Honestly, it's comical how obvious Chao Garden would be as an inclusion. Izuka literally said his favourite game was Sonic Adventure 2, and how Frontiers was inspired by it in interviews. And as you shown in the clip, he is well aware of how heavily-requested it is. Even from a business standpoint, Sega is really banking on Frontier's success. Thus, you'd think they would include said heavily-requested feature to convince fans to buy the damn game!
The fact you again can only play as Sonic and there's no Chao Garden. in Sonic Frontiers, checks off both of my flags I've stated to others, that if Frontiers does not include either of those two things, I probably won't buy the game. I want to have the Chao Garden return, and I want to play as also someone who's not Sonic, in a Sonic game. Lately these two absent things have been a negative staple of modern Sonic games as of late. And before anyone replying to this comment of mine, tries to argue with me, by them talking about Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces, Sonic Mania isn't a SEGA-made Sonic game, SEGA only allowed the devs of it to sell it as a real Sonic game. And Sonic Forces' "Avatar" character does not count. They're merely the player's self-insert into the game, while the other two playable characters are both Sonic. Modern and Classic. Honestly, I feel the only reason Classic Sonic is being inserted in modern Sonic games lately, is just SEGA trying to appeal to the "Classic Sonic Purists" who hates any Sonic game that is not from the Classic 16-bit era. To me, those kinds of "fans", are the Pokemon Genwunners of the Sonic fanbase, who are also infamous for bad-mouthing any game not from it's 2D retro era that started the franchise
@@t-bird6853 Yeah, but his campaign was extremely short compared to even the Forces main campaign. Plus, if you play as Shadow, he acts as more of a reskin of Modern Sonic. Nothing original. I get SA2's Shadow functioned similarly to Sonic, but he wasn't a mere reskin, as he lacked access to some of Sonic's upgrades. And, you couldn't simply insert him into any of Sonic's stages (unless you mod the game to allow any character on any stage), he had his own stages. I'm not a die-hard Shadow fan, but he at least offered some differences to Sonic in the games he was playable in. Which are not many. Shadow in Sonic Forces' campaign is extremely short, and offers nothing great to follow up regarding him to completing Episode Shadow. All we got from Episode Shadow, is that it's all Shadow's fault "Infinite" became what he was as a villain. There isn't even any unlockables in Episode Shadow, so there's no point in even downloading the DLC (which is free if I remember right) unless you want to see the rather short prequel story to Forces. Speaking of Sonic Forces, "the Avatar" clearly has some backstory with Infinite and/or the Phantom Ruby, as the game implies such, but never explains any details of that. Don't get me wrong, I like a ton of Sonic games the majority of the fanbase hates. But I cannot deny Forces had so much it could've done with it's characters and story, that was wasted by not making full use of that. We need someone who was a gamer first beforehand, to join SEGA to work on Sonic games as one in control who has at least abit of say in how a game is made. That worked great for Nintendo with Reggie (before he retired; twice) , SEGA could benefit so much from a person like that. As, someone who was a gamer first before joining a large videogame company, has some valuable insight on what gamers of their fandom actually wants. Like, a SA2 fan to join SEGA, and had some control over the next game, could mean we'd finally see a return of the Chao Garden, at least for 1 game, as a good chunk of SA2 fans, love it for how it expanded upon the Chao Garden A-LIFE mechanics that SA1 already had made. Myself included. The team behind Frontiers even knows Chao Garden is one of the most requested features to return in a Sonic game, but yet, still pushes on without it, like they simply don't care what their fans really want. Makes no business sense. That is something Nintendo would do (as seen with some games where they ignore all of the fan feedback like they simply don't care about what we want), not SEGA. SEGA is supposed to be different than Nintendo, in that they respect their fans. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Nintendo too, but since Iwata passed away and Reggie left Nintendo, Nintendo has not been as good as they once were....
At this point, I can only assume that there's some personal drama involving the main people behind the chao garden and someone high up at SEGA is nursing a two decade long grudge.
The worst part is that Iizuka _knows_ we want the Chao Garden, but he's just ignoring us, because he doesn't care, and because adding a Chao Garden would require effort. I do want the Chao Garden back, but I highly doubt that's ever going to happen.
Tbh, I never really liked the Chao garden. In fact I kinda dislike them cos they're such a time sink to get all the emblems and are at odds with the rest of the game. However, I still think they should be in the game. It adds replay value, gives rings a purpose and people like em so...might as well.
I've been a Sonic fan since pre-Adventure and quite honestly, I never got into the Chao garden. It's kind of weird that I didn't because I was also into Tamagotchi at the time. However, I will say that even though I don't care for it, it is 100% a no-brainer feature and it would be an easy win for SEGA. While I couldn't care any less about it, I still acknowledge that it should be essential, simply because it is a great feature that a lot of people love. Plus the Chao is an awesome character design. It's yet another example of SEGA having absolutely no clue when they strike gold.
I think they just exclude it as it's incredibly complicated and QA probably hated it. It mostly involves just waiting and seeing if it gave what it's supposed to. Even still in Adventure there were still bugs with it as they never considered the idea of breading a jewel and shiny chao together.
Well, I’m all for seeing what a buzzed Chao looks like, because it’s probably cute to some extent. But let’s look at the appearance of the mystery bottle that ‘severely affects Chao lifespans’. It has two bones on either side of a chao head, which itself has X eyes. The label is black and gold, but primarily black. And the insane-looking Chao Doctor has a somewhat similar bottle on their table. It’s cyanide. It’s more than likely the Chao equivalent of cyanide, or another deadly toxin. Now Chao can reincarnate, so this is probably in place to induce the process immediately instead of waiting for the game to cycle to that phase. But come on. The devs added a toggle to give Chao the option to drown themselves.
Agree, I had alot of fun with the Chao Garden in SA2, I've been taking care of my Chao for many days. Starting Chao races, and Chao Karate, and attacking G. U. N Robots to power my Chao even more. There are even Chao based of, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, etc. So, the Chao Garden is really fun, and kinda needs to come back more.
The biggest thing I need from a chao garden is improvement since SA2B on the GameCube. SA1 DC introduced the core mechanics, and SA2 DC added alignments SA2B took it into overdrive and added all the wacky stuff we all cram into our brains today, and SADX? Just kinda copy pasted it with a few adjustments to get around what SADX didn't have. I need more power, I need more info to cram into my Sonic Centralized brain, please SEGA make an advancement while we're here... but more importantly yeah I want my Chao back plz :)))
If there had been a chao garden in Shadow's game, then there could've been an option to choose whether to go in with another character, and that could determine Shadow's alignment when raising chao. Imagine Shadow petting a chao while Doom's Eye floats next to him, then the chao becomes a dark chao lol Edit: Actually, thinking about it, there really should've been an option to play Shadow the Hedgehog as other characters after you beat the game
I'm shocked that it's not an app yet, honestly. It's a perfect candidate. Considering that its not necessary to do in SA1 or 2, I still replayed levels in both games a lot for rings and such to take care of my Chao. I don't see why it would be hard to just put it in somewhere. If they just chucked the Chao garden from SA2B I would be fine; it's an optional little thing and if you don't want it, you don't have to play it. I'm sad that it was a confirmed "NO"; I think it would have been a great addition to find in the open world. If I was running through Sonic Frontiers and stumbled on a hidden little Chao garden I would give the game 10/10 on the spot, LOL.
You make some great points I currently have a vanilla sa2 save ony ps3 where I'm trying to turn a hero chao named zippy, into a chaos chao, he's already reincarnated once as a hero/run/run and this life as he's nearing the 2nd one he's a hero/run/fly and i can't wait, another hero chao named chaoko is nearing her first reincarnation too at 3 yrs old and is a hero/fly/fly, and a dark chao named aeon is a dark/run/run and is already 2 years old. I really wish they brought it back and expanded it. Things like this make the garden so fun to mess around in
Tbh, I'm still not convinced there won't be a Chao Garden in Frontiers until it finally comes out I've felt this way since the first time they denied it. Idk why, just a premonition
The Chao Garden is unique. I tried searching around for pet simulators similar to it and I can't find anything really similar to it. There is an upcoming game called Loddlenauts that was inspired by chao garden but other then that, I can't find another game where you can raise a pet and enter them in contests and watch them try and beat the contests judging by how much stats you give them. This is why we beg for more chao!
The Chao had been put in the background for a time (mostly after Sonic Adventure 2) though it would be awesome to see them return with a modern spin to them. I would literally be ecstatic if I get to bring them along on levels and such as they help out the character and the likes. Maybe help out with finding new things in a level or something because honestly, I would like to do more than just being a Garden for as relaxing as it is.
At least Izuka outright deconfirmed that the Chao's aren't going to be in Frontiers, instead of getting everyone's hopes up for nothing. Once again, if Sega doesn't bring them back, the fans will do it better
From challenges in Generations to the way levels were done in Colours, they are always trying to extend the playtime of Sonic games while keeping the main "going fast" gameplay. So I don't understand why they didn't bring back a feature that ties in with the main gameplay, encourages replaying levels, and so significantly extended play time. Of course the open world formula of Frontiers looks to be another way of extending play time that might work but still.
If Sonic Team is worried about making the Chao Garden make sense in a game, make it a standalone game! Chao Garden would make for an excellent mobile game tbh, with minigames to collect animals and coins, and limited events with special cosmetics! Ideally, it’d be available on Steam, Console, and Mobile with transferable saves. They could have fun with the minigames by giving each character a unique minigame! Mean Bean Machine, Blue Spheres, Fishing with Big, a Rush style minigame, etc!
So why does sega not put chao gardens in their games anymore? My guess is, for the same reason nintendo doesn't make f-zero games: they don't have any ideas on how to make it unique, and not just more of the same. But get this: it's been 20 years! You can make it just the same as the SA2B chao garden, and I would love it even without any plot justification.
I don't think there was a plot in the original either. It was really just a weird little thing that was there. It isn't mentioned at all in the actual game outside of omochao telling you to collect things for the chao garden.
I've lately, been getting a graphical glitch in the Chao Garden in Sonic Adventure 2 PC version. Sometimes the "nuts" (as Omochao calls them) in the regular Chao Garden, for me, will glitch-up and incorrectly apply the texture of the ground of the neutral Chao Garden, instead of the basic orange texture it's meant to have applied to it. To be honest, I had to jump through some hoops to get SA2 to even run on my computer's hardware at all in a playable state without crashing
Personally the reason I was bored is because it took ages to grind and to grind I only played radical highway for some reason and I wanted to get every character chao
To your point about Chao leaving levels it could be like Elfs in Megaman Zero. Where you could raise chao to have the heal you, damage increase, speed boost, etc. I think it's a solid idea I'd be fun to have it in games and they could help more chao or collectible or something like that
Truth be told, near the end of the Dark story I had enough of waiting for those mutant babies to wake up so I could force batteries down their throats, so I eventually stopped going there until the postgame.
I honestly never had that much interest in the Chao Garden aside from a bit of time playing the GBA one in Sonic Advance. However, knowing how much people love the Hevk out of it, I gladly support the movement to bring it back.
At this point they just need to make a game thats just sonic chao garden it will definitely sell. I'll take a mobile game at this point im desperate. I only bought SA2 for the Extended mod
Seems to me like they're saving the chao garden for Adventure 3, which is a bummer but would be a nice way to tie all three games together and distinguish them as the Adventure trilogy.
I believe that sonic team is not listening because they want to work on whatever they want because they don't care about pleasing all types of fans anymore
The way I see it, SEGA has catered to the Classic Sonic portion of the fandom by incorporating the classic 2D gameplay with Mania, Generations, and Forces (albeit poorly for the latter). Their nostalgic portion of the fandom has been satisfied and fulfilled. Then the Meta era nostalgics have been satisfied by the repeated incorporation of the stupid Wisps. Now it is the Adventure generation’s turn to have our nostalgia fulfilled. SEGA teases us with art and plushies and the like, but where are our nods in the new games? They have explicitly acknowledged that we want our Chao Garden back. They know we want Adventure 3 and ports of SA1 and SA2B onto newer consoles. With the retro market being as it is, you can tell it’s the generation that grew up with N64, Dreamcast, and GameCube games that are really nostalgic and pining for our childhoods to be acknowledged by our favorite gaming companies. At least Nintendo is trying by incorporating N64 into their online service. But SEGA is doing nothing beyond allowing their Genesis and Mega Drive console games to be ported. Some of the games are already so easy to find on modern hardware, so what’s the point? You can only find SA1 and SA2B on Steam. No modern consoles. You can barely find Sonic Heroes beyond the GameCube and PlayStation 2 versions, though the PC one exists and is said to be difficult to run on modern computers without emulation. Where are these games today? They’re nowhere to be found on modern hardware, despite the outcry from our side of the fandom. Even newer fans want to play these games, but with the economic crisis and how expensive some of our generation’s consoles are, they can only watch UA-cam Let’s Plays, Twitch streams, or emulate (so long as they know how). It’s so sad that we have virtually been abandoned by SEGA, and they know we’re out there, holding on to the hope that we will one day see our generation’s games being ported to modern consoles. My hope is that Frontiers sells well and is praised by both critics and fans. If that happens, maybe SEGA will feel confident enough to release Sonic Adventure 3. However, it’s hard to market a third entry in a series without its prior games being playable. I hope that ports or complete remasters of SA1 and SA2B will be released prior to Adventure 3. Maybe SEGA will take inspiration from Chao World Extended’s expansive mod, maybe collaborate with the modders themselves. That would be absolutely incredible. Maybe someday we’ll see the Chao Garden return, but SEGA would need to find a way to not butcher it…
Every fucking sonic game. I pick up to replay has to have a have chao garden. The gba one to the adverture battle 2. It sucks that having cute blue babies help me feel things besides my father's disappointment.
I firmly believe SEGA isn't willing to put in actual work, They're lazy and have made idiotic decisions since the days of the Dreamcast. That's why they're no longer major players in the gaming space! Honestly SEGA would probably do better if the entire company's staff got fired and a whole new team was hired. AT THIS POINT, IT CAN'T HURT THE BRAND NAME ANYMORE THAN THEY HAVE DONE THEMSELVES!
As far as I'm concerned, I do. I would legit buy the next Sonic game AT LAUNCH if it would have a Chao Garden. I even loved watching the Tims do pointless crap in Balan Wonderworld. I WANT MOAR OF THAT.
I tried to play the chao garden, I really tried, but it's overrated, and boring. Any game about raising animals, creatures, or even chao, is very boring.
Honestly, it's comical how obvious Chao Garden would be as an inclusion. Izuka literally said his favourite game was Sonic Adventure 2, and how Frontiers was inspired by it in interviews. And as you shown in the clip, he is well aware of how heavily-requested it is. Even from a business standpoint, Sega is really banking on Frontier's success. Thus, you'd think they would include said heavily-requested feature to convince fans to buy the damn game!
Adventure *2**
Maybe they're testing to see if fans will buy it even without the chao garden. I think they've done that enough times, though.
The fact you again can only play as Sonic and there's no Chao Garden. in Sonic Frontiers, checks off both of my flags I've stated to others, that if Frontiers does not include either of those two things, I probably won't buy the game. I want to have the Chao Garden return, and I want to play as also someone who's not Sonic, in a Sonic game. Lately these two absent things have been a negative staple of modern Sonic games as of late. And before anyone replying to this comment of mine, tries to argue with me, by them talking about Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces, Sonic Mania isn't a SEGA-made Sonic game, SEGA only allowed the devs of it to sell it as a real Sonic game. And Sonic Forces' "Avatar" character does not count. They're merely the player's self-insert into the game, while the other two playable characters are both Sonic. Modern and Classic. Honestly, I feel the only reason Classic Sonic is being inserted in modern Sonic games lately, is just SEGA trying to appeal to the "Classic Sonic Purists" who hates any Sonic game that is not from the Classic 16-bit era. To me, those kinds of "fans", are the Pokemon Genwunners of the Sonic fanbase, who are also infamous for bad-mouthing any game not from it's 2D retro era that started the franchise
@@zigazav1 Sonic Forces also had Shadow as a playable character.
@@t-bird6853 Yeah, but his campaign was extremely short compared to even the Forces main campaign. Plus, if you play as Shadow, he acts as more of a reskin of Modern Sonic. Nothing original. I get SA2's Shadow functioned similarly to Sonic, but he wasn't a mere reskin, as he lacked access to some of Sonic's upgrades. And, you couldn't simply insert him into any of Sonic's stages (unless you mod the game to allow any character on any stage), he had his own stages. I'm not a die-hard Shadow fan, but he at least offered some differences to Sonic in the games he was playable in. Which are not many. Shadow in Sonic Forces' campaign is extremely short, and offers nothing great to follow up regarding him to completing Episode Shadow. All we got from Episode Shadow, is that it's all Shadow's fault "Infinite" became what he was as a villain. There isn't even any unlockables in Episode Shadow, so there's no point in even downloading the DLC (which is free if I remember right) unless you want to see the rather short prequel story to Forces. Speaking of Sonic Forces, "the Avatar" clearly has some backstory with Infinite and/or the Phantom Ruby, as the game implies such, but never explains any details of that. Don't get me wrong, I like a ton of Sonic games the majority of the fanbase hates. But I cannot deny Forces had so much it could've done with it's characters and story, that was wasted by not making full use of that. We need someone who was a gamer first beforehand, to join SEGA to work on Sonic games as one in control who has at least abit of say in how a game is made. That worked great for Nintendo with Reggie (before he retired; twice) , SEGA could benefit so much from a person like that. As, someone who was a gamer first before joining a large videogame company, has some valuable insight on what gamers of their fandom actually wants. Like, a SA2 fan to join SEGA, and had some control over the next game, could mean we'd finally see a return of the Chao Garden, at least for 1 game, as a good chunk of SA2 fans, love it for how it expanded upon the Chao Garden A-LIFE mechanics that SA1 already had made. Myself included. The team behind Frontiers even knows Chao Garden is one of the most requested features to return in a Sonic game, but yet, still pushes on without it, like they simply don't care what their fans really want. Makes no business sense. That is something Nintendo would do (as seen with some games where they ignore all of the fan feedback like they simply don't care about what we want), not SEGA. SEGA is supposed to be different than Nintendo, in that they respect their fans. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Nintendo too, but since Iwata passed away and Reggie left Nintendo, Nintendo has not been as good as they once were....
At this point, I can only assume that there's some personal drama involving the main people behind the chao garden and someone high up at SEGA is nursing a two decade long grudge.
Knights into dreams might have to do with it
Along with a Two decade long grudge against Shadow’s characterization
And a terrible grudge against having momentum based modern games, unless they're made by fans... apparently.
The worst part is that Iizuka _knows_ we want the Chao Garden, but he's just ignoring us, because he doesn't care, and because adding a Chao Garden would require effort. I do want the Chao Garden back, but I highly doubt that's ever going to happen.
Tbh, I never really liked the Chao garden. In fact I kinda dislike them cos they're such a time sink to get all the emblems and are at odds with the rest of the game.
However, I still think they should be in the game. It adds replay value, gives rings a purpose and people like em so...might as well.
this.
Just remove the Sonic Emblems and add Chao Emblems. It's that easy!
How the hell could you have never liked The Chao Garden in Sonic Adventure 2?
I've been a Sonic fan since pre-Adventure and quite honestly, I never got into the Chao garden. It's kind of weird that I didn't because I was also into Tamagotchi at the time. However, I will say that even though I don't care for it, it is 100% a no-brainer feature and it would be an easy win for SEGA. While I couldn't care any less about it, I still acknowledge that it should be essential, simply because it is a great feature that a lot of people love. Plus the Chao is an awesome character design. It's yet another example of SEGA having absolutely no clue when they strike gold.
I think they just exclude it as it's incredibly complicated and QA probably hated it. It mostly involves just waiting and seeing if it gave what it's supposed to. Even still in Adventure there were still bugs with it as they never considered the idea of breading a jewel and shiny chao together.
Alternate Title: The chao garden, Sonic's inexplicably absent golden goose.
Well, I’m all for seeing what a buzzed Chao looks like, because it’s probably cute to some extent. But let’s look at the appearance of the mystery bottle that ‘severely affects Chao lifespans’. It has two bones on either side of a chao head, which itself has X eyes. The label is black and gold, but primarily black. And the insane-looking Chao Doctor has a somewhat similar bottle on their table. It’s cyanide. It’s more than likely the Chao equivalent of cyanide, or another deadly toxin.
Now Chao can reincarnate, so this is probably in place to induce the process immediately instead of waiting for the game to cycle to that phase. But come on. The devs added a toggle to give Chao the option to drown themselves.
Agree, I had alot of fun with the Chao Garden in SA2, I've been taking care of my Chao for many days.
Starting Chao races, and Chao Karate, and attacking G. U. N Robots to power my Chao even more.
There are even Chao based of, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, etc.
So, the Chao Garden is really fun, and kinda needs to come back more.
The biggest thing I need from a chao garden is improvement since SA2B on the GameCube.
SA1 DC introduced the core mechanics, and SA2 DC added alignments
SA2B took it into overdrive and added all the wacky stuff we all cram into our brains today, and SADX? Just kinda copy pasted it with a few adjustments to get around what SADX didn't have. I need more power, I need more info to cram into my Sonic Centralized brain, please SEGA make an advancement while we're here... but more importantly yeah I want my Chao back plz :)))
Perhaps in the next game. Hopefully today I can play Sonic Frontiers though.
If there had been a chao garden in Shadow's game, then there could've been an option to choose whether to go in with another character, and that could determine Shadow's alignment when raising chao. Imagine Shadow petting a chao while Doom's Eye floats next to him, then the chao becomes a dark chao lol
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, there really should've been an option to play Shadow the Hedgehog as other characters after you beat the game
7:46 that could probably be useful for getting a chaos chao if they’re able to reincarnate after drinking that
I'm shocked that it's not an app yet, honestly. It's a perfect candidate. Considering that its not necessary to do in SA1 or 2, I still replayed levels in both games a lot for rings and such to take care of my Chao. I don't see why it would be hard to just put it in somewhere. If they just chucked the Chao garden from SA2B I would be fine; it's an optional little thing and if you don't want it, you don't have to play it. I'm sad that it was a confirmed "NO"; I think it would have been a great addition to find in the open world. If I was running through Sonic Frontiers and stumbled on a hidden little Chao garden I would give the game 10/10 on the spot, LOL.
Yeah, that seems like free money for sega, just make it a free game with in app purchases so more people will give money, and boom.
You make some great points
I currently have a vanilla sa2 save ony ps3 where I'm trying to turn a hero chao named zippy, into a chaos chao, he's already reincarnated once as a hero/run/run and this life as he's nearing the 2nd one he's a hero/run/fly and i can't wait, another hero chao named chaoko is nearing her first reincarnation too at 3 yrs old and is a hero/fly/fly, and a dark chao named aeon is a dark/run/run and is already 2 years old. I really wish they brought it back and expanded it. Things like this make the garden so fun to mess around in
Tbh, I'm still not convinced there won't be a Chao Garden in Frontiers until it finally comes out
I've felt this way since the first time they denied it. Idk why, just a premonition
i agree, if Chao were in Sonic06, people would have a much different opinion of the game overall. it would still be a meme i imagine.
The Chao Garden is unique. I tried searching around for pet simulators similar to it and I can't find anything really similar to it. There is an upcoming game called Loddlenauts that was inspired by chao garden but other then that, I can't find another game where you can raise a pet and enter them in contests and watch them try and beat the contests judging by how much stats you give them. This is why we beg for more chao!
The Chao had been put in the background for a time (mostly after Sonic Adventure 2) though it would be awesome to see them return with a modern spin to them. I would literally be ecstatic if I get to bring them along on levels and such as they help out the character and the likes. Maybe help out with finding new things in a level or something because honestly, I would like to do more than just being a Garden for as relaxing as it is.
At least Izuka outright deconfirmed that the Chao's aren't going to be in Frontiers, instead of getting everyone's hopes up for nothing. Once again, if Sega doesn't bring them back, the fans will do it better
From challenges in Generations to the way levels were done in Colours, they are always trying to extend the playtime of Sonic games while keeping the main "going fast" gameplay. So I don't understand why they didn't bring back a feature that ties in with the main gameplay, encourages replaying levels, and so significantly extended play time.
Of course the open world formula of Frontiers looks to be another way of extending play time that might work but still.
If he’s nothing without the chao then he shouldn’t have them.
5:36 It's more of an art website than Twitter ever will be.
As a "Chao Garden is mid" guy, your title really got me lol
If Sonic Team is worried about making the Chao Garden make sense in a game, make it a standalone game! Chao Garden would make for an excellent mobile game tbh, with minigames to collect animals and coins, and limited events with special cosmetics! Ideally, it’d be available on Steam, Console, and Mobile with transferable saves. They could have fun with the minigames by giving each character a unique minigame! Mean Bean Machine, Blue Spheres, Fishing with Big, a Rush style minigame, etc!
00:50 i chaged my name Dylan it's no longer BenjaminCD
Where's that damn FOURTH Chao Garden?!
Chao is what really made Sonic great
So why does sega not put chao gardens in their games anymore? My guess is, for the same reason nintendo doesn't make f-zero games: they don't have any ideas on how to make it unique, and not just more of the same.
But get this: it's been 20 years! You can make it just the same as the SA2B chao garden, and I would love it even without any plot justification.
I don't think there was a plot in the original either. It was really just a weird little thing that was there. It isn't mentioned at all in the actual game outside of omochao telling you to collect things for the chao garden.
I've lately, been getting a graphical glitch in the Chao Garden in Sonic Adventure 2 PC version. Sometimes the "nuts" (as Omochao calls them) in the regular Chao Garden, for me, will glitch-up and incorrectly apply the texture of the ground of the neutral Chao Garden, instead of the basic orange texture it's meant to have applied to it. To be honest, I had to jump through some hoops to get SA2 to even run on my computer's hardware at all in a playable state without crashing
Personally the reason I was bored is because it took ages to grind and to grind I only played radical highway for some reason and I wanted to get every character chao
To your point about Chao leaving levels it could be like Elfs in Megaman Zero. Where you could raise chao to have the heal you, damage increase, speed boost, etc. I think it's a solid idea I'd be fun to have it in games and they could help more chao or collectible or something like that
Excellent parallel. I just hope we don't need the Chao to die and make you feel bad to increase your life meter lmao
Truth be told, near the end of the Dark story I had enough of waiting for those mutant babies to wake up so I could force batteries down their throats, so I eventually stopped going there until the postgame.
I honestly never had that much interest in the Chao Garden aside from a bit of time playing the GBA one in Sonic Advance.
However, knowing how much people love the Hevk out of it, I gladly support the movement to bring it back.
11:06
yes, it's tropical jungle.
Oh really is that so?
How do I get those Chaos? And silver???
Though i love the chao. It's a great replay value I've always liked.
Is it a bad time to say that Japan exclusively got a choa mobile game and it got shut down?
honestly the title might slightly bait clicks but yeah chao garden's good
No he's right
Hey shadow looks like those black creates really like the chao garden
At this point they just need to make a game thats just sonic chao garden it will definitely sell. I'll take a mobile game at this point im desperate. I only bought SA2 for the Extended mod
This is by far our communities weirdest obsessions
Sonic Triple Trouble 16 bit came out
Seems to me like they're saving the chao garden for Adventure 3, which is a bummer but would be a nice way to tie all three games together and distinguish them as the Adventure trilogy.
Despite izuka constantly provoking yet shooting down adventure 3 rumors every 3 seconds
Still waiting for the Sonic advance 3 review
it's released like a long ago????
I like how you refused to boot up 06 and just used a Generations mod.
I didn't want to hook up my capture card and Project 06 is a biiiiiiig download. I already had the Gens mod installed lol
@@Garrulous64 Also that, that makes sense.
I think there’s something like that in Frontiers
I believe that sonic team is not listening because they want to work on whatever they want because they don't care about pleasing all types of fans anymore
To make you a little more happy there Chao garden app
Their too scared that they’ll fuck it up somehow
The way I see it, SEGA has catered to the Classic Sonic portion of the fandom by incorporating the classic 2D gameplay with Mania, Generations, and Forces (albeit poorly for the latter). Their nostalgic portion of the fandom has been satisfied and fulfilled. Then the Meta era nostalgics have been satisfied by the repeated incorporation of the stupid Wisps. Now it is the Adventure generation’s turn to have our nostalgia fulfilled. SEGA teases us with art and plushies and the like, but where are our nods in the new games? They have explicitly acknowledged that we want our Chao Garden back. They know we want Adventure 3 and ports of SA1 and SA2B onto newer consoles. With the retro market being as it is, you can tell it’s the generation that grew up with N64, Dreamcast, and GameCube games that are really nostalgic and pining for our childhoods to be acknowledged by our favorite gaming companies. At least Nintendo is trying by incorporating N64 into their online service. But SEGA is doing nothing beyond allowing their Genesis and Mega Drive console games to be ported. Some of the games are already so easy to find on modern hardware, so what’s the point? You can only find SA1 and SA2B on Steam. No modern consoles. You can barely find Sonic Heroes beyond the GameCube and PlayStation 2 versions, though the PC one exists and is said to be difficult to run on modern computers without emulation. Where are these games today? They’re nowhere to be found on modern hardware, despite the outcry from our side of the fandom. Even newer fans want to play these games, but with the economic crisis and how expensive some of our generation’s consoles are, they can only watch UA-cam Let’s Plays, Twitch streams, or emulate (so long as they know how). It’s so sad that we have virtually been abandoned by SEGA, and they know we’re out there, holding on to the hope that we will one day see our generation’s games being ported to modern consoles. My hope is that Frontiers sells well and is praised by both critics and fans. If that happens, maybe SEGA will feel confident enough to release Sonic Adventure 3. However, it’s hard to market a third entry in a series without its prior games being playable. I hope that ports or complete remasters of SA1 and SA2B will be released prior to Adventure 3. Maybe SEGA will take inspiration from Chao World Extended’s expansive mod, maybe collaborate with the modders themselves. That would be absolutely incredible. Maybe someday we’ll see the Chao Garden return, but SEGA would need to find a way to not butcher it…
That's because Forces wasn't actually made by SEGA. They just allowed the devs to use the characters.
Honestly I don’t even know what the chow garden is well I haven’t watched the video yet and I’ve been playing sa1 but I just do the normal story thing
Go to the Chao Garden in the Elevator inside the hotel in Station Square. It will change your life.
@@Garrulous64 ok I will, and I’ve been there, but I left immediately for some reason
Simplesmente o Faustão dos jogos versão norte americano
I like ti abuse chao in the garden!
i mean no??? but alright
I NEED TO PLAY.THIS F$&% GAME!
Every fucking sonic game. I pick up to replay has to have a have chao garden. The gba one to the adverture battle 2. It sucks that having cute blue babies help me feel things besides my father's disappointment.
Whoops I was the one who got bored of the Chao Garden, my bad
😔
Chao
There was a Chao garden in Minecraft
I don’t care what other people say Brassmo was peak chao and the the other chao won because they were cheating.
You ended the video with a chao dying
That's life
Sega does what nintendont and nintendo makes good buisness decisions 70 percent of the time
I firmly believe SEGA isn't willing to put in actual work, They're lazy and have made idiotic decisions since the days of the Dreamcast. That's why they're no longer major players in the gaming space! Honestly SEGA would probably do better if the entire company's staff got fired and a whole new team was hired. AT THIS POINT, IT CAN'T HURT THE BRAND NAME ANYMORE THAN THEY HAVE DONE THEMSELVES!
Guys maybe the reason why there is no Chao garden
Is because all the all of them died
Hey so where’s that pinned comment hmmm? 🤨
Unpopular opinion: I think the chao garden is mid
Correction: That opinion is fact lmao
Please talk constantly about why shadow needs to be written correctly next
we dont need a chao gardern this badly
Yeah we do
No we dont
@@stevep9177 we sure do
As far as I'm concerned, I do. I would legit buy the next Sonic game AT LAUNCH if it would have a Chao Garden.
I even loved watching the Tims do pointless crap in Balan Wonderworld.
I WANT MOAR OF THAT.
I tried to play the chao garden, I really tried, but it's overrated, and boring. Any game about raising animals, creatures, or even chao, is very boring.
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I actually dont touch the chao garden unless im going for all the emblems.
Sonic is great without it.
Add 5 to 64.
Uhhh... No. We don't. 🤨
Yes we do
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