The fact that Shane called her a manipulator when she was talking about her sexual assault and "fake crying" when in his own apology all he did was bring up his bad childhood as a way to explain his shit. Yikes
Not to mentiom getting beat by your mom or dad doesnt make someone do blackface and essentially kick start your career from mocking black women. Tati is a victim of sexual assault which is why she felt compelled to make the bye sister video after being manipulated by a questionable voice memo that Jeffree showed her from the alleged victim of James Charles.
saying Tati was fake crying when his best friend, J Snake, has gotten on Snapchat with some FAKE and I mean FAKEEEEEEE ass tears literally made me roll my eyes. Tati released “bye sister” with the narrative him and Jeffree wanted to put out & now that she’s put out HER narrative and HER experience with them she’s not a valid source 🙄
This is what i've been thinking!!! It made me sick to watch that instagram live of shane's reaction. Also Shane's selective caring (lets call it that) about sexual assault victims is alarming. He cared so much of about James's alleged victim, but when Tati says she was sexually assaulted in a video (for context) its OH SHUT UP SHE'S FAKE CRYINGGGG!!!
So three days ago Tati was "a queen" and "iconic" for the slice of humble pie thing but now that she defends herself she is manipulative and crazy. Ok Shane
@@PlutoBarbie and yet he claims to be an "empath" but I've never seen him show an ounce of empathy unless it's to someone's ridiculously problematic behaviour because he can relate to being a POS...
Seriously! He’s problematic but it’s still all part of Jeffree’s plan. Shane was (and still is) his shield that will take the brunt of the force while Jeffree can just stay quiet and safe in his corner
EXACTLY! Jeffree is just as bad, if not worse than Shane. The video of J* recording a drunk man who was very clearly not in the right state to go home with Jeffree and then J* saying he raped him was disgusting. I can’t believe it didn’t get as much attention as the Willow video Shane did.
both of them need to be held accountable, I guess everyone's focusing on Shane because he's the one talking about it and putting things out there for people to talk about however jeffree is m.i.a
Jeffree wasnt the one who went on ig live to react to Tati's videos. Jeffree wasn't also the one who made a really shitty apology video recently after a very inflammatory diss post. This is why most of ppl's attention is on Shane atm.
I honestly think it’s because he doesn’t believe he is a pedophile/racist (not saying whether I think he is or not, just what I think he thinks), but this is all hitting home for him because he knows damn well what she’s saying is the truth and it’s clearly enraging him that he’s been exposed now
tbh i think that’s because he was told (perhaps by Jeffree) to just ignore those kind of allegations if they ever came up again, since this isn’t the first time shane was exposed of being racist/saying creepy stuff about kids. can’t believe i watched that guy :/
Heyo I never watched or heard abt gabbie hannah except for ppl mentioning her when conversations about drama come up, can anyone tell me who that is and why everyone's talking about her?
@@Alryeght a youtuber and singer who used to hang out with Shane at one point. The reference is that she has these random mental breakdowns like Shane had on his live. She only tweeted something about being in danger but never said for what, then she deleted all her videos with Shane. She's a toxic person who keeps getting in trouble, that's it. Hope I was helpful :)
Sophia Sourkraut she was involved in a lot of drama and had been manipulative in other people’s lives (even private messaging minors and fans to get her point across) she believes she’s the victim in everything and could do no wrong. Just overall toxic and she usually does stuff like this. Hope this helps
YIKES shane's live spoke volumes. the eye roll when he heard tati speak about being a sexual assault victim was disgusting. i can't believe i ever supported him.
the fact that he rolls his eyes when tati mentions her harassment but then uses his own abuse as an excuse tells me everything i need to know about that man
He’s the kind of guy that needs to one-up everything or match it to downplay it Absolutely infuriating that I’ve been watching him for 10 years and it never clicked
decker jay I’ve never seen him like that. Granted I haven’t watched much of him but from what I’ve seen... he acted like a completely different person to what I’m used to
BUT NOTICE: when tati says that she was sexually assaulted shane says “you are so manipulative” but in his “apology” video he uses his past as an excuse
Tati: "As a victim of sexual assult..." Shane: "Oh my god! That is so manipulative." Also Shane in his apology vid: "I had a rough childhood and have anxiety." Me: "...bruh"
I mean Shane is using his past childhood as an excuse to make jokes back in the day. Tati is using to show she knows what it’s like to be assaulted while also ruining people’s names. That’s wrong.
It genuinely angers me that the comments on Tati’s video are like “Oh my god you’re 40 just shut up about it”, when they’re the same people on twitter who guilt tripped, begged and pleaded for her to come out and make a video. Convince me otherwise.
Shane going live was the WORST thing he could have done. He really showed his true colors. And completely undid every “apology” he’s made. He should take a page out of Jeffree book and just stay quiet.
the fact that a 38 year old woman is saying she was fully (not partially, I would have taken partially) manipulated by these two to make that video. Im sorry doesn't sit right with me either.
@@alegria716 DO you even know what manipulation is? its slowly worming ideas into another person's head, sure Tati isnt entirely innocent but you saying it doesnt sit right with you despite it having a pretty high chance of being true is kinda wrong.
like angelika said, you can be gaslit at any age and she was absolutely convinced he was doing something wrong (probably prompted by both them and her anger over the vitamin thing) which it turned out was false information fed to her by shane and jeffree. do i think she can put all the blame on them? no. but would she have made the video were it for their manipulation? probably not!
Shane - “I’m an empath” Tati opens up to the public about past sexual abuse Also Shane - * rolls eyes * you’re lying! No I was molested! Boyyyyyy you’re only nice and “empathic” when it suits you
He should've done what his 'family' (aka Jeff) is doing and just kept his mouth shut. Literally pretty much nothing is going to help his case. He keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.
i didn’t even think about that.... yikes maybe focus on one crisis at a time shane.... especially when there is a victim involved who you haven’t acknowledged
Will Smith's family. Theres a video of him pretending to jack off to a poster of underage Willow smith. Both her brother Jayden nd mom called him out on twitter.
Can we talk about how People, including Ryland are calling Tati out and mentioning that she’s a “40 year old women” that’s stirring the pot. The misogyny and age discrimination is real. Not to mention they’re all in their 30’s. Rather then calling out her gender and age just say your point.
The fact that Ryland is using her age to say she should know better when Shane’s in his thirties or w/e and been doing nasty shit for years and they’re trying to excuse it 🤧🤧
I think their point is that she's old enough to know better than to make such serious allegation against James based only on rumors she allegedly heard from Shane and Jeffrey and then blame them for her own decisions
Chiara P I agree. But to me that point is invalid. Gaslighting is a serious topic, anyone can be a victim of it. It’s not just about toxic friends etc, this situation can now be considered slander. As a victim of gaslighting I know how hard it can be when people don’t believe you or you think you’re crazy for thinking people could even be capable of such things.
@@matsuoa03 But did she not also slander James? Whether or not she was gaslit, her actions still had terrible consquences and caused James to contemplate taking his own life. She also presented no proof of Shane or Jeffrey manipulating her, so for all we know she could just be making this up to cover her own ass. I'm sorry, but this whole "i was gaslit" excuse sounds a little too convenient. She should've checked herself before she wrecked herself
Chiara P I agree it could go either way. But I refuse to take such things in a such in serious way. If Tati said she was gaslit, I would believe her. If it ends with her being the liar Then I’ll consider her a bad person. I’d rather that support someone who has not taken enough accountability for their actions. Tati apologized for her actions towards James . It’s not my apology to accept its James’ and he did, that’s good enough for me. Shane Dawson’s taking accountability video however was not good enough for me, because that apology was supposed to be for his audience rather then the ethnic minorities he made fun of .
Y'all notice how Shane rushed to Jeffree's side, protected him and made sure he wasn't hurt in a major way. Yeah, look at Jeffree when Shane is in the spotlight. Think about that real quick.
And let's not forget that she mentioned her assault not as an excuse of her horrible deeds but rather as a point of emphatisizing with the alleged victim.
In Rylands recent tweets he said Tati told Shane countless times she's a big girl and she's doing the James video for herself .. which to me proves that Shane was trying to help her with the video to get it out there just like she said. Offering to edit it, offering to do the thumbnail and the title.
I agree, I also think while Jeffree felt threatened by James as his main competitor, Shane’s motivation I think was that he wanted to profit off of this drama to possibly make a series about it but it backfired
she was manipulated... she thought she was doing the right thing. how can you defend Shane? he told her lies about how bad James was, she thought it was a good thing, BECAUSE of Shane and Jeffree.
Problem was he had huge views before. Why would he need that promotion. He had already done world of Jeffery star, Tana con and in the mind of Jake Paul. Hell I think it crashed UA-cam. He didn t need the drama. It doesn’t t make sense to create that that could bite you in the ass so hard. Just saying. My guess have to be something else. Like Jeffery showing Shane messages of him sexual assaulting people, which could trigger Shane with his past history. Same with Tati. Or that was her excuse.
@@SweetHeart-life how about jealousy. James had the idea to do a beauty docco before Shane and was working on it with Peter Monn. (Peter monn talked about it in a recent video titled Tati breaks her silence) James and Peter got Shane involved to help and Shane told them not to make the video. Warned them about it and it went no further. He stole their idea and made his docco with Jeffree 2 years later. He felt just as threatened as Jeffree of Jame. You saw his reaction to Tatis video.. That's who he really is.
“She is a-“ ... “This person, literally” ... “Keep pressing play so I can get through this and-“ ... he could NOT complete a logical thought. He knows he’s caught.
Or maybe he was emotional, he was accused of many things in the past week and when someone’s making a 40 minute video, basically fake crying and making up lies without any proof you get angry, it’s easy to say he’s the guilty one when you don’t know both sides of the story. He overreacted and people like you will be dragging him for it now, but no one is going to talk about other youtubers messing up even more
@@agas5773 As if he's entirely innocent himself. This is what accountability looks like especially when he's exposed for racism and pedophilia (which makes this entirely a whole new level than what other youtubers have been facing backlash for) and his association with Jeffree is a huge factor in this.
Aga S ‘It’s easy to say he’s the guilty one when you don’t know both sides of the story’ but somehow you’re 100% sure that she’s lying and her crying is fake? The hypocrisy on this bus is ASTRONOMICAL.
Don’t get me wrong, Shane is ruining his own career, but I feel like people are focusing ONLY on Shane and not enough on J*. Same thing that happened with Tati, all the blame for this whole drama was put on Tati. And it seems like J* is doing the same thing again, pushing someone else in front of the bus and he comes out with no bruises on the other side. We should focus on J* this time too, because we can’t let him get away with all the shit he’s done and blame someone else for it. People are seriously afraid of J*, people, open your eyes.
J* is definitely the common denominator. Hes a toxic manipulator... its obvious. J* has no honest good intentions for anyone but himself. Hes a narcissist at its worst. Hes knows it too.
Shane in dramageddon 2: praising and promoting tati Shane 3 days ago: "tati's a queen! Her video will go down in the history books!" Shane now: TATI IS AN EVIL LYING VILLAIN!!!!
It also annoyed me when Ryland called Tati a '40 year old woman'...sir, Tati is 38, your fiance is 32 and J* is 34. Please check yourself. If she's too old to be involved in this type of drama, so are they! Very misogynistic and uncalled-for thing to say about Tati imo
I don't know what to feel about the people commenting "People are dying" under Tati's video. Yes, there are more pressing issues in the world right now, and I won't defend or attack this stance; however where was this energy when Shane was releasing his statements???
It’s funny bc they comment this to feel morally superior but like, you clicked on the video instead of “changing the world” yourself, so what’s even your point??
People are not highlighting the most important part here: Jeffree co-owns Morphe and they want to launch their own vitamis and supplements... so he benefits from Tati being over as well... this is not about gurus anymore, this is about Jeffree planning to take any potential competitors out of the market for him to just earn more money.
Grace S. now that everything is falling into place i am honestly super scared everything in the beauty industry being owned by jeffree star this is absolute chaos
So she’s only speaking up now because SHE feels threatened. I’m part of a beauty group on FB that has hundreds of thousands of members and they keep posting makeup they’re just now purchasing from Jeffree star and saying that they will ALWAYS support him. I don’t think he’ll ever lose any business either way. Sadly this is how the world works.
Epoxy Makeup - she’s speaking up now because people have been asking her to speak up. She probably was wishing to have this drama shit left back in 2019.
@@jsarahi2635 People should stop tying their identity to the brands they like, there is literally no reason to defend a brand so fiercely if they don't have shares in it. People sometimes get in debt to buy something they don't need just to get poor Jeffree another luxury car.
Megan Cater it’s like he knows she’s telling the truth but has to defend his fiancé, because Shane rescued him from that E News job to become a housewife 🌈
Thank you I’m tired of everyone saying they’re tired of the drama...like what?!?! They’re tired of canceling predators/pedophiles?? That’s not tea... if James was acting “predatory” we should look around at who was grooming this behavior just saying.
Yet he used his own story in his apology? So it’s okay when Shane does it, but when Tati does it shes manipulative and crazy. Hmmm Shane sure getting shadier and shadier
Also, doesn't it say in one of his books that he actually wasn't even molested? Like, he was offended he wasn't molested as a kid? If that's true then he's straight up lying to try and diminish Tati's abuse and make her seem like a manipulative person when he actually is
gaslighting is a form of manipulation. And telling someone they should out a predator because she herself has been assaulted and knows how it feels to be in that position is indeed gaslighting.
RealityCheck1993 I agree with what everyone else is saying, we don’t know the whole story. But I also see where you’re coming from. We need to keep the definitions of these things clear. Just because she might not have actually been gaslit doesn’t take away from her experience. She might just not know how to use the word. And it is important to not stray from that definition.
Fr tho, I never seen shane like that but i think hes freaking out because tati prob is telling her half ass story to save her platform. Do I think shes lying, not completely but do I think shes trying to point the finger at others for her mistake, yes. And she is manipulative, I agree with Shane's comment on that because she made a mistake and instead of taking accountability for it, shes trying to manipulate the audience to thinking she was forced in it all and she wasnt. She wrote the script in 2019 exposing james.
Bre Niquole she has plenty of reason to lie but the fact that she’s taking legal action makes me believe that she is mostly telling the truth. In court she’s going to have to testify under oath and if she lies under oath she will get even more trouble.
Shane sounds so guilty in that livestream, he's trying to manipulate his audience against Tati "sHeS fAkE cRyInG AHHH" Regret buying the conspiracy palette
Let's also not ignore the fact that in Shane's book "I Hate MySelfie" he literally said that he was never molested as a child. He said something along the lines of how he was such a pretty-looking child that it was shocking he never got molested. But now he's claiming he was molested after saying Tati was using her own abuse as a manipulation tactic? Okay Shane, okay.
Assault can happen at any age evem after he wrote his book I am not saying anything did or didnt happen but comments like these are why some grown adults dont come forward about their assaults
Tati said James and her compared receipts and they found out who did what and manipulated what. He wanted to make Tatis video with her but she didn’t want to involve James
Im still believing tati telling us James went after straight guys and threatens to out them. I think all 4 of these people are pretty much equally shitty.
You're right but she's not without fault in this either. From the beginning, I did not understand why she did this to James so publically. I am still not convinced and am disgusted by her too. I was never a fan of any of them but I was on James' side the entire time. I went with my guts on this. Bunch of adults ganging up on a teen.
Eliza Bentley At least she owned up to her faults sincerely. She apologised wholeheartedly multiple times and you can tell it was genuine. No one is without fault, and what she did was wrong, but I cannot help feel bad for her for being manipulated by powerful and influential figures who were feeding her lies.
RosePlays Did she apologize though? Her video was very manipulative and she made herself the victim. She's now scared for her life but she had no issue accusing James of turning out straight men to her millions of fans. She said she didn't accuse him of being a predator but she totally forgot how she said he was manipulating straight men into thinking they're gay. She even considered he might commit suicide but nothing stood more important than her vitamins. Tati is as guilty and as bad as Jeffree and Shane
I guess it was that it came from Tati. I wouldn't be so quick to believe her I don't believe any of them are telling the truth and are not trying to twist the narrative to benefit them.
Okay I just wanna say as an "emotional person" overall I can never stop myself from crying and it looks exactly how Tati cried in the video (trying to stop yourself, your voice sounds shaky and the tears just want to come out, you can't seem to stop them). So, yes, I do believe it was genuine and she wasn't faking it. Someone who fake cried would be Laura Lee, for example. You could literally see her trying to squeeze the tears out lmao But I was very... Uncomfortable, taken aback and just overall shocked at how Shane acted on his IG live. He sounded AND looked crazy. It only made me feel like he was actually involved and he got caught.
During Jackie Aina's review on Tati's blendiful she even said that Tati reached out to her to apologise which just shows how guilty she felt. Like Tati wouldn't be apologising to people suddenly behind the scenes if she just wanted to cause more drama.
The moment Tati told Shane about her sexual assault was the moment that Shane knew for a fact that she was going to be the perfect person to manipulate.
Yes ☹️ that was my thought too. That's so messed up! I don't support them AT ALL. I dont want to give them my money. I don't want to be seen with any of their products. I would feel GROSS.
First of all, that’s insulting to Tati and insinuating that she lacks intelligence. Secondly, that’s a very wild claim and assumption to make about Shane’s intentions. I doubt it was her sexual assault that made him feel this way and that’s a bit exploitative on your part to assume.
@@raquie5679 Manipulation doesn't suddenly stop happening due to "intelligence" and suggesting someone cannot be manipulated if they are smarter is why so many people are manipulated: because they think they're above it and it could never happen to them.
In Shane’s live it’s sounds like he was about to say “that is not true” about her talking about her sexual assault, and rolls his eyes and shouts “I WAS MOLESTED” after saying she is manipulative for talking about her experience of sexual assault. I’ve never seen such hypocrisy unfold all in one breath.
tedy ryt doubt its accusation. He’s been called out for a lot of stuff. He’s clearly pressed that he’s been exposed. The reason I believe Tati is coz her script was approved by a legal team.
also covering your mouth is a sign of guilt when examining body language and he spent the ENTIRE live with his hand over his face/mouth when he wasnt spewing nonsense
Somebody said “Jenna Marbles cancelling herself before someone else did and Nikkie coming out as trans due to blackmail could be Jeffree Star pulling the strings behind all this.” Imagine... WHEW CHILEEE 🥴
the way shane responded with lightning speed to tati's video but not to all the legitimate claims and videos of him being a racist pedophile..... yikes
@@iamshooketh9345 He hasn't come out and apologized to the Smith family yet. And I think the issue is he's having some kind of breakdown on this, but when the narrative on Twitter turned to him being a p*do there's nothing. The priorities are off.
Considering they are legitimate claims, most likely there would be legal action via the Smiths so even if he wanted to come out with it, he wouldn't be able to for legal reasons. Only if that were the case that is.
I think it's because he knows that after Tati's video it would literally cancel him properly. However that shouldn't have been the case. He should've been cancelled the minute he did black face or sexualised children.
He legit looks crazy.... like that is panic mode, which can only mean that its true what Tati said. Because if it wasnt true, then a person wouldnt panic like this.
@@TKDDLJ09 Shane had panic attacks tho. He was mainly pressed about tati alienations. Ik damn well if my career was under fire and someone comes out and just spreads misleading information or whatever, then I'd be freaking out too :/ Thats just me.
@@bootyjig921 that isn't an excuse though. And his situation is way different than others. Like doing a live? Stupid choice. You wouldn't be doing a live either if this was happening to you. You would be in your room crying most likely and that is what Shane should have done. He shouldn't have gone live and look like a legit crazy person. And he just got what he served James and before saying anything I have never liked James, never watched a single video, but what Shane and Jeffrey did to James was unforgivable if it's untrue. So now Shane just knows how it feels and he made fun of someone whose been sexually assaulted. Panick attacks do not excuse that.
I checked her instagram too and it broke my heart. People are over there telling her to kill herself and that she should die. How are they any better, it's just gross
tati is the most believable one rn. firstly, she has a LEGAL team involved. she ain’t risking her last pennies on something she made up. secondly, a lot of things she said we also heard from other creators, like the audio evidence against james that we first heard from blaire white.
yeah I honestly think Shane and j* preyed on the fact she was a victim of assault and basically told her to make the video so that other victims could feel safe in coming forward. She was gaslighted by them both so they could feel better about themselves etc
Can we just acknowledge that if someone was sexually assaulted, they would be absolutely TERRIFIED to come out at this point. Look at all the drama that's occurred before they've even publicly told their story. Horrific.
Disgusting. Even if the identity of the victim is not public imagine them seeing all this drama surrounding their voice note it just opens up wounds and makes them even more terrified while they could've been on the right path with therapy etc. This is why I think everyone should stop talking about them all this is doing is ruining peoples mental health and to what end..
@@alexandran6009 my question is why send Jeffree, the most dramatic beauty UA-camr, a voice note about your assault? The voice note was sent months before Dramageddon 2, but it was sent to Jeffree and for what? Go to the police. Sending a voice note to an influencer isn't going to help. It won't get you justice.
@@AvengeTheTRexOfSteel that's why i am very sceptical regarding this voice note... Since jeffree has been such a snake I wouldn't be surprised if he had payed someone to send him this voicenote or something like that. Even if that would be fucked up, i truly hope this is the case. Because if there's really a victim out there... Damn this situation must be horrible for them.
IvyJoe Jeffree can be very manipulative so someone who has been assaulted and is vulnerable may have just wanted someone to talk to and Jeffree could’ve played on that to get information from them
Especially because people have already switched sides and are defending James Charles now. Even though honestly, ALL of them are horrible people. James is most likely a predator, Shane and jeffree are racist assholes and Tati is deflecting all she was a part of so that she doesn’t get sued.
There is NO WAY Shane and Jeffree’s “friendship” is genuine. What it is, is mutually beneficial. Shane makes the moves that Jeffree can’t, and Jeffree goes in confrontation harder where Shane doesn’t feel comfortable. There’s no way Jeffree doesn’t have dirt on Shane, and there’s no way he doesn’t turn on him too.
I saw Shane’s live on twitter and like Angelika said, he sounds panicked, and not in a frustrated way, but in a “oh shit, I’m fucked” way. I really don’t see what Tati has to gain by lying, where as Shane and Jeffree have everything to lose if they’re caught out.
@@mistyapple85 She has to gain being uncancelled. Since she s the one who got the most backlash out of the James drama. I don't think Jeffree and Shane are innocent but she s not either. The whole video is her shifting the blame of herself.
A bit rich of shane to say that tati is manipulative when she mentions that she was sexually abused in the past but it's okay for him to say he had a bad childhood excusing his "jokes"
Why did I actually get like anxiety watching Shane’s reaction to Tati’s video? Like genuinely my heart sank into my stomach and I started feeling like anxious...he’s literally acting like that one bully in school who would interrupt you when you’d tell the teacher about what he did to you...
I think you probably felt that anxiety because the type of bullying you mentioned is traumatic. And this is reminding you of those awful feelings. I’m sorry you felt so bad. I hope you are okay now!
It made me feel anxious too! It reminded me so much of personal experiences. I couldn’t watch the clip all the way through. But I can just tell from the body language and his general reaction that he’s freaking out. He thought speaking nicely of Tati would ensure that she didn’t speak out against them. He’s shocked that she was brave enough and his brown nosing didn’t work. Definitely guilty. He made a huge mistake making that livestream.
100% people acting like she owes them an apology like no y’all entitled. The only apology she owes is to James, she did and they made up. The comments under her are sooo vile ugh
Shane's live was really, really gross. As a person who survived sexual assault, when I was a child, the way he was acting when she mentioned sexual assault made me feel so sick and uncomfortable. Like literally *almost* saying that she should shut up? jesus christ. This is so much more than tea, and its sick. Shane is going to regret that live.
Amber Lovin and?? if you’re sexually assaulted wouldn’t you sympathize with a fellow victim? no one should go through sexual assault. shane is just angry that he’s being cancelled for everything and no one is going to accept him using his past as an excuse now.
@@amberlovin5584 you literally keep commenting shit like this you sound very ignorant. The context she used her sexual assault in made sense. Shane dawson's didn't. Shane dawson used it to deflect. Tati used it to show that shane and her became close quickly and then him and jeffree just ghosted her.
The thing is tati never called him a predator herself, she just addressed his behavior. JEFFREE DID + called him a danger to society. You guys mix up there words and now tati is getting comments like "didn't you call him a predator tho?" SHE DID NOT
She pretty much Spun the tail of him being a predator tbh. When she lied and said james tried to use his fame to get straight guys to sleep with him. She didnt use those words but she implied it.
@@jessicaw6930 she did not call him a predator though, she only mentioned how far he pushed his boundaries but never deemed him dangerous. it can be implied but unless said, it's not plausible.
The minute J* got voicememos of any sort he should have either shut his mouth about it or- if he was that concerned- gone to the police so they could investigate. But these three 30-somethings were so charged up over a then 19 year old they made this into a drama shitshow. I'm actually pretty done with all of this.
look how Shane reacts when Tati says she’s been a victim of sexual assault “SHU-“ as if he was gonna say “OH SHUT UP” yet his bad childhood is an excuse for HIS abhorrent behaviour... okay
Absolutely! No matter what your issue is with someone, you have no right to belittle someone’s experience with sexual assault. That is just WRONG on so many levels.
Andra Stefanescu it doesn’t seem like this vid is on the whim. she had a script and a legal team approving everything she said. and it seems like she thought about the bye sister video a bit before making it
Shane BEEN like this. This is not NOT new. You can go 10 years back of people calling him out for being rude and manipulative. Jeffree didn’t corrupt him he’s been like this. He’s just rebranded so much a lot of y’all didn’t see his manipulative, racist, insensitive past. This is proof he didn’t change. This is his karma
The fact that people still bring up her age when talking about the manipulation she suffered speak volumes on the mindset these people have. You can be manipulated regardless your age and life experiences, especially when you tick something that holds trauma to the person like s*xual as*ault.
and she felt obligated to make a video because she has experienced s*xual assault and Jeffree and Shane convinced her it would encourage people to speak out against James.
I'm confused tho bcz...all the top comments on Tati's video is people calling her 'childish' and that she's acting like 'she's in high school' but i feel like she expressed her emotions in an articulated way and structured the video well and its obvious its affected her mental health which is kinda upsetting cause at the end of the day we're all imperfect but I'm glad she publicly apologized to James because i think he deserved an apology..
YES I DON'T GET IT!!! They're all attacking her when she was 1. Asked to do this. 2. Obviously had a hard time making it. 3. WAS CLEARLY IN DANGER AT SOME POINT!!! It's SO insane.
Same,, i dont find anything wrong with her apology. She has a knack of being very articulate,,, she touched on the points enough to clear somethings but not too deep either than she revealed more than she needed to.
That's because most of them are all still in highschool and aren't mature enough to understand these situations fully and don't care to hear the full story. They are all biased.
Her being a sexual assault victim explains why she reacted so strongly to JS and SD saying JC was a predator. So many people have since the video said she “started drama bc of a vitamin”, and I’m glad she clarified that was not the reason. I am still so sad she was seen like that kind of person though
What annoys me extremely are people that didn’t even watch the video perpetuating the drama and automatically calling Tati a liar when she said her and James made up then literally confirmed most of the things people speculated about Shane and Jeffree. People really pick and choose what to believe and support.
a lot of comments were like, can someone tell me in short what's shes saying, i can't watch 40 minute video, and then start blaming her without even hearing her side. The brain capacity of some people amazes me
most comments were from Shane's stans bc they were "WhO eLSe CaME fRoM ShAnE'S LIvE?" and hurtful saying shes old enough to know that she was being manipulated, which is false. Manipulation doesnt pick ages, genders, race, etc...
obviously she’s not even close to the level of Shane and Jeffree but she’s pretty bad too imo- I would highly recommend Defo Noodles’ video on Tati. I don’t think she’s as innocent as she claims and he makes some good points. Edit: not that I believe in “canceling” her or anything, but I dont think it’s wise to 100% believe everything she’s said just yet
IKR!!!! People were literally BEGGING her to make a video, and the second she does they all jump down her throat. I'm remaining skeptical of all that she said, in case she gets discredited or more information comes out, but it's ridiculous that she does what people want her to do, and she gets hate for it.
@@taylormade9748 you're acting like the other parties involved are 5. They're all grown ups. If you watched her video, she mentions that this was the biggest mistake in her life but she was stuck in the middle of it all and made a bad choice. That doesn't mean what she did is right. But at least she is owning up to it unlike the others. It's not called being dramatic. It's facing the hate she's been on the receiving end of for a year now
@@taylormade9748 i would be scared of jeffree. He has blackmail on other ppl and brands that he shows off. The power he has would make anyone scared to speak out
I'm inclined to believe Tati in this situation because in all her years on UA-cam she was NEVER involved in drama until Jeffree Star came along. Plus, who is the one who benefits the most from seeing James fall? Not Tati. Jeffree.
Why are no drama channels talking about where Shane cut his live. He didn’t after ryland told him to get off, he did after Tati was starting to bring up what he allegedly said about James hurting himself. I have a feeling he did so because he felt his face would betray his persona of being innocent
You know tati has those messages for proof, I'm sure her lawyers have it too. She wouldn't say he called him a narcissist without receipts. It's just wrapped up in Legalities
I would think Tati is more an empath than Shane considering he’s never reached into his pocket to donate to charities whereas Tati has consistently donated money to charities and her PR items to women’s shelters. Plus she cried while apologizing to those she’s hurt. It didn’t look fake to me
His whole "empath" act got real old real quick. It's like someone constantly telling other people how nice they are. Would an empath make blackface videos knowing it would hurt black women? I don't think so. (Edit): or scoff at Tati bringing up being sexually assaulted? Would an empath dismiss James' detrimental mental health during the whole "Bye Sister" era as a needed "slice of humble pie"?
I never liked ryland and Shane to be honest. Something has never felt right with them... very fake and the need for attention with the constant I had a troubled childhood , I was abused, I’m sensitive etc always rubbed me the wrong way. Shane isn’t the only person in the world who’s had bad things happen to him. Plenty of people have had it or are having it just as bad or worse. It always feels like he has to one up on somebody and be like well that’s bad but.....mines worse. Ryland has clearly used Shane’s success to promote and gain views on his own channel and now it’s under threat.
Shane isn't perfect, but I would bet money to say that Jeffree will throw Shane under the bus first. He does it all the time meanwhile Shane is more accustomed to running away.
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The fact that Shane called her a manipulator when she was talking about her sexual assault and "fake crying" when in his own apology all he did was bring up his bad childhood as a way to explain his shit. Yikes
Not to mentiom getting beat by your mom or dad doesnt make someone do blackface and essentially kick start your career from mocking black women. Tati is a victim of sexual assault which is why she felt compelled to make the bye sister video after being manipulated by a questionable voice memo that Jeffree showed her from the alleged victim of James Charles.
saying Tati was fake crying when his best friend, J Snake, has gotten on Snapchat with some FAKE and I mean FAKEEEEEEE ass tears literally made me roll my eyes. Tati released “bye sister” with the narrative him and Jeffree wanted to put out & now that she’s put out HER narrative and HER experience with them she’s not a valid source 🙄
Sounds like a little thing called projecting
I was about to comment the same thing‼️
This is what i've been thinking!!! It made me sick to watch that instagram live of shane's reaction. Also Shane's selective caring (lets call it that) about sexual assault victims is alarming. He cared so much of about James's alleged victim, but when Tati says she was sexually assaulted in a video (for context) its OH SHUT UP SHE'S FAKE CRYINGGGG!!!
So three days ago Tati was "a queen" and "iconic" for the slice of humble pie thing but now that she defends herself she is manipulative and crazy.
Ok Shane
Exactlyyyyyy
This!!!
👏Thats👏the👏the👏tea👏sis👏
say it louder for the ppl in the back!!!!!
Yeah Shane Dawson is full of shit
Please we can NOT ignore Jeffree this time! He is the only one who nobody is paying attention to!
THIS
Exactly!
Oh they will and make sure that it goes down on shane.
Jeffree has been getting hate look at the comments on his last post and stuff. He’s going down finally
Katie Dial hes also deleting a bunch of that comments :(((( hes trying to do damage control and its awful
Shane Dawson: she's trying to manipulate everyone mentioning her sexual assault!
Also Shane: *blames everything he did on being depressed*
Ikr Shane is so hypocritical and his live only made him look worse
And his childhood smh
Fr
*and poor
Blames everything on his anxiety, depression, and the fact that he grew up poor 💃🏽🧍🏽♀️😩✨
Tati talking about abuse:
Shane's response - this woman is so manipulative
Shane defending his past actions - i was depressed and in a bad place
niamh 14 and he used his own past abuse as an excuse for his behaviour. You’d think he’d be a little more empathetic of something like that
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT TOO
shane? I think you misspelled trash ✨🧚🏻♀️
@@PlutoBarbie and yet he claims to be an "empath" but I've never seen him show an ounce of empathy unless it's to someone's ridiculously problematic behaviour because he can relate to being a POS...
show me the lie in this comment. pls.
I find it weird that people are STILL NOT canceling Jeffree and focusing their anger with Shane... 🤢
Seriously! He’s problematic but it’s still all part of Jeffree’s plan. Shane was (and still is) his shield that will take the brunt of the force while Jeffree can just stay quiet and safe in his corner
EXACTLY! Jeffree is just as bad, if not worse than Shane. The video of J* recording a drunk man who was very clearly not in the right state to go home with Jeffree and then J* saying he raped him was disgusting. I can’t believe it didn’t get as much attention as the Willow video Shane did.
both of them need to be held accountable, I guess everyone's focusing on Shane because he's the one talking about it and putting things out there for people to talk about however jeffree is m.i.a
Jeffree wasnt the one who went on ig live to react to Tati's videos. Jeffree wasn't also the one who made a really shitty apology video recently after a very inflammatory diss post. This is why most of ppl's attention is on Shane atm.
i think it's because jeffree has been completely silent so far. it's hard to cancel someone when they aren't posting or commenting.
shane is more pressed about this then accusations of paedophilia, he needs to get his priorities straight
This 😂😂😂
I honestly think it’s because he doesn’t believe he is a pedophile/racist (not saying whether I think he is or not, just what I think he thinks), but this is all hitting home for him because he knows damn well what she’s saying is the truth and it’s clearly enraging him that he’s been exposed now
Exactly, I said the same thing
tbh i think that’s because he was told (perhaps by Jeffree) to just ignore those kind of allegations if they ever came up again, since this isn’t the first time shane was exposed of being racist/saying creepy stuff about kids. can’t believe i watched that guy :/
Well, to be fair, lawyers haven't gotten involved in that situation.
Props to the person on Shane’s live who commented “is that Gabbie Hanna” 😂
Bethany Hobbs 😂😂😂👏🏻
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😹
Heyo I never watched or heard abt gabbie hannah except for ppl mentioning her when conversations about drama come up, can anyone tell me who that is and why everyone's talking about her?
@@Alryeght a youtuber and singer who used to hang out with Shane at one point. The reference is that she has these random mental breakdowns like Shane had on his live. She only tweeted something about being in danger but never said for what, then she deleted all her videos with Shane. She's a toxic person who keeps getting in trouble, that's it. Hope I was helpful :)
Sophia Sourkraut she was involved in a lot of drama and had been manipulative in other people’s lives (even private messaging minors and fans to get her point across) she believes she’s the victim in everything and could do no wrong. Just overall toxic and she usually does stuff like this. Hope this helps
YIKES shane's live spoke volumes. the eye roll when he heard tati speak about being a sexual assault victim was disgusting. i can't believe i ever supported him.
Yeah ! Me too i don't know how i ever supported him
he’s so toxic. you should NEVER react like that when someone says they were s*xually assaulted. i’m so over him and jeffree.
It's disgusting. He clearly doesn't care about the poor woman
he showed his true colours in that live
I know. Way to make all the sexual assault survivors who watch you your enemies.
the fact that he rolls his eyes when tati mentions her harassment but then uses his own abuse as an excuse tells me everything i need to know about that man
yess my thoughts exactly
He’s the kind of guy that needs to one-up everything or match it to downplay it
Absolutely infuriating that I’ve been watching him for 10 years and it never clicked
@@mink5251 yes, this! Better late than never tho, glad you see through it now.
In his first book he says he was never molested and is OFFENDED by that, because he looked like a pretty girl as a kid!!
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shane's live was the WORST thing he couldve done for his image
I have never seen him anything less than a sweet insecure man up to this point, that live made me feel scared and uncomfortable
It was also hilarious 😭💀
im glad he did it. hes showing his true colours more every day
decker jay I’ve never seen him like that. Granted I haven’t watched much of him but from what I’ve seen... he acted like a completely different person to what I’m used to
howdy partner he was SHOOK.
The fact that people are upping their home security because they’re legitimately afraid of Jeffree Star says a lot about him.
I believe cameron has mentioned jeffree has the funds to hire a hitman
@@Ivy-yp4vt who's Cameron? It sounds familiar, but I don't know why?
Katharina J kameron lester i think
@@Kathi8796 the black guy who first exposed him. Im thinking he might also be the guy jeffree mentioned to james last year in some texts
@@Ivy-yp4vt thank you!
BUT NOTICE: when tati says that she was sexually assaulted shane says “you are so manipulative” but in his “apology” video he uses his past as an excuse
Hope he is enjoying his humble pie!
Lay-Lay A hopefully
Alexandra Nicole he also goes ‘shhh’ as if he’s about to say shut up to her after she mentions her abuse!
Say it louder for the people in the back
Very good point
Tati: "As a victim of sexual assult..."
Shane: "Oh my god! That is so manipulative."
Also Shane in his apology vid: "I had a rough childhood and have anxiety."
Me: "...bruh"
Shane always plays the mental health card when he’s in drama. It’s disgusting.
I mean Shane is using his past childhood as an excuse to make jokes back in the day. Tati is using to show she knows what it’s like to be assaulted while also ruining people’s names. That’s wrong.
Right then he was like “she’s fake crying” when she was crying the whole time.
YES EXACTLY
THATS WHAT I WAS SAYING. she was opening up about her past which related to the topic while he used his experiences to excuse his racist behavior
It genuinely angers me that the comments on Tati’s video are like “Oh my god you’re 40 just shut up about it”, when they’re the same people on twitter who guilt tripped, begged and pleaded for her to come out and make a video. Convince me otherwise.
Probably just teenagers with nothing better than do than to stir more drama..
i think its stupid people who watched shanes live
Or someone paid them xD
Right? People are writing "Kim, people are dying" while this woman is talking about SA and the worst time of her life. Gross.
same
Funny how Shane SCREAMED about ads and didn't even care to listen that the money was for charity 😳
Trisha tweeted about the ads too so clearly she didn't watch the video to know the AdSense goes to charity
I saw SO many people complaining about ads saying she was doing this ONLY to gain money?!?! Like you didn't watch the whole video
chill he’s j worried haha
@@sincerelyy nop. evile bastard end of-
Shane going live was the WORST thing he could have done. He really showed his true colors. And completely undid every “apology” he’s made. He should take a page out of Jeffree book and just stay quiet.
ikr and saying that tati was lying about being abused wow lmaoo
facts
Agree!
@@shatogirl ikr at least make a cohesive video if ur gonna be upset, this feels like onision's breakdown videos
Ryland knew that too, you can hear him telling Shane to stop towards the end
The fact that shane is calling her out for fake crying when she is talking about her sexual assault makes me sick🤦🏻♀️
the fact that a 38 year old woman is saying she was fully (not partially, I would have taken partially) manipulated by these two to make that video. Im sorry doesn't sit right with me either.
@@alegria716 DO you even know what manipulation is? its slowly worming ideas into another person's head, sure Tati isnt entirely innocent but you saying it doesnt sit right with you despite it having a pretty high chance of being true is kinda wrong.
@@alegria716 shane and j* are showing their true colors. and it's not pretty.
like angelika said, you can be gaslit at any age and she was absolutely convinced he was doing something wrong (probably prompted by both them and her anger over the vitamin thing) which it turned out was false information fed to her by shane and jeffree. do i think she can put all the blame on them? no. but would she have made the video were it for their manipulation? probably not!
Alegria you’ve clearly never been manipulated. it doesn’t matter how old you are, anyone can be manipulated.
Shane - “I’m an empath”
Tati opens up to the public about past sexual abuse
Also Shane - * rolls eyes * you’re lying! No I was molested!
Boyyyyyy you’re only nice and “empathic” when it suits you
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Forreal
Yah! He's lying through his teeth!
Even in his book he said he wasn't!!!!
Because that fact had absolutely nothing to do with the video or whole drama
zainab thanveera I saw someone pointing that out on Twitter...maybe he forgot about the book because “he was in a dark place”
Shane rolling his eyes and yelling when Tati spoke about her trauma made me physically nauseous.
James minding his own business and not saying anything about this drama, is the best thing to do. Very mature.
Right, after Dramageddon I also hoped that Jeffree would grow but nope, he's being crazy on Twitter all year long
He won't stay silent, I'll put money on it
i feel bad for him. he didn't sign up for this, he was a normal beauty guru until last year.
@CrappyOneshots I agree
@@roxannelilymaria7365 he will, there's law involved now, anything he says could be used against him.
Shane going live and throwing a panic tantrum was the absolute worst thing he could have done
He should've done what his 'family' (aka Jeff) is doing and just kept his mouth shut. Literally pretty much nothing is going to help his case. He keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.
he sounds SOOOOO guilty
heartswell First the statement, than the apology video, and now this. Yep, he is digging his own grave.
his "cause she's a FUCKING-" and screaming at the tv .. feels like his real personality shining through that "nice guy" shit
Where is the live?
I think it’s disgusting that Shane can broadcast his live reaction to Tati’s video but can’t apologize to the Smith family.
i didn’t even think about that.... yikes maybe focus on one crisis at a time shane.... especially when there is a victim involved who you haven’t acknowledged
THIS!!! So true
Caroline Willow Smith, Will Smiths daughter
Will Smith's family. Theres a video of him pretending to jack off to a poster of underage Willow smith. Both her brother Jayden nd mom called him out on twitter.
RaeAnne Jackson if he has he would have told everyone. He’s the type to put everything online.
Can we talk about how People, including Ryland are calling Tati out and mentioning that she’s a “40 year old women” that’s stirring the pot. The misogyny and age discrimination is real. Not to mention they’re all in their 30’s. Rather then calling out her gender and age just say your point.
The fact that Ryland is using her age to say she should know better when Shane’s in his thirties or w/e and been doing nasty shit for years and they’re trying to excuse it 🤧🤧
I think their point is that she's old enough to know better than to make such serious allegation against James based only on rumors she allegedly heard from Shane and Jeffrey and then blame them for her own decisions
Chiara P I agree. But to me that point is invalid. Gaslighting is a serious topic, anyone can be a victim of it. It’s not just about toxic friends etc, this situation can now be considered slander. As a victim of gaslighting I know how hard it can be when people don’t believe you or you think you’re crazy for thinking people could even be capable of such things.
@@matsuoa03 But did she not also slander James? Whether or not she was gaslit, her actions still had terrible consquences and caused James to contemplate taking his own life. She also presented no proof of Shane or Jeffrey manipulating her, so for all we know she could just be making this up to cover her own ass. I'm sorry, but this whole "i was gaslit" excuse sounds a little too convenient. She should've checked herself before she wrecked herself
Chiara P I agree it could go either way. But I refuse to take such things in a such in serious way. If Tati said she was gaslit, I would believe her. If it ends with her being the liar Then I’ll consider her a bad person. I’d rather that support someone who has not taken enough accountability for their actions. Tati apologized for her actions towards James . It’s not my apology to accept its James’ and he did, that’s good enough for me. Shane Dawson’s taking accountability video however was not good enough for me, because that apology was supposed to be for his audience rather then the ethnic minorities he made fun of .
Y'all notice how Shane rushed to Jeffree's side, protected him and made sure he wasn't hurt in a major way.
Yeah, look at Jeffree when Shane is in the spotlight. Think about that real quick.
Maybe because he still did not receive his conspiracy palette millions 😂
i was just saying this, shane is willing to die on the jeffree star hill but clearly jeffree is not about to do that for him, some “family”
Nah, Imma think about it real slow, hold up.
To keep allegations of sexual assault off of him because right before this THAT was circulating 🤔
That was the easy part
Shane during the apology: i did that because of my bad childhood
Tati: I was abused
shane: >:(
He was like how dare you bring up you sexual assault. Ten seconds later he said I was molested.
Shane: Mom said it was my turn on the bad childhood tm
I was so confused why he even started a live it just makes him look worse, what was he even trying to prove there?
Jeffrey: its my traumaaahhhh
And let's not forget that she mentioned her assault not as an excuse of her horrible deeds but rather as a point of emphatisizing with the alleged victim.
and where is jeffree in all this? he literally left the second shane got into hot water. such a great friend, and shane called him "family"... yikes
Embarassing
And jeffree is just as bad
The relationship between Shane and Jeffree is the non-violent version of the woman who wants to change the serial killer. “Oh I can change him!”
quiet as a church mouse, worried about getting involved because he’ll lose supporters who buy his makeup
Even more reason to eat the rich
In Rylands recent tweets he said Tati told Shane countless times she's a big girl and she's doing the James video for herself .. which to me proves that Shane was trying to help her with the video to get it out there just like she said. Offering to edit it, offering to do the thumbnail and the title.
I agree, I also think while Jeffree felt threatened by James as his main competitor, Shane’s motivation I think was that he wanted to profit off of this drama to possibly make a series about it but it backfired
This is a very good point. I think Tati is playing the situation to her advantage but her points also connect
she was manipulated... she thought she was doing the right thing. how can you defend Shane? he told her lies about how bad James was, she thought it was a good thing, BECAUSE of Shane and Jeffree.
Problem was he had huge views before. Why would he need that promotion. He had already done world of Jeffery star, Tana con and in the mind of Jake Paul. Hell I think it crashed UA-cam. He didn t need the drama. It doesn’t t make sense to create that that could bite you in the ass so hard. Just saying. My guess have to be something else. Like Jeffery showing Shane messages of him sexual assaulting people, which could trigger Shane with his past history. Same with Tati. Or that was her excuse.
@@SweetHeart-life how about jealousy. James had the idea to do a beauty docco before Shane and was working on it with Peter Monn. (Peter monn talked about it in a recent video titled Tati breaks her silence) James and Peter got Shane involved to help and Shane told them not to make the video. Warned them about it and it went no further. He stole their idea and made his docco with Jeffree 2 years later. He felt just as threatened as Jeffree of Jame. You saw his reaction to Tatis video.. That's who he really is.
No matter how this story will evolve, to see Shane just roll his eyes the moment Tati mentioned her sexual abuse is already, to me, all answer I need.
Exactly. He doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself.
And then go *I* was molested...
Where did you see this? ??
vivian gutz shane's live
u can search it up on angel lane
vivian gutz he watched it on insta live and threw a tantrum like 5 year old yelling at his mom for not getting them the lollipop they wanted smh
“She is a-“ ... “This person, literally” ... “Keep pressing play so I can get through this and-“ ... he could NOT complete a logical thought. He knows he’s caught.
Or maybe he was emotional, he was accused of many things in the past week and when someone’s making a 40 minute video, basically fake crying and making up lies without any proof you get angry, it’s easy to say he’s the guilty one when you don’t know both sides of the story. He overreacted and people like you will be dragging him for it now, but no one is going to talk about other youtubers messing up even more
@@agas5773 As if he's entirely innocent himself. This is what accountability looks like especially when he's exposed for racism and pedophilia (which makes this entirely a whole new level than what other youtubers have been facing backlash for) and his association with Jeffree is a huge factor in this.
@@agas5773 Who else is messing up more than Shane Dawson and Jeffree Star right now?!
Aga S ‘It’s easy to say he’s the guilty one when you don’t know both sides of the story’ but somehow you’re 100% sure that she’s lying and her crying is fake? The hypocrisy on this bus is ASTRONOMICAL.
Aga S she does have proof she just won't release them until after the law has been finished with jeffree and shane. she said that in her video.
If JAMES, the victim HIMSELF, believed and forgave Tati... who are random strangers on the internet to discredit and attack her?? Smh
Exactly!
Say it again for the ones in the back👏👏👏
Precisely this^
Amen 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
αυяєιту YESSS. ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
Don’t get me wrong, Shane is ruining his own career, but I feel like people are focusing ONLY on Shane and not enough on J*. Same thing that happened with Tati, all the blame for this whole drama was put on Tati. And it seems like J* is doing the same thing again, pushing someone else in front of the bus and he comes out with no bruises on the other side. We should focus on J* this time too, because we can’t let him get away with all the shit he’s done and blame someone else for it. People are seriously afraid of J*, people, open your eyes.
J* is definitely the common denominator. Hes a toxic manipulator... its obvious. J* has no honest good intentions for anyone but himself. Hes a narcissist at its worst. Hes knows it too.
Shane’s Live gave him probably one of his biggest L’s ever.
Dug himself a grave there
yup. worse decision ever.
He honestly just looks stupid by doing this
Yeah that was very embarrassing to watch
Where can we see it?
Shane in dramageddon 2: praising and promoting tati
Shane 3 days ago: "tati's a queen! Her video will go down in the history books!"
Shane now: TATI IS AN EVIL LYING VILLAIN!!!!
loool
it proves that what tati said was real
that is getting crazier every single day
in conclusion: trust no one because they can turn on you in an instant.
PARKOUR
Dude if someone switches sides on you, of course your opinion on them will change
Shane’s Live was the nail in the coffin of his career. Quote me.
Disgusting man
at least it should be wether or not it will
right!!!!
it was embarrassing and awful just. ugh
Outrageous
It also annoyed me when Ryland called Tati a '40 year old woman'...sir, Tati is 38, your fiance is 32 and J* is 34. Please check yourself. If she's too old to be involved in this type of drama, so are they! Very misogynistic and uncalled-for thing to say about Tati imo
I don't know what to feel about the people commenting "People are dying" under Tati's video. Yes, there are more pressing issues in the world right now, and I won't defend or attack this stance; however where was this energy when Shane was releasing his statements???
also those ppl would be shocked to learn that we can care about more than one issue at the same time. brains are good at multitasking like that.
brewcha true but clearly one is more important
Misogyny
Yet they are commenting?
It’s funny bc they comment this to feel morally superior but like, you clicked on the video instead of “changing the world” yourself, so what’s even your point??
People are not highlighting the most important part here: Jeffree co-owns Morphe and they want to launch their own vitamis and supplements... so he benefits from Tati being over as well... this is not about gurus anymore, this is about Jeffree planning to take any potential competitors out of the market for him to just earn more money.
Where did you find that information from?
Grace S. now that everything is falling into place i am honestly super scared
everything in the beauty industry being owned by jeffree star
this is absolute chaos
So she’s only speaking up now because SHE feels threatened. I’m part of a beauty group on FB that has hundreds of thousands of members and they keep posting makeup they’re just now purchasing from Jeffree star and saying that they will ALWAYS support him. I don’t think he’ll ever lose any business either way. Sadly this is how the world works.
Epoxy Makeup - she’s speaking up now because people have been asking her to speak up. She probably was wishing to have this drama shit left back in 2019.
@@jsarahi2635 People should stop tying their identity to the brands they like, there is literally no reason to defend a brand so fiercely if they don't have shares in it. People sometimes get in debt to buy something they don't need just to get poor Jeffree another luxury car.
Shane’s reaction painted him as guilty. It looked like he was *PANICKING* , caught in a lie? hmmm.
you can see Ryland pacing around too and Ryland was so quick to go off on Tati on twitter yikessss
Megan Cater it’s like he knows she’s telling the truth but has to defend his fiancé, because Shane rescued him from that E News job to become a housewife 🌈
Sorry I have to
CAUGHT IN A LIEEEEEEEEE🎶
We need to wait until more information and evidence comes out. Im not jumping on anyone's bandwagon or team. I urge ya to do the same.
kyla bobbi-may 😂
"Savior complex" exactly. That's how I see her. It's funny how she was never part of ANY drama until she befriended Jeffrey. I think that says a lot.
This is not “Tea” , Jeffre and shane’s actions are beyond creepy and scary :/
Carolina Sánchez Hernández T-192
This is crime
literally .. they're PREDATORS
Thank you I’m tired of everyone saying they’re tired of the drama...like what?!?! They’re tired of canceling predators/pedophiles?? That’s not tea... if James was acting “predatory” we should look around at who was grooming this behavior just saying.
True. There's a fine line between gossip (tea) and exposing predators.
When tati started to get emotional when talking about her abuse, Shane rolled his eyes and then started shouting "I was molested!". Disgusting
Yet he used his own story in his apology? So it’s okay when Shane does it, but when Tati does it shes manipulative and crazy. Hmmm Shane sure getting shadier and shadier
Also, doesn't it say in one of his books that he actually wasn't even molested? Like, he was offended he wasn't molested as a kid? If that's true then he's straight up lying to try and diminish Tati's abuse and make her seem like a manipulative person when he actually is
I'm sorry WHAT!? What the actual fuck is wrong with him!? He's trying to play the "my life was worse than yours" game!
@@royallorde1536 that's disgusting on his part. Ugh.
@@royallorde1536 yes it does, i just read that shitty book last year (i didnt pay for it, found a free pdf online lol)
“GASLIGHTING DOESNT HAVE AN AGE CAP” repeeeeeeeat until the end of time
@@RealityCheck1993 We don't have all the details as to what happened, but Tati said herself that she was gaslit, so that's why people are saying it.
gaslighting is a form of manipulation.
And telling someone they should out a predator because she herself has been assaulted and knows how it feels to be in that position is indeed gaslighting.
RealityCheck1993 I agree with what everyone else is saying, we don’t know the whole story. But I also see where you’re coming from. We need to keep the definitions of these things clear. Just because she might not have actually been gaslit doesn’t take away from her experience. She might just not know how to use the word. And it is important to not stray from that definition.
"GASLIGHTING DOESN'T HAVE AN AGE LIMIT"
UA-cam demonitized Shane's channels-like all of them. BEFORE TATI DID ANYTHING. So. Shit's happening.
@@cristinac9410 everyone's confirmed it on Twitter and reddit
Will they be demobilized forever?
Kcat most likely
lMAOOO LETS GOOOO !!!
Time for retirement 🙃
Shane's live was so weird. He was panicking, and shit.
I know none of his fans saw him like that before. His true colors are finally showing
rockshock06 u believe dumb shit 💀
Dude like he needed to breath😂
Fr tho, I never seen shane like that but i think hes freaking out because tati prob is telling her half ass story to save her platform. Do I think shes lying, not completely but do I think shes trying to point the finger at others for her mistake, yes. And she is manipulative, I agree with Shane's comment on that because she made a mistake and instead of taking accountability for it, shes trying to manipulate the audience to thinking she was forced in it all and she wasnt. She wrote the script in 2019 exposing james.
Bre Niquole she has plenty of reason to lie but the fact that she’s taking legal action makes me believe that she is mostly telling the truth. In court she’s going to have to testify under oath and if she lies under oath she will get even more trouble.
Shane sounds so guilty in that livestream, he's trying to manipulate his audience against Tati "sHeS fAkE cRyInG AHHH" Regret buying the conspiracy palette
Yup, those were the crazy eyes of someone who got caught.
Yeah I regret buying the jawbreaker palette
He ended his live right before she mentioned how she feared for James's safety and that Shane said that he's too narcissistic to do it.
100% guilty
yeah.....i really feel like we all got bamboozled when we bought the palette 😬
@@gloriaf402 is not your fault,just sell it or use it anyways. It was before any of this happen so it doesn't matter really
Let's also not ignore the fact that in Shane's book "I Hate MySelfie" he literally said that he was never molested as a child. He said something along the lines of how he was such a pretty-looking child that it was shocking he never got molested. But now he's claiming he was molested after saying Tati was using her own abuse as a manipulation tactic? Okay Shane, okay.
Assault can happen at any age evem after he wrote his book
I am not saying anything did or didnt happen but comments like these are why some grown adults dont come forward about their assaults
I was molested when I was younger and that's not something to play with, or lie about. It's a very sensitive subject!!!
Jackie aina isn't scared of Jefree and I love that she stands up to him.
That's the one part of this I didn't understand, what did he do to her?
spooky koo he called her a gorilla
@@WitchRidden I don't remember where but Jeremiah called her a monkey
Oh, disgusting. Was this recent?
spooky koo
I believe it was 1-2 years ago but Idk
Idc if james problematic or not, but he had a big heart to forgive tati
Yes, I definitely respect him for that, its takes a lot to forgive people who have hurt you.
He seems to have grown a lot since the first scandal and I really respect him for that
Tati said James and her compared receipts and they found out who did what and manipulated what. He wanted to make Tatis video with her but she
didn’t want to involve James
This.
Im still believing tati telling us James went after straight guys and threatens to out them. I think all 4 of these people are pretty much equally shitty.
This isn’t tea anymore this is a lawsuit. Tati was scared for her life that’s disgusting.
You're right but she's not without fault in this either. From the beginning, I did not understand why she did this to James so publically. I am still not convinced and am disgusted by her too. I was never a fan of any of them but I was on James' side the entire time. I went with my guts on this. Bunch of adults ganging up on a teen.
this is why I’m a bit uncomfortable with the clickbaity titles, it’s not just “exposing” anymore, it feels like it’s more than that
Elen A it definitely is more than that with what they are accusing James of doing.
Eliza Bentley At least she owned up to her faults sincerely. She apologised wholeheartedly multiple times and you can tell it was genuine. No one is without fault, and what she did was wrong, but I cannot help feel bad for her for being manipulated by powerful and influential figures who were feeding her lies.
RosePlays Did she apologize though? Her video was very manipulative and she made herself the victim. She's now scared for her life but she had no issue accusing James of turning out straight men to her millions of fans. She said she didn't accuse him of being a predator but she totally forgot how she said he was manipulating straight men into thinking they're gay. She even considered he might commit suicide but nothing stood more important than her vitamins. Tati is as guilty and as bad as Jeffree and Shane
Shane Dawson sounds like he's trying to convince himself that tati is lying.. man feels threatened
Shane: talks about his sexual assault in his "apology" video
Tati: Shares that she's a victim of sexual assault
Shane: SHES SO MANIPULATIVE
Z Wood also Shane: she’s totally faking it
watch Sanders Kennedy's latest video uploaded tonight, the clip of Shane is DISGUSTING and I'm so glad Sanders sent it to the police
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the fact that he rolled his eyes when he said that was absolutely vile
The fact that he’s freaking out more over this than being called a predator and a racist really tells you something
Was there a live reaction when that new came out?
Sweet Heart he went on ig live yelling at what she said in the video and calling her a manipulator
Sweet Heart You can find it on youtube. It‘s crazy!
I think it's because he knows she has receipts to back up what she's saying.
Wait who freaked out??
shane in his recent video: I deserve hate I deserve to be humbled
Tati: does just that
Shane on his insta live: idk wtf is happening rn this is wrong
Exactly like sis can’t make up his mind... 🤦🏾♀️
I guess it was that it came from Tati. I wouldn't be so quick to believe her I don't believe any of them are telling the truth and are not trying to twist the narrative to benefit them.
Okay I just wanna say as an "emotional person" overall I can never stop myself from crying and it looks exactly how Tati cried in the video (trying to stop yourself, your voice sounds shaky and the tears just want to come out, you can't seem to stop them). So, yes, I do believe it was genuine and she wasn't faking it.
Someone who fake cried would be Laura Lee, for example. You could literally see her trying to squeeze the tears out lmao
But I was very... Uncomfortable, taken aback and just overall shocked at how Shane acted on his IG live. He sounded AND looked crazy. It only made me feel like he was actually involved and he got caught.
During Jackie Aina's review on Tati's blendiful she even said that Tati reached out to her to apologise which just shows how guilty she felt. Like Tati wouldn't be apologising to people suddenly behind the scenes if she just wanted to cause more drama.
YES, I forgot about that.
Oh god I remember that.
I remember this!!!!!
@dudulse if Jackie did not feel that Tati was genuine she would not do the review
dudulse yall love twisting everything
The moment Tati told Shane about her sexual assault was the moment that Shane knew for a fact that she was going to be the perfect person to manipulate.
Yes ☹️ that was my thought too. That's so messed up! I don't support them AT ALL. I dont want to give them my money. I don't want to be seen with any of their products. I would feel GROSS.
This is so scary. I wouldn't want that to happen on even my worst enemy...
And thats a narastsist for you god
First of all, that’s insulting to Tati and insinuating that she lacks intelligence. Secondly, that’s a very wild claim and assumption to make about Shane’s intentions. I doubt it was her sexual assault that made him feel this way and that’s a bit exploitative on your part to assume.
@@raquie5679 Manipulation doesn't suddenly stop happening due to "intelligence" and suggesting someone cannot be manipulated if they are smarter is why so many people are manipulated: because they think they're above it and it could never happen to them.
In Shane’s live it’s sounds like he was about to say “that is not true” about her talking about her sexual assault, and rolls his eyes and shouts “I WAS MOLESTED” after saying she is manipulative for talking about her experience of sexual assault. I’ve never seen such hypocrisy unfold all in one breath.
he was shouting at the overall accusation against him
tedy ryt doubt its accusation. He’s been called out for a lot of stuff. He’s clearly pressed that he’s been exposed. The reason I believe Tati is coz her script was approved by a legal team.
its not a competition to who has more trauma like tf
EXACTLY he’s now experiencing what James has to go through and he doesn’t like it
also covering your mouth is a sign of guilt when examining body language and he spent the ENTIRE live with his hand over his face/mouth when he wasnt spewing nonsense
Somebody said “Jenna Marbles cancelling herself before someone else did and Nikkie coming out as trans due to blackmail could be Jeffree Star pulling the strings behind all this.” Imagine... WHEW CHILEEE 🥴
NOO
the way shane responded with lightning speed to tati's video but not to all the legitimate claims and videos of him being a racist pedophile..... yikes
He already made videos and apologised for all of that before this scandal tho
@@iamshooketh9345 He hasn't come out and apologized to the Smith family yet. And I think the issue is he's having some kind of breakdown on this, but when the narrative on Twitter turned to him being a p*do there's nothing. The priorities are off.
Considering they are legitimate claims, most likely there would be legal action via the Smiths so even if he wanted to come out with it, he wouldn't be able to for legal reasons. Only if that were the case that is.
I think it's because he knows that after Tati's video it would literally cancel him properly. However that shouldn't have been the case. He should've been cancelled the minute he did black face or sexualised children.
oh my god didn’t even think about this, very true and shows his ignorance
Shane going on live was the worst decision of his career, auto cancelled himself 😭
He legit looks crazy.... like that is panic mode, which can only mean that its true what Tati said. Because if it wasnt true, then a person wouldnt panic like this.
@@TKDDLJ09 Shane had panic attacks tho. He was mainly pressed about tati alienations. Ik damn well if my career was under fire and someone comes out and just spreads misleading information or whatever, then I'd be freaking out too :/ Thats just me.
allegations**
Katl140 or maybe that humble pie doesn’t taste as good as he thought
@@bootyjig921 that isn't an excuse though. And his situation is way different than others. Like doing a live? Stupid choice. You wouldn't be doing a live either if this was happening to you. You would be in your room crying most likely and that is what Shane should have done. He shouldn't have gone live and look like a legit crazy person. And he just got what he served James and before saying anything I have never liked James, never watched a single video, but what Shane and Jeffrey did to James was unforgivable if it's untrue. So now Shane just knows how it feels and he made fun of someone whose been sexually assaulted. Panick attacks do not excuse that.
Seeing this comment section restored a little of my faith in humanity. Tati's video comments are so cynical.
Same. I was genuinely concerned seeing the comments. But these make me feel way better!
All the drama channels are mostly supportive towards Tati which tells me all of the nasty comments on her video are from Shane and Skeletor stans.
@@lawlee667 skeletor omg he really is
I checked her instagram too and it broke my heart. People are over there telling her to kill herself and that she should die. How are they any better, it's just gross
Shadow Storm I checked some of the profile... they’re all private accounts. The few that weren’t were all Shane stans 🙄
tati is the most believable one rn. firstly, she has a LEGAL team involved. she ain’t risking her last pennies on something she made up. secondly, a lot of things she said we also heard from other creators, like the audio evidence against james that we first heard from blaire white.
yeah I honestly think Shane and j* preyed on the fact she was a victim of assault and basically told her to make the video so that other victims could feel safe in coming forward. She was gaslighted by them both so they could feel better about themselves etc
Can we just acknowledge that if someone was sexually assaulted, they would be absolutely TERRIFIED to come out at this point. Look at all the drama that's occurred before they've even publicly told their story. Horrific.
Disgusting. Even if the identity of the victim is not public imagine them seeing all this drama surrounding their voice note it just opens up wounds and makes them even more terrified while they could've been on the right path with therapy etc. This is why I think everyone should stop talking about them all this is doing is ruining peoples mental health and to what end..
@@alexandran6009 my question is why send Jeffree, the most dramatic beauty UA-camr, a voice note about your assault? The voice note was sent months before Dramageddon 2, but it was sent to Jeffree and for what? Go to the police. Sending a voice note to an influencer isn't going to help. It won't get you justice.
@@AvengeTheTRexOfSteel that's why i am very sceptical regarding this voice note... Since jeffree has been such a snake I wouldn't be surprised if he had payed someone to send him this voicenote or something like that. Even if that would be fucked up, i truly hope this is the case. Because if there's really a victim out there... Damn this situation must be horrible for them.
IvyJoe Jeffree can be very manipulative so someone who has been assaulted and is vulnerable may have just wanted someone to talk to and Jeffree could’ve played on that to get information from them
Especially because people have already switched sides and are defending James Charles now. Even though honestly, ALL of them are horrible people. James is most likely a predator, Shane and jeffree are racist assholes and Tati is deflecting all she was a part of so that she doesn’t get sued.
I bet Shane didn’t expect Tati* to Beat her face to Gods 👼, pop on that right light 💡 and drag him to filth 👀
Omg 💀💀💀
This comment WINS
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Cris That sounds like Jeffree
@@toilettourist9669 Gangrene Scabfish is manipulative, he's literally always using people's downfalls for his own financial gain.
Shane looks like he LOST HIS MIND. Doesn’t speak well for him. 😒
Yeah I’m not surprised his fiancé was saying “get off” Instagram live, like it just isn’t a good look in any situation, especially this one
He needs to be in a padded room.
His years of perfecting his public mask disappeared in seconds.
reminds me of nikocado avocado
He looked coked out
Viviane Werner bro I was literally searching for someone to say this. I thought the same thing.
aaaannnd why did shane stop his live right when tati mentioned james potentially killing himself? Cause that would sound bad to his fans?
Very good point.
There is NO WAY Shane and Jeffree’s “friendship” is genuine. What it is, is mutually beneficial. Shane makes the moves that Jeffree can’t, and Jeffree goes in confrontation harder where Shane doesn’t feel comfortable. There’s no way Jeffree doesn’t have dirt on Shane, and there’s no way he doesn’t turn on him too.
DING DING DING! Jeffree knew exactly what he was doing befriending Shane
Through their documentary the way they talked seem like a way i’d talk to strangers or when I first met my friends
I saw Shane’s live on twitter and like Angelika said, he sounds panicked, and not in a frustrated way, but in a “oh shit, I’m fucked” way. I really don’t see what Tati has to gain by lying, where as Shane and Jeffree have everything to lose if they’re caught out.
So a simbiotic relationship?
@@mistyapple85 She has to gain being uncancelled.
Since she s the one who got the most backlash out of the James drama. I don't think Jeffree and Shane are innocent but she s not either. The whole video is her shifting the blame of herself.
Shane's live is so disturbing to me...his anger looks guilty asf...He literally looks like a mastermind villian when their plans falls apart lol
Lol I know! With his hair all frazzled and his wild eyes
Azula from ATLA type beat
Cage Gd it was such a sham
At the end of the movie. You’re absolutely right. He deserves more than anyone to be done.
Jeffree is a villian, yeah. Cool one and smart, not gonna deny
But Shane is not so clever ;)
So historical abuse is a good enough reason for Shane’s actions but when Tati mentions her experiences it’s manipulation? OKAY THEN.
hey after she said that he said "but IVE been molested!" it was so weird
yet he was the one who has harassed minors? this is ridiculous
@@tomminommi rightt.
A bit rich of shane to say that tati is manipulative when she mentions that she was sexually abused in the past but it's okay for him to say he had a bad childhood excusing his "jokes"
Why did I actually get like anxiety watching Shane’s reaction to Tati’s video? Like genuinely my heart sank into my stomach and I started feeling like anxious...he’s literally acting like that one bully in school who would interrupt you when you’d tell the teacher about what he did to you...
THIS
I think you probably felt that anxiety because the type of bullying you mentioned is traumatic. And this is reminding you of those awful feelings. I’m sorry you felt so bad. I hope you are okay now!
Literally same, it made me genuinely anxious and kinda scared tbh
It made me feel anxious too! It reminded me so much of personal experiences. I couldn’t watch the clip all the way through. But I can just tell from the body language and his general reaction that he’s freaking out. He thought speaking nicely of Tati would ensure that she didn’t speak out against them. He’s shocked that she was brave enough and his brown nosing didn’t work. Definitely guilty. He made a huge mistake making that livestream.
Same feeling here! I felt weird watching it, but I could not figure out what it was until I read your comment, and then, it hit me like a wall.
James forgave Tati , so clearly they're in the same page. There's literally no reason for people still being made at Tati in James behalf.
Exactly
100% people acting like she owes them an apology like no y’all entitled. The only apology she owes is to James, she did and they made up. The comments under her are sooo vile ugh
That’s true. If he’s not mad about it nobody else has the right to be.
Doesn’t change the fact that she is shady AF
@@xenax1875 where? What makes you think that
Shane's live was really, really gross.
As a person who survived sexual assault, when I was a child, the way he was acting when she mentioned sexual assault made me feel so sick and uncomfortable. Like literally *almost* saying that she should shut up? jesus christ. This is so much more than tea, and its sick.
Shane is going to regret that live.
Exactly! Him excusing that by saying he was molested too? My first reaction when people say they also have been assaulted is compassion not annoyance
I felt exactly the same
Amber Lovin and?? if you’re sexually assaulted wouldn’t you sympathize with a fellow victim? no one should go through sexual assault. shane is just angry that he’s being cancelled for everything and no one is going to accept him using his past as an excuse now.
Amber Lovin yeah but Tati didn’t use it as an excuse, Shane did.
@@amberlovin5584 you literally keep commenting shit like this you sound very ignorant. The context she used her sexual assault in made sense. Shane dawson's didn't. Shane dawson used it to deflect. Tati used it to show that shane and her became close quickly and then him and jeffree just ghosted her.
The thing is tati never called him a predator herself, she just addressed his behavior. JEFFREE DID + called him a danger to society. You guys mix up there words and now tati is getting comments like "didn't you call him a predator tho?" SHE DID NOT
RIGHT like all she said is that he pushed the line and was making people uncomfortable not that he EVER assaulted anyone
She pretty much Spun the tail of him being a predator tbh. When she lied and said james tried to use his fame to get straight guys to sleep with him. She didnt use those words but she implied it.
@@jessicaw6930 she did not call him a predator though, she only mentioned how far he pushed his boundaries but never deemed him dangerous. it can be implied but unless said, it's not plausible.
Is anyone else really proud of James for not piping up during this whole thing
Actually so surprised by this, in a positive way.
he's doing so well now, hope he's coping well with it off camera too
James is just letting them have their slice of humble pie 💕
I really hope he continues to stay out of it.
He must be fucking ENTERTAINED RN
It’s not “petty UA-cam drama” anymore, it’s serious and I hope everyone involved realizes it’s deep shit now.
The minute J* got voicememos of any sort he should have either shut his mouth about it or- if he was that concerned- gone to the police so they could investigate. But these three 30-somethings were so charged up over a then 19 year old they made this into a drama shitshow. I'm actually pretty done with all of this.
This is so true !
@@katie-iu3sg I agree. If/when someone comes forward I will support them. Until then I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens.
It never was “petty drama” when they showed themselves to be aggressive and unrelenting racists
SaBr 417 honestly like. Once i heard legal action in tatis video I knew to just sit back and watch it unfold
look how Shane reacts when Tati says she’s been a victim of sexual assault “SHU-“ as if he was gonna say “OH SHUT UP” yet his bad childhood is an excuse for HIS abhorrent behaviour... okay
when he rolled his eyes at her claim at being sexually assaulted, that is disgusting
the fact that shane rolled his eyes when tati talked about her assault, and then said he was molested a second later, THAT alone speaks volumes
Absolutely! No matter what your issue is with someone, you have no right to belittle someone’s experience with sexual assault. That is just WRONG on so many levels.
And then said she's "sO mAnIpUlAtIvE"
he even said in his book that he was never molested 😬 idk what to believe
"she's lying" "she's fake crying" but like how are we supposed to believe Shane after ALL this!!!???
Hah. Turns out Shane was the real sociopath all along
And how are we supposed to believe this tati when clearly she makes videos on a whim against her friends
@@andrastefanescu1376 clearly she never made those videos on a whim?? did you even watch the video?
Andra Stefanescu it doesn’t seem like this vid is on the whim. she had a script and a legal team approving everything she said. and it seems like she thought about the bye sister video a bit before making it
@@chlonanu to be fair the bye sister video was lies too I wouldn't believe any of the people involved in this
shane really rolled his eyes when she talked about SA like he's the only one who's allowed trauma? To me, an innocent person doesn't act like that.
he wants to be the victim in everything lmao
gingerbread boy he’s continuing the cycle of abuse and his fans are either too young or too stupid to see that
gingerbread boy where does he say that? Was the clip cut because I’ve played it multiple times and can’t hear it. I’m really confused.
Shane BEEN like this. This is not NOT new. You can go 10 years back of people calling him out for being rude and manipulative. Jeffree didn’t corrupt him he’s been like this. He’s just rebranded so much a lot of y’all didn’t see his manipulative, racist, insensitive past. This is proof he didn’t change. This is his karma
You can find older videos of him being called out
The fact that people still bring up her age when talking about the manipulation she suffered speak volumes on the mindset these people have. You can be manipulated regardless your age and life experiences, especially when you tick something that holds trauma to the person like s*xual as*ault.
dyn pt it annoys me how little people know about how the human brain works
if ppl genuinely think that you can't be manipulated when you're older need to learn a little thing called politicians
brewcha ooo the tea ☕️
and she felt obligated to make a video because she has experienced s*xual assault and Jeffree and Shane convinced her it would encourage people to speak out against James.
Shane is only an “empath” and “sensitive” when it benefits him. He’s so fake I can’t believe I was ever a fan.
fr he really rolled his eyes at her talking about being abused
Sameeeeee.
His instagram live on tatis video was really disconcerting though I couldnt even finish it
Same threw away his shirt I bought and don’t regret a thing🗑 Bye Piggie👋🐷
Narcissists regularly call themselves empaths. It is a huge red flag.
More like sociopath. I don't think he can genuinely empathize/sympathize with other people at all.
Shane: I had a rough childhood so I was racist
Tati: I had a history with sexual assault
Shane: OMG YOU ARE SO MANIPULATIVE!!! -! 1!1!1!1!-
Says a lot
Ok but if J* DOES come back and claims he was "in a bad place" y'all better pay me £100 ❤️🤡
Edit: Damn- guess I'm losing £100 👁👄👁
And if he says something else, you can pay me £100
Looooooool
Tallulah Wring ok sis 😔
I'm confused tho bcz...all the top comments on Tati's video is people calling her 'childish' and that she's acting like 'she's in high school' but i feel like she expressed her emotions in an articulated way and structured the video well and its obvious its affected her mental health which is kinda upsetting cause at the end of the day we're all imperfect but I'm glad she publicly apologized to James because i think he deserved an apology..
YES I DON'T GET IT!!! They're all attacking her when she was 1. Asked to do this. 2. Obviously had a hard time making it. 3. WAS CLEARLY IN DANGER AT SOME POINT!!!
It's SO insane.
It’s the cult stans really i just wanna flood her video with positivity
Same,, i dont find anything wrong with her apology. She has a knack of being very articulate,,, she touched on the points enough to clear somethings but not too deep either than she revealed more than she needed to.
That's because most of them are all still in highschool and aren't mature enough to understand these situations fully and don't care to hear the full story. They are all biased.
They are most likely Shane and Jeffree stans, especially from Shane’s live freak out, probably sicked his subscribers to go take her down
Her being a sexual assault victim explains why she reacted so strongly to JS and SD saying JC was a predator. So many people have since the video said she “started drama bc of a vitamin”, and I’m glad she clarified that was not the reason. I am still so sad she was seen like that kind of person though
What annoys me extremely are people that didn’t even watch the video perpetuating the drama and automatically calling Tati a liar when she said her and James made up then literally confirmed most of the things people speculated about Shane and Jeffree. People really pick and choose what to believe and support.
a lot of comments were like, can someone tell me in short what's shes saying, i can't watch 40 minute video, and then start blaming her without even hearing her side. The brain capacity of some people amazes me
Daria they just want something to complain about and cancel. They don’t care about actual change and forgiveness
most comments were from Shane's stans bc they were "WhO eLSe CaME fRoM ShAnE'S LIvE?" and hurtful saying shes old enough to know that she was being manipulated, which is false. Manipulation doesnt pick ages, genders, race, etc...
obviously she’s not even close to the level of Shane and Jeffree but she’s pretty bad too imo- I would highly recommend Defo Noodles’ video on Tati. I don’t think she’s as innocent as she claims and he makes some good points.
Edit: not that I believe in “canceling” her or anything, but I dont think it’s wise to 100% believe everything she’s said just yet
IKR!!!! People were literally BEGGING her to make a video, and the second she does they all jump down her throat. I'm remaining skeptical of all that she said, in case she gets discredited or more information comes out, but it's ridiculous that she does what people want her to do, and she gets hate for it.
when shane rolled his eyes when tati said she was a victim of abuse..... said so many things about himself
The fact that she had to literally MOVE HOUSE proves how SERIOUS this is
It is hella serious
She’s being dramatic. She’s a grown 40 year old woman who does not know discernment??
@@taylormade9748 you're acting like the other parties involved are 5. They're all grown ups. If you watched her video, she mentions that this was the biggest mistake in her life but she was stuck in the middle of it all and made a bad choice. That doesn't mean what she did is right. But at least she is owning up to it unlike the others. It's not called being dramatic. It's facing the hate she's been on the receiving end of for a year now
Taylor Jones she ain’t being dramatic, do you realize how much power jeffree has? Even kam Lester and half the beauty community are afraid of his ass
@@taylormade9748 i would be scared of jeffree. He has blackmail on other ppl and brands that he shows off. The power he has would make anyone scared to speak out
Can you believe Shane Dawson tried to convince us everybody else was a sociopath but he was the sociopath all along
Maybe he’s the monster that’s been here all along...
I’ll let myself out
wHaT iF iM tHe mOnsTEr
Loooooool rightttt
Plot twist
LITERALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
I'm inclined to believe Tati in this situation because in all her years on UA-cam she was NEVER involved in drama until Jeffree Star came along. Plus, who is the one who benefits the most from seeing James fall? Not Tati. Jeffree.
BOOM. Also, there's no way she would retain legal counsel if she didn't have proof of all this. She seems genuinely afraid.
Why are no drama channels talking about where Shane cut his live. He didn’t after ryland told him to get off, he did after Tati was starting to bring up what he allegedly said about James hurting himself. I have a feeling he did so because he felt his face would betray his persona of being innocent
You know tati has those messages for proof, I'm sure her lawyers have it too. She wouldn't say he called him a narcissist without receipts. It's just wrapped up in Legalities
THANK YOU I've been saying this
Yes, he clearly understood that she started talking specifically about him.
Pay close attention to his face as he cuts the live...
He goes from emotionally charged to very somber and timid....
Seems suspish 💁
Yall think Shane's gonna enjoy his slice of humble pie the size of the empire state building?
I- LMAO CANT STAND U
Probably the size of whole fucking new york city
More like burj Khalifa
Him and Jeffree are having their own entire pies, not just a slice lmaooo
Sadly, people go straight to accusing Tati of lying so he isn’t getting it the size of the Empire State Building
Shane’s reaction to her video shows how insensitive he is, he isn’t an empath.
exactly, yet he wants empathy for his troubled childhood, like dude you don't deserve any empathy if you can't feel it towards others
I would think Tati is more an empath than Shane considering he’s never reached into his pocket to donate to charities whereas Tati has consistently donated money to charities and her PR items to women’s shelters. Plus she cried while apologizing to those she’s hurt. It didn’t look fake to me
His whole "empath" act got real old real quick. It's like someone constantly telling other people how nice they are. Would an empath make blackface videos knowing it would hurt black women? I don't think so. (Edit): or scoff at Tati bringing up being sexually assaulted? Would an empath dismiss James' detrimental mental health during the whole "Bye Sister" era as a needed "slice of humble pie"?
Yoooo rylands responses. He needs to be checked because this fool is literally gassing up a whole predator!!!
I never liked ryland and Shane to be honest. Something has never felt right with them... very fake and the need for attention with the constant I had a troubled childhood , I was abused, I’m sensitive etc always rubbed me the wrong way. Shane isn’t the only person in the world who’s had bad things happen to him. Plenty of people have had it or are having it just as bad or worse. It always feels like he has to one up on somebody and be like well that’s bad but.....mines worse. Ryland has clearly used Shane’s success to promote and gain views on his own channel and now it’s under threat.
I'm just wondering who'll be the first to throw the other one under the bus between Shane and Jeffree.
Lol can't wait to see
I feel like Jeffree might toss Shane only because he's got more experience with drama
i think both at once
Lol Jeffree is experienced in throwing his “friends” under the bus
Shane isn't perfect, but I would bet money to say that Jeffree will throw Shane under the bus first. He does it all the time meanwhile Shane is more accustomed to running away.