Alcoholics Anonymous saved my life 🙏🙏🙏 I tried desperately to stop drinking but nothing helped... But one day in 2017 I went down some stairs and there was a door and on the door it said AA and it saved my life 🙏❤️🙏 Greetings from Sweden🇸🇪
Thank you Mr. Benedict, I am a grad student in a MSW program. I will be using your video in my class presentation this week in my clinical addictions class to discuss peer support groups and their benefits. We have been reading Saving Sara the last couple of weeks and have discussions about some of the topics from her book and then we teach a group intervention to the cohort. This video will be very helpful as I introduce a 12 step program to my cohort and then transition into a loving kindness meditation and gratitude session. Thank you again for your professional presentation and succinct analysis of AA.
Thank you mr carl for helping many people, I believe recognizing your weakness helps you to understand the universe, after that it is your choice to reach the truth of life. I believe that stopping addiction is not the goal, it is the first step of the truth path.
I Love 💕 AA! It has helped me live life sanely and I do not drink alcohol! But it helped me understand and undo the damage done to me by a Religion addict. Thank You 🙏 AA. I had a vision many years ago of standing before a Very Tall pillar of Light. I think this represents the Higher Power. 😊❤
The importance of addiction recovery is never as critical as when you see it's absence is an old path that needs no one to go and take. I think life is greater when you know and for better living. Choices. Not when you react and respond below you as a co-dependent.
I know what you're mean guess when you had enough it is when enough is in with in you dearly so much and I said that I did it and I feel alot better eventually knowing that their people that live around me trying the temptation I looked and said that not my way of life dearly I walked away from each and everyone else my older daughter I told her same thing no alcohol or drugs in my place this is my house and I put my foot down dearly so much I told them if you're don't like it theirs the door don't let it hit you in the butt going out 😊😊😊
My youngest daughter going to rehab today I support her all the way dearly and I will 🙏 for her 2016 she lost her right arm because of needle she was on lifesuppot for awhile and she didn't want me their and I know why but this is want happened to my daughter ,I told her that if she comes here no drugs or alcohol at all of I find out their is she will have to leave or go rehab with other stuffed out on the streets mixing it with whatever it dangerous to do when are people going to learn at all cost of bad addiction out their
@@Serenityonlinetherapy the AA program is created by Alistair Crowley the anti christ. The first three steps are a soul trap. Bill Wilson who wrote the big book was known for witchcraft using Ouija boards.
All are welcome at open AA meetings. From, 'Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions Illustrated.' 'All alcohoics are welcome.' We didn't have to be drunk alcoholics. We could become sober alcoholics.
I relapsed just before Xmas after going to a 12 step rehab. It was the first rehab I'd ever been to after 28 years of heroin and benzo addiction. I proper beat myself up for it, but I just dusted myself down, fucked off the people in Narcotics anonymous, that are meant to help other addicts, but treat you like you have a contagious disease if you go near them and don't want to come near you. Then instead of helping you they gossip and spread shitty rumors about you, that with some people could make them worse and never get back. What I've done though, is straighten myself out again and carried on without their bullshit rhetorical bullshit, to prove you don't need them and their controlled ways. These people need outing. Even the majority of people in NA at the top who are 10/20 years clean. Not all of them, but more than the few that actually do what they say. They prey on vulnerability in women who have just got clean and some who are still using. They get them at their lowest ebb, then try and get them into bed. Someone needs to say something, because they all stick together and will deny it through their front teeth. Even though honest is one of their core principles. I'll probably get loads of grief for writing this and I'll be ostracised for telling the truth. Sorry for the rant, but why does nobody else say anything, because it's so blatant. It's also like they're in competition who can give the best share, with the best words and phrases they use, like "That's your stuff" or "You're deflecting" and on and on. Some of the people are really good people, but the wrong ones outshadow the good people. I feel the clean time keeping method is a shit idea too. It's a big kick in the balls when you've relapsed and think about clean times lost. I'll just be told I'm bitter and carry resentments now, but all I'm carrying is the burden of truth for what NA really is. They more a less tell you it's the only way to get clean, when that cuts all other avenues off. Tell you you're powerless, when that takes the power away from you and advise you to keep connected to these people, to keep their control over you. The concept of addiction being a disease is a bad concept too. It implies that it's always there, so basically is incurable, unless you do what they advise. The concept of a sponsor and the sponsees look up to them like they have all the answers, and the sponsers with huge egos, which is most of them actually think they do have the answers, otherwise they would keep their opinions, which are sometimes dangerous to themselves. The rehab I was in was run by the kindness, most helpful and good people ever, but the NA part is what has made me to start questioning them on a deeper level. Then they'll tell you that asking too many questions is a bad thing. It goes on and on. The success Rate is actually quite small. Compared to plant medicines like ayuasca, that they would tell you is a psychoactive substance that we want to use to get out of our minds. I've seen enough now.
Hi, Dan. I'm glad you are getting your life together. There are many pathways to recovery and sobriety. AA/NA are just two of them, and apparently they didn't work for you, which is ok. But each person has to find their own path, and for millions, AA/NA has been that path. I wish you the best!
@@Serenityonlinetherapy Yes, It works for some people I'm all for that. Some of my friends from rehab took the Church route. I'm all for that too if it works for them. I might not agree with something, but that's just my opinion, but my opinions are based on facts, not just hear say. I'm sorry if I came across as being bitter and angry to the folk who are just trying to get better and stop using to turn their life around. I was however, describing some of the things I've seen in NA and AA. It doesn't seem as prevalent in AA, but it still happens. That's not just based on one meeting in one particular area, but most of the meetings I've been to. It's when I get to know the people a little and in the majority of males, not all, but the majority. They prey on vulnerable women and even call it step 13 make it sound funny. I've seen some disgusting things happen and some disgusting attitudes when you question people. These are lads who've been clean for over a year or more. The theory behind the steps and NA is of good intentions, but I've seen too much now to make me wonder without judging, who is genuine and who is not. It's made my mental health even worse. I feel if I don't speak up about things they will carry on.
@@VeteranHedonist yes, 12 Step Programs are not perfect. I do warn females about 13 Steppers. The important thing is that you find the path that works for you.
hi im going through this now but my sponcer wants me to stop my prescribed medication and im not happy boutit. i am going t visit your website thank you
Some people in AA believe that but it's not right and it's not true that AA says to do that. In fact, AA has a pamphlet that says in no way do they suggest that members on prescribed medications stop taking them as prescribed by the doctor. Now if it's an addictive medication like benzos or opiates, you should talk to your doctor openly about your addiction to see if there is a better medication for your situation that isn't likely to trigger a relapse. I wish you the best in your recovery.
Yes, a therapist certainly can encourage/recommend clients work a 12-Step program as part of their recovery from substance abuse, codependency, gambling, etc. However, it is important that the therapist be familiar with 12-Step programs so he educate clients about what they are and what to expect.
What do you do when you become intolerant of all the people with mental illness with a drinking problem who show up at meetings thinking their problem is alcohol but ignore treating their mental illness?
You live and let live, and let each person be responsible for cleaning up his or her side of the street. You keep the focus on your own self-care and recovery.
How can I join one of these for my toxic shame if they only accept alcoholics? Even though shame is the root of addiction it's like I need to be addicted first lol. I have no where to go. There's no emotional anonymous near me, AA was my only choice and chance.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy 😃 yes I’ve done so. I’d like a session with you. 😃😃😃 I have sent you the email for the questionnaire request 😆😆 (not to put you on the spot)
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You should go to the appropriate 12 Step meeting. Anyone can go to Codependents Anonymous. The only qualification is that you have a desire to have healthier relationships. The focus is on improving self-care which decreases shame.
Я алкоголик и хотел бы проходить шаги на языке оригинала. Я русский бы выучил только за то... Кто-нибудь из билингвов-анононимных, не мог бы провести меня о шагам? Ищу англоязычного наставника, согласен и на native.
It requires an education, something that was highly regarded at the time. Therefore, everyone would be motivated to achieve an educated tone to their discussion. Today, we have lost the importance of education in our daily lives.
I laugh at the heartache people feel over the acknowledgement of God in this context. The whole POINT of AA is to get you OFF yourself! To declare you are powerless and someone else powerful is too much for certain ego based personalities. It's just the way it is. Rebellion embeds itself to the point of being too stupid to help the stupid. Submit and see, but they refuse. Their loss. Humility is the pathway to peace and most will never find it.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy You've evaluated my illustration incorrectly. I never said nobody changes through the program, what I said was the ones who don't is because.. My life experience I have been around more narcissists who I know wouldn't accept these 12 steps, then I have people who have humbly accomplished a life changing experience. My point was the failures of man are due to such and such, not that nobody succeeds. You were a pessimist in your interpretation is all.
Id suggest science based recovery approaches . These programs are largely ineffective. If you were told that only 8 out of 100 people who went skydiving would survive , would you strap on a parachute and try your luck ? No ? Well that's the success rate of 12 step recovery. Pretty abysmal odds
Hi, Michael. Each person has their own path to recovery. For many, the 12 Steps are a helpful path, and there is good evidence to support the effectiveness of AA (med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/03/alcoholics-anonymous-most-effective-path-to-alcohol-abstinence.html). In addition, I think an argument can be made that AA has helped more people gain sobriety than any other pathway. Still, it is not for everyone. So, there is no need to badmouth AA or other 12 Step programs just because it may not have worked for you or someone you love. It is simply one of many options for people who are suffering to achieve a better life. I wish you the best!
@@Serenityonlinetherapy you linked me to a dead page...... These steps and principals are over 80 years old. While i agree that these groups have helped many , i have seen and experienced them FAIL more people than they help. The steps are punitive in nature and the steps rob people of their will , ultimately disempowering people. Im part of the fellowship , the group of sober men and women , but i dont practice any of the step work. People have wasted entire lives trying to maintain these archaic principals. Id suggest to any one reading this that science has better answers to sobriety maintinece than the 12 steps do. Answers that empower the recovering alcoholic/addict . Start with reading material from www.drlancedodes.com . Get to the root of your addiction and you need not wasge another day trying to participate in an archaic , punitive program. Good luck addicts and alcoholics and remember that the 12 steps are 80 years old ! Scientists have better answers for your questions about the nature of your dillema than a womanising , tobacco smoking sycophant (Bill W) who ultimately died from addiction related illness ! Who would you trust , an alcoholic ? Or ALL of science ? Good luck on your journey (fellow addicts , not you carl)
@@michaelcrane3460 Let's try the link again: med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/03/alcoholics-anonymous-most-effective-path-to-alcohol-abstinence.html#:~:text=AA%20shines,to%20be%2060%25%20more%20effective.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy it mentions nothing of the program and everything about the fellowship. The group counseling aspect of a.a is what makes it work for a small number of people. Being around other sober people is great to maintain sobriety. I dont dispute any of that. What it doesnt mention is that the steps themselves are innefective. If you cant explain something simply then you dont understand it , and i have yet to find any simple explainations for how to work steps 2 through 7. Everyone has their own take. Sponsorship is destructive , for it enforces a state of dependance from drugs and alcohol and onto someone else who themselves are sick. I had a sponsor who said once with a straight face that it will take 5 years for my life to start again and that if i dont work the program and practice its principals in all my affairs that i would end up dead in jail or in a psych ward. All because he only had 4 years of sobriety. He is truely sick and should not be listened to. I stopped calling him and have since distanced myself from the idea of sponsorship. I talk to my psychologist about my psychological problems now , not other sick people. So yes i still am part of the fellowship but the steps are disempowering and are frankly destructive. Step 2 implies that im insain, step 3 tells me ill only get well if i hand my will over to god. How do i do that exactly ?! Step 6 "were entirely ready to have god remove all of these defects of charecter" i have not met a single person in my life without any charecter defects , especially in a.a . So yeah i conceed that being part of the fellowship is beneficial in my sobriety , however the steps are corrosive to the very thing they tell us we need to embolden. The spirit.
@@michaelcrane3460 I understand it didn't work for you. Thank God there are other options, and apparently you found one that worked for you, which is great. There is no need to project your bad experience onto a program that has helped millions. As a therapist i try to help clients find the program/path to recovery that works for them. I don't have an agenda of pushing them into any one program. I give them options.
@@michaelmonteon34 CULT for no reason. "In the 1950s, Wilson used LSD in medically supervised experiments with Betty Eisner, Gerald Heard, and Aldous Huxley, taking LSD for the first time on August 29, 1956. With Wilson's invitation, his wife Lois, his spiritual adviser Father Ed Dowling, and Nell Wing also participated in the experimentation of this drug."
Alcoholics Anonymous saved my life 🙏🙏🙏
I tried desperately to stop drinking but nothing helped...
But one day in 2017 I went down some stairs and there was a door and on the door it said AA and it saved my life 🙏❤️🙏
Greetings from Sweden🇸🇪
Thanks for sharing!
Thankyou, aa is helping me a lot . this is my second life
Praise God.
I have always loved the spiritual part. For myself I needed to believe in something greater then myself.
Thank you Mr. Benedict, I am a grad student in a MSW program. I will be using your video in my class presentation this week in my clinical addictions class to discuss peer support groups and their benefits. We have been reading Saving Sara the last couple of weeks and have discussions about some of the topics from her book and then we teach a group intervention to the cohort. This video will be very helpful as I introduce a 12 step program to my cohort and then transition into a loving kindness meditation and gratitude session. Thank you again for your professional presentation and succinct analysis of AA.
You're welcome!
Thank you mr carl for helping many people, I believe recognizing your weakness helps you to understand the universe, after that it is your choice to reach the truth of life. I believe that stopping addiction is not the goal, it is the first step of the truth path.
I Love 💕 AA! It has helped me live life sanely and I do not drink alcohol! But it helped me understand and undo the damage done to me by a Religion addict. Thank You 🙏 AA. I had a vision many years ago of standing before a Very Tall pillar of Light. I think this represents the Higher Power. 😊❤
Thank you Carl. I needed this 💙
Very well explained
Understood the whole concept fully, Thank u from 🇮🇳 INDIA.
You're welcome, Nikhil!
Good morning, yesterday was my birthday , just turn 48 yea getting old now. I been clean & sober 5years
Congratulations, Cleo!
Yay🎉
Peace and love carl your work is great
I need every day this program.❤❤❤❤❤
Well... I will be darned. You explained this perfectly and the way it should be. Gonna have to recommend this to a few friends.
The importance of addiction recovery is never as critical as when you see it's absence is an old path that needs no one to go and take. I think life is greater when you know and for better living. Choices. Not when you react and respond below you as a co-dependent.
I know what you're mean guess when you had enough it is when enough is in with in you dearly so much and I said that I did it and I feel alot better eventually knowing that their people that live around me trying the temptation I looked and said that not my way of life dearly I walked away from each and everyone else my older daughter I told her same thing no alcohol or drugs in my place this is my house and I put my foot down dearly so much I told them if you're don't like it theirs the door don't let it hit you in the butt going out 😊😊😊
Gréât!!!! THANK You!!!! God Bless more and more!!!!Have a very Blessed week🙏
❤️🙏🙏 thankyou very much , understud co dependency well today, thnks a lot for making this and expailning in simplest possible way 🙏😀
You're welcome!
The path to heroic living
Thanks for the demystification
You're welcome! Best wishes!
My youngest daughter going to rehab today I support her all the way dearly and I will 🙏 for her 2016 she lost her right arm because of needle she was on lifesuppot for awhile and she didn't want me their and I know why but this is want happened to my daughter ,I told her that if she comes here no drugs or alcohol at all of I find out their is she will have to leave or go rehab with other stuffed out on the streets mixing it with whatever it dangerous to do when are people going to learn at all cost of bad addiction out their
Really good information 👍
Thank you!
@@Serenityonlinetherapy the AA program is created by Alistair Crowley the anti christ. The first three steps are a soul trap. Bill Wilson who wrote the big book was known for witchcraft using Ouija boards.
Thank you! Love your videos❤👍🏾
You're welcome, LeeAnn, and thank you! Best wishes!
All are welcome at open AA meetings. From, 'Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions Illustrated.' 'All alcohoics are welcome.' We didn't have to be drunk alcoholics. We could become sober alcoholics.
Thanks for this video. My husband is doing an IOP along with a 12 step program. I went to al anon but I am not sure it's for me.
I recommend trying different Al-Anon meetings. Some are better than others.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW TO START WALKING THOSE 12 STEPS, WHAT DO I ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO???
Ok I acknowledge that I am an alcoholic, then what...???
Hi, Klaudijus. The best way is to go to an AA meeting.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy Thank you
@@klaudijuskairys You're welcome!
Your videos is usefull
How do I get a free book for me to read to help me? For n/a & aa
I relapsed just before Xmas after going to a 12 step rehab. It was the first rehab I'd ever been to after 28 years of heroin and benzo addiction. I proper beat myself up for it, but I just dusted myself down, fucked off the people in Narcotics anonymous, that are meant to help other addicts, but treat you like you have a contagious disease if you go near them and don't want to come near you. Then instead of helping you they gossip and spread shitty rumors about you, that with some people could make them worse and never get back. What I've done though, is straighten myself out again and carried on without their bullshit rhetorical bullshit, to prove you don't need them and their controlled ways. These people need outing. Even the majority of people in NA at the top who are 10/20 years clean. Not all of them, but more than the few that actually do what they say. They prey on vulnerability in women who have just got clean and some who are still using. They get them at their lowest ebb, then try and get them into bed. Someone needs to say something, because they all stick together and will deny it through their front teeth. Even though honest is one of their core principles. I'll probably get loads of grief for writing this and I'll be ostracised for telling the truth. Sorry for the rant, but why does nobody else say anything, because it's so blatant.
It's also like they're in competition who can give the best share, with the best words and phrases they use, like "That's your stuff" or "You're deflecting" and on and on. Some of the people are really good people, but the wrong ones outshadow the good people.
I feel the clean time keeping method is a shit idea too. It's a big kick in the balls when you've relapsed and think about clean times lost.
I'll just be told I'm bitter and carry resentments now, but all I'm carrying is the burden of truth for what NA really is. They more a less tell you it's the only way to get clean, when that cuts all other avenues off. Tell you you're powerless, when that takes the power away from you and advise you to keep connected to these people, to keep their control over you. The concept of addiction being a disease is a bad concept too. It implies that it's always there, so basically is incurable, unless you do what they advise. The concept of a sponsor and the sponsees look up to them like they have all the answers, and the sponsers with huge egos, which is most of them actually think they do have the answers, otherwise they would keep their opinions, which are sometimes dangerous to themselves.
The rehab I was in was run by the kindness, most helpful and good people ever, but the NA part is what has made me to start questioning them on a deeper level. Then they'll tell you that asking too many questions is a bad thing. It goes on and on. The success Rate is actually quite small. Compared to plant medicines like ayuasca, that they would tell you is a psychoactive substance that we want to use to get out of our minds. I've seen enough now.
Hi, Dan. I'm glad you are getting your life together. There are many pathways to recovery and sobriety. AA/NA are just two of them, and apparently they didn't work for you, which is ok. But each person has to find their own path, and for millions, AA/NA has been that path. I wish you the best!
@@Serenityonlinetherapy Yes, It works for some people I'm all for that. Some of my friends from rehab took the Church route. I'm all for that too if it works for them. I might not agree with something, but that's just my opinion, but my opinions are based on facts, not just hear say. I'm sorry if I came across as being bitter and angry to the folk who are just trying to get better and stop using to turn their life around. I was however, describing some of the things I've seen in NA and AA. It doesn't seem as prevalent in AA, but it still happens. That's not just based on one meeting in one particular area, but most of the meetings I've been to. It's when I get to know the people a little and in the majority of males, not all, but the majority. They prey on vulnerable women and even call it step 13 make it sound funny. I've seen some disgusting things happen and some disgusting attitudes when you question people. These are lads who've been clean for over a year or more. The theory behind the steps and NA is of good intentions, but I've seen too much now to make me wonder without judging, who is genuine and who is not. It's made my mental health even worse. I feel if I don't speak up about things they will carry on.
@@VeteranHedonist yes, 12 Step Programs are not perfect. I do warn females about 13 Steppers. The important thing is that you find the path that works for you.
hi im going through this now but my sponcer wants me to stop my prescribed medication and im not happy boutit. i am going t visit your website thank you
Some people in AA believe that but it's not right and it's not true that AA says to do that. In fact, AA has a pamphlet that says in no way do they suggest that members on prescribed medications stop taking them as prescribed by the doctor. Now if it's an addictive medication like benzos or opiates, you should talk to your doctor openly about your addiction to see if there is a better medication for your situation that isn't likely to trigger a relapse. I wish you the best in your recovery.
This is incredible.
Can this program be used by a therapist for a personal treatment plan to his client?
Yes, a therapist certainly can encourage/recommend clients work a 12-Step program as part of their recovery from substance abuse, codependency, gambling, etc. However, it is important that the therapist be familiar with 12-Step programs so he educate clients about what they are and what to expect.
It's brainwash, so definitely NOT.
What do you do when you become intolerant of all the people with mental illness with a drinking problem who show up at meetings thinking their problem is alcohol but ignore treating their mental illness?
You live and let live, and let each person be responsible for cleaning up his or her side of the street. You keep the focus on your own self-care and recovery.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy6:58
How can I join one of these for my toxic shame if they only accept alcoholics? Even though shame is the root of addiction it's like I need to be addicted first lol. I have no where to go. There's no emotional anonymous near me, AA was my only choice and chance.
Try Codependents Anonymous. And if you've been affected by someone else's addiction, you can try ACA or Al-Anon.
Hello Carl. What would you recommend for an online cbt?
If you mean an online CBT therapist, I would suggest you google "online CBT therapist" or some such keywords.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy 😃 yes I’ve done so. I’d like a session with you. 😃😃😃 I have sent you the email for the questionnaire request 😆😆 (not to put you on the spot)
Well got to go take care , God bless u !
So many videos mentioned praying. Deal breaker. I'm out. Glad it works for many people.
How to quit opium without any Madison I am opium addicted form 2015 .
Meetings for "Business MEN" ha ha! Business professionals would be more inclusive language. Great video. Thanks!
You're welcome! And thank you for pointing that out.
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Maybe I don't have to be an alcoholic, I just go there to share and listen? But don't you have to introduce yourself
You should go to the appropriate 12 Step meeting. Anyone can go to Codependents Anonymous. The only qualification is that you have a desire to have healthier relationships. The focus is on improving self-care which decreases shame.
@@Serenityonlinetherapythank u
Я алкоголик и хотел бы проходить шаги на языке оригинала. Я русский бы выучил только за то... Кто-нибудь из билингвов-анононимных, не мог бы провести меня о шагам? Ищу англоязычного наставника, согласен и на native.
Not an alcoholic but here for weed instead
not them. the ones i ain’t suppose to know about
Viva mx cr2
You only want Hard core AA, AA is a Nut house.
I still think about meth, once in a great moon, but it's hard to forget about it , need a sponsor.
The language that aa use is not for me
It requires an education, something that was highly regarded at the time. Therefore, everyone would be motivated to achieve an educated tone to their discussion. Today, we have lost the importance of education in our daily lives.
Imagine how repulsive "a higher power greater than ourselves" is to this current narcissistic generation.
::yawn:: spirituality = religion lite
I laugh at the heartache people feel over the acknowledgement of God in this context. The whole POINT of AA is to get you OFF yourself! To declare you are powerless and someone else powerful is too much for certain ego based personalities. It's just the way it is. Rebellion embeds itself to the point of being too stupid to help the stupid. Submit and see, but they refuse. Their loss. Humility is the pathway to peace and most will never find it.
Hi, Eric. I see your point, but you are too pessimistic. AA has helped millions of people overcome their "egos" to become healthier persons.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy You've evaluated my illustration incorrectly. I never said nobody changes through the program, what I said was the ones who don't is because.. My life experience I have been around more narcissists who I know wouldn't accept these 12 steps, then I have people who have humbly accomplished a life changing experience. My point was the failures of man are due to such and such, not that nobody succeeds. You were a pessimist in your interpretation is all.
@@ericwilliams626 I hear you. Thanks for the clarification.
You didn’t get over being better than other people either. You didn’t learn shit in AA
@@oswurth8774 I don't determine your low esteem.
You didn’t get over it either
Id suggest science based recovery approaches . These programs are largely ineffective. If you were told that only 8 out of 100 people who went skydiving would survive , would you strap on a parachute and try your luck ? No ? Well that's the success rate of 12 step recovery. Pretty abysmal odds
Hi, Michael. Each person has their own path to recovery. For many, the 12 Steps are a helpful path, and there is good evidence to support the effectiveness of AA (med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/03/alcoholics-anonymous-most-effective-path-to-alcohol-abstinence.html). In addition, I think an argument can be made that AA has helped more people gain sobriety than any other pathway. Still, it is not for everyone. So, there is no need to badmouth AA or other 12 Step programs just because it may not have worked for you or someone you love. It is simply one of many options for people who are suffering to achieve a better life. I wish you the best!
@@Serenityonlinetherapy you linked me to a dead page......
These steps and principals are over 80 years old. While i agree that these groups have helped many , i have seen and experienced them FAIL more people than they help. The steps are punitive in nature and the steps rob people of their will , ultimately disempowering people. Im part of the fellowship , the group of sober men and women , but i dont practice any of the step work. People have wasted entire lives trying to maintain these archaic principals. Id suggest to any one reading this that science has better answers to sobriety maintinece than the 12 steps do. Answers that empower the recovering alcoholic/addict . Start with reading material from www.drlancedodes.com .
Get to the root of your addiction and you need not wasge another day trying to participate in an archaic , punitive program. Good luck addicts and alcoholics and remember that the 12 steps are 80 years old ! Scientists have better answers for your questions about the nature of your dillema than a womanising , tobacco smoking sycophant (Bill W) who ultimately died from addiction related illness ! Who would you trust , an alcoholic ? Or ALL of science ? Good luck on your journey (fellow addicts , not you carl)
@@michaelcrane3460 Let's try the link again: med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/03/alcoholics-anonymous-most-effective-path-to-alcohol-abstinence.html#:~:text=AA%20shines,to%20be%2060%25%20more%20effective.
@@Serenityonlinetherapy it mentions nothing of the program and everything about the fellowship. The group counseling aspect of a.a is what makes it work for a small number of people. Being around other sober people is great to maintain sobriety. I dont dispute any of that. What it doesnt mention is that the steps themselves are innefective. If you cant explain something simply then you dont understand it , and i have yet to find any simple explainations for how to work steps 2 through 7. Everyone has their own take. Sponsorship is destructive , for it enforces a state of dependance from drugs and alcohol and onto someone else who themselves are sick. I had a sponsor who said once with a straight face that it will take 5 years for my life to start again and that if i dont work the program and practice its principals in all my affairs that i would end up dead in jail or in a psych ward. All because he only had 4 years of sobriety. He is truely sick and should not be listened to. I stopped calling him and have since distanced myself from the idea of sponsorship. I talk to my psychologist about my psychological problems now , not other sick people.
So yes i still am part of the fellowship but the steps are disempowering and are frankly destructive. Step 2 implies that im insain, step 3 tells me ill only get well if i hand my will over to god. How do i do that exactly ?! Step 6 "were entirely ready to have god remove all of these defects of charecter" i have not met a single person in my life without any charecter defects , especially in a.a . So yeah i conceed that being part of the fellowship is beneficial in my sobriety , however the steps are corrosive to the very thing they tell us we need to embolden. The spirit.
@@michaelcrane3460 I understand it didn't work for you. Thank God there are other options, and apparently you found one that worked for you, which is great. There is no need to project your bad experience onto a program that has helped millions. As a therapist i try to help clients find the program/path to recovery that works for them. I don't have an agenda of pushing them into any one program. I give them options.
"Archaic words such as God"
yikes. It truly is no wonder why our society is the way it is.
thankyou george bush
It's a cult.
12-STEP DOES NOT WORK!!!!
I’ve seen it work
I’ve seen the proof
You have to be willing
You have to be a “sucker”
@@michaelmonteon34 I have seen it fail and people are DEAD now.
@@michaelmonteon34 CULT for no reason. "In the 1950s, Wilson used LSD in medically supervised experiments with Betty Eisner, Gerald Heard, and Aldous Huxley, taking LSD for the first time on August 29, 1956. With Wilson's invitation, his wife Lois, his spiritual adviser Father Ed Dowling, and Nell Wing also participated in the experimentation of this drug."
@@michaelmonteon34 Stop conventional thinking, STOP spending money on other countries that DON'T matter, and spend it on US!!!