The Mahi in this drama is the worse kind of mother instead of protecting her son she is using him as a trophy - that’s the opposite of what a good mother would do… all she cares about is hurting Hurrem not wise even in today’s world.
No protection enquired. Commiting sensual intercorse was the following traditional rules and laws in the harem inside the Topkapi palace. On the contrary, a mother commanded these rules. A mother couldn't have restraint the conservative conventions otherwise it would've been deprivation of intemperance or immodesty.
Ibraham at it again- killing to hide his secrets, sins, betrayal to Hatice/ dynasty; sleeping with a married women- what writer came up with this character story
Historically, Ibrahim is killed for treason. I think they are setting him up for that. He abused his power and was called Sultan in Europe, I believe. The Sultan coulsn'r have that. Ibrahim wasn't content with the power the Sultan gave him.
two years passed since mahidevran and mustafa left and mustafa grew old by almost 10 years, like he is to look 16 not 26. this series has the most absurd time leaps edit: also do they imply aybige stayed there for TWO YEARS?! THE THRONE FIGHT WENT ON FOR 2 YEARS?! AYBIGE AND BALI BEY DIDNT FALL FOR EACH OTHER UNTILL TWO YEARS SINCE THEY MET?!!!! the ottomans prepared for the war for 24MONTHS??! dont get me started with how hurrem's children aged
what's the funniest thing is it took them 2 years just to prepare for a goddang war 🤣🤣🤣 it takes them more time to prepare for a campaign than stay in the campaign 😂 and of course mustafa's aging is beyond absurd. the previous actor looked like 13 years last time he appeared and now he looks like 30 or 35 years, or even 40 years old.
and suleimans aging is weird too, he looks like 50-55 years old when he was supposed to look 38 years old. they added too much beard to him that he looked like his late 50s but not a single pair of hair 😂
Future teller: the fish will turn into a dragon (it's hurrem sultan, both Ibrahim and mahidevran called her dragon later), someone will pass away soon (hafsa), the dragon will overcome all its enemies one by one! Then she looks at hurrem sultan. It's her!
Funny how far Fatma a d Fidan come from their beginning in the harem. From opposing sultana sides in harem to both supporting mahidevran who would have happily killed them to get ahead.
Hurrem should have told her concubines and gul aga that they will get the same pay from her secretely as not to stir up more trouble. Thats what i think anyway
Very unimaginative dialogue for Ibrahim in every scene in this series: he says Hich Khimse or Har khimse while grinding his teeth, followed by the context. It’s sooo predictable any time he faces a challenge
fortune telling is a big sin in Islam and believing in fortune telling is also a big sin, only Allah knows and plans what will happen in the future, they shouldn't have showed this in the show
And they don't drink alcohol? My Turkish neighbour next house is a huge wine connoisseur and my Lebanese friend (Sunni Moslem) as well. Also cheating on one's wife is considered death penalty according to Shariah. Nevertheless Pasha did exactly that.
aybige and bali bey had so much potential😩 like there is CHEMISTRY or maybe its my bias such a shame how they end up, they would've made such a wonderful couple UGH!👺 SUCH A PERFECT ENEMIES TO LOVERS TROPE THEY HAD 😭❤
Bali Bey willingly had no affection in Aybige. He had an indifferent passivity. Bali Bey had an underused hardship with Armin and it takes time to heal. Time heals all wounds. Anyway friendship may turn into situationship but not relationship. Intimacy doesn't always mean limerence. Inevitably it was an infatuation. It was temporary. Not an obsession.
It is wild to watch Fidan’s character trajectory. Like it is crazy where she is by season 4 and I still don’t quite see how she got there from here lol.
So…I absolutely dont understand the timelines. Aybige hatun stayed back for two years?? Mustafa left when he was probably 10 but returned looking atleast 25??
It’s a shame mustafa was killed by his dad’s guards trying to defend himself after Hurrem lied about him wanting to kill Majesty. His father was cheering on the guards while they were killing him… Hurrem raised her children to be jealous and they eventually killed each other after her death.
Girrlllllll nooooo,do you really😢?? 🙈 I on the other hand think the opposite again. I see where you are coming from, he does have beautiful eyes but I feel a lot of other traits are being hidden to actually conclude to me he is attractive but then again. Mustafa is also not that attractive, but I find him slightly more attractive than his father. The troubling thing is the age discrepancy, it makes his character look akward which also takes away from his looks. But it is just my take on it🙂
Behram pasha was so stoooooopid! He clearly had the upper hand. He couldve said that the proof is w someone if anythinf happens to me that person will give it to the sultan. Instead he.. oh my god. SO DUMB
After watching this show a couple of times, and first questioning the time warp i.e. Mustafa leaving and coming back looking like a full grown 30-year-old, 😉 I am just realizing that the creators are showing the advancement of time with the seasonal changes in the window scenes. And yet, there are the still the expected age progression inconsistencies that comes with every soap opera.
As much as I hate Ibrahim Pasha, he was sort of justified in killing Behran Pasha. Ibrahim has a wife and two children. Despite the fact that he cheated on his wife, he is still the Grand Vizier
Sultan & stupid tradition in harem ..make use women ..create enemies among them ..their children kil each other for the trone ...Actualy it happen not in that era but until 18 century ...palace all over the world ...😮😮😢
More than 8 years have passed being far away from the palace but still hurrem's hatred towards Mahi grew up even more !! I don't understand wtf is her problem? She even treats Mustafa like a roadside dog , what is her problem with a young boy?! *This is absurd*
She was gone for like a year, not even. What are you talking about? So lets get a quick show timeline (with spoilers later on) 1520 Suleiman took the throne 1521 Mehmed was born 1522 Mihrimah was born 1523 Ibrahim is named grand vizier 1524 Selim was born 1525 Bayezid was born 1526 Mohacs battle 1529 siege of Wien (again they kinda change that making the story bit weird) 1531 Hürrem gets married, Mahidevran leaves, Cihangir is born 1532 Mahidevran is back (this episode) Edit: theoretically speaking this could also be 1533 since they messed up the timeline so bady (SPOILERS) 1534 Valide dies 1535 The Persia 1536 Ibrahim dies 1539 Ayas dies 1541 Lütfi looses his power, Hürrem is taken, Hatice dies, Mehmed dies (In reality some of these never happened or happened at a diffrent year) 1544 Rüstem is named as grand vizier and of course the competition over Manisa between princes (The next in short because I don't want to write it all) 1553 Mustafa dies 1558 Hürrem dies 1561 Rüstem dies and Bayezid dies (I have a feeling they changed it to 1562 for no reason) 1565 Mehmed pasha becomes a grand vizier 1566 Suleiman †
They're just the same lol. Is only Hurrem at fault on this? It is Mahidevran who cursed her and say that she will return even stronger when he left. Then right now, it is still Hurrem? Shame on you girl 🤣 you can't even reply to me. You hated Hurrem and commented on every episode as if you're Mahidevran. Lol 🤣
See? Mahidevran and Validevil started it again, what are saying that Hurrem's hatred? She's the one who started it. She even paid Fatima Hatun to do something to Hurrem.
Maula Ali is the beloved cousin of our prophet Muhammad (saw) and great imam of muslims who is been called as the "GATE OF of THE CITY OF KNOWLEDGE". He has made tremendous sacrifices for Islam but unfortunately after the death of our beloved prophet (saw), people made him so much suffer and pain which is unbearable and unforgettable especially this MAWIYA even killed his almost 62 childrena including hazrat Hussain (a.s) that too by the son of MAWIYA ,YAZEED. He was truly a great HUMAN BEING History has ever witnessed. May Allah please with him and allow us to follow his noble path.(Ameen)
Valide plays too many games. She says she cares for the peace and order of harem but shes the one making trouble
can't agree more. she's so annoying to endure
Yeah, Valide straight up evil. Suleyman should have banished her and Mahidevran early on. Gulfem would have done a better job raising Mustafa.
Mustafa leaves for two years and comes back looking 30 years old
His real age back then was over 30 ....
He was a teenager at the time....i think.
@@plc031991it wasnt if you talk about Mustafa as a character. This is around 1532 so he would be 17
Ha ha ha😂😂😂
Time has apparently no relation to the story.
I don’t know about how Valide and Mahidevran treated their servants/allies but Hurrem was willing to do what she could for her people.
I totally agree you. Hurrem has a pure heart. She hurts back when they hurt her
Is that why she tried to kill her best friend Gunihal? She killed the Spanish princess.
The Mahi in this drama is the worse kind of mother instead of protecting her son she is using him as a trophy - that’s the opposite of what a good mother would do… all she cares about is hurting Hurrem not wise even in today’s world.
I'm sorry, protect him from what?
No protection enquired. Commiting sensual intercorse was the following traditional rules and laws in the harem inside the Topkapi palace. On the contrary, a mother commanded these rules. A mother couldn't have restraint the conservative conventions otherwise it would've been deprivation of intemperance or immodesty.
Yea, she ends up causing his death because of that
Right! By always crowing how her son is the crown prince, she put him directly in Hurrem's line of fire.
Ibraham at it again- killing to hide his secrets, sins, betrayal to Hatice/ dynasty; sleeping with a married women- what writer came up with this character story
Historically, Ibrahim is killed for treason. I think they are setting him up for that. He abused his power and was called Sultan in Europe, I believe. The Sultan coulsn'r have that. Ibrahim wasn't content with the power the Sultan gave him.
Bali Bey Chinese eyes and his golden tan skin make him stand out !!! Absolutely gorgeous
Bali *Bae* 🎉
So his slim tall body!
these aren't "chinese" eyes
these are turk eyes
@@KittyCatPaw99tell em🙂
@@KittyCatPaw99❤️ Chinese eyes has me laughing. I was thinking his Latin lovers eyes. Wherever he gets his genes 🧬 from he is beautiful ❤
two years passed since mahidevran and mustafa left and mustafa grew old by almost 10 years, like he is to look 16 not 26. this series has the most absurd time leaps
edit: also do they imply aybige stayed there for TWO YEARS?! THE THRONE FIGHT WENT ON FOR 2 YEARS?! AYBIGE AND BALI BEY DIDNT FALL FOR EACH OTHER UNTILL TWO YEARS SINCE THEY MET?!!!! the ottomans prepared for the war for 24MONTHS??!
dont get me started with how hurrem's children aged
what's the funniest thing is it took them 2 years just to prepare for a goddang war 🤣🤣🤣 it takes them more time to prepare for a campaign than stay in the campaign 😂 and of course mustafa's aging is beyond absurd. the previous actor looked like 13 years last time he appeared and now he looks like 30 or 35 years, or even 40 years old.
and suleimans aging is weird too, he looks like 50-55 years old when he was supposed to look 38 years old. they added too much beard to him that he looked like his late 50s but not a single pair of hair 😂
They needed a younger actor, Mustafa looked thirty years old, so unrealistic.
How did mustafa get old but the servants seem like nothing happened what the.....😂😂
Couldn't find a teenage actor.😅😅
@@user-tp4ju2cb3t even his sibling didn't grow too 😂
Future teller: the fish will turn into a dragon (it's hurrem sultan, both Ibrahim and mahidevran called her dragon later), someone will pass away soon (hafsa), the dragon will overcome all its enemies one by one! Then she looks at hurrem sultan. It's her!
I believe valide mother regret to call the fortune teller
@@kartikanuraini1870 for sure yes
This one is like a female yakup effendi but she does it with sand instead of water
The concubine is ugly.
I wish valide can get rid of hurrem otherwise she destroys them one by one
Even Sumbal is questioning Valide actions; his facial expressions
He's part of this plan, just making belive.... dayan hatun on the other hand totally not impressed with valide
But he did it
I love Hurrem’s crown during the fortune telling gathering
I laughed, I thought it was totally ridiculous!! 😅
I loved it too!!🥰
behram pasha was an a$$ but oh god how i enjoyed someone giving it back to ibrahim in his own dirty way
Why do they change the actor who plays gritti in every now and then
Coz he is busy in other serial dramas. They are not paying him well 😂
The long haired concubine is annoying
Name?
@@nargismahmud2959Fatma, I think
Yes she is until the end of her life...
Who Fatma, she should be unalive for what she does
Couldn't agree with you more
that timeskip was so 💀💀💀💀
Sumbul aga and Gul agas' scenes are enjoyable😂😂❤
Funny how far Fatma a d Fidan come from their beginning in the harem. From opposing sultana sides in harem to both supporting mahidevran who would have happily killed them to get ahead.
Hurrem should have told her concubines and gul aga that they will get the same pay from her secretely as not to stir up more trouble. Thats what i think anyway
I think its a matter f pride for them...as other concubines are bullying them
I agree on that one. Tell to keep it as a secret and if they tell, curtains for them.
Valide sultan planned everything
Daye hatun and sumbul agha is the most professional servant … they can make dirty work for valide but then two of them become servant for hurrem
Very unimaginative dialogue for Ibrahim in every scene in this series: he says Hich Khimse or Har khimse while grinding his teeth, followed by the context. It’s sooo predictable any time he faces a challenge
fortune telling is a big sin in Islam and believing in fortune telling is also a big sin, only Allah knows and plans what will happen in the future, they shouldn't have showed this in the show
And they don't drink alcohol? My Turkish neighbour next house is a huge wine connoisseur and my Lebanese friend (Sunni Moslem) as well. Also cheating on one's wife is considered death penalty according to Shariah. Nevertheless Pasha did exactly that.
People did consult fortune tellers, especially the royals during this period. It’s historically accurate.
Yes they had fortune tellers in the harem in this time period. They also had astrologers who foretold the future with the stars.
I feel bad for ladies of those era
No
Mustafa left just for 2years nd have turn to 29 years old guy.. over night 😂.. I love hurrem so much she is smart nd strong...
The prophecy in the end is all about hurrem sultan.
aybige and bali bey had so much potential😩 like there is CHEMISTRY or maybe its my bias such a shame how they end up, they would've made such a wonderful couple UGH!👺
SUCH A PERFECT ENEMIES TO LOVERS TROPE THEY HAD 😭❤
Bali Bey willingly had no affection in Aybige. He had an indifferent passivity. Bali Bey had an underused hardship with Armin and it takes time to heal. Time heals all wounds. Anyway friendship may turn into situationship but not relationship. Intimacy doesn't always mean limerence. Inevitably it was an infatuation. It was temporary. Not an obsession.
"Daye questioning Valide decisions about rules harrem, looking to harm Hurrem. No concern about Harrem
Up to this times Hatice sultana had no idea of his husband has affairs with Nigar poor woman 🤣
... She's too busy whining all the time!!!
I really don’t care for Hatice because she is going to turn evil 👿 towards Hureem
But yet in reak life he many concubines . Many were male
It is wild to watch Fidan’s character trajectory. Like it is crazy where she is by season 4 and I still don’t quite see how she got there from here lol.
Most Hated Character for me is Fatma Hatun . I liked her end
Smart mouth she is, she is annoying
the foreshadowing at the end...*chefs kiss*
What a detailing! Creators put a dragon themed crown on hurrem's head to indicate she's the dragon who'll blow everything with her fire.
Mustafa grew up in 3 years to look like an uncle
😂
insting hurem patut di ancungi jempoll..😍
Mahidevan still icourious about Hurrem, still wants to be involved in palace issues
So…I absolutely dont understand the timelines. Aybige hatun stayed back for two years?? Mustafa left when he was probably 10 but returned looking atleast 25??
Only two years had passed but Mustafa looks so matured. It likes 10 years after.
I can’t stand valide sultan. She is mean to Hureem under the pretense of order
It's not the most polished of productions by any stretch of the imagination but I'm hooked.
The first look of Mustafa is just like transgenders look😂😂😂
I often wonder if both Nigar and Nasuh are a part of Sulymian’s “intell” group. They seem to have access every where.
Mustafa was so much cuter and sweeter when he was a kid
The way Suleiman called hurrem as 'sultana'❤
It’s a shame mustafa was killed by his dad’s guards trying to defend himself after Hurrem lied about him wanting to kill Majesty. His father was cheering on the guards while they were killing him… Hurrem raised her children to be jealous and they eventually killed each other after her death.
Yeah and Mustafas mom didn't play a part in that at all right??? 🙄🙄🙄
Bali bey is such a charmer!😊
Behram Pasha was a hottie
Seen a real life pic. Doesn’t look that great to me
None of the actors do except for Meryem but I meant he ( the character) here is hot@@wendynikkel6953
Mustafa gets an attitude after the sword ceremony. He starts putting people in their place-or so he thinks!!😂😂😂
Mix of his ,other and Ibraham influences
Scariest words: “ Get close. Closer.” 😮
That's why it's called history, it keeps repeating itself 😊
Ibrahim.. now i don't like him.. cunning and cruel man.
Looks like Velide didnt give the subtitle writers a pay rise either 😮
Am I the only one who still finds Sultan Suleyman the most attractive. I think Suleyman is handsomer than Mustafa 😂
Girrlllllll nooooo,do you really😢?? 🙈 I on the other hand think the opposite again. I see where you are coming from, he does have beautiful eyes but I feel a lot of other traits are being hidden to actually conclude to me he is attractive but then again. Mustafa is also not that attractive, but I find him slightly more attractive than his father. The troubling thing is the age discrepancy, it makes his character look akward which also takes away from his looks. But it is just my take on it🙂
Girl same I mean I love his expressions 😭
56:50 the expression power, innocence,in eyes.... Halit The magnificent ❤
Nigar is charming than hatice
Mustafa? 17years old? Or a teen Hmm dem no try at all 😂
Daye shocked of Valide words
Abyige annoys me.🙄
Oh ibraham- starting to plan his future with Mustafa
And i will also add, Hurrem should have respected Mustafa. She never got it in her head that He was The NEXT SULTAN! NOT her sons!
So insecure mother and her son lived alone without Ibraham , valide around- their own little word- her jelousy and crying to begin
Behram pasha was so stoooooopid! He clearly had the upper hand. He couldve said that the proof is w someone if anythinf happens to me that person will give it to the sultan. Instead he.. oh my god. SO DUMB
1:19:50 Have a feeling they intentionally tried to get a "replicca" of Nagar Kalfa here. Very, Very, similar features
The sand lady gets really freaked out at the end of the reading!😂
future teller : "Unknown land" south America after 1500 century
Hirrem is that dragon 🐉
Majesty s look when heard about death of Pasha- ?? If Ibraham involved
After watching this show a couple of times, and first questioning the time warp i.e. Mustafa leaving and coming back looking like a full grown 30-year-old, 😉 I am just realizing that the creators are showing the advancement of time with the seasonal changes in the window scenes. And yet, there are the still the expected age progression inconsistencies that comes with every soap opera.
Like majesty guards
Really let us down on the subtitles this episode!
If the princes can't father kids until they go to their "sanjak," why are the given girls to bed while in Sulieman's palace?
Ibrahim was a monster
No, a charismatic villain
@hazelcoates907 Sure 👍🏽....Hope you enjoying the series ❤️
Wait , what about that slaughter Ibrahim caused ? When will his killing spree be stopped ?
Wahrsagerei ist Sünde, Hurerei ist Sünde. Kehrt um von den bösen Wegen
Gulsha has theeee most annoying smirk expressions ooofffff🥴
Hurrem really expects Mahi to pick her allies for Mustafa. A clown
Welcome queen Mahidevran with her prince 😍 I love how her enemies were keep praising her luxurious entrance including nigar😊
Lol 🤣 Mahidevran avid fan 🤣
Mahidevran is not a queen .... she is "Mahidevran Hatun"
Lier Ibraham- he knows your secret/ betrayal to Hatice
As much as I hate Ibrahim Pasha, he was sort of justified in killing Behran Pasha. Ibrahim has a wife and two children. Despite the fact that he cheated on his wife, he is still the Grand Vizier
I love this show so creative❤
Sultan & stupid tradition in harem ..make use women ..create enemies among them ..their children kil each other for the trone ...Actualy it happen not in that era but until 18 century ...palace all over the world ...😮😮😢
Ohh hatice,,you fall in love with a killer
I love Hurrem ❤❤so much
1:33:40
Who's that dragon? Selim?
Fatma is a trouble maker. She likes to start fights. Wait until she suffers the loss of her child.
Why is mustafa thr only one who grows up
Beli bey nice your smille😊😊😊😊
There's a murderer who is part of dynasty- IBRAHAM
Yes only mustafa aged 😂
looks strange. Mustafa changed like a 30 year old adult
Im doing mental gymnastics to picture mustafa as a young adult and not an old fart hahaha🤸♀️he looks uglier than suleyman😅
This new mustapha look too old abeg
Wow! This Ibrahim is a real psychopath. I have changed my opinion of him 100 pc. He needs to go.
Mustafa looks so cruel.
More than 8 years have passed being far away from the palace but still hurrem's hatred towards Mahi grew up even more !! I don't understand wtf is her problem? She even treats Mustafa like a roadside dog , what is her problem with a young boy?! *This is absurd*
She was gone for like a year, not even. What are you talking about? So lets get a quick show timeline (with spoilers later on)
1520 Suleiman took the throne
1521 Mehmed was born
1522 Mihrimah was born
1523 Ibrahim is named grand vizier
1524 Selim was born
1525 Bayezid was born
1526 Mohacs battle
1529 siege of Wien (again they kinda change that making the story bit weird)
1531 Hürrem gets married, Mahidevran leaves, Cihangir is born
1532 Mahidevran is back (this episode)
Edit: theoretically speaking this could also be 1533 since they messed up the timeline so bady
(SPOILERS)
1534 Valide dies
1535 The Persia
1536 Ibrahim dies
1539 Ayas dies
1541 Lütfi looses his power, Hürrem is taken, Hatice dies, Mehmed dies (In reality some of these never happened or happened at a diffrent year)
1544 Rüstem is named as grand vizier and of course the competition over Manisa between princes
(The next in short because I don't want to write it all)
1553 Mustafa dies
1558 Hürrem dies
1561 Rüstem dies and Bayezid dies (I have a feeling they changed it to 1562 for no reason)
1565 Mehmed pasha becomes a grand vizier
1566 Suleiman †
They're just the same lol. Is only Hurrem at fault on this? It is Mahidevran who cursed her and say that she will return even stronger when he left. Then right now, it is still Hurrem? Shame on you girl 🤣 you can't even reply to me. You hated Hurrem and commented on every episode as if you're Mahidevran. Lol 🤣
See? Mahidevran and Validevil started it again, what are saying that Hurrem's hatred? She's the one who started it. She even paid Fatima Hatun to do something to Hurrem.
Lol they are plotters Hurrem too intelligent to be deceived by them - she knows her enemy a she does not pretend like the others
How long does it take for fidan to get nipped??
Mustafa looking not strong🤣🤣
Yeah I don't think the actor matches the character at all
Bruh I can’t stand the aybhige or however you spell her name!
And Ibraham he knows you have a mistress
1:02:22 Who is Mu'awyia ?
Always stand with our beloved master maula Ali's (A.s) path...❣️❣️
@@Saad10101 I dıd not understand. What does Maula Alı mean? I do not understand Turkısh.
Maula Ali is the beloved cousin of our prophet Muhammad (saw) and great imam of muslims who is been called as the "GATE OF of THE CITY OF KNOWLEDGE". He has made tremendous sacrifices for Islam but unfortunately after the death of our beloved prophet (saw), people made him so much suffer and pain which is unbearable and unforgettable especially this MAWIYA even killed his almost 62 childrena including hazrat Hussain (a.s) that too by the son of MAWIYA ,YAZEED. He was truly a great HUMAN BEING History has ever witnessed.
May Allah please with him and allow us to follow his noble path.(Ameen)
Dont listen to the lies of the shias.
Hazrat Muawyia (RA) is one of the companions of the prophet and was a great man.
@@bilalahmed-bu7bi I literally asked who who is, lad. You did not answer that and I do not understand "Hazrat" and whatever. Use English. "Shia"...
Mustafa looks too old now
Mustaffa concubine very beautiful girl
Selirnya mustafa kok biasa aja kurang cantik tidak seperti hurem sangat cantik
Agree. She looks equally old. Fitting for their actual ages🙈