Don't Be Afraid of the Chess Clock!
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
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Learning to play Warhammer 40k in a reasonable time is something that I never really cared about until I realised that time is precious and spending many hours over a game that could take an evening is silly. Or something, I dunno I have a justification here.
Mostly I just wanted to play a game where I tried out using a chess clock to see what it was like, and what kind of things you can learn from going fast. Learning how to play fast is a good skill anyway, but it also helps remove analysis paralysis which is a cause for slow games, at least for me. There's no point agonising over a decision if it's going to be a bad one anyway, so you might as well shoot from the hip and deal with the consequences so you can learn more, quicker.
Tournaments don't always require a chess clock, but they are on a strict deadline and chess clocks keep one player from hogging all the time. We played this very loosely, more as a guideline to keep us honest and not slowing down, and I still ended up with 8 minutes left after 5 rounds. Sure it was Screaming Ravens vs Grey Knights where the Grey Knights teleporting shenanigans meant some turns took less than 3 minutes but still. Fun game.
I won't talk about how the Nemesis Dread Knight had 1 health left because of a low rolled explosion from my Stormraven and a hit going through from a single Devastator Centurion that needed to literally just not roll a 1 for damage and, of course, rolled a 1, because my dice are cursed. I made other mistakes that the dice didn't cause.
I can still be salty about it though lmao.
0:00 Time is going too fast how is it already April?!
0:29 The worst seque in existence
0:39 3 Hours for 2000 points?!
1:39 Things not considered
2:05 I'm old and full of excuses
2:49 I played a game with a chess clock!
3:02 I do not like time limits
3:15 I'm sorry for all those of a certain age who this affects...
3:23 The Results
4:32 Mistake example (The Battle Report Recap since 1992!)
5:36 I don't know what this artefact is...but you should give the chess clock a go!
6:22 Starting to learn Age of Sigmar and how to learn to play any game!
6:52 Let me know if you have any thoughts in the comments!
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Pro tip: the key to win as a thousand son player is always end your turn saying "JuSt As PlAnNeD"
It works every time
I really gotta stop planning to fail rolls...
Do it after every roll and your opponent will probably concede out of annoyance after about 30 min
works with alpha legion too!
For orks ya win by defeault cause ya had a good fight
ah yes i sure do love my nothing but rubricae army, but that aside its truly just as planned... just a tzeentch planned and by the man emperor of mankind does tzeentch like screwing over thousand sons
Think about all the time you'll have to focus on winning once your not worried about PAINTING YOUR ARMY
Paul, did you know you're the only player with an unpainted army? We all laugh at you for it
3:19 I heard the bubbles in my mind. Thanks for that
Hey Paul I just wanna say I finally bought my first models on my own after years in the hobby (Christmas presents don't count). I bought myself a war dogs kit and already painted one of them!
I bloody love your illustrations, genuinely hilarious
Im a simple man, i see DHMIS i smile
Also 3 hours is hard with some lists and at tours it's already set up and ussually you have also went through each others list before the clock start
You would assume that, but im like that one player that brought 3 baneblades, i show up play games as far as round 3 and what happens happens
Interesting idea, here's one suggestion. If you are struggling with time, you can also use a chess clock when painting to paint faster. I thought this might help since I think your army isn't fully painted
I had to double take when you said august 2027 because that's the exact time my oncologist has said he will be happy to declare me in full remission from cancer (if I have no further incidence before then) 🤣😭
Survive. For the emperor.
In all seriousness I hope it gets better.
@@bonkstrum9555only in death does duty end
In all seriousness trying my best 🫡🪖
battletech has basically 3 stages of rules
beginner box + a game of armored combat, all the standard rules, but none of the fancy stuff like called shots or lostech
total warfare + techmanual, standard tournament rules, same rules as before, but all the rest added in, such as non-mech units
advanced rules and advanced technologies, used for grand campaigns that also involve things like void fighters
0:53 Terraria underground music!
2:49 And there's the shop theme from The Messenger.
In my group most of the time we end the game past round 3. Because its obvious who won and we can put more games in or play some one page rules firefight.
My friends and I also did this for a bit (As most often you can tell who'll win with a pretty high likelihood at that point), but we started playing games out more and to be honest, I've often learned more about the game in the last 2 rounds than for entire games before. Simply because you often have to scrounge for any point or rely on units you usually don't rely on. Has led to some really interesting and informative experiences, funny moments and of course the occasional upset or very close game (where the result differed from what we expected earlier on).
Does none of friends play the index tau detachment that only activated AT ROUND 3??
Or Death Guard which start to fully embrace their army rule at round 3?
@@Skitch213 think that's a bit harsh. Kauyon was absolutely one of the worst index detachment in 10th, but they ended up at least ok due to how cheap they got and how solid the datasheets are (still, of course it wasn't particularly fun to play).
With the Codex (with all its flaws like lack of detachments, having 2 dead on arrival, or no significant datasheet changes) we at least now have play when it actually matters (turns 2-3). Pretty sure T'au will be a hell of a lot more interesting to play with both Mont'ka and Retaliation cadre at least (and stronger to boot).
Also, Crisis how they worked in 10th index, had to go. That wasn't a healthy unit. I think they overdid it of course, the rules could have used more thought and there should have been at least some wargear options, but for both the health of the game and the Tau as a faction it's preferrable to how crisis worked previously.
@@Karim-wd6ih that's sorta unrelated to what we are discussing.
Yes to Tau, it's the reason why Kauyon was widely considered to be one of the worst detachment rules. Especially if you go second you won't have your detachment rule during the most critical parts of a battle. That being said, with Tau later game play was pretty relevant up until the codex. You basically played a delay game, so you have to claw your way back on the latter turns. That being said, it was most often still pretty evident if that was possible to do by turn 3 (especially when going 2nd).
And death guard at least has an army rule all the time. They don't need to get to turn 3 to reach their full potential. If you are losing bad by turn 3, you'll likely end up losing the game regardless of whether or not you got a bit stronger.
I can fight 2k Custodes in 1hr but 2k Imperial Guard vs my Genestealer cult when we are both getting units back: we got 4 turns in 4hrs
I prefer to play 1k games of whatever size and there may be time for a second game
(I even did a video on that topic)
One thing that helped me get a regular session of Warhammer in was using TableTop Simulator to just play whenever we both are online, that way the need to meet up wasnt there and we both were able to look up rules on our PCs.
And yes we used basic tabletop game pieces instead of actual models.
You've been doing a great job with these recent videos, Paul! I really liked the topic this time, since I have a tendency to play somewhat slowly while I think of the optimal order of plays or if I *really* want to bring that unit into charge range. So I've thought about bringing in the Chess Clock, and it's always been a terrifying thought to me. But knowing you didn't have many issues with it makes me think I could chess clock myself as well. Though I might want a cheat sheet so I'm not constantly checking my book/phone for rules.
I’ve played one certain imperial guard player at my local games store and he’s slowly changed his list from more noob friendly to more competitive as he’s been teaching me at this point I’m pretty sure I’m memorized not only my army but 80% of his army too
Happy sailor bubble bath is still around and sold today!
This channel from day one has been and continues to be awesome. Love it, love it all man ( you should do roulette again 👀)
Going to my first tournament was what gave me motivation to get 2000 points painted. Been loving the videos! :)
I misread “faster” as fantasy and I was so confused for the whole video until I double checked the title lmao
Yay, you did it! You can now make more mistakes in less time! . . . That's great?
Honestly, though, being able to handle the time pressure is a good skill to have.
A friend and I started playing onepagerules recently, and in our third game, with me looking up the rules on my phone, our 2k game lasted about 2 hours. Granted, that's probably more a 1500 points in 40k terms, but the game just rips along, and having only played 9th Ed 40k, I continue to not miss anything about 40k playing it.
Have you considered painting your models? Apparently it makes you win more games!
I'm glad that I've been playing long enough where around the 3-hour Mark I start to think the game is going too long
I did my 6th game of 10th last week and we got to end of turn 4 in about 3 1/2 hours so definitely getting faster (and we then declared the winner there were so few units left we could basically predict the points scoring) and the game before we did a 1.5k game in a decent amount less than 3 hours, but we were playing marine vs marine so we knew each other's rules and datasheets a lot better. Honestly for me the thing that takes the longest is actually setting up the game, like putting the objectives down in the right spot, getting the deployment zones right and a decent terrain layout. That + getting the army out and finding the missions etc. can take 30-40 minutes before we even start moving any models.
Out of that splash of nostalgic things i remember almost everything.
Only ones i'm not sure of are the building (unless that just represents schools), the rainbow thing with Tony The Tiger, Toffo sweets and that Calippo thing by Noddy. Out of the rest only Kwik Save is the weakest memory as i don't recall ever seeing one.
Started watching your vids and I laughed like 3/4 of the video. Keep it up!
Paint your minis
I'm definitely still learning how to how speed up 40k games... Just played my 5th game yesterday and it took us a solid 6 hours of going as fast as we possibly could... granted, we both had armies we were unfamiliar with (it was his first with World Eaters and my first with Sisters), that time included set up, it was a 2.5k pt game, and it was one of those BEAUTIFUL down to the wire, all of the way to the last move turn 5 types of games... but still. I have utterly no clue how people have the brainpower to speed run 3 games in a single day with 3 hours per game. I want to get into the tourney space but holy hell I think I'd be mentally braindead by game 2...
I'm really excited to hear you started playing AoS!!! Idk if you've heard anything about 4th Edition but it looks like it's going to help a lot of the things you talked about in this video!
If you're into funny mistakes, I quite recently forgot to shoot my Leman Russ Executionner with the whole plama array and shit, not killing the ennemy ghostkeel and losing all of it's HP in the next turn due to that. Nearly cost me the win xO
When I teach, something I do quite often for new players to my filthy casual beer and pretzels group, I flat refuse to do full rules or more than 1000 points.
Game 1: 500 points with basic rolls, no bonus rules for factions/detachments/missions, play for kill points
Game 2: 1000 points with faction rules and classic 7th Ed primaries (Slay, First Blood, BEL), and core strategems
Game 3: 1000 points with everything including secondaries
I don't chess clock them but I find myself chess clocking myself mentally because I'm terrified of them getting bored.
One thing I always recommend for my new players to gain speed is to develop processes. Just like making a batch of cookies or your favorite dinner recipe if you follow the same steps every time you won't have to scramble for all the stuff when you need it.
I'm really proud one of my newer guys you beat me for the first time last month after a year of trying. By using his data cards as an order of operation guide he didn't miss rules and got his speed up. While this doesn't always work for tournament play I think it does help during the "seasoning" phase all new players go through.
I was able to play morning actions this weekend. It was 500 points. Three of us all fighting each other. Took about 2 hours. If we would have had terrain set up and armies are already ready to go and less talking could have been done in about an hour
I think the hours thing is correct, if you add “per player”.
Also, I imagine custodes could manage that time frame, but with so many armies becoming hordes due to points going down (rather than making the units better), I doubt they could.
The learning AoS by chunking out rules thing is interesting since 4th seems to be built with that in mind to assist in onboarding. The whole modular set up seems interesting and I hope they don't bungle the execution, could definitely help people get in way easier than being like "ok this game barely functions under 2k points. Good luck."
I have one big tip how to make your game faster: Learn your own army. Of course you won't remember EVERYTHING, but at least learn units you using the most times. This makes game much faster, becouse you don't have to search stats of your unit every single time, when you move, attack or save.
Love the dhis reference
that 1.59 disclaimer is great :)
As a man with bulbous behind once said 'I don't respect time it's an odious concept'
1:58 I'm not saying you can't have fun in a non-casual or competitive environment. i'm just saying that in a casual, chill game you are likely to also be hanging out with your friends outside of being there to play Warhammer which might slow you down. I'm not saying you can't have fun with just Warhammer, it's more of a vibe thing. Anyway if you read all this nonsense you have to subscribe, i do this in most videos and it actually works.
Honestly the best way to speed up your game is to plan your movement in advance and have a bit of a plan beforehand, and unless absolutely necessary shoot only your important units, 20 cultists with 3 different types of special weapons and the sarge pistol to do approximately 1 wound to a target isn't helpful for time, along with just accepting when something is gone, 10 termies will remove 10 grots 98% of the time
Yea man you are 100% Tournament ready, go sign up for a RTT! (3 games in one day)
Me and my buddy split our crusade games into two days. One to start and one to end the game. This...ended up with my dinning room table unusual for two months last year lol
These last two videos hit way too close to home.
Nice video, but remember to paint your minis😂
I wish i could play often enough so i didnt have to look at a units datasheet every single time they do something/have something done to them.
Should’ve picked up middle earth instead of Sigmar because if I remember correctly in that game you want to roll low
Learning how to play in 3 hours really helped me and my friend, both with wifes and children, play more often and plan more planable
I just played my Deathwatch against Orks today.
1.5k game that we decided to end on turn 3 and it took up 4 hours 😑
Not sure if I could've won that game if we had more time but we closed at 40-53.
I wanna hear about your aos game!
I also struggle with decisions paralysis... but only at tournaments. I'm trying to win so I need to make the best plays and well, I have to debate. However, once my debate is over, I do my stuff quickly. Small unit count, knowing my rules and speedy plays make up for my decision paralysis.
That's interesting, something I didn't really consider when making this video. For me, because I probably don't know the best move anyway, making any move is better and trying to work from there to learn stuff. Definitely helped me understand what is and isn't a good play faster to learn better, but I imagine at some point that will flip when I am more confident and have multiple good moves I could do
@PaulIsBadAtStuff Oh yeah definitely. I only started going to tournaments recently but I have already gotten better as a player in the past couple of months. When you look at the game from a competitive "I want to win but not so much I ruin the game" you learn all the little tactics that can give you a small advantage then not need to use any of them. But at least I know I can charge a transport with 2 units then kill the transport and the other unit kill the squad inside.
So know the question how can I use cheast clock for painting!
Did you ever test a rund of killteam?
I got back into the hobby with skirmish games and that's what I still play. That means that even at a casual pace I can play a couple of games, or a 3 or 4-way game with a lot of chat and catching up in an evening. Skirmish games are ace!
For sure! Some evening Gaslands or other smaller games are great, or even just a cheeky smaller point game of 40k
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff if you've got AoS models give Warcry a shot, it's great. Kill Team has a strong reputation too, but is a crunchier, more competitive game than Warcry.
0:42 Kek try 6, like fridays we play around 2, 3 pm and except for the two tournament players and our custodes player we barely reach end of round 3 at 8 when the shop closes. 2:04 exactly, we go for like 2 smoke breaks and a bit of banter. Also doesnt help that im used to the like of tactics ogre and fftactics, how am i supposed to plan ahead if i dont know the state of the board, and enyoj the strategirizing when my turn comes along. Also gettign used to the rules, I think i got used to my 9th 'usual' list riiiiigh, as 10th started. So start from scratch we go.
Me and my cousin playing a 8 1/2 hour game of 1900 points and not even finishing it. 3 hours my ass
There seem to be some strange patches of artifacts scattered through the video, such as around 2:07 and 5:35
Yeah I have no idea what happened as they didn't appear until I uploaded the video. Very strange
Hi Paul. If you’re east coast local I’ve got a load of free time to help you practice. What army do you run? I know it’s SM but what kind?
Our games go 3-5 rounds. Starting from the end of round 3 we look at the feasible chances of winning. If there is an obvious winner we end the game. Most of our games end turn 4, but plenty end in 3 and few go to 5. Haven't had a 2 round game yet
I'm 75% sure your games take a lot longer than 3 hours is because you're treating it as a social thing (which it is). I can play 2k games in 2 hours sometimes during tournaments, but in casual settings games take 4 hours usually for me because I'm talking and being social with my opponent/friends.
He used to have hair. No that cannot be.
did u try OPR? its way faster and u can use your gw minis
When’s the next live stream
Dude, those Vanguard Vets look fantastic.
And don't sweat the not painted bit. Outside of large tournaments and rando's on the internet, I've never met anyone who cares.
Thanks. Yeah I don't really mind the comments, and bringing it up means people will want to say it as a joke which drives engagement. I'm a youtube tactical genius
SPEED
Yes?
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner mnyes
Good news! you can play more games! Gooder news! You can lose even more!
I played a 4K game in 4 hours
3:15 I'm sorry but who has voluntary panic attacks? xD
Do you not schedule in your panic attacks? I make sure to keep them in my calendar and do them voluntarily so they don't interfere with my busy schedule
@@PaulIsBadAtStuff That sounds like a very good idea. I'll give it a try. "oooh sorry I can't thursday afternoon. I will be grapling with the fact that I'll never be good enough and overwhelmed by the expectations put on me 🤷♂️"
Please try one page rules. The games are a lot quicker. :)
Want faster games simplify the game for yourself ie limit strategems to reroll only.
Give different game a shot like One Page Rules, same minis and in my opinion better more streamlined rules.
You do know your army is upainted right?
Damn I wasn't aware of that fact thanks for letting me know :) :) :)
One thing I really like about One Page Rules is that it's designed, not only to be as simple as possible, but _fast._ It was created by a person with a life outside the wargame, FOR people who have lives outside the wargame. Faster games mean it's easier to fit a game into people's busy schedules. And each match isn't a huge slog.
Plus, it just FEELS faster. Both because of all the faffing around with rules you're NOT doing, and because it has Alternative Activations (so you're not waiting for your opponent to do their entire turn before you're allowed to play the wargame).
thousand sons are not for casual, your kabal points are good in right hands but useless in casual's hands
you should paint your army dude
We routinely play games in less then 3 hours. Locally.
Almost as bad as Star Wars: Rebellion