That sounds so much better, Josh. In a former life I worked in a bearing factory that used a lot of those vibratory things to dry and polish the rolls as they came off the finishing grind. Yours now sounds just like my memory of those from years ago.
I am glad that you bought two bearings. It is a good thing that you checked the bottom bearing. I would have never caught it. I would have just thought it was a noisy machine by nature. As always, you did a great job on the video and the project. What a great fix!!!!
Another one just today. Told me I was stupid for fixing the tumbler when my business is failing. I actually have work for this, that is why I am fixing it. He could not understand the concept. Can't fix stupid, but you can ban them.
Amazingly quiet now 👍🏻👍🏻. It's crazy how sound from bearings can travel thru equipment and resonate somewhere else convincing a person yup it's this not that.
The way sound transfers often confuses things, and bearings normally wear out all at the same time, so I am glad you had the wisdom to buy two bearings and replace them both. Those roller self aligning bearings are an expensive item, I hope yours will last ...and should do with the lube they will get.
I enjoyed both videos, it was amazing how well the mic picked up the lower bearing noise. It's also amazing how I w quiete it is now. I pray your work load picks up! Hopefully business in general will improve with the new government loosening some of the regulations!
Josh- I only use an impact for lug nuts. Hand wrenches for everything else. I like to feel things getting tight to gauge how tight I am actually getting them. One job I was doing, was using a 3 jaw puller, taking the pulley off my Colchester lathe motor. It was rusted to the shaft. I was trying to maintain a just barely red heat with the oxy-ace torch, and wrenching on the puller screw in between heating cycles. Well, I was getting the pulley to move only about 1/8" each time before getting too tight to turn. Then I had to apply heat again. I only thought after I got the pulley off (and well over an hour of heating and wrenching on the puller) that maybe I should have used the impact wrench on the puller to save time and acetylene. I did not want to damage the very fine threads on the puller screw, but maybe the time and less heat input savings would have been worth it. ----Doozer
I was completely unaware of the lock washer thing. I thought about it and now realize I’ve been doing it wrong for years. Haha. Who says you cant teach an old dig new tricks?
Good video, thanks. I agree, that impact drivers can get you into trouble, especially working on older machinery where breaking off a rusted bolt can happen, causing bad words to be said.
I am seventy five, and called myself a mechanic. I did this most of all my life and did not think about the fact a flat washer under a lock washer negated the effect of what a lock washer is supposed to do. I mean it made perfect sense when you said that and I should of known it as well... Never to old to learn something
Sounds amazing now Josh, what a difference..Its great when you realise that you were right to think hmmm lets change that ....well worth the work, and those bearings are something else, Ive never seen bearings that complex before thanks for sharing
Excellent change after the bottom bearing replacement. If it was me, I would still consider a small enclosure for it to further quieting in the shop. Thanks.
This is the first rotary/orbital vibrating tumbler I had seen, interesting. Most of the rotary/orbital vibrating equipment I've used were of the SWECO type with the motor and top/bottom weights located under the mill/screen/drum/pan. Also used a few with vibrating motors attached to various points that had top/bottom weights enclosed, usually at opposite corners of the frame, screener/corkcscrew elevator.
Just got our first snow, need to pack it down so I don't pick up gravel with the blower. But, the way things are looking, it will all be melted by end of next week.
Looks like a Sweco. We ran a vibratory solution with a metering dispenser. Too long ago to remember the maker. We had 2 machines, one was larger than yours and one significantly smaller. Our big machine ran essentially nonstop for about 30 years, and the most significant machine repair that I had to do was rebuild the counterweight system. The proportioning solution dispenser required much more frequent servicing.
Hi Josh, what a difference in sound with the new bottom baring, i've never sen barings of that kind before, very interesting. Last episode I remember wondering about you putting the lock washer atop a normal washer cuz I knew you wound never do that, it makes no sence and I got puzzled. Take care my friend and have it good. Chris.
I ordered s couple of things I hope it helps keep the lights on till you get more work... I am here in Maine and it isn't much better here. If I have some work I can send your way I will.
Another good video. Bearing noise can be annoying and sometimes hard to diagnose, I had a noisy bearing in the mower deck drive line on my lawn mower last summer that was so loud and noisy even with ear protection it was terrible. long story short it was a brand new idler that was quiet and smooth when turned manually but it turned out to be magnetic, when turned just right it will hold its own weight to the bottom of my steel table. After that I check each bearing I use for this problem.
I was thinking about the flat washers under the lock washers too! Something ELSE I thought about from my time in the bearing business was that you could probably get new bearings, put them in the old housings, and save some bucks that way. Those spherical roller bearings themselves are a pretty standard item. The housings probably aren't, and that's why the complete bearing assemblies are so expensive. AND I'm going to steal your idea for pins in the vice jaws (if you don't mind). I don't have a milling machine (wish I did) but I have a Harbor Freight Chinesium two-axis vice on my Craftsman table-top drill press and a spare set of jaws. I'm going to drill them and get pins for them. Probably use smaller diameter pins and all I'll have to buy is the pins and a reamer (which I should have a set of anyway)...
Considering I bought NOS for a third of new, it was gar better. The just the bearing would have only saved about $100 off the $680 bearing. Not worth the extra time and hassle.
A long time ago when I worked in machine shops we had tumblers And they were very quiet just like yours. opened up the bearing and show us what the damage was inside the housing.
Hi Josh, Excellent job, an amazing change in the sound and probably actually works 10X better. Wondering if placing the unit on thick rubber/urethane pads would even quiet it more, even tho it runs on a series of springs. It probably couldn't hurt. Been wishing I had your snowblower here to ward off the weather.....27 in on the ground, as of this morning and 5-6 ft snowbanks lining the driveway.....ughhhhhhh.....At least in this weather no mosquitos or blackflies. LOL... Don
it is on rubber pads. You must have missed that when I built the base. We just got 5 inches, but it will be gone by the end of next week. I was hoping it would stay so I could have my base, but 40s next week. Oh well. Snow blower is still doing great work.
What I'd like to buy is a large format chart that has Tap and drill sizes for SAE and metric along with all the fractional sizes as well as number and letter drill sizes...all in one large format chart.
Did not know that about the flat washer/ lock washer deal. I have always done the flat washer/ lock washer set up because lock washers tend to leave gouges in the metal it's up against. So I thought better a flat washer being gouged than original metal of what you are working on.
My experience of bearings, is that if one on the shaft has gone, then the other one needs to be changed as well. If you don't, it'll fail, always at the worst possible time.
just wanted to say about the washer with the lock washer thing. where in my area i work that is the most common way to use the lock washer on top of a regular washer. i cant win that argument at all. no matter what i show them for reference i dont like using lock washers either i have seen them from time to time break and well then the part is really loose. and wow that is so quiet compared to others i have hear dang now i want on lol
Sir, I don't know if you have already but if you put rubber pads on the bottom of the feet, that will absorb any disturbance between the machine vibration and the floor. Kind regards
Josh, hats will help keep the glare off your glasses…and reduce headaches, especially under fluorescent lights , which come on and off 60 times a second…and outdoors they help even more….and you look kool in your Topper Machine hat…..
No fluorescent lights in this shop. All LED. I don't wear hats because I still have all my hair. My brother wears hats, and he looks like uncle fester.
Nice and quiet now....I was wondering why you changed the entire bearing housing and bearing instead of replacing just the bearings. Less expensive that way I think
These are ckmplete units. Yes, you can replace just the bearing, but the savings is minimal. Since I bought NOS bearings, it was a lot cheaper. Why do more work to save a few dollars.
They have their place. The trick is knowing when to use them and when not to. The lug nuts on my Sorento would not budge with a socket and 12 inch cheater bar but came off easily with the 1/2 impact.
Anchorlube. Hi Josh, We exchanged messages a while back about Anchorlube's ability to be thinned with water. Before retiring I used to sell Anchorlube. Because I visited different shops I saw it used in many different ways and with many different materials that you wouldn't normally consider using it for and enjoy watching your experimentation with it. For instance I had a customer using it very successfully when tapping UHMW and other plastics. They found Tapping force much reduced as well as extended tool life. What I wanted to mention though was a thing I used to do in my own shop and also suggested to customers. I found as the jars emptied through use they would sometimes tip over or slide around when trying to pick up some on a brush. This then required two hands to get some out of the jar. Personally I had magnets pulled from hard drives and would just drop one into the jar. Then the jar would stay in place on the machine. I would then just refill that jar from a gallon jug of Anchorlube. The magnets I used didn't seem to rust in the jar but I also had customers that just epoxied some magnets to the bottom of the jar. Simple but effective!
Glad you got it fixed. Very gratifying to replace those noisy bearings after dismantling and re-assembling anything. Perfect
That sounds so much better, Josh. In a former life I worked in a bearing factory that used a lot of those vibratory things to dry and polish the rolls as they came off the finishing grind. Yours now sounds just like my memory of those from years ago.
Wow, that's a night and day difference in sound! That should certainly make operation a lot more enjoyable. 👍👍
I am glad that you bought two bearings. It is a good thing that you checked the bottom bearing. I would have never caught it. I would have just thought it was a noisy machine by nature. As always, you did a great job on the video and the project. What a great fix!!!!
Day and night difference Josh.
Very quiet.
Nice job. 👍
Wow!! What a difference.
Nice job.
“One guy was negative…… he’s gone”. Awesome 👏 Life is way too short to put up with pure negativity.
Another one just today. Told me I was stupid for fixing the tumbler when my business is failing. I actually have work for this, that is why I am fixing it. He could not understand the concept. Can't fix stupid, but you can ban them.
Great update. Can’t wait to see you tumble the soft jaws.
I changed bearings like that on a shaker in a manufacturing plant. It made the machine so quiet, the operators complained that it was too quiet!
That's crazy how much improved the noise is. I really would have thought they were much more inherently noisy. Nice work.
Wow, what a difference! Sounds so good now.
Amazingly quiet now 👍🏻👍🏻. It's crazy how sound from bearings can travel thru equipment and resonate somewhere else convincing a person yup it's this not that.
Hat is looking sharp! Thanks for the video Josh.
Huge difference. Thanks for the update.
The way sound transfers often confuses things, and bearings normally wear out all at the same time, so I am glad you had the wisdom to buy two bearings and replace them both. Those roller self aligning bearings are an expensive item, I hope yours will last ...and should do with the lube they will get.
I enjoyed both videos, it was amazing how well the mic picked up the lower bearing noise.
It's also amazing how I w quiete it is now.
I pray your work load picks up! Hopefully business in general will improve with the new government loosening some of the regulations!
Good that you changed the bottom bearing. You did the job right, the first time! Thanks for the video.
Josh- I only use an impact for lug nuts. Hand wrenches for everything else. I like to feel things getting tight to gauge how tight I am actually getting them. One job I was doing, was using a 3 jaw puller, taking the pulley off my Colchester lathe motor. It was rusted to the shaft. I was trying to maintain a just barely red heat with the oxy-ace torch, and wrenching on the puller screw in between heating cycles. Well, I was getting the pulley to move only about 1/8" each time before getting too tight to turn. Then I had to apply heat again. I only thought after I got the pulley off (and well over an hour of heating and wrenching on the puller) that maybe I should have used the impact wrench on the puller to save time and acetylene. I did not want to damage the very fine threads on the puller screw, but maybe the time and less heat input savings would have been worth it. ----Doozer
I never use an impact on pullers. Sure way to destroy something you don't want destroyed.
I was completely unaware of the lock washer thing. I thought about it and now realize I’ve been doing it wrong for years. Haha. Who says you cant teach an old dig new tricks?
Nice and smooth!
Sounds a lot better,Josh!! Very satisfying isn't it. Well done!
Definitely makes a big difference 😊😊😊
Good video, thanks.
I agree, that impact drivers can get you into trouble, especially working on older machinery where breaking off a rusted bolt can happen, causing bad words to be said.
I am seventy five, and called myself a mechanic. I did this most of all my life and did not think about the fact a flat washer under a lock washer negated the effect of what a lock washer is supposed to do. I mean it made perfect sense when you said that and I should of known it as well... Never to old to learn something
Wow, what a difference!
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Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
What a difference wow great job josh😊
Great repair Josh. That is way quieter that I'd expect one of those things would be!👍
Now that you have all this bearing experience, we have a washer that sounds like the old tumbler... be sure to bring Rocky to supervise! :)
Probably be cheaper to sell the house and move up here. Lol
@@TopperMachineLLC Maybe we will once I get a 'bearing' fix! lol
@VetSemperFi sell the whole place. Dryer and all.
Chasing bearing problems have always been fun. I like the way you search for the cure. Throw enough money at any problem and it goes away.
At least it was only 2 bearings, and they are both good now.
Sounds amazing now Josh, what a difference..Its great when you realise that you were right to think hmmm lets change that ....well worth the work, and those bearings are something else, Ive never seen bearings that complex before
thanks for sharing
Greetings Mr. Josh from the oldest town in Texas, Nacogdoches. Another nice video. Hope you’re keeping warm.
It is cold out!
Excellent change after the bottom bearing replacement. If it was me, I would still consider a small enclosure for it to further quieting in the shop. Thanks.
This is the first rotary/orbital vibrating tumbler I had seen, interesting.
Most of the rotary/orbital vibrating equipment I've used were of the SWECO type with the motor and top/bottom weights located under the mill/screen/drum/pan.
Also used a few with vibrating motors attached to various points that had top/bottom weights enclosed, usually at opposite corners of the frame, screener/corkcscrew elevator.
Sounds great now Josh. Aren't ya glad ya got 2 of them, the old bottom bearing would have wiped out the new one.
Wow that sounds amazing now. Good job. I'm probably going to order one of those hats. And no snow yet huh
Just got our first snow, need to pack it down so I don't pick up gravel with the blower. But, the way things are looking, it will all be melted by end of next week.
All positive on the content from me!
Good job!
nice job sounds good.
thank you
Outstanding Josh !
The tumbler sounds like it only just fell out the factory! :)
Looks like a Sweco. We ran a vibratory solution with a metering dispenser. Too long ago to remember the maker. We had 2 machines, one was larger than yours and one significantly smaller. Our big machine ran essentially nonstop for about 30 years, and the most significant machine repair that I had to do was rebuild the counterweight system. The proportioning solution dispenser required much more frequent servicing.
Hi Josh, what a difference in sound with the new bottom baring, i've never sen barings of that kind before, very interesting.
Last episode I remember wondering about you putting the lock washer atop a normal washer cuz I knew you wound never do that,
it makes no sence and I got puzzled.
Take care my friend and have it good. Chris.
I don't know why I didn't catch that right away. Just how I took it apart, someone else used a washer.
I ordered s couple of things I hope it helps keep the lights on till you get more work... I am here in Maine and it isn't much better here. If I have some work I can send your way I will.
Thanks for the order. Hoping things get better too.
Very good video , it was a pleasure watching you change out the lower bearing what with all your closeups of you removing it and replacing it.
Another good video.
Bearing noise can be annoying and sometimes hard to diagnose, I had a noisy bearing in the mower deck drive line on my lawn mower last summer that was so loud and noisy even with ear protection it was terrible. long story short it was a brand new idler that was quiet and smooth when turned manually but it turned out to be magnetic, when turned just right it will hold its own weight to the bottom of my steel table.
After that I check each bearing I use for this problem.
Wow, that's shockingly quiet now!
" One guy was negative , so he is gone " LOL.
Man your videos are great. Talking about comments, what is right and wrong! Away with the trolls! :D
WOW the difference.
Great videos you always have. Hopefully the business climate in this great country will change soon and you’ll be covered up 👍
I was thinking about the flat washers under the lock washers too! Something ELSE I thought about from my time in the bearing business was that you could probably get new bearings, put them in the old housings, and save some bucks that way. Those spherical roller bearings themselves are a pretty standard item. The housings probably aren't, and that's why the complete bearing assemblies are so expensive.
AND I'm going to steal your idea for pins in the vice jaws (if you don't mind). I don't have a milling machine (wish I did) but I have a Harbor Freight Chinesium two-axis vice on my Craftsman table-top drill press and a spare set of jaws. I'm going to drill them and get pins for them. Probably use smaller diameter pins and all I'll have to buy is the pins and a reamer (which I should have a set of anyway)...
Considering I bought NOS for a third of new, it was gar better. The just the bearing would have only saved about $100 off the $680 bearing. Not worth the extra time and hassle.
Nice work! I remember in Abom79's Starrett shop tour seeing those vibratory tumblers all over the place there.
They had a whole building of them. Amazing how much these can polish
A long time ago when I worked in machine shops we had tumblers And they were very quiet just like yours. opened up the bearing and show us what the damage was inside the housing.
I am sure it is just worn out. I kept them to dissect for a future video.
First. Long enough waiting for that 🙂. Hope the Tumbler , but I see this will be better than new.
Very cool... looks like your counter balance, has a counter balance. If I saw the pic correctly.
Another good video. I'm curious if/how you would price out jobs for the vibrator.
It depends on the size of the parts and how much time it would take.
I just put bearings in the phas gen motor. Could not feell anything wrong with either one, but sure is quiet now!
Funny how they can seem good, but aren't.
Hi Josh,
Excellent job, an amazing change in the sound and probably actually works 10X better. Wondering if placing the unit on thick rubber/urethane pads would even quiet it more, even tho it runs on a series of springs. It probably couldn't hurt. Been wishing I had your snowblower here to ward off the weather.....27 in on the ground, as of this morning and 5-6 ft snowbanks lining the driveway.....ughhhhhhh.....At least in this weather no mosquitos or blackflies.
LOL...
Don
it is on rubber pads. You must have missed that when I built the base. We just got 5 inches, but it will be gone by the end of next week. I was hoping it would stay so I could have my base, but 40s next week. Oh well. Snow blower is still doing great work.
Sounds a lot better, great job :) it maybe an illusion but at 2:27 it looks like a washer is spinning :)
What I'd like to buy is a large format chart that has Tap and drill sizes for SAE and metric along with all the fractional sizes as well as number and letter drill sizes...all in one large format chart.
Did not know that about the flat washer/ lock washer deal. I have always done the flat washer/ lock washer set up because lock washers tend to leave gouges in the metal it's up against. So I thought better a flat washer being gouged than original metal of what you are working on.
The gouge of the lock washer is what locks it.
My experience of bearings, is that if one on the shaft has gone, then the other one needs to be changed as well. If you don't, it'll fail, always at the worst possible time.
Agreed. I knew I'd have to do it, just sounded like top only right away
just wanted to say about the washer with the lock washer thing. where in my area i work that is the most common way to use the lock washer on top of a regular washer. i cant win that argument at all. no matter what i show them for reference i dont like using lock washers either i have seen them from time to time break and well then the part is really loose. and wow that is so quiet compared to others i have hear dang now i want on lol
Sir, I don't know if you have already but if you put rubber pads on the bottom of the feet, that will absorb any disturbance between the machine vibration and the floor. Kind regards
Go back and watch the video of me building the base.
Josh, hats will help keep the glare off your glasses…and reduce headaches, especially under fluorescent lights , which come on and off 60 times a second…and outdoors they help even more….and you look kool in your Topper Machine hat…..
No fluorescent lights in this shop. All LED. I don't wear hats because I still have all my hair. My brother wears hats, and he looks like uncle fester.
Most of the noise comes from the media... sounds about right
Not the bearings anymore.
I never knew that you shouldn't use a flat washer with a lock washer. I see that done all the time. I won't be doing it anymore!
There are a few applications that it is required, but not many
Hi mate, do you ship international to Australia for items on your online store?
I believe it is set up for international. Shipping will be ridiculous.
Hopefully you can take the bearings out of the flanged housings. The actual bearings are reasonably priced.
My tumbler is even quieter, but it is smaller and has a lid over the media that REALLY cuts it down.
I don't know if I can ancor lube in Canada.
you can, but shipping is stupid.
the cool thing is 1/2 pint is = to 8.oz hehe so those wondering there ya go!
Nice and quiet now....I was wondering why you changed the entire bearing housing and bearing instead of replacing just the bearings. Less expensive that way I think
These are ckmplete units. Yes, you can replace just the bearing, but the savings is minimal. Since I bought NOS bearings, it was a lot cheaper. Why do more work to save a few dollars.
@@TopperMachineLLC I knew there had to be a reason since that would be a piece of cake for a machine shop...Thanks Josh
cat quit using lock washers yrs. ago they break they use hardend flat washers since then
It will quiet down more when you put liquid in
actually, not a lot quieter.
JT!
But you can't do anything without a Milwaukee impact! Lol
I do everything without one.
I wonder how many broken off bolts those impact guys have to drill out a year.
@@dcraft1234 I don't wonder, I know, it's a lot!
They have their place. The trick is knowing when to use them and when not to. The lug nuts on my Sorento would not budge with a socket and 12 inch cheater bar but came off easily with the 1/2 impact.
You advertise lip balm but your store says your out of stock. What the heck.
Just sold out. We will be making more.
..now show me a cap !
Josh, could you give me a price on your anchor lube and hat ....
It is in my store. Link in video description
Anchorlube. Hi Josh, We exchanged messages a while back about Anchorlube's ability to be thinned with water. Before retiring I used to sell Anchorlube. Because I visited different shops I saw it used in many different ways and with many different materials that you wouldn't normally consider using it for and enjoy watching your experimentation with it. For instance I had a customer using it very successfully when tapping UHMW and other plastics. They found Tapping force much reduced as well as extended tool life. What I wanted to mention though was a thing I used to do in my own shop and also suggested to customers. I found as the jars emptied through use they would sometimes tip over or slide around when trying to pick up some on a brush. This then required two hands to get some out of the jar. Personally I had magnets pulled from hard drives and would just drop one into the jar. Then the jar would stay in place on the machine. I would then just refill that jar from a gallon jug of Anchorlube. The magnets I used didn't seem to rust in the jar but I also had customers that just epoxied some magnets to the bottom of the jar. Simple but effective!
Great suggestion. I will be doing that for sure.
@@TopperMachineLLC I was just too lazy to keep picking up the half full jars I had accidentally pushed off the machine table!