It's a good story, but I don't like how Harry swore revenge in the end. I was hoping that because in this version he knew Peter was Spiderman and that he was killed by the Green Goblin, he wouldn't blame Gwen if his father died, especially if he shot him
Eh. But they usually write harry as a bit unstable and spoiled. It makes sense he'd handle grief that way. But I definitely agree on wishing he hadn't here. This should get a miniseries or something.
Right? So Norman killed his “best friend” and traumatized another friend. Gwen only left Green Goblin tied up and was planning to turn him in whatever. But after Harry freaking executes the unarmed and defenseless Goblin, he swears revenge against Gwen? WTF? That’s not even remotely understandable.
@@vullord666 well its a "you put me up to this so this is your fault *_HARUMPH!_* " sort of situation. You in your grief and shock and probably instant guilt can't blame the dead guy. He's dead. But _SOMEONE'S_ gotta get the smoke for this. Why not the closest involved person to you? I mean. It being his dad, that only adds to it, but chances are/would be he wasn't even on that train of thought at that point. He's basically just projecting. Nope. Still not rational. But that's statistically how most people work. Allegedly.
Having gwen kinda pull off a prowler mindest where she makes us her lack of powers with her slowly gaining tech from villains and whatnot would be cool. She makes her for her powers by being VERY tactical with what she has
If I remember it correctly, I think we have this sort of what if play put in Ultimate Spider-Man animated show. Peter die and Gwen took the mantle of Spider-woman. She doesn't have any power but he crafted her own artificial power like spider-sense and web crawling. Also Aunt May be her supporter.
Id never even heard of these Dark What If's before. Personally i thought it was an interesting take on the classic story. That's one of the things i like most about your channel, i get exposed to comics that I wouldn't have heard about otherwise.
@@drrobotnik44 it really wasnt hard to get them, I have the regular cover a varient and a graded varient. Just look for an online shop that has it. I got my regular cover and graded Varient from "Unknown Comic Books." And I got my Varient from "The Comic Mint."
@@ascendedsavage7040 in the latest comic where Peter becomes the goblin, MJ and Peter got stuck in a dimension with a dude named Paul, they built a portal to get back and Paul pushed Peter through leaving just him and MJ. Of course MJ is like “how could you do that!?! Let’s have a couple kids”
@@TreskVithat’s not really how it went. Peter was about to die so Mj sent him back, she was trapped in the dimension for almost 4 years and adopted 2 kids (fake kids created by Rabin to manipulate her).
i.e. your latest short Lincoln March It's his YOUNGER brother NOT older. This is WHY March blamed Bruce for never coming to get him from the hospital. Bruce was around 6-8 years old when he was in a car accident with his pregnant mother..who then gave birth to a sickly child.
So how does she make more webs? How will she tank hits from supervillains or do damage to them? Also since she doesn’t have the spider powers is she just gonna die at the bottom of the swing from the blood leaving her brain? I need answers
I like this and will probably, most likely, pick it up but what happened to Harry was silly. . . Like, I think I get why it happened (symbolism I guess) but am not a huge fan of that part.
Is it really “Spider-Gwen” if she never got spider powers? I know I’m being a bit pedantic, the entire time I watched I kept wondering how does she get powers? Self experimentation? Does Harry use some modified Goblin-serum? Does she go to the FF and in a moment of pity somehow modify her? Nope - she just put on the suit, pulled a gun and then got roped into a super-powered Harry vowing revenge.
So, instead of pretending it never happened or that it ever existed, Marvel not only still acknowledges the existence of spider-gwen, one of, if not the worst fictional character of all time, but makes ANOTHER story that has her. As a character with only a single bearable appearance (Into The Spider-Verse) throughout her whole 5 seconds of existing, it's not unreasonable to say that whoever created this Hitler-like satanic thing deserves the most painful death possible. Pretty sure it was Dan Slott in Spider-Verse so yeah, Dan Slott wasn't exactly a good guy to begin with
Ok now my attention has been caught, this is a more interesting beginning take of the whole "Spider-Gwen" run instead of Gwen just getting Spider-Man's powers by the same spider that bit peter etc and etc, Gwen ends up surviving the incident but not Peter and she ends up taking up the mantle becoming the new Spider-Man . . . Also this allows to make more sense out of the whole "Gwenom" situation of her having the symbiote and keeping it to fix the lack of not having powers and etc . . . What a comic!!
I am so glad to find someone on here that has the same thought as I have. The spider Gwen thing is cool, but this is way better. It sucks that Pete dies from hitting his head. That’s lame I thought gobble one of them held him or something but I’ll take it now. She just needs to go to the fantastic four get a spider augmented suit like Batman beyond and we good to go👍🏽
@@lenwoodhamilton5974 I mean would it make sense that she gets help from the Fantastic Four at that point in the story?? It would be more interesting that she would physically train herself to be able to perform the stunts that a super powered spider guy can do . . . Well except the feats of strength since she isn't that strong to do such things . . . However, all of those issues will be fixed when she gets the symbiote because remember that she ends up getting & keeping Venom as a result becoming her host . . .
Cuz gwen totems could shake the very foundations of the polymorphic web of destiny or spiderverse. Spiderverse was build on top of the very lifeless gwen stacies corpses.😢
Someone needs to pick this story up and keep it going. I wanna see how far this goes, who else gets involved and who ultimately come out the last one standing.
My problem with this is that Harry blamed Gwen when His own father killed his best friend who he now know is Spiderman like WTF. You can argue that emotions were high but still
Around that time in the comic he was popping pills like it was water. I was surprised he even spoke to Gwen cause when he sees Peter after that hes like crying on the couch having a bad trip.
Okay I can definitely not follow how Harry could possibly blame Gwen for this. Harry agreed to help, Gwen didn't coerce him or trick him to do anything. Instead he should be furious at his father for All the things that he's done, for the many innocent people he hurt to killing his best friend.
Harry's bit about seeking revenge makes no sense. She threw away the gun because she refused to kill Goblin, so Harry, without being asked or prompted, picks up the gun and shoots goblin himself.... then blames Gwen for his own actions?
I easily see his mind snapping, as Harry used to be mentally unstable but that is due to him doing drugs (but I don't think he was on drugs around the time Gwen died in canon so...).
There’s more story here. How would she get spider powers of her own? Would the Jackal come into play? Would she make her own costume? Will she run into Norman again?
So I'm guessing this is changing the headcanon that technically Norman Osborne actually killed Gwen Stacy because he was sleeping with her when she was 17 and got her pregnant, and when she swore to unveil the truth to the world because he refused to admit the truth. As I recall she went all the way to Paris to give birth to twins, which is why she left Peter during the comic series, by which the twins grew rapidly into adults because of the goblin gene inside of them, which apparently Nick fury collected to become a part of Shield and just chose never to tell Spider-Man, only for her to return and then be killed by Norman Osborne as Green Goblin to cover it all up. Mean while peter Parker was never even told the truth as it was hidden from him this entire time.
Osborn never slept with Gwen before it was retcon; Harry implanted false memories in Gwen and his own Father for some revenge As for the "Kids" They are nothing but Clones
Gwen looks good in this comic especially in Pete's costume while wearing her coat
I liked this story a lot. Maybe more than spider Gwen’s original story
If spider gwen could get more writing like this would be amazing
Same
Ok to me they could have just called the comic What-If: Gwen Stacy. This isn't Spider-Gwen, it just normal Gwen wearing peters suit.
It's a good story, but I don't like how Harry swore revenge in the end. I was hoping that because in this version he knew Peter was Spiderman and that he was killed by the Green Goblin, he wouldn't blame Gwen if his father died, especially if he shot him
Eh. But they usually write harry as a bit unstable and spoiled. It makes sense he'd handle grief that way. But I definitely agree on wishing he hadn't here. This should get a miniseries or something.
Same
Right? So Norman killed his “best friend” and traumatized another friend. Gwen only left Green Goblin tied up and was planning to turn him in whatever. But after Harry freaking executes the unarmed and defenseless Goblin, he swears revenge against Gwen? WTF? That’s not even remotely understandable.
@@vullord666 well its a "you put me up to this so this is your fault *_HARUMPH!_* " sort of situation. You in your grief and shock and probably instant guilt can't blame the dead guy. He's dead. But _SOMEONE'S_ gotta get the smoke for this. Why not the closest involved person to you? I mean. It being his dad, that only adds to it, but chances are/would be he wasn't even on that train of thought at that point. He's basically just projecting.
Nope. Still not rational. But that's statistically how most people work. Allegedly.
Really interesting, also I’m wondering as to how many dark what-if stories are being made!!??!
Gwen has and always will be wife material the way she made Peter a hero outside of the suit 😢
She hate Spider-Man for "kill" his father.
Harry's logic is flawed, he calls Gwen a murderer when he's the one who pulled the trigger.
I really liked how this comic emphasized Gwen's tactical mind. I wouldn't mind if she showed up in a Spider-Verse comic.
Having gwen kinda pull off a prowler mindest where she makes us her lack of powers with her slowly gaining tech from villains and whatnot would be cool. She makes her for her powers by being VERY tactical with what she has
@@garytaylor8193she should boned with carnage 😂
@@garytaylor8193 So basically Red Goblin.
If I remember it correctly, I think we have this sort of what if play put in Ultimate Spider-Man animated show. Peter die and Gwen took the mantle of Spider-woman. She doesn't have any power but he crafted her own artificial power like spider-sense and web crawling. Also Aunt May be her supporter.
Id never even heard of these Dark What If's before. Personally i thought it was an interesting take on the classic story.
That's one of the things i like most about your channel, i get exposed to comics that I wouldn't have heard about otherwise.
I really liked this comic, I have 3 copies of it and hope that this story gets continued.
3 copies? I wish I had a copy
@@drrobotnik44 it really wasnt hard to get them, I have the regular cover a varient and a graded varient. Just look for an online shop that has it. I got my regular cover and graded Varient from "Unknown Comic Books." And I got my Varient from "The Comic Mint."
4:24 why did they made harry look like that? He's seems old and more goblin then the goblin. 😅
See Gwen will get it back in blood. MJ will move on and have a couple kids with the dude who did it. Get you a Gwen yall😂😂😂
Didn’t it happen the other way around? Mj shot the goblin in 616 while Gwen got pregnant and had 2 kids by him in sins past?
@@ascendedsavage7040 in the latest comic where Peter becomes the goblin, MJ and Peter got stuck in a dimension with a dude named Paul, they built a portal to get back and Paul pushed Peter through leaving just him and MJ. Of course MJ is like “how could you do that!?! Let’s have a couple kids”
You’re right they both ain’t shit tho😂😂😂
@@TreskVithat’s not really how it went. Peter was about to die so Mj sent him back, she was trapped in the dimension for almost 4 years and adopted 2 kids (fake kids created by Rabin to manipulate her).
They adopted 2 kids , tho it still bs that she got with Paul
A couple small tweaks and this could be an antihero Harry green goblin origin.
Poor gwen in this what if.. 6:54 my goodness lol
i.e. your latest short
Lincoln March
It's his YOUNGER brother NOT older.
This is WHY March blamed Bruce for never coming to get him from the hospital. Bruce was around 6-8 years old when he was in a car accident with his pregnant mother..who then gave birth to a sickly child.
So how does she make more webs? How will she tank hits from supervillains or do damage to them? Also since she doesn’t have the spider powers is she just gonna die at the bottom of the swing from the blood leaving her brain? I need answers
I hope they do a what if for Spidey who gobbles
“Spider-Man who…” you mean Marvel Zombies Spider-Man?
I like this and will probably, most likely, pick it up but what happened to Harry was silly. . . Like, I think I get why it happened (symbolism I guess) but am not a huge fan of that part.
❤ that was really really good in the art was really good and the story it was really good 4 Gwen Stacy
When was this comic book out ?
What did she need Harry's help at all?
Nice!
Dark?
Wow.
Dark indeed. Greg Land tracing porn.
Honestly Harry is such a useless character now that hes only good for a place holder for a real villian
Is it really “Spider-Gwen” if she never got spider powers?
I know I’m being a bit pedantic, the entire time I watched I kept wondering how does she get powers? Self experimentation? Does Harry use some modified Goblin-serum? Does she go to the FF and in a moment of pity somehow modify her?
Nope - she just put on the suit, pulled a gun and then got roped into a super-powered Harry vowing revenge.
This story is like tale from the dark multiverse but with spiderman ...
When I was a kid comics gave me hope now it's carbon copy everything.
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So, instead of pretending it never happened or that it ever existed, Marvel not only still acknowledges the existence of spider-gwen, one of, if not the worst fictional character of all time, but makes ANOTHER story that has her. As a character with only a single bearable appearance (Into The Spider-Verse) throughout her whole 5 seconds of existing, it's not unreasonable to say that whoever created this Hitler-like satanic thing deserves the most painful death possible. Pretty sure it was Dan Slott in Spider-Verse so yeah, Dan Slott wasn't exactly a good guy to begin with
You sound like Jameson
@@TheOnlyCelciAndDontYouForgetItNow bring me pictures of Spider-Man Parker or you're fired
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Ok now my attention has been caught, this is a more interesting beginning take of the whole "Spider-Gwen" run instead of Gwen just getting Spider-Man's powers by the same spider that bit peter etc and etc, Gwen ends up surviving the incident but not Peter and she ends up taking up the mantle becoming the new Spider-Man . . . Also this allows to make more sense out of the whole "Gwenom" situation of her having the symbiote and keeping it to fix the lack of not having powers and etc . . . What a comic!!
I am so glad to find someone on here that has the same thought as I have. The spider Gwen thing is cool, but this is way better. It sucks that Pete dies from hitting his head. That’s lame I thought gobble one of them held him or something but I’ll take it now. She just needs to go to the fantastic four get a spider augmented suit like Batman beyond and we good to go👍🏽
The first part was the say impale*
@@lenwoodhamilton5974 I mean would it make sense that she gets help from the Fantastic Four at that point in the story?? It would be more interesting that she would physically train herself to be able to perform the stunts that a super powered spider guy can do . . . Well except the feats of strength since she isn't that strong to do such things . . . However, all of those issues will be fixed when she gets the symbiote because remember that she ends up getting & keeping Venom as a result becoming her host . . .
Now I say she finds Frank castle, and he trains her.
Why is gwen fated to die like in 90000000000 universes
Cuz gwen totems could shake the very foundations of the polymorphic web of destiny or spiderverse. Spiderverse was build on top of the very lifeless gwen stacies corpses.😢
Someone needs to pick this story up and keep it going. I wanna see how far this goes, who else gets involved and who ultimately come out the last one standing.
Start a petition
My problem with this is that Harry blamed Gwen when His own father killed his best friend who he now know is Spiderman like WTF. You can argue that emotions were high but still
Around that time in the comic he was popping pills like it was water. I was surprised he even spoke to Gwen cause when he sees Peter after that hes like crying on the couch having a bad trip.
Wow, this was actually.......GOOD!
Aw...I was hoping that this would be like the Lois becomes Superman story
The Dark Multiverse one where Lois becomes the Eradicator?
@@wdcain1the one where superman died...twice😢
@@haroldnecmann7040breh 💀
This should be the spider Gwen story reboot . It’s perfect
Loved this comic 🎉so glad she keeps growing in popularity
Me too!!!
Is it a canon event for Harry to always through a hissy fit over a dad who didn't love him?
Sadly yea
And a dad that gets himself killed😭
Grate Start to a Story, Sad it's only One & Don.😍😢😍😢
Did he just completely forget that it’s because of Norman that his best friend is dead?
yeah it felt totally forced
@@Achieme Gwen couldn’t have known he is the one who picked up the gun Osbornes really like to blame everyone except themselves, but it’s a what if
Okay I can definitely not follow how Harry could possibly blame Gwen for this. Harry agreed to help, Gwen didn't coerce him or trick him to do anything. Instead he should be furious at his father for All the things that he's done, for the many innocent people he hurt to killing his best friend.
That's what i'm thinking like WTF it kind of felt forced
Dark multiverse marvel edition
I would absolutely love if you guys did The Boys comic series.
Harry's bit about seeking revenge makes no sense. She threw away the gun because she refused to kill Goblin, so Harry, without being asked or prompted, picks up the gun and shoots goblin himself.... then blames Gwen for his own actions?
I easily see his mind snapping, as Harry used to be mentally unstable but that is due to him doing drugs (but I don't think he was on drugs around the time Gwen died in canon so...).
3:40 the eyes of the mask is so cute
Dope.
Would be cool IF there were more to this
There’s more story here. How would she get spider powers of her own? Would the Jackal come into play? Would she make her own costume? Will she run into Norman again?
Is that only me or that if spiderman dies that anyone close to him will get fucked by life lol?
bro really thinks he’s Elijah Jamerson
I just found out there is a comic where Spider-Man eat the plant that gives black panther his powers can you guys do a video on that story line
GYATT
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Oh this is good!!!!! I need more
Not really dark or twisted
What tickles me is knowing that the artist on the cover traces over porn for the faces.
Day 55 of asking to do an audio drama about "Morrison's Batman run"
(or at least Batman RIP🙏)
Classic revenge plot
Lol how is she gonna compete with no powers
Great video thank you so much🎉
Not dark enough for me
I really liked this story
Are you guys continuing the dnd channel ? I miss it 😢
Beautiful❤
What happened to the spider that bit spiderman?
It crawled its way into gwen stacies butt and remain there for foreseeable future
Thirst
With gwen Stacy pretty much alive, who will inherit this fine oven.
So I'm guessing this is changing the headcanon that technically Norman Osborne actually killed Gwen Stacy because he was sleeping with her when she was 17 and got her pregnant, and when she swore to unveil the truth to the world because he refused to admit the truth. As I recall she went all the way to Paris to give birth to twins, which is why she left Peter during the comic series, by which the twins grew rapidly into adults because of the goblin gene inside of them, which apparently Nick fury collected to become a part of Shield and just chose never to tell Spider-Man, only for her to return and then be killed by Norman Osborne as Green Goblin to cover it all up. Mean while peter Parker was never even told the truth as it was hidden from him this entire time.
Well thankfully that's no longer canon. We'll the Gwen sleeping with Norman part the rest still is.
Dude that story got retconed years ago. Look up sinister war comicstorian covered it
Osborn never slept with Gwen before it was retcon; Harry implanted false memories in Gwen and his own Father for some revenge
As for the "Kids" They are nothing but Clones
Wow!
I agree with everyone else Gwen Stacy is better than Mary Jane
Gwen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary Jane
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