I always check back this nasty 9c turn hoping to call a river bet. And if they don’t bet the river, I do. You value target the king and go about 1/2 pot. 2nd hand: KQo I usually bet 70-100% pot at this spot, but I know I need more solver work on sizing…
For me it’s a 3 way tie… first, it’s to make sure I go for value. I have checked back so many rivers where I was pretty sure I was good… and I was. I have left so much money in other peoples stacks because of this leak. I started taking notes at the table to figure out how often I do it … honestly, just the act of writing it down has greatly reduced the frequency of the leak. It helps me be accountable to myself. Second is over bets. The biggest pot I have ever won was done by over betting. But it’s one of the only time I have ever done it. I need to add it more regularly to my arsenal. Last is to not slow play. I flopped a king high straight OPP and checked to the raiser (a very fun action player). It checked around. then I checked on the turn hoping the action player would bet. They didn’t and a flush came out on the river…. They flip over 6d2d for the flush. This is honestly a place where I should overbet as that is the only way she would ever fold. It was a Stupid play. But every time I think about slow playing, I think about that hand - and haven’t done it since (6 sessions ago).
I actually followed that tip a couple of times last night. It's amazing how a tough but necessary fold or two will turn a potential disastrous losing session into a small, but at least winning, session.
I needed to hear this for I got beat bad last week on my first hand! Should’ve folded pocket Kings on the Turn, the guy had A8 offsuit & flopped trip 8s
just played a hand after watching your video...I rivered a straight and I remember you said about 'people usually value bet if they have a straight/flush on the river' so I intentionally check my hand and make someone think their overpair is good and pay my check raise off, made an extra 1k+ because of that lol, thanks so much for the video and the advice
Thanks for all your videos, JT. I love them! With this scenario, should SJW GENIUS not go for value (as indicated in your video) - perhaps size up how much will they call if they had the top pair or middle pair? Then again, I can see the other side; where you said that if someone had a straight, flush, or full house, they would bet the river (this same video). So, it's difficult for me to decide how to distinguish which option to take after I've flopped a straight. Do I pass and wait for the "sucker" to bet or should I go for value? I can see a double-edged sword here, which side is sharper, is my question.
Have been watching you for a while now Mr.Little. I will be getting some poker coaching from you in the future, because you have provided sooooo much free info that I have profited from. Appreciate all of it
It's my dream to play for a living. I live in Tampa. I gotta make this happen I just have to work on my discipline more than my skill. Your video help a ton
For the hand at 10:39, I would bet 55 (11BBs, 1/3 pot). I don't want to bet too big because a bunch of straight and flush draws just got there, but I could still get called by a King or a Jack.
Great stuff as always. Loved the info from you and Fitzgerald's in the last couple videos. My cbets were getting a little loose, betting 80% on the flop too often and not enough vs loose/wild regs.
@@PokerCoaching but you said you should fold the K5 since it is unlikely that the opponent is value-betting only a pair of Queens. How did you predict that the opponent is not value-betting a pair of Queens?
How many Qs does have there? Q10, KQ make two pair. QQ beats you. Most players at small stakes would be content to just show down with second pair after getting called twice. Value betting a Q would be pretty ambitious for villain. Maybe villain has AQ, but QJ, Q9 would likely check back. Plus there's not many bluffs on this rainbow board (w/ no flush draws) AJ got there, A10 made a pair and would hope to win at showdown. So while it's possible it's the incorrect play here, but a majority of the time it's not which winning a majority in poker is a good thing. Being results orientated if it turns out you were wrong is not good strategy. I will say if villain is a super loose agro who gets out line a lot, maybe you do call down.
Hi Jonathan, I have learned so much from your videos and continue to look forward to new ones. I have a question about the range charts you use in this and many other videos. You stress the RFI and 3-bet charts most often but can you send me the link to any videos that address the ranges for calling a raise and/or limping behind other limpers? I don’t see those very often, if at all. Thanks again for all the great content.
Hey Larry, if you go to the tools section of Pokercoaching.com, it will show all of the tournament and cash game charts available. I also have exploitative charts for when facing a limp!
Took a couple of weeks off and have been really enjoying the shorter videos. I find having very narrow topics in easy to Digest chunks makes studying more enjoyable. Just booked a win at a casino in Louisiana 600->1654. The limper vid was good too.
Raising to $6 in my local 1-2 game wouldn’t get a single fold behind. $10 from the HJ often gets 3 calls still. I use $12-$15, is this bad in this case?
No because getting them to fold (winning the blinds / limp bets) is a large part of the strategy. You'd just continue to tighten up your ranges because your pot odds on paying $12 preflop are only good on extremely high Expected Value cards like AA, KK, QQ. If you're using charts and not a solver, imagine 3 betting as if you were 2nd to act -- you'd only 3 bet from early positions with extremely strong hands preflop.
Jonathan you have said in the past we really want opponents in when they’re drawing close to dead, but at 16:20 you say that you don’t care if pocket eights folds? How do you differentiate between these two situations? If they foldout 88 we take away their chance to bluff, don’t we?
88 seems like an unlikely hand to bluff. It's never a bad idea to clean up equity rather than have it go check-check. With that said, when your opponent will bluff with this hand type, forsure we want to keep them in!
The problem of playing small stakes with 2.5x or 3x strategy is that basically everyone is calling your raise and as a result you have 4,5,6 opponents after the flop.
that's true and there is a higher chance you will get beat by a terrible hand that wouldnt usually see the flop. but at the end of the day, if you're raising and everyone else calls with their shitty hands, you still are the favorite in terms of % of winning. whilst it won't be high due to having so many players, it's still the highest, and in the long run of your poker game will pay off. idk if i explained that well
I understand the concepts, but I'm really struggling with the over bet example. We have KQo. Board KT6 2 hearts. Pot is 32 and we bet 20 and get called (makes sense we have top pair Q kicker). Turn brings KT67, 2 diamonds 2 hearts. The board is now insanely dynamic SO DRAWS will call, we overbet to exploit all the draws. I still understand this. Now on the river is where I'm struggling with our bet. Board is now KT674 not suited. We now bet 365 into 272. Sort of goes without saying opponent is going to fold a lot here, but what I don't understand is when they call here we are almost always bad. What are the "hero calls" in this player's range, because we just over bet the turn and river? I really don't think K9 or worse is ever calling, so really it's only KJ, JJ and QQ we're beating. Now here are the realistic hands that beat us 66, TT. KT, K7, 67, 64, AK, AA. There can even be random heart draws like 53s, 58s that we lose to 1% of the time to make matters even worse. If we bet 80% pot on the end I can see more J and lower King kicker hands calling and the risk is lower if we get called and are behind. Dunno, just seems weird to me.
I think what he's saying is, the opponent thinks you have a draw and missed on the river. By going all in, you are bluffing, and he's calling with a shit hand to bluffcatch you.
I had the same issue with this tip. The games I play in, i would say 80% of the times opponents call on the river in this scenario, I am beat. Even if I mix in a fair amount of bluffs, I don't see how it is a profitable play in such games. To me, top pair with decent kicker usually doesn't get more than 2 streets of value. So the large turn bet makes up for the lost value on the river. I guess I am saying the K3, K4 that would pay me off just don't exist much.
@@reaganli1254 I agree with this. I’m a fairly new player but even I was questioning this all in play. I feel like if we’re being checked to on the river, we either check this back to ensure any better kicker hands or over pairs don’t get more value, or we choose a bet sizing that can get called by hands we beat, and make that bet with the intent to fold to a large raise, or something like that. Curious your perspective?
@@counterfeit4450 I'm also a beginner. But in this scenario the odds are for you if even slightly. If you check the opponents has more chance to get draw winning hands (2 possible flush, second pair, set, or an Ace). Betting aggressively expands your range in the opponents head, making himself worry about possibly drawing a flush your self, or 2 pairs, pre flop pairs to a set etc...(semi bluff). At least that's how I understand it.
Hey Jonathan, It seems wrong to have a hard limit on your open size of 3.5bb? I come from an online background and understand that 3.5bb is a very big open in itself, but if you’re going multi-way every time using a 3.5x size, (which I would argue you almost always will in these low stakes game unless it’s midday on a weekday) shouldn’t you adjust by tightening your open raise range and increasing your open size accordingly until you start getting heads up somewhat consistently? It’s hard to capitalize on your edge if you’re always going 3 or 4 ways with small open sizes? Great video just curious on your thoughts on this
If you are getting too many callers, your adjustment is not to increase your raise size. All that will do is strengthen the callers calling ranges by folding out the bottom of those ranges with a now bloated pot. They will still 3bet the top of their ranges when you open larger, which simply leads to you leaking chips when that happens. Your adjustment is to tighten up your raising range at the same raise size. Maybe you don't open KTo from the Lojack any more or 65s from the CO or 77 from UTG. All those callers have relatively weak ranges, so go to the flop with the advantage of a stronger range.
@@culu37 this is my question as well. I've played poker for a little over 13 years now. I took break for the last 8 or so years because of school/work but have started going recently to the nearby poker room. Blinds are 2/2 and Bets ranging from 12-15 Dollars Pre-Flop will easily garner 4-5 callers.
I was talking to my friend who plays poker every so often for fun and he said my strategy takes the fun out of poker. I look at poker as my job, I do well and I dont need to get a real job with a boss and listen to people I cant stand...screw that, I do what I want when I want and poker is the reason. It started out as fun and when I realized I can do this and make better money than doctors I started reading poker books on strategy and learning pot odds... I got hooked.
Playing 2/5 in Vegas for my first poker vacation weekend right now. Your tips have been invaluable. Thank you! I know things get mathematically things get more complicated the deeper you get and games here are often 200+bb deep. How would you adjust ranges on each street as SPR gets much larger?
Good luck in Vegas! Overall, the deeper you are, the stronger a hand you need to stack off and the bigger the bet sizes should be so it allows you to get the money all-in! So look to use larger turn and river bets when very deep, and check/raise (stack-off) much tighter than you would add 100bb. Best of luck!
@@PokerCoaching I decided to mix it up and play a tournament today so the deep stack advice wasnt quite as relevant, but I finished 5th for a good cash. It's all going on the table tomorrow! Weeeeee! Thank you again!
I don't understand: On the "Let's Start With Some Fundamentals" screen of this video, he says 3-bet a ton...except in the BTN or BB. But if you look at the poker charts (both 6-Max and 9-Handed) on Little's PokerCoaching website, there are 3-bets spread throughout the BTN and BB positions. So which is it?
On KhTh6d7d (with KsQc) I can see a lot of (my) opponents fold even KJ if I make it 120. And if they call I cannot overbet again (and should not even bet) on the river since at this time they either have KT+ or a missed draw. I agree though that the turn should see a substantial bet - say pot - and the weird part is that I can see even an All-In getting called here by many hands (huge draws, Kx and, of course, two-pair or better) whereas the 120 bet would scare my opponents Kx.
Even though I have not improved by the turn, when he checks I think I he probably has a 1 pair hand or a draw. The front door flush just got there, and he could be slow playing it. I think I want to find out on the (cheaper) turn, not on the river. I want to make his club draw and single king or jack pay. I bet pot. ( I think I would bet 90% of pot in a live game because I could still jam the river and save myself a couple of bucks if I have to fold to an all in.)
Note if you have 3-5 players or more playing this described style at the table you want to play like Helmuth, play coy and set these guys up, let them do the betting for you. I love trapping players who always raise and 3 bet. Its a weakness easy to expose. Ill limp aces and premiums most time early in this game and get paid off all day long. Let yourself get bullied a few times in the small pots and watch them double you up. This lesson is basically 1 gear out of 4 or 5 you should be playing in and out of. Also note that in most cities 1-2, 1-3, 2-5 are the big games...we dont all live in Vegas.
Hello Jonathan. My name is luke hassell and i play poker with your DAD here in pensacola. Tha k you for all you do for the game of poker. Any chance of you coming down here to play with us and your DAD? Super cool if you could, but i understand with kids its hard. Anyway love what you do brother keep it up!
I’m a bit confused. You said to 3 bet a ton but the ranges you showed were really tight for 3-betting. Also why shouldn’t you 3-bet on bb or btn? Was hoping you could explain these to me, but great video. U always have really good info.
@@PokerCoaching I understand that but I thought the button would be a good spot for 3-betting since it is in position. I was wondering mostly why you shouldnt 3-bet when youre on the bb or btn.
The hand with 2 Aces where we value bet on the river with 100, what if the player goes all in with 3 -5 times size the bet ? I faced some similar action last night and it turned out to be a trap. He checked on turn and then checked again on river and had a straight which was way better than my aces. What have you done here if he goes all in or raise 3 times ?
I wonder shouldn’t you open bigger size with premium holdings when you know that table calls 8bb raise pre with wide range? And if hand is most likely to be 5-7 ways if you open 2.5-3x?
Forsure, but the table has to be very oblivious to your strategy for it to work. If people get a sense that when you raise larger, you have a stronger hand, it is not great. Against competent opponents, you want to use the same RFI size with all hands. Against players who won't know the difference, forsure open larger with good hands!
Three bet and never slow play will people draw out on you sometimes but I used to slow play for years and stopped the up side is unbelievable it's crazy what players will call with
Dunno actually whether the given example is good example to apply overbetting strategy. 89gets there already on a Turn, 58 gets there on the River. Am I folding 58hh or 58dd on the Turn? I might consider that, but low stakes players definitely not.
I play 1/3 here in Canada, and max is $500 which everybody buys in for that, and almost every pot here is raised and the winner will win over $200, it’s a hard game as it gets really aggressive
Jonathan, you said we should stick to the 2.5-3bb open size in these small games, but why? If we're playing tight and aggressive, with mostly just good hands, why wouldn't we want to exploit our opponent's willingness to still call with bad and marginal hands by just getting more money in right away?
IMO you do want to raise as much as you can while still getting action with your opening range. 1-2 or 1-3 is a completely different game than 2-5 and bigger. I think his sizing suggestions are irrelevant if you play 1-2. I'm not claiming to know better than Jonathan, but I think these fundamentals that apply to sizing mostly only apply to 2-5 and bigger games. If you're opening to $5-$6 in a 1-2 game, your raises are going to accomplish nothing. The table will essentially view a raise that small as a limp.
If the opponents will be oblivious to raise size, certainly go bigger with strong hands! If they're competent though, they'll likely adjust atleast reasonably against a large RFI size. Using a smaller size allows you to play more hands in general, and really helps you punish weak, tight players.
I'm confused on why you say to 3-bet a ton unless you're on the button or big blind. What's the logic? I would normally think that 3-betting on the Button would be good.
i .struggle with extremely soft tables where everyone just limps with premiums and calls every bets. need to change tables or learn to win these tables
Hmmm if I saw the flush came out I’d be cautious that’s his holding 2 clubs but I’m already in for some value due to the reraise soo I might act like I’ve hit my flush and bet another 35
Betting $45 with KQos, very wet board, want to get value from all the draws, it feels like to me if you over bet with this hand, you are announcing you have a vulnerable best hand to your opponent, you're turning your hand face up, you have K-x
In my games I think betting 100 or 120 on the turn only gets called by sets, all the flush draws calling the $60 would fold to the overbet, and you lose value/own yourself. I do like the jam on the river though. puts KJo in a weird spot, which people play loosely in low stakes
How do you deal with the guys that RFI $15 (in a 1/3 game), and then you 3bet to $45 (3x the raise) for a buy-in of $300, youve already committed nearly 15BB to one hand. By the turn you could easily have nearly a third of your chips in
I'm no pro but look up some more videos. Your bankroll should be expandable money, the value depends on your situation. Set up stop losses, manage your bankroll tightly. In few words, treat poker like a business. And have fun !
Most important advice: don't bluff off in fish, cost me so much money and I can't stop myself from bluffing into very weak range of fish and they call with crap
I find it interesting that you suggest to only open raise to 3.5bb even if that’s not the standard for the game, which usually tends to be about 5bb for the 1/2 games I play and 4bb for 1/3. If I know I’m playing better hands than my loose passive opponents, why wouldn’t I want to raise to the game’s standard amount if I’m still going to get these loose passives to call too wide? I’ll preface this by saying I don’t treat Bart Hanson’s word as gospel… I love the content both of you produce. But in my hundreds of hours of watching his call-in videos, which are always about cash game hands, it’s interesting that he’s never once suggested capping your raising range to 3.5bb if the game’s standard is higher than that. So my question for you is what’s the logic to only raising to 3.5bb if we’re getting plenty of marginal calls using the game’s standard raise?
I’m glad you asked this. The standard opening raise in the 1/2 I play is 5-6bb, 3.5bb ($7!) is “I want enough money in the pot so I can get the high hand bonus” and is rarely taken seriously. $12-$15 gets the riffraff out.
If the players behind will play the same ranges, certainly raise to a larger size. The benefit of raising smaller in general is that you get to play more hands profitably, and force your opponents to defend a wider range. So if you're playing tight players behind, using a smaller size and raising more frequently is much better. Against loose/splashy players who will continue with the same range whether you make it 3.5bb or 5bb, certainly use the larger size with your best hands.
@@RhymesWithCarbon yeah if I raised to $7 in a 1/2 game there’d be 6 to the flop every time. At that point you can really only play face up, as somebody has hit the flop. If it’s not me, it’s somebody else.
@@blakefredrickson6506 In addition to all of the above, I think you need to build bigger pots to beat the rake. The rake also makes limping extra terrible.
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What strategy from this video are you most excited to use at your next live poker cash game?
Overbet and contracting ranges
I always check back this nasty 9c turn hoping to call a river bet. And if they don’t bet the river, I do. You value target the king and go about 1/2 pot.
2nd hand: KQo I usually bet 70-100% pot at this spot, but I know I need more solver work on sizing…
For me it’s a 3 way tie…
first, it’s to make sure I go for value. I have checked back so many rivers where I was pretty sure I was good… and I was. I have left so much money in other peoples stacks because of this leak. I started taking notes at the table to figure out how often I do it … honestly, just the act of writing it down has greatly reduced the frequency of the leak. It helps me be accountable to myself.
Second is over bets. The biggest pot I have ever won was done by over betting. But it’s one of the only time I have ever done it. I need to add it more regularly to my arsenal.
Last is to not slow play. I flopped a king high straight OPP and checked to the raiser (a very fun action player). It checked around. then I checked on the turn hoping the action player would bet. They didn’t and a flush came out on the river…. They flip over 6d2d for the flush. This is honestly a place where I should overbet as that is the only way she would ever fold. It was a Stupid play. But every time I think about slow playing, I think about that hand - and haven’t done it since (6 sessions ago).
3 bet strategy, read your charts thoroughly today
Getting donk jammed into when I have a set of 5s and they have. Aces
"Stop paying people off when you know you're beat" - such intuitively obvious and yet great advice many of us need to internalize.
I actually followed that tip a couple of times last night. It's amazing how a tough but necessary fold or two will turn a potential disastrous losing session into a small, but at least winning, session.
I needed to hear this for I got beat bad last week on my first hand!
Should’ve folded pocket Kings on the Turn, the guy had A8 offsuit & flopped trip 8s
Bro the first one min of the video, the words you chose just pumps me up so much. Thanks for everything you do!
Awesome, glad you liked it :)
just played a hand after watching your video...I rivered a straight and I remember you said about 'people usually value bet if they have a straight/flush on the river' so I intentionally check my hand and make someone think their overpair is good and pay my check raise off, made an extra 1k+ because of that lol, thanks so much for the video and the advice
Awesome :) Great job!
Thanks for all your videos, JT. I love them! With this scenario, should SJW GENIUS not go for value (as indicated in your video) - perhaps size up how much will they call if they had the top pair or middle pair? Then again, I can see the other side; where you said that if someone had a straight, flush, or full house, they would bet the river (this same video). So, it's difficult for me to decide how to distinguish which option to take after I've flopped a straight. Do I pass and wait for the "sucker" to bet or should I go for value? I can see a double-edged sword here, which side is sharper, is my question.
JL is an absolute legend! What he has done to help anybody who wants to learn is immeasurable.
Thanks for the kind words :)
Have been watching you for a while now Mr.Little. I will be getting some poker coaching from you in the future, because you have provided sooooo much free info that I have profited from. Appreciate all of it
I'm so glad to hear that! Good luck in your games!
What videos have you watched that have been helpful for you from Jonathon little
I liked what you said about being in SB and 3 betting, then follow up on flop if called. Then again on turn and large on river.
Thanks for the preflop help ive realized ive been limping in to much with strong hands playing super tight all the time
THAT WAS A HELL OF A LESSON!!! TKS... HELLO FROM BRAZIL
It's my dream to play for a living. I live in Tampa. I gotta make this happen I just have to work on my discipline more than my skill. Your video help a ton
Thanks for this ❤️. I'd love a video on speech play and live reads 🙏.
The great thing is these tips apply to online cash games as well tx a lot LIL JON
Forsure!
For the hand at 10:39, I would bet 55 (11BBs, 1/3 pot). I don't want to bet too big because a bunch of straight and flush draws just got there, but I could still get called by a King or a Jack.
The BEST Poker Mentor !
Thanks J L
Great stuff as always. Loved the info from you and Fitzgerald's in the last couple videos. My cbets were getting a little loose, betting 80% on the flop too often and not enough vs loose/wild regs.
Awesome, glad you're enjoying it!
9:37 may I ask, how do you know that the opponent would not value-bet if his card was a queen?
You never "know".
@@PokerCoaching but you said you should fold the K5 since it is unlikely that the opponent is value-betting only a pair of Queens. How did you predict that the opponent is not value-betting a pair of Queens?
How many Qs does have there? Q10, KQ make two pair. QQ beats you. Most players at small stakes would be content to just show down with second pair after getting called twice. Value betting a Q would be pretty ambitious for villain. Maybe villain has AQ, but QJ, Q9 would likely check back. Plus there's not many bluffs on this rainbow board (w/ no flush draws) AJ got there, A10 made a pair and would hope to win at showdown. So while it's possible it's the incorrect play here, but a majority of the time it's not which winning a majority in poker is a good thing. Being results orientated if it turns out you were wrong is not good strategy. I will say if villain is a super loose agro who gets out line a lot, maybe you do call down.
What do you think about k 2 suited? Is that one you’d play early position or no?
No, see the charts at PokerCoaching.com.
Hi Jonathan, I have learned so much from your videos and continue to look forward to new ones. I have a question about the range charts you use in this and many other videos. You stress the RFI and 3-bet charts most often but can you send me the link to any videos that address the ranges for calling a raise and/or limping behind other limpers? I don’t see those very often, if at all. Thanks again for all the great content.
Hey Larry, if you go to the tools section of Pokercoaching.com, it will show all of the tournament and cash game charts available. I also have exploitative charts for when facing a limp!
Thanks so much Johnathan, after watching your videos I have learned a lot , and now I have more confidence on the table
Awesome video thanks so much Jonathan
Love your coaching thanks for all you do
No problem, so glad you like it!
Took a couple of weeks off and have been really enjoying the shorter videos. I find having very narrow topics in easy to Digest chunks makes studying more enjoyable. Just booked a win at a casino in Louisiana 600->1654. The limper vid was good too.
Great job!
Raising to $6 in my local 1-2 game wouldn’t get a single fold behind. $10 from the HJ often gets 3 calls still. I use $12-$15, is this bad in this case?
No because getting them to fold (winning the blinds / limp bets) is a large part of the strategy. You'd just continue to tighten up your ranges because your pot odds on paying $12 preflop are only good on extremely high Expected Value cards like AA, KK, QQ. If you're using charts and not a solver, imagine 3 betting as if you were 2nd to act -- you'd only 3 bet from early positions with extremely strong hands preflop.
I didn't know you should 3 bet like this you always have good words of encouragement and experience.
Jonathan you have said in the past we really want opponents in when they’re drawing close to dead, but at 16:20 you say that you don’t care if pocket eights folds? How do you differentiate between these two situations? If they foldout 88 we take away their chance to bluff, don’t we?
88 seems like an unlikely hand to bluff. It's never a bad idea to clean up equity rather than have it go check-check. With that said, when your opponent will bluff with this hand type, forsure we want to keep them in!
Hi Jonathan, how well does this strategy apply to live cash online small stakes?
Very well!
Thank you! A very helpful video! Can’t wait to put these into action!
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it! Good luck in your games :)
The problem of playing small stakes with 2.5x or 3x strategy is that basically everyone is calling your raise and as a result you have 4,5,6 opponents after the flop.
Adjust by increasing your bet size, especially if they don't three bet enough.
that's true and there is a higher chance you will get beat by a terrible hand that wouldnt usually see the flop. but at the end of the day, if you're raising and everyone else calls with their shitty hands, you still are the favorite in terms of % of winning. whilst it won't be high due to having so many players, it's still the highest, and in the long run of your poker game will pay off. idk if i explained that well
This is my experience, too; either everyone calls or everyone folds lol
you need to move up in stakes where they will respect your raises imo
@@Chino-bk9fd 🤣🤣 you might as well say "you need to move up in stakes to where you have far less EV"
I understand the concepts, but I'm really struggling with the over bet example. We have KQo. Board KT6 2 hearts. Pot is 32 and we bet 20 and get called (makes sense we have top pair Q kicker). Turn brings KT67, 2 diamonds 2 hearts.
The board is now insanely dynamic SO DRAWS will call, we overbet to exploit all the draws. I still understand this.
Now on the river is where I'm struggling with our bet. Board is now KT674 not suited. We now bet 365 into 272. Sort of goes without saying opponent is going to fold a lot here, but what I don't understand is when they call here we are almost always bad. What are the "hero calls" in this player's range, because we just over bet the turn and river?
I really don't think K9 or worse is ever calling, so really it's only KJ, JJ and QQ we're beating. Now here are the realistic hands that beat us 66, TT. KT, K7, 67, 64, AK, AA. There can even be random heart draws like 53s, 58s that we lose to 1% of the time to make matters even worse.
If we bet 80% pot on the end I can see more J and lower King kicker hands calling and the risk is lower if we get called and are behind. Dunno, just seems weird to me.
I think what he's saying is, the opponent thinks you have a draw and missed on the river. By going all in, you are bluffing, and he's calling with a shit hand to bluffcatch you.
I had the same issue with this tip. The games I play in, i would say 80% of the times opponents call on the river in this scenario, I am beat. Even if I mix in a fair amount of bluffs, I don't see how it is a profitable play in such games.
To me, top pair with decent kicker usually doesn't get more than 2 streets of value. So the large turn bet makes up for the lost value on the river. I guess I am saying the K3, K4 that would pay me off just don't exist much.
@@reaganli1254 I agree with this. I’m a fairly new player but even I was questioning this all in play.
I feel like if we’re being checked to on the river, we either check this back to ensure any better kicker hands or over pairs don’t get more value, or we choose a bet sizing that can get called by hands we beat, and make that bet with the intent to fold to a large raise, or something like that.
Curious your perspective?
@@counterfeit4450 I'm also a beginner. But in this scenario the odds are for you if even slightly. If you check the opponents has more chance to get draw winning hands (2 possible flush, second pair, set, or an Ace). Betting aggressively expands your range in the opponents head, making himself worry about possibly drawing a flush your self, or 2 pairs, pre flop pairs to a set etc...(semi bluff). At least that's how I understand it.
I’m completely in agreement that limping in with 96 offsuit is a bad play. However, I must say I consider 69o a nice hand and a great limp
You are an excellent poker teacher.
Thank you! 😃
Hey Jonathan,
It seems wrong to have a hard limit on your open size of 3.5bb?
I come from an online background and understand that 3.5bb is a very big open in itself, but if you’re going multi-way every time using a 3.5x size, (which I would argue you almost always will in these low stakes game unless it’s midday on a weekday) shouldn’t you adjust by tightening your open raise range and increasing your open size accordingly until you start getting heads up somewhat consistently? It’s hard to capitalize on your edge if you’re always going 3 or 4 ways with small open sizes?
Great video just curious on your thoughts on this
You should of course raise larger as the pot is larger before the action gets to you either because of limpers or additional money in the pot.
If you are getting too many callers, your adjustment is not to increase your raise size. All that will do is strengthen the callers calling ranges by folding out the bottom of those ranges with a now bloated pot. They will still 3bet the top of their ranges when you open larger, which simply leads to you leaking chips when that happens.
Your adjustment is to tighten up your raising range at the same raise size. Maybe you don't open KTo from the Lojack any more or 65s from the CO or 77 from UTG. All those callers have relatively weak ranges, so go to the flop with the advantage of a stronger range.
@@jasonfullerton7763 bruh not even
@@culu37 this is my question as well. I've played poker for a little over 13 years now. I took break for the last 8 or so years because of school/work but have started going recently to the nearby poker room. Blinds are 2/2 and Bets ranging from 12-15 Dollars Pre-Flop will easily garner 4-5 callers.
I was talking to my friend who plays poker every so often for fun and he said my strategy takes the fun out of poker. I look at poker as my job, I do well and I dont need to get a real job with a boss and listen to people I cant stand...screw that, I do what I want when I want and poker is the reason. It started out as fun and when I realized I can do this and make better money than doctors I started reading poker books on strategy and learning pot odds... I got hooked.
Sometimes the best play is not the most "fun" play.
This was one of the better videos I have seen from you
AA hand - bet 80 and checking the river no matter what comes (folding any raises)
@jonathan little Link to this specific range chart?
Thanks for all your help sir!
My pleasure!
Playing 2/5 in Vegas for my first poker vacation weekend right now. Your tips have been invaluable. Thank you!
I know things get mathematically things get more complicated the deeper you get and games here are often 200+bb deep. How would you adjust ranges on each street as SPR gets much larger?
Good luck in Vegas! Overall, the deeper you are, the stronger a hand you need to stack off and the bigger the bet sizes should be so it allows you to get the money all-in! So look to use larger turn and river bets when very deep, and check/raise (stack-off) much tighter than you would add 100bb. Best of luck!
@@PokerCoaching I decided to mix it up and play a tournament today so the deep stack advice wasnt quite as relevant, but I finished 5th for a good cash. It's all going on the table tomorrow! Weeeeee! Thank you again!
@@christopherebsch3766 How did you do at the tables? Been thinking about making a Vegas trip to play poker. Thanks!
I don't understand: On the "Let's Start With Some Fundamentals" screen of this video, he says 3-bet a ton...except in the BTN or BB. But if you look at the poker charts (both 6-Max and 9-Handed) on Little's PokerCoaching website, there are 3-bets spread throughout the BTN and BB positions. So which is it?
On KhTh6d7d (with KsQc) I can see a lot of (my) opponents fold even KJ if I make it 120. And if they call I cannot overbet again (and should not even bet) on the river since at this time they either have KT+ or a missed draw.
I agree though that the turn should see a substantial bet - say pot - and the weird part is that I can see even an All-In getting called here by many hands (huge draws, Kx and, of course, two-pair or better) whereas the 120 bet would scare my opponents Kx.
What software are you using to generate these GTO charts?
MonkerSolver.
Even though I have not improved by the turn, when he checks I think I he probably has a 1 pair hand or a draw. The front door flush just got there, and he could be slow playing it. I think I want to find out on the (cheaper) turn, not on the river. I want to make his club draw and single king or jack pay. I bet pot. ( I think I would bet 90% of pot in a live game because I could still jam the river and save myself a couple of bucks if I have to fold to an all in.)
13:52 Check
14:00 I'd bet 60 but it may be an overbet spot.
why does A6 fold when A5 and A7 call/raise?
Thanks man.
What range are you putting the LJ on when you have KQ by the time you start overbetting?
Note if you have 3-5 players or more playing this described style at the table you want to play like Helmuth, play coy and set these guys up, let them do the betting for you. I love trapping players who always raise and 3 bet. Its a weakness easy to expose. Ill limp aces and premiums most time early in this game and get paid off all day long. Let yourself get bullied a few times in the small pots and watch them double you up. This lesson is basically 1 gear out of 4 or 5 you should be playing in and out of. Also note that in most cities 1-2, 1-3, 2-5 are the big games...we dont all live in Vegas.
Why not 3bet if BB or button? cuz I close action?
Great video, thank you very much.
Hello Jonathan. My name is luke hassell and i play poker with your DAD here in pensacola. Tha k you for all you do for the game of poker. Any chance of you coming down here to play with us and your DAD? Super cool if you could, but i understand with kids its hard. Anyway love what you do brother keep it up!
Thanks!
I’m a bit confused. You said to 3 bet a ton but the ranges you showed were really tight for 3-betting. Also why shouldn’t you 3-bet on bb or btn? Was hoping you could explain these to me, but great video. U always have really good info.
Position is valuable, as is closing the action. You don't want to mess that up.
@@PokerCoaching I understand that but I thought the button would be a good spot for 3-betting since it is in position. I was wondering mostly why you shouldnt 3-bet when youre on the bb or btn.
Hi Jonathan. Do you think we should take our bluffs out of the equation in cash games or we should use them as in tournaments.
Bluffs are an essential part of the game. Gotta throw them in the mix otherwise your too predictable
in my games the standard raise preflop is like 10-15 big blinds so vetting 3.5 is basically a limp what should i do?
The hand with 2 Aces where we value bet on the river with 100, what if the player goes all in with 3 -5 times size the bet ? I faced some similar action last night and it turned out to be a trap. He checked on turn and then checked again on river and had a straight which was way better than my aces. What have you done here if he goes all in or raise 3 times ?
Thank you
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Why is it not recommended to 3-bet pre-flop if your are on the button?
i play with no rake in dallas tch, good tips
I would check against a dynamic/aggressive player (not wanting to get x/r), and bet $80 vs a straight forward/more passive player.
I wonder shouldn’t you open bigger size with premium holdings when you know that table calls 8bb raise pre with wide range? And if hand is most likely to be 5-7 ways if you open 2.5-3x?
Forsure, but the table has to be very oblivious to your strategy for it to work. If people get a sense that when you raise larger, you have a stronger hand, it is not great. Against competent opponents, you want to use the same RFI size with all hands. Against players who won't know the difference, forsure open larger with good hands!
Either check turn and value bet river, or bet less than half pot turn and fold to raise
super helpful video
I would have checked withAA for pot control because with Q10 possible straight
Three bet and never slow play will people draw out on you sometimes but I used to slow play for years and stopped the up side is unbelievable it's crazy what players will call with
great vid
Thanks!
Just gold!!!! 💯
I'm glad you liked it!
I agree you should almost always raise when you have strong hand
Dunno actually whether the given example is good example to apply overbetting strategy. 89gets there already on a Turn, 58 gets there on the River. Am I folding 58hh or 58dd on the Turn? I might consider that, but low stakes players definitely not.
If they have these hands though, it means they also very likely have way more offsuit Kx that will call the jam as well.
KQ hand bet full pot checking the river no matter what comes (folding any raises)
K5s from the LJ to me is absolutely insane, of course I won't argue but wow
I play 1/3 here in Canada, and max is $500 which everybody buys in for that, and almost every pot here is raised and the winner will win over $200, it’s a hard game as it gets really aggressive
Jonathan, you said we should stick to the 2.5-3bb open size in these small games, but why? If we're playing tight and aggressive, with mostly just good hands, why wouldn't we want to exploit our opponent's willingness to still call with bad and marginal hands by just getting more money in right away?
IMO you do want to raise as much as you can while still getting action with your opening range. 1-2 or 1-3 is a completely different game than 2-5 and bigger. I think his sizing suggestions are irrelevant if you play 1-2. I'm not claiming to know better than Jonathan, but I think these fundamentals that apply to sizing mostly only apply to 2-5 and bigger games. If you're opening to $5-$6 in a 1-2 game, your raises are going to accomplish nothing. The table will essentially view a raise that small as a limp.
If the opponents will be oblivious to raise size, certainly go bigger with strong hands! If they're competent though, they'll likely adjust atleast reasonably against a large RFI size. Using a smaller size allows you to play more hands in general, and really helps you punish weak, tight players.
i play 1/3 live and the opening sizes are so large minimum 12 or 4bb or the whole table calls even $20 will get 2-3 callers
What is the T?
What do you consider small stakes? I play $1 $2 and $1 $3 and most of the time the initial raise is 5 to 6x BB. My 3 bet would need to be very large.
Yep!
Overbet-- the second flush draw makes it too scarry for them to see the river cheap
Thanks you
I'm confused on why you say to 3-bet a ton unless you're on the button or big blind. What's the logic? I would normally think that 3-betting on the Button would be good.
What missed draw is finding a hero call on your KQ jam?
The missed draws won't find he hero call, but because we could have a missed draw, it leads to more hero calls in general.
I'm a premium member! Love it, thanks for all the content!!
So glad you like it :)
i .struggle with extremely soft tables where everyone just limps with premiums and calls every bets. need to change tables or learn to win these tables
Hmmm if I saw the flush came out I’d be cautious that’s his holding 2 clubs but I’m already in for some value due to the reraise soo I might act like I’ve hit my flush and bet another 35
Betting $45 with KQos, very wet board, want to get value from all the draws, it feels like to me if you over bet with this hand, you are announcing you have a vulnerable best hand to your opponent, you're turning your hand face up, you have K-x
In my games I think betting 100 or 120 on the turn only gets called by sets, all the flush draws calling the $60 would fold to the overbet, and you lose value/own yourself. I do like the jam on the river though. puts KJo in a weird spot, which people play loosely in low stakes
You have found a great spot to bluff then
How do you deal with the guys that RFI $15 (in a 1/3 game), and then you 3bet to $45 (3x the raise) for a buy-in of $300, youve already committed nearly 15BB to one hand. By the turn you could easily have nearly a third of your chips in
Why not 3 bet on the button or BB?
Betting $80-120 with the AA's, want to get value, don't want to chase away straight draws and flush draws
I'm not a pro by no means but want to become one. how do i do that?
I'm no pro but look up some more videos. Your bankroll should be expandable money, the value depends on your situation. Set up stop losses, manage your bankroll tightly. In few words, treat poker like a business. And have fun !
@@maui_lou ty
Straight draw on quiz 2? Isn’t there?
I'd bet strong, 180+, to protect my hand, is that the correct play?
Overbet to maybe $90, force out draws and maybe make a weaker or stronger king to fold
Most important advice: don't bluff off in fish, cost me so much money and I can't stop myself from bluffing into very weak range of fish and they call with crap
Check
more thanks a lot
bet $80. But be on yellow alert if you even get called, flush and straight danger, also two pair, and sets.
Is overbet double flush
What is your worse tips?
Johnathon Little is the truth 💯
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I find it interesting that you suggest to only open raise to 3.5bb even if that’s not the standard for the game, which usually tends to be about 5bb for the 1/2 games I play and 4bb for 1/3. If I know I’m playing better hands than my loose passive opponents, why wouldn’t I want to raise to the game’s standard amount if I’m still going to get these loose passives to call too wide?
I’ll preface this by saying I don’t treat Bart Hanson’s word as gospel… I love the content both of you produce. But in my hundreds of hours of watching his call-in videos, which are always about cash game hands, it’s interesting that he’s never once suggested capping your raising range to 3.5bb if the game’s standard is higher than that.
So my question for you is what’s the logic to only raising to 3.5bb if we’re getting plenty of marginal calls using the game’s standard raise?
I’m glad you asked this. The standard opening raise in the 1/2 I play is 5-6bb, 3.5bb ($7!) is “I want enough money in the pot so I can get the high hand bonus” and is rarely taken seriously. $12-$15 gets the riffraff out.
If the players behind will play the same ranges, certainly raise to a larger size. The benefit of raising smaller in general is that you get to play more hands profitably, and force your opponents to defend a wider range. So if you're playing tight players behind, using a smaller size and raising more frequently is much better.
Against loose/splashy players who will continue with the same range whether you make it 3.5bb or 5bb, certainly use the larger size with your best hands.
@@PokerCoaching thanks Jonathan. Appreciate that you always reply to my questions.
@@RhymesWithCarbon yeah if I raised to $7 in a 1/2 game there’d be 6 to the flop every time. At that point you can really only play face up, as somebody has hit the flop. If it’s not me, it’s somebody else.
@@blakefredrickson6506 In addition to all of the above, I think you need to build bigger pots to beat the rake. The rake also makes limping extra terrible.