I'd like to see it be built with new budget parts. Maybe with something like the latest Core i3 CPUs. I bet it would do wonders in something like that.
The low-profile A380 doesn't require an 8-pin connection as it only draws 45 watts. I have the AsRock version and installed it in an old Lenovo E34 SFF and it works quite well.
the 12500t ebay is 150 bucks an asrock B660M PRO RS LGA 1700 Intel B660 SATA 6Gb/s DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard is 100 bucks and ram less than 50 bucks for 32gb that is like the best pound per pound as far as prices
Not sure if you covered it or glossed over, but these Intel Arc cards, especially the A380 have AV1 encoding. If I had a tiny editing box, or used handbrake a lot, this card would be my #1 pick. The benchmarks out there are crazy good for a 100$ video card.
I take huge issue with how companies are using things like FSR and DLSS as an excuse to just not target a reasonable performance level or optimize their games PROPERLY... but that said, I feel this is where these technologies may shine. Making a $50-99 GPU perform "eh, okayish" or acceptably with higher end games. Enough to at least keep things playable. Likewise, older hardware having more longevity.
Would be nice that it doesn't need the 8-pin but have had some bad luck with cards that pull a full 75 watts from the mainboard. Intel also is probably using one board design for several cards cheaper to just leave the plug.
Ditto.. I have gtx1650 and has been looking for upgrade for my cheap system with weak power supply (so PCIe power only). Would like to see how A380 compares.
It makes ZERO sense to go with anything before a 6'th gen i5 MINIMUM they are $20 and mobos are anywhere from 15 (if you dont mind using oems) to 40$ for a cheaper board that still has M.2 Support. Makes MUCH more sense to do a budget build with an optiplex 7040 motherboard and have to press f1 for whatever every time you boot up (or just jump some pins and get around that) than to go with a 3'rd gen i-anything. For a budget build 6'th gen upgrade path is good too considering a 6'th gen i7 has the same fps as an 10'th gen i3) . If you don't mind using a (if your going to do this at-least try and make sure it's a dual sata) sata to 6/8 pin or using something like the GTX 1650 or the RTX A2000 that doesn't require external power you could save even more money and get an optiplex PSU for like $15. 500GB NVME's are $25 right now on ebay. Actually even a $40 case on newegg that comes with a $400 watt psu so yeah there ya go if you don't want to use the dell psu. $115 before your gpu. To keep this a SUPER budget build throw a used 5700XT in there for $100 (considering a 1650 costs about the same it would be stupid to go with something that shitty unless you need too) for $215 or while still keeping it a SUPER budget build but a slightly more expensive one, go with a used 1080ti.@@redjohn138
Keep in mind, that without resizable bar support, the performance will be pretty bad. So these are a terrible option of older OEM systems, or even newer systems if they can't enable resizable bar.
@@jinxterx It's a setting in the system BIOS that allows the GPU to negotiate the Base Address Register (BAR) size to optimize resources. It can result in a performance improvement, but for Intel GPU's it's a must to have it enabled. If it's disabled, there will be a VERY noticeable performance decrease, to the point that they're not recommended for older systems, or any system that can't enable that feature.
@@InfernosReaper I do a lot with older systems, and it's a real shame. Intel had the chance to really scoop up market share with the budget gamer crowd, but no dice.
@@hzsid8733 fun note - GTX 1650 GDDR5 is better than GTX 1650 GDDR6 XD GDDR6 version have only 128b bus, while GDDR5 one has 192b bus :| that is 128GB/s vs 192GB/s
@@Karti200Are you sure? Because I checked the listing on Wikipedia, and all 1650 variants are on 128 bit bus (be it GDDR5 or GDDR6). It's the 1660 which is listed to have 192 bit bus.
Be sure to pair this on budget systems that support ReBar. Performance tanks without it. 10th+ gen intel or 5000/7000 Ryzen. Check your motherboard if it supports rebar.
I think it would be great to build something on a budget but using only new parts... I would love to see what kind of build we can have and how low can we go without compromising performance...great video.
I thought you had to enable resizeable bar in order for ARC cards to work properly. If so, an older optiplex wouldn’t work since they don’t have that feature. Also would be nice to see other fighting games like Guilty Gear Strive or Granblue Fanyasy Versus. Don’t get me wrong, I love SF6 but a change every once in a while wouldn’t hurt. I love your videos, especially small form factor budget builds. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Yeah. It's a little too soon. I wouldn't consider the 7080 series old for at least 2 more years. I would expect the hit from lack of rebar to scale though. This card will probably take a smaller hit to performance compared to the more powerful cards.
Resizable BAR was introduced with the Intel 9th generation CPUs. ARC cards will work without resizable BAR, but take a 25-30% performance penalty compared to having it enabled.
You could mail him a turd and he'd find some way to give it a good review. The fact that he doesn't know about the ReBAR requirement says he shouldn't be "reviewing" GPUs.
@@colindunn9964The cards suffer from frame timing issues without it enabled, it'd be a miserable experience for anyone but the most oblivious gamers. There's also the fact that most OEM UEFI won't even surface an advanced option like enabling ReBAR and Above 4G.
I'm not so sure this card is good for an older OptiPlex due to its need for Resizeable BAR. Would definitely be interesting to see how it actually performs, though!
Bingo. People watching this video are going to think that their old Optiplex 3060 with an i5-8500 that has no resizable bar support is going to give the same frame rates for $100. I love this channel, but this is the most misleading video he’s ever made. He makes no mention of “I am using the highest performance CPU I possibly can, and you will never achieve these frame rates with your old eBay Optiplex.”
For an older Optiplex the best options with no PSU upgrade are GTX 1650 G6 and RX 6400, both available used for ~$100. With a $50 500W PSU upgrade +$10 MoBo power adapter, a used ~$110 RX 5600 is the next bump in performance and sets you up for a better GPU *but* then you'll be running out of CPU power unless you have a Core i5-8400 or better.
@@bleeb1347 That's a hell of a thrust in ETA's direction, considering he mentioned 3x the word "overkill," and fully explained the test rig and why he's using it. Edit: and ended the video saying "Like I mentioned before, this test rig is a bit overkill, let me know if you guys' wanna see a BUDGET build for the A380."
Also, if you're going to do a round-2 test on this card, I'd suggest you run it with the latest drivers (the ones in this video), but on a system with PCIE 3.0, and no resizable bar. A lot of people who are looking for a Low Profile GPU are people who - like me - has bought an old office PC. I have a fairly new one (HP Prodesk 600 G5), and even though it has a 9th gen Intel, it has neither PCIE-4 nor resizable-bar capability. As far as I've read, a lot of the impressive gains that the A380 gpu has achieved seem to come from the combination of PCIE-4 and resizable Bar. This gives the card a bit of a skewed perception in terms of what can be achieved, for people looking for an LP card for their older, office-pc:s, when compared to something like an RX 6400 or the older 1650 models. Both these cards seem to have hit their full potential, whereas the a380/intel cards in general (?) appear to get dramatically better on an update-by-update basis. But if this is wholly contingent on having PCIE-4 and resizable-bar capability (two features I suspect isn't super-common knowledge), then that might give some customers a faulty sense of what to expect, if the setup they're shopping for has neither of these things (and they might not even be aware of that fact). So a compare and contrast-trial of A380, with the latest drivers, in a PCIE-4 + Resizable Bar system, compared to latest drivers in a PCIE-3, no resizable bar setup would probably be the most interesting for people shopping around. It could help establish a more well-rounded idea of what to expect.
This is exactly the info im looking for. A card on an overkill system tells me nothing if ur not going to change the pcie or turn off resizable bar. Boring....
@@B4Astudios There's a surprising dearth of information about this. The only "pcie 3.0, resizable bart turned off" tests I've seen come from the more expensive intel gpu cards, that ostensibly get bought by people who have very robust and up-to-date system. The a-b-comparison will probably come at some point, but I don't get the feeling that this particular channel does a lot of circling-back/follow-ups to videos they post, so hopefully some smaller channel will go through the trouble.
The A380 is perfect for so many budget rig setups and a really nice middleground for a living room self build console running SteamOS. Honestly for $100 you cannot go wrong here, you must keep in mind it's got 6GB of VRAM which puts it higher than the majority of budget GPUs which all have around 4GB, like the 6500XT or GTX 1630 for example.
good card, im a streamer and wanted a second computer to handle the stream. was planning on waiting till hardware got better to upgrade my gaming pc and use the old one as a stream pc. but for the prices nowadays, its not worth it. instead got this, a used office pc which came with its own monitor, mouse and keyboard, and got a 250gb ssd to put a inactivated windows 10 on. a full pc that easily handles what i throw at it and some light video editing so my main PC can still be used, all for less then $300
I'm looking for the AsRock ARC a380 low profile version too. Specifically in the Japan region. This is the perfect gpu I'm looking for because the rtx a2000 is too pricey for me and rx6400, gtx 1650 they don't meet my requirements properly. But sadly there's no listing for the LP a380 anywhere :')
I love the a380 I have it paired with an i5-12400f 16gigs of ram on a ASRock z690 motherboard it's a great little guest gaming system and I spent less than 400 on her
@@maverickvgc4220it's possible those are extra parts left over after an upgrade. Given it's being used as a guest gaming PC, I'd say that's even likely. Regardless, if it was $400 total for the build it doesn't matter, that's still not bad for a entry-level gaming PC.
old stuff like Optiplexes and ThinkCenters would greatly nerf the card's potential, due to the lack of resizable bar and pcie4 x16. A budget build with a modern i3 or ryzen has more sense
I bought an a380for $130 about the time of its release. I put it into my windows based Plex server. I sometimes play games on it and I’m always surprised how good it is sometimes… except that month that halo infinite wouldn’t play. It was fixed by a driver update. Still annoying for that month.
These cards will never be a good option to pair with older tech, and yet their actual value to a consumer relies on that very principal. Like most bottom budget cards, these are e-waste. The only way I am wrong is if Intel lied about needing to have Resizable BAR to get real performance. I know intel can be dumb, but probably not that dumb.
Would love to see the performance of the low profile with a budget Optiplex build! But just like ETA I have not been able to get my hands on one of those either to add it to my boys Dell Optiplex 😢
Definitely do an A380 budget build! I love budget builds, they're so much more interesting than top tier builds which all end up performing almost identical because there are so few options at the top of the pyramid. It'll be an RTX 4090 or 4080, or a 7900 XTX, and then a top tier CPU, usually a 7800/7950X3D or 13900Kx, and some fast RAM and SSD. Wow, so exciting. With budget builds the options and routes are so much more plentiful, and the end result can very greatly in performance based on how good one is at picking the right parts, instead of just picking the fastest parts that money can currently buy.
Do not buy this card and put it in any PC that doesn’t have resizable bar support. You will lose another 40% performance without resizable bar. This means if you are running a Dell Optiplex, HP, Acer or any other OEM PC….this card will be absolute junk and you won’t get this kind of performance shown in the video.
that's actually amazing for what it is.... playing 1080P Medium on most games look great. I would love to see some more on this gpu. I am very excited for intel in the gpu space. they have a long way ahead but they've accomplished so much in so short a time (in the dedicated GPU space)
I like the Idea & the Price. Might be worth it after they mature their Drivers some more, Compatibility Issues are among the worst Headaches for a Guy like me who Plays Games spanning over 30 Years. I still play the Old stuff a lot & some new games as well, so for me I fear I would have a lot of Headaches.
@@InfernosReaper yeah that would be another issue because most PCs that would be a good fit for something this Price have no Resizable Bar option in the Bios
I'd like to see you try the Optiplex 9020 with the i7 4790 + A380 run Starfield 🤯 (Drivers have been released so ARC GPUs can run Starfield now, looks like they'll do another update in the future also for more stability and better performance). Also Gigabyte have released a RTX 4060 8gb OC low profile card, Amazon UK has it listed for £326 needs a min. 300 Watt PSU (Techpowerup but says 450 watt PSU on Gigas website) but would be pretty awesome to see it in a SFF build or in Dell OptiPlex 9020 MT which has a 290W PSU you'll need Sata to 8 Pin cable.
Bad idea. Arc GPUs a drastically hampered without resizable bar which wasn't available before intel 12th gen, I believe. Therefore the only use case for this is for a computer with a 12100f or 13100f. Excellent super budget option, don't get me wrong but for older hardware that need small, pinless GPU upgrade solutions, the best option new is still the rx 6400.
No contest, the RX580 would absolutely spank the A380. An RX470 would still beat out this card. The A380 is a deal because of it's power management for older PCs where you might be able to skip a PSU upgrade and save some money.
You know I haven't seen too many HP workstations used in budget builds. It would be cool to see one of those. I have a HP z230 but I know the 240's and up came with a bigger PSU.
if you could get the LP for $100 US this would be great for refurb i5/6500 business machines that you can pick up cheap, but I have not found a listing for the LP either
No way. If you don’t have a system with resizable bar support you lose 40% performance right off the bat with Intel GPUs. This card sucks in Dell machines because they don’t have resizable bar support. He fails to mention this and it makes the video very misleading. He paired the card with a Ryzen 7700 cpu FFS. Do not buy this card and try to put it in an OEM machine like Dell Optiplex or HP, or Acer, or anything like that. You’ll be very disappointed when you’re gaming at 720p low.
@@AntiGrieferGames without resizable bar, Intel Arc A380 is worse than a GTX 750. You are wrong. Do not buy an Arc GPU if you have a CPU older than an Intel 10th gen or older than a Ryzen 3000 series
I am not sure on the AMD stuff but the Intel has to have the ability to turn on resizable bar. I think that is around Intel 10 gen up not sure maybe 9 up. I mostly use AMD so I know the 5000 and 7000 boards have resizable bar. I just put together a Intel Z690 12gen I7K system and think of putting a either a Arc A770 16gb or a RTX 4060 8bb card in it. I just do not want to go over that $300 for a new card. I just cringe thinking about putting in a 8gb card in a new build.
I have been looking at mini PC's, but I have my wifes old ITX build laying around with a intel i5 socket 1150 MB and have thought about adding this video card to breath a little life into it. Do you think this card would work in that setup? Thank you
Since you have that 7700X PC can you make a video where you compare it to one of GPD's handheld using the same GPU (using oculink for the handheld)? It's crazy that nobody made a video comparing the 7840U devices to a 7700X build now that they can actually work as a desktop replacement.
I really hope we get those other form factoers soon. The half height A380 is supposed to be out already, and Intel partner with Matrox to make new SFF cards too. They have a two single slot A310 variant they're making too, but I can't imagine they'll be very good 😕hopefully they'll be like Matrox's last consumer card, which was the same die as the RX 460(?) but performed better in every way
For being meant to do battle in the GT1030, and RX6400 class, it doesn't do too bad. The major problem is the ReBAR requirement. Chances are, if your PC is new enough to support ReBAR, it's too good to need an A380. A380 is also really hard to buy, whereas its competition is readily available at any electronics retailer. For the use case of slamming a bottom spec GPU into an e-waste Dell Optiplex, RX6400 is hard to beat.
AMD RX-6600m from AliExpress go for less than $100 now, I think they're better value than Intel and have better compatability. 8GB GDDR5, very low wattage. I just wish they'd make a low-profile version, should be easy to do with a mobile GPU.
New budget build.... I think it was paired with a i5 or R5 chip and 16GB of RAM with a one terabyte nvme ssd, you would probably have a decent computer. The i3 or R3 would probably be a better bet for "budget" though. I would like to see it ran under both windows and Linux.... Thank you for making your videos; Monte
Sorry ETA, usally i really enjoy your Videos but this is hugely misleading. The Arc Cards have 3 Problems. They only support low level APIs, everything else is just emulation, the memory Controller needs ReBAR to work properly, the Intel driver has a high CPU Overhead, so packing it into an old optiplex with an old Ivy Bridge i5 or similar would maybe destroys the performance completely, especially in older Games. It might even been slower then an old Pascal or Polaris Card. Either you proof the opposite, otherwise please be careful with your recommendations
When it comes to overclocking the ARC cards, the "GPU Performance Boost" slider is not in MHz! If i give my a770 a +15 on the slider, it gains 47MHz, so try smaller steps =)
Problem is the fact that that card has 96 bit bus. With 128 bit bus, it would be great with 6 GB. Intel should stop waste money and focus with 3 types. 128 bit busfor the entry, 192 for performance and 256 bit for high. The gpu doesn't need to be fastest and greatest. Just competitive.
Calling it 1080p when upscaling from what(?), 480p? I think that's a bit misleading. Super soft image or a lot of shimmering it seems. I wouldn't wanna play my games like that. Not AAA titles atleast.
@8:27 Lol spiderman showing 7.7 gb of vram usage on a 6 gb card. Intel REALLY needs to fix the vram leak problem with their drivers. This affects a lot of other games as well like deathloop which are completely broken on the a380 due to this issue.
Can this card be run from a 6 Pin power connector via an adapter? It itself has an 8 Pin connector but my 500W power supply offers only a 6 Pin one, which should be plenty enough for the 75W this card draws...
Given the performance level vs used GPUs for the same price that absolutely destroy it ... hell no. --- Especially with the ongoing bugs and BS from Intel's drivers.
I am very confuse guys i have an low pc power supply from hp coming with i5 7500 amd 8gb ddr4 the problem is the rx 5700 xt is 100 dollars in yhe used market and it is in good condition Then what will i do if i go with A380 is very good choice or buy a new powersupply with rx 5700 xt 8gb I know that it is overkill for gen 7 i5 but i am planning to make this card with me till i buy new good pc build
im still running a GTX 760 from 2011 on my i9-9900k, havnt upgraded cause I havnt found a small enough and cheap enough card to buy, im on the lookout for the low profile version!
I hear you on that low profile A380. 10 years ago people were juuuust barely getting into boutique ITX cases and builds. I feel like the market is rife for a 75w low profile affordable champion.
I have one on a i7 from gen 11 and run allmost all games on it (Medium settings), i will like to know how this card work on a gen 6 o gen 7 intel processors because these type of computers are really cheap on Amazon... i saw one i5 from gen 6 around 75 USD but i have the doubt about how this card works on old processors without the resizable bar....
No point in using this in an old pc that doesn’t support resizeable bar as you loose 50% of the performance without it. In a budget new build using a Ryzen 5600 it delivers solid performance and lots of bang for your buck with the latest drivers.
Problem with this card is that it causes flickering on UA-cam. It’s only merit is to use as video encoder, with a a ryzen 7 5600 G, using the built in graphics for actual monitor viewing
Bro how about Razer phone in 2023 is it have usb 3.0 port for video out, and is project linda released or dropped. Bcoz I can't get more information of that lapdock. But it was wonderful idea created by razer
until you can get it everywhere, and the typical price is $99 (not an on sale price), I don't find it interesting at all. AMD APUs may as well be your go to, till you can afford a suitable GPU.
You can find the low-profile card in Switzerland where I am actually live, but the price is very high, more than 140 $, normally the gpu and electronic price in Switzerland are not high. Have a nice day.
These cards require ReBAR to be enabled to be usable in games, so a SFF card would be a no-go in an older SFF PC, and I'd be shocked if you didn't already know that.
Reviews of graphics cards everywhere need to start to include some stats for AI usage, video encoding and power efficiency. This focus on purely game performance ignores that gpu are not just for game engines any more.
I'd like to see it be built with new budget parts. Maybe with something like the latest Core i3 CPUs. I bet it would do wonders in something like that.
Yeah that would awesome I kind of want to do that.
A very tight budget build will really be nice.
The latest i3 are not that cheap
Latest i3 chips are pretty good for gaming I used to own the 10100 and it was great
@@ukm6yik69the 12th and 13th gen i3’s are amazing for gaming and for the price
A sff Optiplex and comparison to a rx6400 would be sweet. You would need to leave the side off though. The 8 pin would also be a problem
The low-profile A380 doesn't require an 8-pin connection as it only draws 45 watts. I have the AsRock version and installed it in an old Lenovo E34 SFF and it works quite well.
the 12500t ebay is 150 bucks an asrock B660M PRO RS LGA 1700 Intel B660 SATA 6Gb/s DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard is 100 bucks and ram less than 50 bucks for 32gb that is like the best pound per pound as far as prices
Please do also for 4060 low profile
Important thing with Intel GPUs is to have rebar, which makes it a bad option for old systems since they dont have rebar.
bout to hunt for one for a optiflex build..
This card would be better without the power connector.
Not sure if you covered it or glossed over, but these Intel Arc cards, especially the A380 have AV1 encoding. If I had a tiny editing box, or used handbrake a lot, this card would be my #1 pick. The benchmarks out there are crazy good for a 100$ video card.
I take huge issue with how companies are using things like FSR and DLSS as an excuse to just not target a reasonable performance level or optimize their games PROPERLY... but that said, I feel this is where these technologies may shine. Making a $50-99 GPU perform "eh, okayish" or acceptably with higher end games. Enough to at least keep things playable. Likewise, older hardware having more longevity.
@@WhiteG60 It feels like nvidia plans to make their cards only run with dlss on.
I don't like that it uses an 8-pin PCIe power connector. You would think that at 75 watts(or less), this gpu could just run off of PCIe bus power.
Would be nice that it doesn't need the 8-pin but have had some bad luck with cards that pull a full 75 watts from the mainboard. Intel also is probably using one board design for several cards cheaper to just leave the plug.
Yeah I'd rather get a 1630 over this😂
Or even used 1650
The Gunnir A380 INDEX runs on slot power alone but it seems pretty rare.
Yeah, cuts out an option for brand computers like Dell with proprietary psu connectors😊
Ditto.. I have gtx1650 and has been looking for upgrade for my cheap system with weak power supply (so PCIe power only). Would like to see how A380 compares.
I hope these Intel cards get good and become popular. Nice to have something else to choose from besides NVIDIA and RADEON.
Yes build a budget pc with this card... a 3rd gen i5 maybe
It makes ZERO sense to go with anything before a 6'th gen i5 MINIMUM they are $20 and mobos are anywhere from 15 (if you dont mind using oems) to 40$ for a cheaper board that still has M.2 Support. Makes MUCH more sense to do a budget build with an optiplex 7040 motherboard and have to press f1 for whatever every time you boot up (or just jump some pins and get around that) than to go with a 3'rd gen i-anything. For a budget build 6'th gen upgrade path is good too considering a 6'th gen i7 has the same fps as an 10'th gen i3) . If you don't mind using a (if your going to do this at-least try and make sure it's a dual sata) sata to 6/8 pin or using something like the GTX 1650 or the RTX A2000 that doesn't require external power you could save even more money and get an optiplex PSU for like $15. 500GB NVME's are $25 right now on ebay. Actually even a $40 case on newegg that comes with a $400 watt psu so yeah there ya go if you don't want to use the dell psu. $115 before your gpu. To keep this a SUPER budget build throw a used 5700XT in there for $100 (considering a 1650 costs about the same it would be stupid to go with something that shitty unless you need too) for $215 or while still keeping it a SUPER budget build but a slightly more expensive one, go with a used 1080ti.@@redjohn138
Keep in mind, that without resizable bar support, the performance will be pretty bad. So these are a terrible option of older OEM systems, or even newer systems if they can't enable resizable bar.
Yeah, sadly. Otherwise, I'd have gotten one for my older ryzen build instead of being stuck with the 1050ti I already had.
What's a re sizeable bar?
@@jinxterx It's a setting in the system BIOS that allows the GPU to negotiate the Base Address Register (BAR) size to optimize resources. It can result in a performance improvement, but for Intel GPU's it's a must to have it enabled. If it's disabled, there will be a VERY noticeable performance decrease, to the point that they're not recommended for older systems, or any system that can't enable that feature.
@@InfernosReaper I do a lot with older systems, and it's a real shame. Intel had the chance to really scoop up market share with the budget gamer crowd, but no dice.
@@TheGameBench Thanks for the explanation :D
What are the emulator benchmarks like?
Def curious as well.... interested in the low profile version
I think emulators are generally more CPU dependent than GPU
Totally curious myself.
Probably better to check a channel that specialises in emulator benchmarks
It will works on this gpu, he didn't put emulation benchmark on purpose
tldr
A380 is an - technically - GTX 1650 / RX 6400 BUT with XeSS, not missing encoders / decoders (khem AMD...) and 2GB more of vram
faster ram. most 1650's have gddr5 while A380 uses gdddr6
to bad its still need power connectors for this card =_=a
@@zagyu there ARE a380 that does not require power connectors
@@hzsid8733 fun note - GTX 1650 GDDR5 is better than GTX 1650 GDDR6 XD
GDDR6 version have only 128b bus, while GDDR5 one has 192b bus :|
that is 128GB/s vs 192GB/s
@@Karti200Are you sure?
Because I checked the listing on Wikipedia, and all 1650 variants are on 128 bit bus (be it GDDR5 or GDDR6).
It's the 1660 which is listed to have 192 bit bus.
Be sure to pair this on budget systems that support ReBar. Performance tanks without it. 10th+ gen intel or 5000/7000 Ryzen. Check your motherboard if it supports rebar.
I think it would be great to build something on a budget but using only new parts... I would love to see what kind of build we can have and how low can we go without compromising performance...great video.
What about Linux performance with an Intel Arc gpu? Is AMD still the leader compared to this by a mile, or is Intel catching up?
I thought you had to enable resizeable bar in order for ARC cards to work properly. If so, an older optiplex wouldn’t work since they don’t have that feature. Also would be nice to see other fighting games like Guilty Gear Strive or Granblue Fanyasy Versus. Don’t get me wrong, I love SF6 but a change every once in a while wouldn’t hurt. I love your videos, especially small form factor budget builds. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Yeah. It's a little too soon. I wouldn't consider the 7080 series old for at least 2 more years. I would expect the hit from lack of rebar to scale though. This card will probably take a smaller hit to performance compared to the more powerful cards.
Resizable BAR was introduced with the Intel 9th generation CPUs. ARC cards will work without resizable BAR, but take a 25-30% performance penalty compared to having it enabled.
You could mail him a turd and he'd find some way to give it a good review. The fact that he doesn't know about the ReBAR requirement says he shouldn't be "reviewing" GPUs.
@@colindunn9964The cards suffer from frame timing issues without it enabled, it'd be a miserable experience for anyone but the most oblivious gamers. There's also the fact that most OEM UEFI won't even surface an advanced option like enabling ReBAR and Above 4G.
about 10% more or less. The 25% dont show up unless its older games like dx11 - 9
I'm not so sure this card is good for an older OptiPlex due to its need for Resizeable BAR. Would definitely be interesting to see how it actually performs, though!
Bingo. People watching this video are going to think that their old Optiplex 3060 with an i5-8500 that has no resizable bar support is going to give the same frame rates for $100. I love this channel, but this is the most misleading video he’s ever made. He makes no mention of “I am using the highest performance CPU I possibly can, and you will never achieve these frame rates with your old eBay Optiplex.”
@@bleeb1347the test rig clearly indicates Ryzen 7000 series CPU with 6400mhz DDR ram, he also mentions the system is overkill for the GPU
I mean come on no shit @@bleeb1347
For an older Optiplex the best options with no PSU upgrade are GTX 1650 G6 and RX 6400, both available used for ~$100. With a $50 500W PSU upgrade +$10 MoBo power adapter, a used ~$110 RX 5600 is the next bump in performance and sets you up for a better GPU *but* then you'll be running out of CPU power unless you have a Core i5-8400 or better.
@@bleeb1347 That's a hell of a thrust in ETA's direction, considering he mentioned 3x the word "overkill," and fully explained the test rig and why he's using it.
Edit: and ended the video saying "Like I mentioned before, this test rig is a bit overkill, let me know if you guys' wanna see a BUDGET build for the A380."
Oof... Newegg... I still remember the damaged garbage they sold me.
Also, if you're going to do a round-2 test on this card, I'd suggest you run it with the latest drivers (the ones in this video), but on a system with PCIE 3.0, and no resizable bar. A lot of people who are looking for a Low Profile GPU are people who - like me - has bought an old office PC. I have a fairly new one (HP Prodesk 600 G5), and even though it has a 9th gen Intel, it has neither PCIE-4 nor resizable-bar capability.
As far as I've read, a lot of the impressive gains that the A380 gpu has achieved seem to come from the combination of PCIE-4 and resizable Bar. This gives the card a bit of a skewed perception in terms of what can be achieved, for people looking for an LP card for their older, office-pc:s, when compared to something like an RX 6400 or the older 1650 models. Both these cards seem to have hit their full potential, whereas the a380/intel cards in general (?) appear to get dramatically better on an update-by-update basis.
But if this is wholly contingent on having PCIE-4 and resizable-bar capability (two features I suspect isn't super-common knowledge), then that might give some customers a faulty sense of what to expect, if the setup they're shopping for has neither of these things (and they might not even be aware of that fact).
So a compare and contrast-trial of A380, with the latest drivers, in a PCIE-4 + Resizable Bar system, compared to latest drivers in a PCIE-3, no resizable bar setup would probably be the most interesting for people shopping around. It could help establish a more well-rounded idea of what to expect.
This is exactly the info im looking for. A card on an overkill system tells me nothing if ur not going to change the pcie or turn off resizable bar. Boring....
@@B4Astudios There's a surprising dearth of information about this. The only "pcie 3.0, resizable bart turned off" tests I've seen come from the more expensive intel gpu cards, that ostensibly get bought by people who have very robust and up-to-date system.
The a-b-comparison will probably come at some point, but I don't get the feeling that this particular channel does a lot of circling-back/follow-ups to videos they post, so hopefully some smaller channel will go through the trouble.
Where? Where are they 100$???? ffs
This paired with a 12100F or a Ryzen 5 5500 would be an interesting Budget emulation PC
The A380 is perfect for so many budget rig setups and a really nice middleground for a living room self build console running SteamOS.
Honestly for $100 you cannot go wrong here, you must keep in mind it's got 6GB of VRAM which puts it higher than the majority of budget GPUs which all have around 4GB, like the 6500XT or GTX 1630 for example.
1630 isn't a graphics card its a video card LOL
If it wasn't for the Resizeable Bar requirement, I'd love to get the low profile A380 for my i7-3770 SFF ThinkCentre.
Always looking for ways to game for a good price. So a budget build with this card would be great to see!
good card, im a streamer and wanted a second computer to handle the stream. was planning on waiting till hardware got better to upgrade my gaming pc and use the old one as a stream pc. but for the prices nowadays, its not worth it. instead got this, a used office pc which came with its own monitor, mouse and keyboard, and got a 250gb ssd to put a inactivated windows 10 on. a full pc that easily handles what i throw at it and some light video editing so my main PC can still be used, all for less then $300
With Cyberpunk i was shocked how it run great. For a 100$ card that is amazing
I'm looking for the AsRock ARC a380 low profile version too. Specifically in the Japan region. This is the perfect gpu I'm looking for because the rtx a2000 is too pricey for me and rx6400, gtx 1650 they don't meet my requirements properly. But sadly there's no listing for the LP a380 anywhere :')
I love the a380 I have it paired with an i5-12400f 16gigs of ram on a ASRock z690 motherboard it's a great little guest gaming system and I spent less than 400 on her
I don't know if i'm more annoied by the expensive z690 MoBo with a 12400f or how massively underperforming the GPU is compared to the CPU.
@@maverickvgc4220it's possible those are extra parts left over after an upgrade. Given it's being used as a guest gaming PC, I'd say that's even likely. Regardless, if it was $400 total for the build it doesn't matter, that's still not bad for a entry-level gaming PC.
old stuff like Optiplexes and ThinkCenters would greatly nerf the card's potential, due to the lack of resizable bar and pcie4 x16. A budget build with a modern i3 or ryzen has more sense
I bought an a380for $130 about the time of its release. I put it into my windows based Plex server. I sometimes play games on it and I’m always surprised how good it is sometimes… except that month that halo infinite wouldn’t play. It was fixed by a driver update. Still annoying for that month.
Welcome to beta testing, haha.
🤘👍👍👍🎥💥 Great video as always! How does your channel attract so many viewers? Many guys would like to have such a popularity... (including me...).
We came for the emulation, then stayed because of dedication.
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But we really do miss the emulation 😞
These cards will never be a good option to pair with older tech, and yet their actual value to a consumer relies on that very principal. Like most bottom budget cards, these are e-waste. The only way I am wrong is if Intel lied about needing to have Resizable BAR to get real performance. I know intel can be dumb, but probably not that dumb.
Would love to see the performance of the low profile with a budget Optiplex build! But just like ETA I have not been able to get my hands on one of those either to add it to my boys Dell Optiplex 😢
I got a 2060 super as my first card. Payed $130
Definitely do an A380 budget build! I love budget builds, they're so much more interesting than top tier builds which all end up performing almost identical because there are so few options at the top of the pyramid. It'll be an RTX 4090 or 4080, or a 7900 XTX, and then a top tier CPU, usually a 7800/7950X3D or 13900Kx, and some fast RAM and SSD. Wow, so exciting.
With budget builds the options and routes are so much more plentiful, and the end result can very greatly in performance based on how good one is at picking the right parts, instead of just picking the fastest parts that money can currently buy.
Really neat video!
Maybe try a budget build with it? i3-13100F Maybe? 8GB of RAM? Idk.. lol.
Please don't let the price shoot up after this video, I was waiting for Black Friday to buy it.
Do not buy this card and put it in any PC that doesn’t have resizable bar support. You will lose another 40% performance without resizable bar. This means if you are running a Dell Optiplex, HP, Acer or any other OEM PC….this card will be absolute junk and you won’t get this kind of performance shown in the video.
@@bleeb1347 I have a ryzen 5 4500 with a Gigabyte A520M S2H motherboard. I searched but couldn't find if it has rebar
The 30% code is availaible only till August.. Video uploaded in September..🤯
I preferred an RX 5700 for 120 bucks but its very good for price.
Probably going to unsubscribe soon if all this stuff keeps getting shown without emulation, I’m mostly here for emulation
this one is clearly a pay add the latest videos are only product showcases
Agree
that's actually amazing for what it is.... playing 1080P Medium on most games look great. I would love to see some more on this gpu. I am very excited for intel in the gpu space. they have a long way ahead but they've accomplished so much in so short a time (in the dedicated GPU space)
In my country, this gpu still arround $180~ :(
Bro its already September so isnt that deal done with? 🏆💚👊
In Germany I see the low profile card listed for several sellers for a bit over 150€. You should be able to buy one soon in the US.
U said that u want to throw inside ur pc & then ur just fixin it.
😒😒😒😒😒😒
How many FPS do you get on Womb Raider?😂
I like the Idea & the Price. Might be worth it after they mature their Drivers some more, Compatibility Issues are among the worst Headaches for a Guy like me who Plays Games spanning over 30 Years. I still play the Old stuff a lot & some new games as well, so for me I fear I would have a lot of Headaches.
the rebar issue's the bigger problem, only newer hardware(and not even all of it) supports it.
@@InfernosReaper yeah that would be another issue because most PCs that would be a good fit for something this Price have no Resizable Bar option in the Bios
I'd like to see you try the Optiplex 9020 with the i7 4790 + A380 run Starfield 🤯
(Drivers have been released so ARC GPUs can run Starfield now, looks like they'll do another update in the future also for more stability and better performance).
Also Gigabyte have released a RTX 4060 8gb OC low profile card, Amazon UK has it listed for £326 needs a min. 300 Watt PSU (Techpowerup but says 450 watt PSU on Gigas website) but would be pretty awesome to see it in a SFF build or in Dell OptiPlex 9020 MT which has a 290W PSU you'll need Sata to 8 Pin cable.
Bad idea. Arc GPUs a drastically hampered without resizable bar which wasn't available before intel 12th gen, I believe. Therefore the only use case for this is for a computer with a 12100f or 13100f. Excellent super budget option, don't get me wrong but for older hardware that need small, pinless GPU upgrade solutions, the best option new is still the rx 6400.
@@culo9999 Thanks, didn't know about the ReBar issue with Arc GPUs.
Genshin impact is better on that pc than starfield
I have a 9020 i7 but I use a GTX 1650 Super with mine. I have 700 watt psu so I could upgrade even more.
@@AntiGrieferGames What GPU do u have in the 9020?
Can it emulate mr. ETA PRIME?
How does it perform in emulation? Can it run PS3 games?
Yes it can, he didn't tested on emulation purpose
I would like to see a performance comparison between the Arc A380 and the RX 580.
I came to ask this same question.
No contest, the RX580 would absolutely spank the A380. An RX470 would still beat out this card. The A380 is a deal because of it's power management for older PCs where you might be able to skip a PSU upgrade and save some money.
You know I haven't seen too many HP workstations used in budget builds. It would be cool to see one of those. I have a HP z230 but I know the 240's and up came with a bigger PSU.
if you could get the LP for $100 US this would be great for refurb i5/6500 business machines that you can pick up cheap, but I have not found a listing for the LP either
No way. If you don’t have a system with resizable bar support you lose 40% performance right off the bat with Intel GPUs. This card sucks in Dell machines because they don’t have resizable bar support. He fails to mention this and it makes the video very misleading. He paired the card with a Ryzen 7700 cpu FFS. Do not buy this card and try to put it in an OEM machine like Dell Optiplex or HP, or Acer, or anything like that. You’ll be very disappointed when you’re gaming at 720p low.
@@bleeb1347 It performs still better than 750 ti wdym do you got evidence of that?
@@AntiGrieferGames without resizable bar, Intel Arc A380 is worse than a GTX 750. You are wrong. Do not buy an Arc GPU if you have a CPU older than an Intel 10th gen or older than a Ryzen 3000 series
@@bleeb1347 give me evidence
No Starfield for you, sir.
I am not sure on the AMD stuff but the Intel has to have the ability to turn on resizable bar. I think that is around Intel 10 gen up not sure maybe 9 up. I mostly use AMD so I know the 5000 and 7000 boards have resizable bar. I just put together a Intel Z690 12gen I7K system and think of putting a either a Arc A770 16gb or a RTX 4060 8bb card in it. I just do not want to go over that $300 for a new card. I just cringe thinking about putting in a 8gb card in a new build.
I have been looking at mini PC's, but I have my wifes old ITX build laying around with a intel i5 socket 1150 MB and have thought about adding this video card to breath a little life into it.
Do you think this card would work in that setup? Thank you
Since you have that 7700X PC can you make a video where you compare it to one of GPD's handheld using the same GPU (using oculink for the handheld)?
It's crazy that nobody made a video comparing the 7840U devices to a 7700X build now that they can actually work as a desktop replacement.
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Do you think this would be capable to run DCS (Digital Combat Simulations)?
I really hope we get those other form factoers soon. The half height A380 is supposed to be out already, and Intel partner with Matrox to make new SFF cards too. They have a two single slot A310 variant they're making too, but I can't imagine they'll be very good 😕hopefully they'll be like Matrox's last consumer card, which was the same die as the RX 460(?) but performed better in every way
As rock makes a sff one
For being meant to do battle in the GT1030, and RX6400 class, it doesn't do too bad. The major problem is the ReBAR requirement. Chances are, if your PC is new enough to support ReBAR, it's too good to need an A380. A380 is also really hard to buy, whereas its competition is readily available at any electronics retailer. For the use case of slamming a bottom spec GPU into an e-waste Dell Optiplex, RX6400 is hard to beat.
AMD RX-6600m from AliExpress go for less than $100 now, I think they're better value than Intel and have better compatability. 8GB GDDR5, very low wattage. I just wish they'd make a low-profile version, should be easy to do with a mobile GPU.
New budget build....
I think it was paired with a i5 or R5 chip and 16GB of RAM with a one terabyte nvme ssd, you would probably have a decent computer. The i3 or R3 would probably be a better bet for "budget" though.
I would like to see it ran under both windows and Linux....
Thank you for making your videos;
Monte
Sorry ETA, usally i really enjoy your Videos but this is hugely misleading. The Arc Cards have 3 Problems. They only support low level APIs, everything else is just emulation, the memory Controller needs ReBAR to work properly, the Intel driver has a high CPU Overhead, so packing it into an old optiplex with an old Ivy Bridge i5 or similar would maybe destroys the performance completely, especially in older Games. It might even been slower then an old Pascal or Polaris Card. Either you proof the opposite, otherwise please be careful with your recommendations
Yeah. We waiting for the low-profile version of the Intel Arc A380 with no PCIe power connector. Like NVIDIA Quadro RTX A2000 and AMD Radeon RX 6400.
When it comes to overclocking the ARC cards, the "GPU Performance Boost" slider is not in MHz! If i give my a770 a +15 on the slider, it gains 47MHz, so try smaller steps =)
Problem is the fact that that card has 96 bit bus. With 128 bit bus, it would be great with 6 GB. Intel should stop waste money and focus with 3 types. 128 bit busfor the entry, 192 for performance and 256 bit for high. The gpu doesn't need to be fastest and greatest. Just competitive.
Calling it 1080p when upscaling from what(?), 480p? I think that's a bit misleading. Super soft image or a lot of shimmering it seems. I wouldn't wanna play my games like that. Not AAA titles atleast.
@8:27 Lol spiderman showing 7.7 gb of vram usage on a 6 gb card. Intel REALLY needs to fix the vram leak problem with their drivers. This affects a lot of other games as well like deathloop which are completely broken on the a380 due to this issue.
Can this card be run from a 6 Pin power connector via an adapter? It itself has an 8 Pin connector but my 500W power supply offers only a 6 Pin one, which should be plenty enough for the 75W this card draws...
How would this card compare with GTX 1650 Super?
Given the performance level vs used GPUs for the same price that absolutely destroy it ... hell no. --- Especially with the ongoing bugs and BS from Intel's drivers.
I am very confuse guys i have an low pc power supply from hp coming with i5 7500 amd 8gb ddr4 the problem is the rx 5700 xt is 100 dollars in yhe used market and it is in good condition
Then what will i do if i go with A380 is very good choice or buy a new powersupply with rx 5700 xt 8gb
I know that it is overkill for gen 7 i5 but i am planning to make this card with me till i buy new good pc build
Yes, pls show a uber low end budget build with this card, using new parts. Maybe pair with RX5000 lowest end CPU. CPU stock fan, no AIO.
Was this with SAM/ReBar enabled? That would make a big difference, I assume, in an Optiplex budget build. The LP is widely available now .
im still running a GTX 760 from 2011 on my i9-9900k, havnt upgraded cause I havnt found a small enough and cheap enough card to buy, im on the lookout for the low profile version!
At that price point you're just better going used, you can get a 5600XT, maybe even a 5700
The trouble there is finding a genuine used 5600XT card, and not something cheap that’s been flashed to look like a 5600XT to the OS
@@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esqthere's plenty of them on eBay, FB marketplace and local platforms, it's not some 1050ti from AliExpress.
Used Market isn't good in every country.
There are a lot of scams going on in Used Market, which is hard to justify it for many.
@@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esq no it isnt, people sell used cards theyre trying to get rid of.
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Just don't buy from china lmao
I hear you on that low profile A380. 10 years ago people were juuuust barely getting into boutique ITX cases and builds. I feel like the market is rife for a 75w low profile affordable champion.
I have one on a i7 from gen 11 and run allmost all games on it (Medium settings), i will like to know how this card work on a gen 6 o gen 7 intel processors because these type of computers are really cheap on Amazon... i saw one i5 from gen 6 around 75 USD but i have the doubt about how this card works on old processors without the resizable bar....
I'd like to see it running with an i3 10105f and an i5 12400, 16GB, 1TB SSD ... Those are great budget platforms for 1080p
No point in using this in an old pc that doesn’t support resizeable bar as you loose 50% of the performance without it. In a budget new build using a Ryzen 5600 it delivers solid performance and lots of bang for your buck with the latest drivers.
Problem with this card is that it causes flickering on UA-cam. It’s only merit is to use as video encoder, with a a ryzen 7 5600 G, using the built in graphics for actual monitor viewing
Bro how about Razer phone in 2023 is it have usb 3.0 port for video out, and is project linda released or dropped. Bcoz I can't get more information of that lapdock.
But it was wonderful idea created by razer
I honestly think anything over an R5 5600 on the AMD side, and an i5-12500 on the Intel side would be way overkill to pair with this GPU tbh. Lol.
until you can get it everywhere, and the typical price is $99 (not an on sale price), I don't find it interesting at all. AMD APUs may as well be your go to, till you can afford a suitable GPU.
You can find the low-profile card in Switzerland where I am actually live, but the price is very high, more than 140 $, normally the gpu and electronic price in Switzerland are not high. Have a nice day.
I mean it's basically a modern day GTX 970 in terms of performance, for $99 though I'm not sure how much that's worth it.
Considering one can just ebay up of a 970 for $50-75, it is a tough sell and a non-starter for anyone with a system that doesn't support rebar
Just spend the extra $50 and get something with double the capability! My 10 year old R9 270 still beats the A380.
These cards require ReBAR to be enabled to be usable in games, so a SFF card would be a no-go in an older SFF PC, and I'd be shocked if you didn't already know that.
As much as I appreciate Intel, this card is terrible. For $99 you can get a 16GB version of RX580.
I have the ASRock low profile on order right now I will be excited when it comes in!
please test it to running stable Diffusion, no other channel i search has test it, you may be the first
You're a lifesaver. I was gonna dig for buried treasure just to get an RX6600XT, but then I saw your vid. Thanks.
Reviews of graphics cards everywhere need to start to include some stats for AI usage, video encoding and power efficiency. This focus on purely game performance ignores that gpu are not just for game engines any more.
is this card bhetter then my old card Asus DUAL-GTX1060-O6G
just saw a posting fot a LP asrock arc a310, on amazon, would love to see a comparison between the a380 and a310 great video
Is it much better than Ryzen APU? like would it be worth using for external graphics setup.
Still doesn't sound like a better deal than one of those Radeon RX 580s off Aliexpress for $60. Would like to see them go head to head though.