Because of his (lack of) personality: Zavala is a Traveler and Light Fanatic, he only sees it one way "Light good, Dark bad" and only goes the "righteous way", when Ana woke Rasputin, he wasnt happy, because "that's not what Guardians do", when cayde died, he did nothing, because vengeance is "not what Guardians do", now that we have stasis, he can't see we can use it for good, because "Light good, Dark bad". These lines, though they would've made him a hell of a lot more interesting character, doesn't fit with his personality
Zavala has always been a good character. I’m glad for people to see this and realize he is a deeply troubled and sad man with the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Preach man, Idk why I've always felt so bad for Zavala, he's obviously only cold and boring because he wants to stay strong for his city and all the guardians. He needs a vacation, Saint-14 can fill in for him on the weekdays XD
The thing is if they showed this pain and burden then people would feel for him. Forsaken was a great example for him to lose his cool and tell the us "I nor Ikora can not leave the City after our... loss of Cayde. I am not going to tell you what to do and I will not stop you but for the City, Guardians, Ikora... and me... do not show any mercy for the Prince, you send him to Hell" I feel we need to see Zavala show some emotion but after his speech last night "Who can stop us?"... we're f*cked and he just jinxed us.
Most likely. Yes. It is referring to rhe speaker as he mentions "all the wisdom, the mystique. It was that mask you wore. Not who was behind it" that line alone confirms it as the speaker was always giving wisdom and most notably was a figurehead that was always seen with that mask.
I want a ghost that second guesses every dumbass decision the guardian makes rather than goes along with everything that we do and be our little minion. Just feel it would give the ghost a better sidekick like character
@@curleywurley9634 That would've been a great version for Beyond Light, since pretty much the entire plot is the Guardian making dumb decisions: "You...you're really going to use Darkness? WE LITERALLY MET SOMEONE WHO WAS CORRUPTED BY IT 30 MINUTES AGO, YOU OAF!"
fun fact: there is a cut line from the red war campaign when you go to the shard of the traveler and get your light back instead of "eyes up guardian", ghost says the following: "Twinkle Twinkle, Assholes"
Some of the ones where they seem to indicate stalling like the lever one on Inverted Spire, actually might still play. I remember in the Corrupted, one time, I just decided to stare down into the big drop leading to the portal below, and ghost told me along the lines: "It's okay. Jump. I'm right here with you."
Zavala will always be my favourite Vanguard. Maybe it's because I pity him so much. Maybe it's because he is a hero in another way, ways another than Cayde or Ikora, or Osiris or Saint or Shaxx or even Rezzyl Azir. He keeps going and standing tall, disciplined to every bit of "near-nothing" he is made of.
I don't mind Ghost right now, but he could have been so much better! Some of these lines are actually really cool. I want to see more of a friendship between The Guardian and Ghost.
These are precious clips that need to be added to the game, I have too many friends who call Zavala a useless coward. This stuff adds so much more depth.
@@JM1992 Taeko: Dont Come here It's too dangerous Ghost: we're coming to help you Taeko: but we don't have crystals here Just half a second later sometimes cutting the one before Taeko: Nevermind come here we follow the plan
@@kiresolrac they just needed to do the lines sooner I think. Reveal the crystals just after the first set, and make then talk about there being no crystals in the main chamber around the second set.
This is how every video on UA-cam should be. No ads from UA-cam about premium and fake products. No pointless and annoying dialogue from the content creator for five minutes before the actual video to fill in for “content”, no stupid sponsors or begging to buy merchandise. Just straight to the point. *Perfection.*
I mean I thought were ACTUALLY gonna go up to the Almighty and blew it up or something but nooooooo instead were stuck with those boring stuffs in Season of Worthy
I wish they kept those recordings in. They make Zavala's decision in forsaken alot more relatable and understandable. He is clearly still suffering from the psychological effects the red war and losing his light had. So it makes sense he would be overly cautious and unwilling to leave the place he feels truly in control. Yes he went to mars but going to a mostly secure base essentially next to the Tower is alot different then flying to edge of space in a lawless unpredictable wasteland. With Ikora it's the same situation but she is reacting in the opposite yet equally unhealthy way lashing out and believing that rushing in full force and blind is a good idea.
I actually think that first Zavala line is still in there as well as the first line here from Ana, I was running the OG campaign with a buddy of mine since he was new and on the Titan mission where you have to grab the CPU orb thing, along the way before we got into the hive infested hole in the wall there was a scannable I didn’t remember seeing before when I had originally played the campaign so long ago, upon scanning it there is a line from Ana saying she found some old files on Zavala and for us to listen, and from there it’s Zavala’s monologue
I love Ghost... sad that he doesn't get much dialogue these days... though he is a bit, changed? I'd say. He's more loving to us than before, like take a look at the Pyramidion Strike and the lasers! He's being a binch about dying to them, meanwhile he's more caring when we use the darkness and such.
I wonder if the lines referring to Cayde being missing from the tower was for a mission or quest that was cut that would have hyped the community up for forsaken. Similarly to how in D1 the House of Wolves would just show up randomly in patrol zones.
The lines in the beginning are talking about how the speaker couldnt actually hear the traveler, the mask was sort of like a signal conductor that could pick up the traveler's dreams, and he interpreted them.
Imagine how many times the ghost would’ve res’ed us if we are indeed playing a strike in sen’s fortress with all those taken phalanx tryna boot your ass into all those booby traps
I like how for Arms Dealer it was cut far enough for Nolan North's voice to have the Ghost sound effect but not far enough for Cayde to have his exo sound effect 😂
3:20 damn, makes ya really think. I was thinking something along the same lines as well, not use to hearing Zavala have... doubts? Even if its just speculation.
I do wonder sometimes what Zavala meant regarding what he "knew" about the Speaker. Was it simply that the Traveler didn't actually speak to him? Or is there something more going on that we don't know about? also god they should've kept these lines, some of them were quite funny
Maybe they are not cut but being held for if Zavala falls to darkness in this season or in Beyond Light. Myelin and Byf have mentioned how he is slowly losing his faith in the light and in the traveler. Maybe we recover these logs after he falls or in some kind of memorial mission like for Cayde's mission in Forsaken
When I say all of Destiny's characters have plenty of personality but those personalities aren't always seen because of bad in-game* writing, this is what I mean. Think of all the drama and discourse we would've avoided (especially in Zavala's case) if Bungie had just kept these, instead of the pointless, emotionless lines we actually got. *I say "in-game" but let's be real, Bungie has had multiple chances since Forsaken to develop Zavala and Ikora, and instead gave us five lore entries about how sad they are that Cayde's dead. Even in fucking Season of the Worthy.
A lot of people hate Zavala because he’s “boring”, but he’s really not. You just have to look deep to see that he’s slowly falling apart inside and he’s doubting everything he’s done. He’s afraid that their fight means nothing because with every enemy they beat, another takes their place.
"Someday, the Hunter Vanguard will roll snake eyes one too many time, and we won't be there to bail him out"
*I FEEL ONLY PAIN*
ONLY TEARS NOW 😭😭
Oof
P a i n
damn
Those lines from zavala added so much weight and backstory to them and his character all in three minutes. Why couldn't they have been in game.
That is an excellent question. If only we could know why it all ended up on the cutting room floor.
Maybe it was part if a quest that got cut due to time .
pika productions XD time as in they weren't finished with it or it was too long because Felwinter's Lie quest... Eesh
Because of his (lack of) personality: Zavala is a Traveler and Light Fanatic, he only sees it one way "Light good, Dark bad" and only goes the "righteous way", when Ana woke Rasputin, he wasnt happy, because "that's not what Guardians do", when cayde died, he did nothing, because vengeance is "not what Guardians do", now that we have stasis, he can't see we can use it for good, because "Light good, Dark bad". These lines, though they would've made him a hell of a lot more interesting character, doesn't fit with his personality
Problem is bungie catering to the masses and masses need extremely small simple black and white lines.
When he said “the hunter vanguard is going to roll snake one to many times and we won’t be there to save him” that hurt me
Zavala has always been a good character. I’m glad for people to see this and realize he is a deeply troubled and sad man with the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Preach man, Idk why I've always felt so bad for Zavala, he's obviously only cold and boring because he wants to stay strong for his city and all the guardians.
He needs a vacation, Saint-14 can fill in for him on the weekdays XD
I’ll believe that when they write an actual good story portraying that IN the game.
The thing is if they showed this pain and burden then people would feel for him. Forsaken was a great example for him to lose his cool and tell the us "I nor Ikora can not leave the City after our... loss of Cayde. I am not going to tell you what to do and I will not stop you but for the City, Guardians, Ikora... and me... do not show any mercy for the Prince, you send him to Hell"
I feel we need to see Zavala show some emotion but after his speech last night "Who can stop us?"... we're f*cked and he just jinxed us.
He seemed changed after Rasputin blew up the almighty. Maybe it’s the boost he needed.
@@zerotodona1495 Yeah but he's over-confident.
Damn. Zavala has some dark thoughts.
That was a LOT of lines about dying to lasers
There really are
Lmao
NOT THE LASERS!!!
Yeah, I don't know who dies to those. Not me, that's for sure, nope, not ever. No way, no how.
ZAP
I believe the first zavala line is refrencing the speaker in the red war correct me if im wrong
Most likely. Yes. It is referring to rhe speaker as he mentions "all the wisdom, the mystique. It was that mask you wore. Not who was behind it" that line alone confirms it as the speaker was always giving wisdom and most notably was a figurehead that was always seen with that mask.
I agree.
Yeap... That's it!
Yeah no way it’s not
Obviously
I need more sassy ghost in my life
I want a ghost that second guesses every dumbass decision the guardian makes rather than goes along with everything that we do and be our little minion. Just feel it would give the ghost a better sidekick like character
@@curleywurley9634
That would've been a great version for Beyond Light, since pretty much the entire plot is the Guardian making dumb decisions:
"You...you're really going to use Darkness? WE LITERALLY MET SOMEONE WHO WAS CORRUPTED BY IT 30 MINUTES AGO, YOU OAF!"
fun fact: there is a cut line from the red war campaign when you go to the shard of the traveler and get your light back
instead of "eyes up guardian", ghost says the following:
"Twinkle Twinkle, Assholes"
Some of the ones where they seem to indicate stalling like the lever one on Inverted Spire, actually might still play.
I remember in the Corrupted, one time, I just decided to stare down into the big drop leading to the portal below, and ghost told me along the lines:
"It's okay. Jump. I'm right here with you."
That's actually really sweet of him. I like the little touches the game has when you're just enjoying the world.
@@liamodahl1205 Enjoying the world of destiny is the most fun thing to do in this game imo. Thats why I like big and complex patrol areas.
tearing up at that
@@cammydwhammy
Just imagine if he was like Venom in the movie of the same name.
"Jump."
(Doesn't jump.)
"P*ssy."
That’s actually really sweet, I wish I heard that myself lol
Failsafe definitely has to have a lot of cut lines. I love her sassy attitude, as well as her twin failsafe.
Or as I like to call her, Safefail
She is literally best girl
The first line of zavala talking about mask and robes he's refering to the speaker.
They stole your comment
*DUH.*
Yes and the floor here is made of floor
Zavala will always be my favourite Vanguard. Maybe it's because I pity him so much. Maybe it's because he is a hero in another way, ways another than Cayde or Ikora, or Osiris or Saint or Shaxx or even Rezzyl Azir. He keeps going and standing tall, disciplined to every bit of "near-nothing" he is made of.
Man some of these lines I really wish were used. Especially the ghost lines. They’re all great and add plenty of personality that is sorely needed.
Man those lazer lines would have been awesome.
"Zavala I love you" how did this audio get cut
Yeah I'd love if these were all in the game, at least just the strike ones
Damn bro wtf happen they gave characters actual personalities during the arms dealer strike and made it boring
I love how clean hawthorne and cayde’s voices sound
Yeah some of the Ghost lines dont have the voice changer either
"Never, have you met Lord Shaxx?"
Lord Shaxx: SEVENTH COLUMN!!!!!
best line xD
they need to add it to the game :D
Man that would actually be really cool to have death commentaries from Ghost, just because it's part of being a Guardian to resurrect.
I don't mind Ghost right now, but he could have been so much better! Some of these lines are actually really cool.
I want to see more of a friendship between The Guardian and Ghost.
More like that one mission from D1 where the ghost is so happy to be with you.
Zero Todona you mean the exotic Khvostov mission?
@@kaimuraki5685 Yup
He’s like legit super cool :)
@Timo Van der Geer where?
These are precious clips that need to be added to the game, I have too many friends who call Zavala a useless coward. This stuff adds so much more depth.
They need to stop cutting lines. Especially in strikes. They are already boring and lack of new dialogue doesn’t help!
Some lines get cut because they don't fit anymore. Though I do miss the different lines in strikes.
Double Trouble smh in arms dealer I can still sometimes hear Cayde speaking, but those specific lines were cut, rip
Like the strike in Titan? Those lines are just all over the place.
@@JM1992
Taeko: Dont Come here
It's too dangerous
Ghost: we're coming to help you
Taeko: but we don't have crystals here
Just half a second later sometimes cutting the one before
Taeko: Nevermind come here we follow the plan
@@kiresolrac they just needed to do the lines sooner I think. Reveal the crystals just after the first set, and make then talk about there being no crystals in the main chamber around the second set.
Your Ghost basically taunting you for dying to lasers. I don't know how I feel about having this in the game or not.
This is how every video on UA-cam should be. No ads from UA-cam about premium and fake products. No pointless and annoying dialogue from the content creator for five minutes before the actual video to fill in for “content”, no stupid sponsors or begging to buy merchandise.
Just straight to the point.
*Perfection.*
Omg Zavala’s first line was so emotional and sad. He really feel bad about the speaker’s death.
Why did they cut it?
6:51 The Almighty event in a nutshell
(Was still a good event)
7:03 cayde roasting season of the worthy
Oh boy, time to look at the Almighty blow up in *an hour and a half.*
I mean I thought were ACTUALLY gonna go up to the Almighty and blew it up or something but nooooooo instead were stuck with those boring stuffs in Season of Worthy
See, we would all love these lines if they played during strikes
Bungie: Makes characters with personality and interesting voice lines
Also Bungie: *NAAAAAAH LETS CUT THEM AND MAKE THEM SAY FUNNY HAHAS*
the first one was obviously for the speakers funeral
Occam’s laser is the greatest joke Ghost has ever told
Like him or not Zavala spoke facts that hurt
9:46 we need these in the game
I wish they kept those recordings in. They make Zavala's decision in forsaken alot more relatable and understandable. He is clearly still suffering from the psychological effects the red war and losing his light had. So it makes sense he would be overly cautious and unwilling to leave the place he feels truly in control. Yes he went to mars but going to a mostly secure base essentially next to the Tower is alot different then flying to edge of space in a lawless unpredictable wasteland. With Ikora it's the same situation but she is reacting in the opposite yet equally unhealthy way lashing out and believing that rushing in full force and blind is a good idea.
WHY ARE THESE GHOST VOICE LINES NOT IN STRIKES IT WOULD ADD SO MUCH CHARACTER UGHHHHH
8:36 Aw, that’s adorable...
God I love Asher, so glad there's more dialogue from him
dude these voice lines give a whole new depth to the character IMO
I actually think that first Zavala line is still in there as well as the first line here from Ana,
I was running the OG campaign with a buddy of mine since he was new and on the Titan mission where you have to grab the CPU orb thing, along the way before we got into the hive infested hole in the wall there was a scannable I didn’t remember seeing before when I had originally played the campaign so long ago, upon scanning it there is a line from Ana saying she found some old files on Zavala and for us to listen, and from there it’s Zavala’s monologue
8:20 "THIS shell dosn't have arms"
Does that mean there are Ghosts with arms ?
I think it's just a general complaint that having arms would have been useful.
Maybe a ghost piloting a frame like a mech warrior except it’s human size
@@thefatherinthecave943 ah yes why don't we put a ghost in a giant hulking mech like fallen did🤔
@@connormac4401 it would work honestly. If you ever go down your ghost can hop in a frame and shoot mothafuckas until you can be rezzed
I love Ghost... sad that he doesn't get much dialogue these days... though he is a bit, changed? I'd say. He's more loving to us than before, like take a look at the Pyramidion Strike and the lasers! He's being a binch about dying to them, meanwhile he's more caring when we use the darkness and such.
I wonder if the lines referring to Cayde being missing from the tower was for a mission or quest that was cut that would have hyped the community up for forsaken. Similarly to how in D1 the House of Wolves would just show up randomly in patrol zones.
Death lines from ghost based on what killed you sounds like an awesome idea
At 6:44 “It’ll be the last ride Bracus Zahn ever takes.” Sounds like something the drifter would say.
Man I love these videos! Great work man!
9:45 wow that's an old school ghost noise
This reminds me of when Asher was screaming at me for standing still.
I still have nightmares.
There's so much extra depth to these cut lines! I wish they'd used some of them.
"I just needed you to know, I love you."
That made my heart melt.
These clear voices sound so different, it’s sorta nice.
Me: oh boi, some new cut content!
Zavala: *Real Sad Boi Hours*
OH SO THEY MADE ZAVALA ACTUALLY INTERESTING BUT THEY CUT IT
Tbh I'd love it if my ghost was more quippy, especially when I died it makes it feel like theres more of a relationship between ghost and guardian
"Why couldn't it be easy to fix. Like decapitation?" - Ghost
ngl that line actually got me.
They need to give all the characters more lines like these. It would make them feel so much more alive.
Oh man could you imagine the crucible with those lasers?😨
The lines in the beginning are talking about how the speaker couldnt actually hear the traveler, the mask was sort of like a signal conductor that could pick up the traveler's dreams, and he interpreted them.
those ghost lines at the end are great. I want my ghost to poke fun at me when I die to something stupid like an environment hazard
Some of these sounds like the voice actors were having fun.
8:00 Hearing Nolan Bot's voice without the bleeps and bloops filter is super weird.
8:35 *Horny Ghost is introduced*
10:52 is that a reference to Sen's Fortress?
Imagine how many times the ghost would’ve res’ed us if we are indeed playing a strike in sen’s fortress with all those taken phalanx tryna boot your ass into all those booby traps
Love the laser bit, Bungie knew what would kill me the most in that strike.
1:05, I honestly did not know what to say about this, this was likely back in Forsaken, sounds like something more haunting today.
One of the inverted spire lines is actually in the game. But it only pops up if you wait a while to pull the levelers.
I like that our Ghost dreams about having arms.
I love how sassy Ghost is in these.
We guardians are different but there's one thing we all have in common, our yearning for more story.
"I wake up some nights still feeling that Cabal boot on my neck"
... not making that joke. Too soon.
What’s the joke??
And to think this was back during Forsaken, it fits quite well with how Cabal represent Authority in Destiny Universe
"I just wanted you to know. I love you."
I need snarky ghost in my life.
I like how for Arms Dealer it was cut far enough for Nolan North's voice to have the Ghost sound effect but not far enough for Cayde to have his exo sound effect 😂
3:20 damn, makes ya really think. I was thinking something along the same lines as well, not use to hearing Zavala have... doubts? Even if its just speculation.
I do wonder sometimes what Zavala meant regarding what he "knew" about the Speaker. Was it simply that the Traveler didn't actually speak to him? Or is there something more going on that we don't know about?
also god they should've kept these lines, some of them were quite funny
the lines are at the beginning is definitely about the speaker, and his death
It sounds like he may be speaking about the Speaker
While I find the Pyramidion laser lines hilarious now, I think it's good they left them out. How many times have YOU been killed by them after all?
Too many times, I get chills to remember them.. eeeuugh.. *shudders*
God I wish some of those ghost lines were added. I want a more quipy ghost
Is 8:15 why shaxx is so hyper? He’s buzzed off of caffeine? If so, that’s hilarious
Maybe they are not cut but being held for if Zavala falls to darkness in this season or in Beyond Light. Myelin and Byf have mentioned how he is slowly losing his faith in the light and in the traveler. Maybe we recover these logs after he falls or in some kind of memorial mission like for Cayde's mission in Forsaken
The first cut line for year one, it is directed towards the death of the Speaker.
Why were these cut?! They are amazing!
This just made me really want lines of Ghost for when we die
I'm kinda glad that ghost doesn't proc a voice line everytime a laser killed me.
They NEED to add those Ghost Lines in the Pyramidion with the lasers!!! I couldn't stop fucking laughing 😂
The death dialogue is beautiful
I like it when the ghost gets angry when we die, better than the silence, plus it’s kinda a funny joke/roast to me😂
Really interesting video, thanks for making it!
The first message is definitely about the speaker after they discovered he was dead
These cut lines are cool af
6:21 I think i've heard that line in the strike before
Whether we wanted it or not we stepped into a war with the cabal on earth
The first log is Zavala having survivors guilt from the speakers death. Who else in the tower Wore a completely face covering mask, and died?
“Sharpened pendulums” lmaoo
Don't forget about the faction vendors talking about caydes death and going back to the dreadnaught
Damn it I need a Ghost shells with arms now.
I wish they would have kept ghost's rapport with the gaurdian on deaths. They're entertaining as all hell.
Awww where was Ghost supposed to say the “I love you” line?
Making it past the drill on the Inverted Spire strike.
When I say all of Destiny's characters have plenty of personality but those personalities aren't always seen because of bad in-game* writing, this is what I mean. Think of all the drama and discourse we would've avoided (especially in Zavala's case) if Bungie had just kept these, instead of the pointless, emotionless lines we actually got.
*I say "in-game" but let's be real, Bungie has had multiple chances since Forsaken to develop Zavala and Ikora, and instead gave us five lore entries about how sad they are that Cayde's dead. Even in fucking Season of the Worthy.
A lot of people hate Zavala because he’s “boring”, but he’s really not. You just have to look deep to see that he’s slowly falling apart inside and he’s doubting everything he’s done. He’s afraid that their fight means nothing because with every enemy they beat, another takes their place.