn't mean they don't send an under performing player like an Anderson for example on waivers or a savvy trade that Hugo is becoming well known for.
THey just need to send Hutson and Struble down to start the season then put price on LTR
Wow! You got a brass pair. Expect some nuclear heat over this...
That's good. He is there to give us his honest opinion.
Let's say it works out ok this year 4 Laine could we sign Crosby asF/A 3 years or wait 4 Demidov to bring back the cup here ?
I don't think we should get Crosby; he'll be expensive and I don't know he's the missing piece, and yes, he's still very good, but he'll be 38 next year. Laine's contract makes perfect sense. In 2 years, we'll know if we want to keep him, if we want to keep Dach, Price's contract is over, and get have 1 yr left of Ghally and Anderson which we could buy them out or perhaps trade them. We'll have the cap to chase a couple of UFAs that can make a difference then. Demidov will have a year in Laval and should be ready for NHL. I think our window starts then - in 2 years.
As an aside, I think Crosby retires a Penguin.
listen cole is not the best 200 feet player also. Laine we will see if Coach St Louis can motivate Patrick Laine. Laine has his share of work to deliver also.
Talking about diminished asset... Where is Pierre now after Ottawa kicked him out...?
If McGuire is on I'm skipping the podcast
I like the idea of Laine playing well enough for Hughes and Gorton to trade him at the 2026 deadline for a 1st rd pick and demidov taking his place in the 2026/2027 season ( in HU-GO we trust)
Dude Laine isn’t getting flipped for a first round pick lol. He isn’t Sean Monahan, he what way more return if they were to trade him. But he’s solidly in the future plans when he turns it on this year. You don’t sound very hockey educated.
Demidov doesn’t replace Laine He plays on same line with him or PP
avoid useless penalties is a big factor also. they must stop taking those lazy penalties shorten the shifts if need be.
number 72's brother could become one of those effective players also? young still but we will see.
this is why columbus let him go. Habs are hoping that Laine has the guts to proove he is still a good player. lets see what the mtl admin can do to try and restart Laine.
Laine has no good version that is why everyone wanted to get rid of him and why he was often benched.
This is a TEAM game not the Laine show.
Furthermore spending 8.7 mil on a player that plays like a losing player is painful.
It is also nonsense talk THINKING Laine has a new mindset and this is his last chance mentality he has already gone through that door a couple times and NOTHING changed.
I wonder how many people thought Karlsson was going to help the Pens win a cup when he arrived a vet who was a top scoring D man a better scorer than Laine by a LOT lmao.Karlsson had ZERO impact on the pens.
We set the stage for all our new players. It’s an innocent until proven guilty. Pierre would you do this trade also you know he is never going to be stellar at defense that’s not why he’s here.
McGuire is the worst analyst in all my years following NHL..look at his history he's so off base and wrong so often I really have no idea why anyone would even wanna hear from him let alone care what he has to say..all hab fans know this trade can only be a HUGE positive.even if Laine was hurt a lot this guy will most certainly get goals points playing with the exciting core Montreal has. Harris was never gonna be a regular with the talent on D they have.so the 2nd round pick alone was a win and with Laine on the team it's a win win. Just imagine next year hopefully no Dvorak and of course demidov ..have you seen the way this guy floats around on his skates I can't believe they got him,I can't wait.Been a habs fan for 40 years and I'm telling you by next year it's the most exciting and frankly power house I have seen Montreal have in my lifetime. Leaf fans are gonna be so nasty with jealousy as usual
Anybody playing in Columbus should go true that program that's the worst franchise in NHL!!
GOOD LUCK TO LAINI!!
Pierre why not be more low key on Laine just say you have some reservations but hope for the best. Talking about a babysitter helps nobody
Anderson was not a 2nd overall pick like Laine though.
Anderson gets 25 easy this season.
@@Trumpsterfire101 honestly, I hope so. But if he stinks again, he needs to go. Maybe some professional help is needed? He did seem to be in his head during last season.
Dach and Laine have to remain healthy, otherwise, they might end up turning into liabilities. Time will tell !!!
@@powers1500 we really don’t care what happens this season. I think we experiment this season but would put at the start Laine with Suzuki and Slaf. Let Slaf do the banging he likes it. This gives Laine the best chance to succeed. Use Dach with Caufield and Anderson just because Anderson has to get back his mojo and both Caufield and Anderson can skate. A guy like Dach needs his wingers in front of him. Not waiting.
@@powers1500 now Newhook goes to 3rd where he will be in 2 years at centre. With Armia and Roy
@@dav4303 You are right, this coming season is not that important for Dach and Laine. As long they can show they can somewhat stay healty and show flashes of their talent, then the fans with the media should be happy. However, to be serious contenders, Montreal will need both of them to play at their best in a near future...while staying healthy. Indeed, remaining healthy is key for both Dach and Laine !!!
Barkov 10M aav 73 GP 23g 57a 80 pts
Jake Guentzep 9M aav 67 GP 30G 47 a 77pts
Barzal 9 M aav 80 GP 23 G 57 a 80 pts. All healthy
Patrick Laine 8.7M aav I'll include 2022 73 G 28 G 33A 61 pts hasn't been healthy in 2 years. I think Pierre just says shit sometimes and you godda do your own research and form your own opinion. A healthy Laine out produces everyone I mentioned. Go Habs 😎
Can we please stop with all the hate for Pierre. He has forgotten more about hockey than most of us will ever learn. Just get out and watch something else. Don't be haters!
Who listens to McGuire anyways? This fool said the Habs made a mistake when they drafted Carey Price. He's an absolute joke.
You say St Louis just did great things..... what about their massively overpaying the two players?????????
Huh? St Louis is not the one negotiating salaries. And which new salary has been overpaid? At most Caufield is overpaid for his performance last year, but they don't get paid for what they are worth that year, they get paid for what they can be.
Are you talking the offer sheets to Edmonton
Your take on the Oilers is just jealousy or something because Montreal is so bad.....the Oilers are actually a better team right now than they were last season.
Cmon man Their offense is slightly better or equal but they lost some defense. What they need the most since skinner is no patrick roy. Like I said on another video about the oilers. Skinner is not Swiss cheese tier but he's not a stanley cup contender goalie
McGuire doesn't know sh*t. That's why no NHL team hires him.
McGuire is a hack
Are you saying Pierre “Carey Price is not a fit for the Montreal Canadiens. They have Jose Theodore. They have Cristobal Huet. This is not a fit.” McGuire is a hack!?!
Pierre has the most idiotic takes
Diminished… 😂 exactly like Mcguire with his "journalism".
Armstrong used the Brad Maye quote and converted it to fit his situation