they shouldn't be cause they are called wild for a reason...and moreover they seem to be very unnatural domesticated.just don't like that body language on a wild animal.
If they have the “friendly genes” which dogs had and apparently foxes why not? Its gonna take time but it surely will lead to great new discoveries, but i dont think that lions or even greater hunters should ever tried to be tamed. Let them be wild, thats what makes them so special and amazing
Personally I don't think its a good idea due to them "forgetting" how to survive on their own. But who am I to judge people's interests, plus foxes may be a VERY good idea to test how different wild animals understand us and react to our presence. EDIT: I'd like to thank you all for tagging me in your comments and put some effort to complete/correct my reply with your knowledge, but unfortunately I can't reply to those of you who tagged me from 09/15 because I have already replied to someone and if I could I would already have. (I ain't making this on purpose I don't have the option if there is a way please let me know)
@Ibrahim Abid That's not really true. Cheetahs are fairly affectionate and social. Whilst they are territorial, they will work together in groups. They show almost no aggression towards humans and are also one of the only big cats that can be easily tamed and socialise with humans, and there's a long history of cheetahs being kept as pets and being used for hunting, dating back to at least 1500BC. Also Cheetahs can often struggle with anxiety and stress in captivity and can be given emotional support dogs to help with this.
Turns out, friendliness is only one measure of if an animal is a good pet. It's the most critical one, but it's not everything. They also need to be easily trained, or at the very least, have non-destructive behaviors. These things have not been bred into these foxes yet.
@@JaredJanhsen It is really difficult to get people to understand the level of destructive a fox is. Dogs aren't remotely close, neither are cats. Fox urine is also so difficult to remove that it is often sprayed on trees to punish people for stealing trees for christmas. So these foxes may be friendly, but they aren't good pets. Maybe one day.
@@comfortme I would know, I own birds and have potty trained them. Regardless, i dont think it's possible/kind to have certain destructive impulses trained out of them. Birds for example, forage for fun and for intellectual stimulation. They like destroying tough objects to get inside, and they like destroying stuff to dismantle it and make something new out of it. It would be unnecessary and unkind to train my birds to avoid foraging, because they enjoy having that little moment of destructive capability.
Your wild, typical fox: flees at the sight of any humans. Domesticated-Fox: hm, an adult human. I shall investigate this specimen. It seems friendly. Dog: *I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART*
I've had a wild fox come up to me in the woods once. It was soo curious and followed me everywhere. Definitely had some of those "nice" genes. I wish I could relive that experience.
My neighbor is from Germany and she feeds the bears to keep them from going through the neighborhood trashcans. It's been going on so long that the bears brought their mates and cubs and after a couple years those grown-cubs brought their own cubs. She's got grand-cubs. They all are well behaved and pretty well known in the area.
Several decades ago I bought a wolf pup from a breeder. I naively expected it to become as domestic as any dog. Well, yes and no, just as this couple with the foxes explained. My wolf bonded with me as her mother. She was loving and very affectionate to my family. She was very playful with a silly doggie-like sense of humor. But she was skittish and frightened of any loud noises. She was destructive, chewing things up, digging hole and even - yes, a cave! - and rearranging the backyard to her liking. She liked other dogs if they were more less her size. But she feared larger dogs, but literally wanted to eat toy breeds (had to be careful when out on the leash) and she killed my beloved cat. It was simply no life for her in suburban backyard. I finally had to make the extremely painful decision to part with my beloved wolf and find her a more appropriate home with a couple who lived in the woods. This was devastating for both me and my wolf, who viewed me as her momma. I am now very critical about people seeking out wild animals as pets. It's not a fair life for them to have to conform to a human world and comes with situations that you're often not prepared to deal with.
A wolf is an apex predator and a poor choice, on your part. No disrespect meant. Just facts. Many people have made (and continue to make) the same mistake. Many have paid with their lives.
Thanks for telling this story and I'm so sorry about your cat. For those commenting as though it was all so predictable, there are also breeds of dog that are more likely to hunt and kill smaller animals and they aren't any particular size or necessarily look like wolves. Nor do they always behave that way.
people think about domestication as an aninal turning into an dog. Domesticated foxes are realy more like cats if anything. They like to play but they want theyre personal space
my dog doesnt want anything to do with anyone, hes a shiba inu. (basically a cat) I dont want this "domestic" gene altered, if I wanted a retardedly friendly dog with 2 brain cells I'd get a yellow lab.
If you read about the study, the foxes domesticated beyond the original classifications the initial experiment came up with for them, and they had to add more categories. Elite, in this case, probably means something specific wrt the study.
Foxes are not pack animals. They will never be like dogs who descended from wolves which are pack animals. If anything I’d say foxes will become more like cats than dogs in the way they communicate as pets.
Not entirely true. Cats are literally solitary, they only meet during mating season. Foxes, although they mostly hunt alone, most often form a mating pair which is monogamous and frequently life long- and this pair will meet up for lengthy periods of time to groom and play together. Also, sometimes other adult foxes referred to as ‘helpers’ will stay with the breeding pair and be subordinate to them-mostly because one or more of their children decided to stay on in the family unit rather than leaving when they became able to hunt for themselves. Just because foxes hunt and eat independently doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to form social groups.
The JABCECC currently has 14 of the Russian domesticated foxes that people can come and interact with..... We have some that are 11 years old (with no socialization), some 8 years old (with a little bit) and some 3 years old (with a slight amount more) - all behave very differently than our wild or captive bred foxes. The Belyaev foxes seek out human attention (from those they know and those they have never met). They haven't met a person they didn't like and are willing to get scratches and pets from anyone. While they each have different personalities, they all are less afraid of novel environments than their counterparts. They truly are fascinating..... if you are ever in San Diego, look us up and schedule an encounter.
"Wolves were domesticated to dogs so long ago, and we don't know why" Wolves: "Guys, get this! The humans have warm fire, sturdy houses, great meat, and they're willing to give it away for free!"
I think that's where it should stay. Cats can show affection towards humans, but still can make their own decisions. That's the best human animal relationship if you ask me.
Ya boy Brent Foxes are more closely related to dogs than cats but behaviourally they are nowhere near dogs. Dogs are quite unique even among domesticated species; since they've evolved among humans for such an incredibly long time, they bond with humans in a way that no other type of animal does. I think it's fair to say these foxes are behaviourally similar to cats, or at least getting there, just like other domesticated carnivorans, like ferrets and skunks.
The person who made the closed captions completely gave up when they were supposed to put in a russian name and just typed *[speaks foreign language]* instead🤣🤣🤣
Well I think its because foxes are solitary creatures and wolves are pack animals. So then that explains why they don’t want to constantly be loved by humans.
That's true! Dogs interact with people more than cats do because dogs are pack animals and people are part of their pack. Cats, on the other hand, are not like this, and as far as I know neither are foxes.
This just proves that minecraft foxes should be tameable. Edit:The foxes are not truly tameable,they just won't run away,I mean tameable somewhat like dogs or cats.
I had a pet fox back in the 80's. It's Mom wouldn't feed it so I raised on a bottle. His name was Sampson. He was house trained & everything. I loved him 🥺
Yeah, i heard that too! i read up on foxes when i was under the delusion that i would get one (too expensive, and most exotic pets are illegal where i live so that also shot it down). They are an extremely nervous animal as well. So a sudden new, anything, can stress them out terribly. It's good for them to actually have a companion animal to live with. another fox, or dog... Also heard that they still have that musk scent...
Animal is not a toy. It won't just sit pretily on a cushion and wait patiently for whenever you deicde to pay attention to it and its needs. They pee, they poop, they puke, they need space, vet bills are a thing, you need to dedicate a lot of the time you used to spend in other ways to that animal, once you get it. Even when you are tired, busy, sick, want to go somewhere, or other things. If you are a clean freak, don't get a pet, period. Still, dogs and cats are the ones to get, if you decide to. Visit your local animal shelter. Save a life.
This will probably be lost in the comments but.... I live in the suburbs outside Philadelphia, in a rural area that is completely surrounded by urbanization. We have a huge diversity of wildlife and red foxes are no a exception. We have had a generations of the same family living in the naturalized brush on the edges of our property. Over the years they have slowly adapted to be less and less timid of my family. We now frequently see them during times that are non typical like laying on our lounge chairs during the daytime. We don’t give them hardly anything over than leaving our sole occasional meat scraps. So I guess we been unintentionally domesticating them? Nice! They certainly keep the mole, rabbit, and mice population under control. It also thing that being surrounded by urban development on all sides has prevented the coyotes from being able to compete as they require a large amount of territory that our township just doesn’t quite have. Thanks for reading if you got this far
@@notchomomma239, Chihuahuas are biologically classified with other domestic dogs, which are identified as a subspecies of the gray wolf. The fox is a member of different subspecies. Smaller dogs and foxes are not related. In fact, all small size dogs including the chihuahua can breed with a wolf but they can't breed with a fox. The size of smaller dogs occurs because of a phenomenon known as convergent evolution, in which animals develop specific traits to meet specific biological needs.
The Russian experiment also bred all the most aggressive foxes too, and created a subset of extremely fearful, jumpy, abnormally aggressive foxes. No one who talks about this study ever mentions that.
2:10 it wasnt a "friendlyness gene" that we bred for instead we bred for the deletion of certain genes in the 7q11.23 region as in we litterally gave wolves mild williams syndrome
god they're adorable. it seems they were aiming for dogs and ended up a bit more cat, which seems about right for foxes overall. they have cats' "middle of the food chain" wariness, and while they tend to live in family units, they're more pouncers than pack hunters. what i'm interested to see is how generations that are raised and socialized in a human family develop.
Yeah, I'm happy they ended up a bit more like cats. They're friendly, but not so friendly that they immediately act like they've known a stranger for their entire lives, just like a cat. This is what makes them special because when they grow more familiar with you and start to love and trust you more, you know its real and not just because they were bred that way.
I think those foxes are more like cats that like you enough to not bite your finger off. they look at you and inspect you to see if you're a threat, then they stay away from you because you're a new stranger
Cats and dogs evolved from a common ancestor so they share traits anyway. Cats are less predictable in their depth of attachment but anybody who's had a lot of experience with cats will have had a few that were very atrached to the extent of being needy. That is where the comparison to cats comes in but it's an inaccurate comparison because more cats are snuggly than not. Cats and dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years, foxes for less than 100. I think what is being misinterpreted as cat behavior is really the shallow breadth of their domestic traits.
I think one reason why domesticated foxes aren't as "emotionally attached" as dogs are, might be because foxes aren't pack animals. Dogs came from wolves, whose very core existence depended on the strengths and emotional bonds of the pack. They are naturally and instinctively born to care about the well-being of their pack mates, know their place within the rankings of the pack, and work diligently to hunt with and feed the pack. Therefore, once domesticated into dogs, they came to see their human caretakers as their pack. They cared for the humans well-being, knew their place next to their human, and (back when they were first becoming domesticated, or for many, many years after) would hunt with their humans. That is why they are so uniquely "Man's best friend". Meanwhile, a fox goes pretty much its entire life alone, save for when it breeds and rears kits. They have no instinctual connection to anyone other than potential mates and their kits. But with said mates and kits, they are very loving and playful. So it's not too far-fetched for them to become a very beloved companion animal, but it will take many, MANY years for them to challenge a dog's natural perfectness for the job. They are like cats, or birds. They can love you, but in their own way. Some will be more affectionate than others, and when they're done receiving attention, they let you know it. They will not bow to your whims alone, because they are naturally inclined to think of themselves first. But that's just my thought on the whole thing.
Dogs have such a strong connection with humans because they see the human as their leader, and the one who provides for them. The way we domesticated dogs, is to make them psychologically a puppy for the rest of their lives so they dont grow up to try to be the pack leader
What was learned from the original experiment was fascinating. The conditions in which they kept these animals to preform their experiment was nothing short of cruel.
@@marciacook9336 Sadly, the conditions they CAME from-prior to the experiment-were worse. The scientists didn’t pull them out of the woods… they acquired them from a nearby fur farm. I strongly oppose keeping animals in “mill” conditions, but I do think the information gained from this experiment made much better use of those already-captive “farm foxes” than what they were originally going to be used for… That said, I do not believe it is inherently unethical to domesticate new species. This experiment further proved that dogs are nothing more than wolves bred selectively for “pet” qualities. I’d just like to see it done in spacious, comfortable surroundings-not cramped cages.
jacky zhu Foxes can use a litterbox, but they can't be scent trained. They'll try to mark the place and their pee is very strong. So yeah they can be litter box trained but they'll still pee everywhere.
0:40 small correction: We didnt domesticate cats. They are semi-wild animals that co-evolved to live with us. That's part of why cats are so..."complicated"
There was actually a time when large felines roamed the Earth as an apex predator, they are responsible for approximately one-third of the extinction of all land animals known and even prehistoric accounts of human attack. I have 4 cats, modern day cats have evolved and are continously bred to live along side humans ever since to Sumerian ages. Any animal should be able to be domesticated given evolution, time and dedication. In all seriousness, this topic is vast and rarely understood by those not academically inclined. I think we should let this be determined by actual animal neurologists, apologists and actual animal scientists, not UA-cam comments
@@discontinuedchannel4544 "Wake up, Hooman! I didn't domesticate you so you could lay around ignoring my needs!" 😂i had a cat that used to do that to my mom when I was a kid, too
@Masticatious dogs are superior since they are pack animals by nature and therefore fit into human social hierarchy with more ease. Domesticated lions tho :)
I have hand-tamed Western Scrub Jays for 30+ years. They remain wild birds that have learned that coming to get a peanut is not dangerous, but any small move toward them results in instant flight.
Interesting question: Dogs raised with cats sometimes express odd behaviors. They climb more. Groom more. Sometimes they are more standoffish. What might happen if some of these foxes are raised with litters of puppies? Particularly highly sociable breeds?
That.....that’s actually not a bad idea. In theory it’s possible but the question remains as if they will remain friendly and tame. I’d love to research it but I don’t have the money
True. There was a husky who was raised by a cat and he sat like a cat with legs hidden in his fur, he sat on places a cat would sit, would groom himself and more
You're forgetting the fundamental biology of these species Wolfs are pack animals, very sociable by nature which makes it a lot easier for a dog to interact with humans. Foxes are NOT social animals, they are solitary very scared animals, they are by far not the top predator in their environment so a domesticated fox would be more similar to a domestic cat than a dog...
Pedro Ribeiro Exactly. Most people seem to think a „domesticated“ (I’ll put that in quotation marks as these foxes are not domesticated, that process tales far more generations than those puny sixty years) fox behaves like a dog with a fox’s fur, when it’s not going to be even close to that. The most important aspect of any animal to be potentially domesticated is a strong social structure. As you have already mentioned dogs are a prime example of that, while foxes just like tigers and all these other exotic animals that belong anywhere _but_ in a human‘s living room are solitary and as such not easily willing to share their time and space with others. They are just not _made_ to be someone’s status symbol.
@@chari---zard Toms and Queens are very social..... Felines often live in pacts and have territories. Cats just kinda started eating the mice and rats around farms. They slowly became domesticated over time.
Cats do live in social groups and foxes do as well but not in the same way as wolves. Fox family structures have a mated pair, a helper adult female (often offspring who stayed, but can be unrelated) and kits. They do disperse more after kits are reared but females are more likely to stick together in small groups of 2-3.
A fox on Kew gardens ran towards us the other day when he heard we had food. He stuck around and took some pictures with us but kept his distance. He was as relaxed as I've ever seen one in the city. A beautiful looking creature!
I’m in no way an expert but maybe the difference between foxes and dogs in part is due to that wolves are very sociable with other wolves, as in they have packs. Foxes, on the other hand, are solitary hunters and rarely form groups
@Vex Verdis this will never ever change no matter how long we breed them for. God created them n so they will always be. We can not make a new species out of them. Take horses always skittish because they are prey always dangerous
Domestic dogs actually don't have the same pack mentality that wolves do. On their own, domesticated dogs will pal around with other dogs in loose social groups, but not tight-knit packs with one breeding pair and their offspring who do literally everything together. Most other dog species do the loose coalition thing, including foxes.
Naveen Arora This won't fix anything to do with irrational fears because they aren't wild animals anymore. Its like saying dogs can remove fears of wolves.
Sounds like the foxes could use growing up along side a group of puppies. Think about it, a fox to each litter of puppies would get the social change they need.
That might be true. But I think you could never make a domesticated fox behave like a dog. Foxes live like wolves in family groups with a social structure but the big difference is that foxes hunt most of the time alone and wolves hunt most of the time in a pack. That's a very complex task that requires a lot of empathy and social interaction. I think dogs are so clingy because they are genetically hardwired to protect their master (alpha-dog) and to accomplish a mission together (hunting). The hunting pattern of foxes is much more similar to wild cats than wolves. You can only breed with genes that are already there.
The comparison to wild cats vs wolves is on the nose, however the idea of "alpha" individuals in wolf packs was disproved quite a while back. That was a theory of Dave Mech's back in the 70's that gained traction, which he's since put a lot of work into rebuking. The relationship is more like strict parents and their children, as well as (in the case of unrelated individuals joining the pack) young friends of the family. So in tense, complicated social interactions like hunting, yearlings and pups don't necessarily try to protect and serve their master, but rather work together as a family under the guidance of a parent or parents toward a common goal. I know this is a minor point, but I think it reinforces your point more - foxes don't have this same opportunity to create social bonds with their peers and relatives because they split off from the family group years before a wolf normally would. While a wolf spends years creating social cues for survival's sake.
This is how my mom and I plan to raise our future fox. My aunt and uncle have a golden who they are planning on breeding, so we are getting one of their puppies. When we get a puppy, we are going to get a fox welp shortly after my mom gets her exotic ownership license. We are moving in the summer to a home in Tennessee which will be on plenty of land for our animals (our two current cats included) to be able to run, plus a pool for our fox and golden to be able to swim in. The house will also be big enough to fit them. We are already starting to get what we will need for our fox and golden retriever.
I’m pretty sure that gene also correlates with the spitz type tail in dogs as well. The foxes started to develop more curled tails the more domesticated they became. Interesting that these foxes don’t show that trait?
You won't say "Good wolf" to a dog, they won't be foxes anymore when were done with em, Jack Russel Terriers are still superior then foxes in every way so they got a long journey ahead of them.
The closest thing to a domesticated fox I’ve seen was one that couldn’t be released back into the wild after rehabilitation. It still seemed so nervous and anxious it made me anxious
This was a great video I have a rescue fox, and people always say “O, so he’s domesticated?” I say “No, he’s tamed. Pretty much still wild, but he’s used to me, and kinda likes me” This confuses most people
People just get confused on whether an animal is domesticated or tamed. I used to have squirrels that would come by for food, even in winter. But they run off when they see other humans. They are just used to me not domesticated, damn it.
Life's Wild Adventures My parents have a breeding pair that return to their yard to raise pups each spring. Their wild, but tame... And adorable. We put out water and dog food on drought summers.
Same here with my raccoons, even the ones born in captivity on a fur farm. I have to explain: Not domesticated! (In truth, have known some wild born raccoons to be more sociable than captive bred ones). I liked towards the end where the fox owner spoke of "those rare moments". Boom! That's the part that makes a wild animal unsuitable for 99% of humans, because they want and expect every moment to be that (as it is with a dog). That's such an unrealistic expectation. The relationship is on their terms, not ours, not negotiable! You get (who) you get. As always, what is missing here is the "individual" factor. Science and all of wildlife management (and too many people) just won't stop trying to shove entire species into one box. Every animal is a UNIQUE individual with his/her OWN personality and temperament. And how they think they're doing this study right with animals living in 4' barren wire cages is really pathetic. Any dog would become far less sociable subjected to that life :( who wouldn't?
I have an orphaned Fishing Cat I raised and its the same thing, I socialized her well as a kitten but I'm still the only human she tolerates...chased my AC guy out of the house a few months ago. lol
Im pretty experienced with tamed/domesticated animals, since my family used to own a racoon and a fishing cat. How much did you get your fox for, or did you save it? Thanks, my family have been wanting to take care of a fox, sooo.
@@stephencourton3328 "they not programmed in first place to please others" Oh boi, do you know why this selective breeding exist in first place? Not exactly to make breed that goes around and please others.
In 1970 my grandparents found a fox cub raised it and it was as nice as the foxes in this video. It played with the family dog and was so nice that he was even let to play with my mother (who was 2-3 years old at the time) without any problems. The fox wasn't aggressive and didn't mess up the furniture. My grandpa was closest to the fox and in old pictures you can always see the fox in my grandpa's lap smiling. The fox slept outside the house in his own dog house so he could go freely wander around and always came back in the morning to wait for my grandparents to open the door inside. Unfortunately after them having the fox for about 4-6 years he went missing and wasn't seen after that, my grandma told me that she believed the neighbor had caught it since he was a hunter, and owning a fox back then was not allowed and could get fined for owning one as a pet.
Ye, Itd be interseting to see the behavior of one of the domesticated foxes also being bred and socialised as a regular pet would. Cats that arent raised around humans or even other cats behavior much differently than cats raised as pets.
@@hiroshell7973 Hunting back in the 70s in Finland wasn't really limited to any specific lands, if you saw a fox in someone's yard you could shoot it and take it home. That explains also why the fox population dropped drastically in 70-90s
Well as the first few seconds of the video clarified: Taming and domestication are two different things. Taming is what you are calling domestication while what domestication actually involves an extremely long process of selective breeding for less and less wild traits. This only 60 years of progress, not even close to being fully domesticated if that gives you an idea on how long domestication takes.
"Ok guys we have domesticated dogs to the point where we can do literally anything with them. We have succeeded after generations of breeding work!" ... "And now? .... " ... ... *looks at fox ... ... "Now we hit prestiege mode!"
Cats don't poop on your kitchen counter unless they're really stupid. IMO an animal that can't be housebroken is best as a pet only in a climate where you can keep them outdoors year round. Otherwise it's just gonna lead to frustration on both sides.
Milennin Floppy not fluffy. Floppy ears meant the ears are more wiggly and not as erect as before, it has a direct proportion to the fox being more domesticated.
Should we be domesticating wild animals?
they shouldn't be cause they are called wild for a reason...and moreover they seem to be very unnatural domesticated.just don't like that body language on a wild animal.
If they have the “friendly genes” which dogs had and apparently foxes why not? Its gonna take time but it surely will lead to great new discoveries, but i dont think that lions or even greater hunters should ever tried to be tamed. Let them be wild, thats what makes them so special and amazing
We did that with dogs already so why not
yeah but still feels uncomfortable to see a wild animal being curbed
Personally I don't think its a good idea due to them "forgetting" how to survive on their own. But who am I to judge people's interests, plus foxes may be a VERY good idea to test how different wild animals understand us and react to our presence.
EDIT: I'd like to thank you all for tagging me in your comments and put some effort to complete/correct my reply with your knowledge, but unfortunately I can't reply to those of you who tagged me from 09/15 because I have already replied to someone and if I could I would already have. (I ain't making this on purpose I don't have the option if there is a way please let me know)
Short bursts of affection and then they go do their own thing?
Sounds like a cat.
Your cat actually fends for your life more than a dogs ability to be loyal
Introbulus foxes are cat dogs!! :3
Sounds like me
If you raise cats right they should care about you
I treat my cats like family and have training seasons with them, and they always want to cuddle
ive known many cats who literally wouldnt leave you alone till you cuddled them. mine slept on my back every night too
A fox is an animal running cat software on dog hardware..
So are shibas.
Wait so that probably could be why they lost interest so quickly and came up at first.
And Cheetahs are dog software on cat hardware
@Ibrahim Abid That's not really true. Cheetahs are fairly affectionate and social. Whilst they are territorial, they will work together in groups. They show almost no aggression towards humans and are also one of the only big cats that can be easily tamed and socialise with humans, and there's a long history of cheetahs being kept as pets and being used for hunting, dating back to at least 1500BC. Also Cheetahs can often struggle with anxiety and stress in captivity and can be given emotional support dogs to help with this.
+++ Cats don't normally jump on your kitchen counters to do a poop . They instinctively use the litter box that mommy taught them about.
The difference is that foxes are relatively solitary animals. Wolves are pack animals. So dogs have that pack mentality and want those relationships.
Could probably be changed through trying to domesticate and tame them as much as possible.
There are a lot more differences than that.
So wolves equal your dog despite being related to the canine and not canids? Also not in packs. Wrong.
Dude I'm sure wolves are closer compared to coyote than fox and dog.
Or aliens...
Wolfs are also different to wolves. I played attention
Turns out, friendliness is only one measure of if an animal is a good pet. It's the most critical one, but it's not everything. They also need to be easily trained, or at the very least, have non-destructive behaviors. These things have not been bred into these foxes yet.
One note: destructiveness level has been slowly moved out of the main criteria for "tameability" or "petabilility". Ex: Cats, Birds, Dogs
@@JaredJanhsen It is really difficult to get people to understand the level of destructive a fox is. Dogs aren't remotely close, neither are cats.
Fox urine is also so difficult to remove that it is often sprayed on trees to punish people for stealing trees for christmas.
So these foxes may be friendly, but they aren't good pets. Maybe one day.
i think your confusing pet with animal we can dominate, they really are not same thing
@@lavans5721the difference is all those examples you put can be trained to abandon destructive behavior. hell, even birds can be potty trained.
@@comfortme I would know, I own birds and have potty trained them. Regardless, i dont think it's possible/kind to have certain destructive impulses trained out of them. Birds for example, forage for fun and for intellectual stimulation. They like destroying tough objects to get inside, and they like destroying stuff to dismantle it and make something new out of it. It would be unnecessary and unkind to train my birds to avoid foraging, because they enjoy having that little moment of destructive capability.
"They greet, they interact, and then they move on." --Me at parties
XD
@trandmain this is life in general
Me too. Oh the joys of Asperger's.
those hoes and players with relationships be like.
You guys are getting interactions?
I love how we humans are so fixated on bonding with anything that's cute and fluffy that we obsess over it, collectively, for generations.
True,but cone onnn
Don't underestimate the mofu mofu ~
In truth, we have been domesticated long ago and are now hyperfriendly to fluff stimuli
@Daniel Oh God my eyes are burned. Also, are you pointing at a chair? Am I a chair, or did the chair do something to the fluffies?
Neoteny is a feature only in humans
Wild fox: "no."
Domesticated fox: "oh, hello there. Want to play? No? Okay then, I'll give you your space."
Dog: *"FRIEND"*
Lol I love this
Notice how the wild fox said no before the domesticated fox said anything.
Your wild, typical fox: flees at the sight of any humans.
Domesticated-Fox: hm, an adult human. I shall investigate this specimen. It seems friendly.
Dog: *I LOVE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART*
What does the fox say ig
666 likes, I'm not changing that lmao
I've started domesticating crocodiles, the results so far are promising, but It's hard to write it all down with one arm
The ancient Egyptians & Nubians did that with the west African crocodile. It’s been done before.
Are you alive?
@@toricharles4492 probably lost his second arm by now
@@kiuk_kiksreally? I'm amazed we haven't trained them to be guard dogs by now.
@@toidIllorTAmI
Their tiny reptilian brains are too unsophisticated for higher thought and anything above instinct/ reflexes.
I've had a wild fox come up to me in the woods once. It was soo curious and followed me everywhere. Definitely had some of those "nice" genes. I wish I could relive that experience.
Maybe it had associated humans with free food
I would have curb stomped that Fox
You're living my dream, gimme your skin
Oh so i had a pack of wolves just lay out side of my house
Fox always try to eat human meat
We should domesticate bears for the ultimate good boy
Rafael Tirelli imagine getting a home after a long day and your pet bear gives you a hug.❤️
Rafael Tirelli If he gets diabetes call him cheeseburger and use him to topple an extremistic cult in the US!
im afraid russia beat you to it
@@MisterK9739 FarCry 5 reference
Russians be like.
Imagine achieving "Elite" level in your friendliness stat
Uhleet status
Sounds like a Persona game.
but its in your genes ...you were bred like that LUL
XBOX achievement! Elite Friendship
10 Charisma in Fallout
Be mindful if picking one up for yourself. The older ones tend to come pre-assembled, but the newer models are in kit form.
🤣
That's the best pun I've heard today, well done
Superior
BOOOOO
Lmfao
You want a dog? You want a cat? Boom you got a fox
Amazing.
Just get a ferret they are cheaper
I love foxes lol
I'm a cat person but my favorite animals are foxes. Perfect.
Actually the ferret is more fitting
My neighbor is from Germany and she feeds the bears to keep them from going through the neighborhood trashcans. It's been going on so long that the bears brought their mates and cubs and after a couple years those grown-cubs brought their own cubs. She's got grand-cubs. They all are well behaved and pretty well known in the area.
@@scanida5070 no no. SHE is from Germany. She and her bears live in New Jersey and bears aren't really weird over here.
Germany has bears,
Most of them are within the Alps.
Hell even the Russian Eurasian Brown Bear are found in Germany.
@@lettuceman9439 Russians in Germany?! Oh no.
@@scanida5070 of i get it Bär
@@lettuceman9439 SHE MEANS HER NIEGHBORS IS GERMAN AND SHE LIVES IN NEW JERSEY.
2100: *"How We domesticated a Blue Whale"*
Bold of you to think we're gonna live till 2100.
@Un Zorro Shota CHANGE YOUR NAME. NO MORE UW- IM NOT EVEN SAYING IT JUST CHANGE YOUR DAMN NAME
@Music Is Love Music Is Life how about you change your name lmao
@@ashleys6148 how about you change your name? LMAO
@@jamesplaysgames2017 uwu
Several decades ago I bought a wolf pup from a breeder. I naively expected it to become as domestic as any dog. Well, yes and no, just as this couple with the foxes explained. My wolf bonded with me as her mother. She was loving and very affectionate to my family. She was very playful with a silly doggie-like sense of humor. But she was skittish and frightened of any loud noises. She was destructive, chewing things up, digging hole and even - yes, a cave! - and rearranging the backyard to her liking.
She liked other dogs if they were more less her size. But she feared larger dogs, but literally wanted to eat toy breeds (had to be careful when out on the leash) and she killed my beloved cat.
It was simply no life for her in suburban backyard. I finally had to make the extremely painful decision to part with my beloved wolf and find her a more appropriate home with a couple who lived in the woods. This was devastating for both me and my wolf, who viewed me as her momma.
I am now very critical about people seeking out wild animals as pets. It's not a fair life for them to have to conform to a human world and comes with situations that you're often not prepared to deal with.
A wolf is an apex predator and a poor choice, on your part. No disrespect meant. Just facts.
Many people have made (and continue to make) the same mistake. Many have paid with their lives.
it is amazing than in your country allow to sell a wolf pup in a shop.... use to be a protected specie
@@zapa1pntThe wolf wouldn’t attack you though. It will attack other animals though because it sees them as prey.
Thanks for telling this story and I'm so sorry about your cat. For those commenting as though it was all so predictable, there are also breeds of dog that are more likely to hunt and kill smaller animals and they aren't any particular size or necessarily look like wolves. Nor do they always behave that way.
I was really enjoying this wholesome story until the cat part
Getting a fox is three in one. You get a dog, a cat and a dolphin all in one.
A... dolphin?
@@Mezgrman They make dolphin sounds lol
I saw this same comment in the saveafox channel
Do you mean actual dolphin noises or do you mean tv dolphin noises
?
Genetic foxes: Walked up, interacted, then moved on.
Wild foxes: Nope, not going near him.
Dog: *FRIEND!*
Ah so I see you know of changed, nice puro profile picture.
people think about domestication as an aninal turning into an dog. Domesticated foxes are realy more like cats if anything. They like to play but they want theyre personal space
my dog doesnt want anything to do with anyone, hes a shiba inu. (basically a cat) I dont want this "domestic" gene altered, if I wanted a retardedly friendly dog with 2 brain cells I'd get a yellow lab.
They should try that with a Pit bull.
This supposed to be funny?
"Elite friendliness levels"
Fox:"I'm about to do what's called a pro friend move."
If you read about the study, the foxes domesticated beyond the original classifications the initial experiment came up with for them, and they had to add more categories. Elite, in this case, probably means something specific wrt the study.
Dog : am I a joke to you ?
Cat: *I AM THE CUTEST*
Fox: *ima bout end this whole mans career*
Don't worry they'll farm xp every generations
Ha lol
0:37 charge your phone
At first glance, I thought I needed a new phone
Finnegan the fox would kindly like to know this location.
Lukas Gardeikis ahah you very big cocky yes
Jorge Gasviani tf
FINNEGAN AND DIXIE❤️
*eHehHeHeeeHhee*
@@icomplainalot533 Finnigan didn't need selective breeding he was born domestic
Foxes are not pack animals. They will never be like dogs who descended from wolves which are pack animals. If anything I’d say foxes will become more like cats than dogs in the way they communicate as pets.
Now if we could just train them to use a litter box.
@@amysofia5783 honestly thats the best i dont like dogs too much cause they way to attached
Cleveland Olivia they’re literally like a mix between a cat and a dog lol
Not entirely true. Cats are literally solitary, they only meet during mating season. Foxes, although they mostly hunt alone, most often form a mating pair which is monogamous and frequently life long- and this pair
will meet up for lengthy periods of time to groom and play together. Also, sometimes other adult foxes referred to as ‘helpers’ will stay with the breeding pair and be subordinate to them-mostly because one or more of their children decided to stay on in the family unit rather than leaving when they became able to hunt for themselves. Just because foxes hunt and eat independently doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to form social groups.
Dogs consider themselves part of your pack.
Verge Science: Foxes lick wag their tails and are very friendly. There’s nothing quite like them
Dog: Am I a joke to u
Cookies n Cream foxes are nothing like dogs
A Choking Fish wooosh
A Choking Fish Yeah you know except that they’re both canines and these ones are literally almost exactly like dogs
@@ColWilBald you're very incorrect..foxes and dogs act VERY different look up some fox videos
Michael Pettit OMG...he said these ones not all foxes and it doesn’t matter they are similar.
The JABCECC currently has 14 of the Russian domesticated foxes that people can come and interact with..... We have some that are 11 years old (with no socialization), some 8 years old (with a little bit) and some 3 years old (with a slight amount more) - all behave very differently than our wild or captive bred foxes. The Belyaev foxes seek out human attention (from those they know and those they have never met). They haven't met a person they didn't like and are willing to get scratches and pets from anyone. While they each have different personalities, they all are less afraid of novel environments than their counterparts. They truly are fascinating..... if you are ever in San Diego, look us up and schedule an encounter.
"Wolves were domesticated to dogs so long ago, and we don't know why"
Wolves: "Guys, get this! The humans have warm fire, sturdy houses, great meat, and they're willing to give it away for free!"
Other wolves: WOOOOO PAAAARTYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
*Many..... MANY years later....*
years later...
negative IQ pugs and long bois
Nah, that's actually the housecat, the only known animal to self-domesticate.
For a second I thought the title said "intoxicated foxes" 😂😂
Yep, now some of their descendants are little Chihuahuas lol
"They greet and move on."
So they took foxes and made cats, seems like progress, I guess
Lady Gaga's ARTPOP Shiny Blue Ball omg i loved your performance during the 2013 VMA's
I think that's where it should stay. Cats can show affection towards humans, but still can make their own decisions.
That's the best human animal relationship if you ask me.
Foxes are more dog like than cat like
@@OrgBrent not personality wise
Ya boy Brent Foxes are more closely related to dogs than cats but behaviourally they are nowhere near dogs. Dogs are quite unique even among domesticated species; since they've evolved among humans for such an incredibly long time, they bond with humans in a way that no other type of animal does. I think it's fair to say these foxes are behaviourally similar to cats, or at least getting there, just like other domesticated carnivorans, like ferrets and skunks.
Russians? Genes? Foxes?!? This is definitely some Metal Gear shit. I approve.
New Experimental russian fox anthro soldiers?
Snake?? Snaaaaaake!!!
Also Russian:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee
Psycho Mantis?
@@a_fine_edition2746
You're that ninja
The person who made the closed captions completely gave up when they were supposed to put in a russian name and just typed *[speaks foreign language]* instead🤣🤣🤣
I know, it’s been absolutely driving me insane. I hope they fix it, because that’s just utterly egregious
“I’ve gotta ignore you for two minutes”
Dog: “YOU CAN’T!!!”
@Vex Verdis what? lol
@Vex Verdis lmao what's wrong with you?
Vex Verdis your a Karen aren’t you?
@Vex Verdis there’s always that one...
Vex Verdis it’s a joke lmao. He not making fun of dogs you muppet.
Well I think its because foxes are solitary creatures and wolves are pack animals. So then that explains why they don’t want to constantly be loved by humans.
kinda like cats. actually i’m not even sure if cats count as domesticated sometimes....
That's true! Dogs interact with people more than cats do because dogs are pack animals and people are part of their pack. Cats, on the other hand, are not like this, and as far as I know neither are foxes.
@@henkkahenrik4183 lions are pack animals and tigers are solitary. They are both cats
@@rengeorge9268, well Lions are like the exception among cats
@@rengeorge9268 cheetahs r the most genetically related to our cats and they r solitary and they also purr and can not roar like a cat
This just proves that minecraft foxes should be tameable.
Edit:The foxes are not truly tameable,they just won't run away,I mean tameable somewhat like dogs or cats.
No it proves they shouldn't
they are tameable.
Yep
Sorry for grammar
He was like a father to me
I had a pet fox back in the 80's. It's Mom wouldn't feed it so I raised on a bottle. His name was Sampson. He was house trained & everything. I loved him 🥺
I’m sure Sampson had a wonderful life with you!
Sometimes I think I want an exotic pet but then they say how their fox shits on their counter and it reminds me how much I love my dog.
They also DIG like crazy including your bed or couch.
Yeah, i heard that too! i read up on foxes when i was under the delusion that i would get one (too expensive, and most exotic pets are illegal where i live so that also shot it down). They are an extremely nervous animal as well. So a sudden new, anything, can stress them out terribly. It's good for them to actually have a companion animal to live with. another fox, or dog... Also heard that they still have that musk scent...
Dunkleosteus and their water bowl. Ugh!
Yeah, I think I'll just get a cat.
Animal is not a toy. It won't just sit pretily on a cushion and wait patiently for whenever you deicde to pay attention to it and its needs. They pee, they poop, they puke, they need space, vet bills are a thing, you need to dedicate a lot of the time you used to spend in other ways to that animal, once you get it. Even when you are tired, busy, sick, want to go somewhere, or other things.
If you are a clean freak, don't get a pet, period.
Still, dogs and cats are the ones to get, if you decide to. Visit your local animal shelter. Save a life.
This will probably be lost in the comments but....
I live in the suburbs outside Philadelphia, in a rural area that is completely surrounded by urbanization. We have a huge diversity of wildlife and red foxes are no a exception. We have had a generations of the same family living in the naturalized brush on the edges of our property. Over the years they have slowly adapted to be less and less timid of my family. We now frequently see them during times that are non typical like laying on our lounge chairs during the daytime. We don’t give them hardly anything over than leaving our sole occasional meat scraps. So I guess we been unintentionally domesticating them? Nice! They certainly keep the mole, rabbit, and mice population under control. It also thing that being surrounded by urban development on all sides has prevented the coyotes from being able to compete as they require a large amount of territory that our township just doesn’t quite have. Thanks for reading if you got this far
Rytoast99 I found you!
That sounds awesome! Maybe your descendants might have pet foxes some day
I did too
I would love to see those foxes it so cool
Not gonna read all of that but good luck in life
And thanks for sharing.
If wolves turned into domesticated chihuahuas, imagine what domesticated foxes can turn into over generations? Hamster size foxes?
Not all dogs came from wolves. The smarter, smaller breeds as an example primarily descend coyote and foxes.
@@notchomomma239, Chihuahuas are biologically classified with other domestic dogs, which are identified as a subspecies of the gray wolf. The fox is a member of different subspecies. Smaller dogs and foxes are not related. In fact, all small size dogs including the chihuahua can breed with a wolf but they can't breed with a fox. The size of smaller dogs occurs because of a phenomenon known as convergent evolution, in which animals develop specific traits to meet specific biological needs.
Oh god...
@@lv8945 I believe chihuahuas were bred to keep fleas away from people in Central America long ago
of course, with enough selective breeding everyone can own their own pocket fox
The Russian experiment also bred all the most aggressive foxes too, and created a subset of extremely fearful, jumpy, abnormally aggressive foxes. No one who talks about this study ever mentions that.
"They greet, they interact, then they move on."
Me: maybe I'm a fox
Same
I must still be feral.
No not the furrys
Me too bruh me too
You should look into being a Therian.
People buy fox: "we had no idea they were so mischievous."
Why would you buy a fox if you didn't what a mischievous lil devil? That's the whole point in a pet fox, that's what foxes are known for!
Apparently these owners don’t know how to stop their mischief by chanting “no swiping” at them.
@@Oldqueen96 imagine having to bring a crowd to say "no" everytime your fox poops in the table
@@shinji5217 lol if only there was some professional service that could do it for them
Dude if Dora has to say “swiper no swiping” just believe her
THE FOX’S NAME IS SWIPER
Me: *I want a fox*
Fox: *I will poop and pee on your counter*
Me: *I Do not want a fox*
66 likes here to inform you
Me: *I want a fox anyways*
I still want a fox
House train them
I still want a fox
2:10 it wasnt a "friendlyness gene" that we bred for instead we bred for the deletion of certain genes in the 7q11.23 region as in we litterally gave wolves mild williams syndrome
"They greet, they interact and then they move on"
Foxes are a whole mood.
Dean Stephens indeed
Cats!
Me getting food from downstairs when a guest is over-
“Elite level of friendliness” is also a criteria for being hired at Chick-fil-A
Also elite level of homophobia
@@Paycheck2fan there something wrong with that?
Matthew Kuiper who said there was
remy muah and Matthew Kuiper OF. COURSE. THERE. IS.
@@NemoTheDreamO they don't support gays is what I think he means, but they should be treated equally
god they're adorable. it seems they were aiming for dogs and ended up a bit more cat, which seems about right for foxes overall. they have cats' "middle of the food chain" wariness, and while they tend to live in family units, they're more pouncers than pack hunters. what i'm interested to see is how generations that are raised and socialized in a human family develop.
Foxes are just a cat OS running on a dog-like shell. Lol
Yeah, I'm happy they ended up a bit more like cats. They're friendly, but not so friendly that they immediately act like they've known a stranger for their entire lives, just like a cat. This is what makes them special because when they grow more familiar with you and start to love and trust you more, you know its real and not just because they were bred that way.
@@Rafael_Fuchs no itˋs the other way around.
@@ayemia1137 sorry, but you're wrong
I really want to see the next generation
I think those foxes are more like cats that like you enough to not bite your finger off. they look at you and inspect you to see if you're a threat, then they stay away from you because you're a new stranger
5:48 “And, for a final contrast, we tested a dog”
*gets licked straight away*
I like your comment but I don't want to ruin that number of the beast.
BLVCK omg 😂😂
@@jo__anna6252 Already ruined but somehow it's better now 😂😂
Best description of having a fox as a pet that I’ve heard was cat software on dog hardware
Idk why cats have such a bad rep cuz I literally just got woken up an hour ago with Kitty cuddles and purrs
Mary Jane I get woken up with painful wounds on my hands ‘cause the cat decided to sleep on them and had to soften them up first.
So foxes are dicks?
Cats and dogs evolved from a common ancestor so they share traits anyway. Cats are less predictable in their depth of attachment but anybody who's had a lot of experience with cats will have had a few that were very atrached to the extent of being needy.
That is where the comparison to cats comes in but it's an inaccurate comparison because more cats are snuggly than not.
Cats and dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years, foxes for less than 100. I think what is being misinterpreted as cat behavior is really the shallow breadth of their domestic traits.
LMAO
I think one reason why domesticated foxes aren't as "emotionally attached" as dogs are, might be because foxes aren't pack animals. Dogs came from wolves, whose very core existence depended on the strengths and emotional bonds of the pack. They are naturally and instinctively born to care about the well-being of their pack mates, know their place within the rankings of the pack, and work diligently to hunt with and feed the pack. Therefore, once domesticated into dogs, they came to see their human caretakers as their pack. They cared for the humans well-being, knew their place next to their human, and (back when they were first becoming domesticated, or for many, many years after) would hunt with their humans. That is why they are so uniquely "Man's best friend". Meanwhile, a fox goes pretty much its entire life alone, save for when it breeds and rears kits. They have no instinctual connection to anyone other than potential mates and their kits. But with said mates and kits, they are very loving and playful. So it's not too far-fetched for them to become a very beloved companion animal, but it will take many, MANY years for them to challenge a dog's natural perfectness for the job. They are like cats, or birds. They can love you, but in their own way. Some will be more affectionate than others, and when they're done receiving attention, they let you know it. They will not bow to your whims alone, because they are naturally inclined to think of themselves first.
But that's just my thought on the whole thing.
This makes perfect sense.
Profound.
I agree. Profound!
Dogs have such a strong connection with humans because they see the human as their leader, and the one who provides for them. The way we domesticated dogs, is to make them psychologically a puppy for the rest of their lives so they dont grow up to try to be the pack leader
Read this :
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuegian_dog
What was learned from the original experiment was fascinating. The conditions in which they kept these animals to preform their experiment was nothing short of cruel.
My thoughts exactly. Foxes belong in the woods
@@marciacook9336 Sadly, the conditions they CAME from-prior to the experiment-were worse. The scientists didn’t pull them out of the woods… they acquired them from a nearby fur farm. I strongly oppose keeping animals in “mill” conditions, but I do think the information gained from this experiment made much better use of those already-captive “farm foxes” than what they were originally going to be used for…
That said, I do not believe it is inherently unethical to domesticate new species. This experiment further proved that dogs are nothing more than wolves bred selectively for “pet” qualities. I’d just like to see it done in spacious, comfortable surroundings-not cramped cages.
@@marciacook9336I mean, you can’t really domesticate animals in the woods.
@@Kozkayn😭 that’s the point my dude, they SHOULDN’T be domesticated
@@marciacook9336 Wolves belong in woods. Wildcats belong in the Wild.
Now if only they could isolate the "table pooping" gene
😂😂😂
Can they not just be potty trained?
Foxes can use a litter box.
jacky zhu Foxes can use a litterbox, but they can't be scent trained. They'll try to mark the place and their pee is very strong. So yeah they can be litter box trained but they'll still pee everywhere.
@@goblingamer606 r/woooosh
“It’s called domestication syndrome and it is wild”
By definition it is absolutely not wild
I literally laughed out loud haha
One of them better be named Swiper.
Symphuzic Bey *SWIPER NO SWIPING*
Symphuzic Bey *SWIPER NO SWIPING*
*OOOHHH MAANNN*
LOL I'm naming my future pet fox Lily
If there is no Swiper I'm sueing
I may be 4 years late, But you(Or a team) make absolutely astonishing content!
I feel like this is going to lead to "emotional support lions"
well, maybe a "bubastis" or 2 might be a good thing; i'll have 1 thank u.
Then it would be the first time I would actually go to a certain spot and protest on something
Well, you're gonna need a big poop bag for that one.
*bear
i never knew that i wanted something this bad
0:40 small correction: We didnt domesticate cats. They are semi-wild animals that co-evolved to live with us. That's part of why cats are so..."complicated"
melissa saint ahah true ;)
There was actually a time when large felines roamed the Earth as an apex predator, they are responsible for approximately one-third of the extinction of all land animals known and even prehistoric accounts of human attack. I have 4 cats, modern day cats have evolved and are continously bred to live along side humans ever since to Sumerian ages. Any animal should be able to be domesticated given evolution, time and dedication. In all seriousness, this topic is vast and rarely understood by those not academically inclined. I think we should let this be determined by actual animal neurologists, apologists and actual animal scientists, not UA-cam comments
You just got scientifically roasted.
So that’s why my cat slaps me in the morning when she’s hungry...
@@discontinuedchannel4544 "Wake up, Hooman! I didn't domesticate you so you could lay around ignoring my needs!"
😂i had a cat that used to do that to my mom when I was a kid, too
Domesticated fox: exists
Dogs: Finally, a worthy opponent
@@kelvs45 It's a battle of cuteness, and pet loyalty; not combat strength.
@Caleb Kovach the dragon... fox warrior
@Masticatious dogs are superior since they are pack animals by nature and therefore fit into human social hierarchy with more ease. Domesticated lions tho :)
@@kelvs45 A chihuahua would probably attack a fox if it wanted to
Unless if its marbles, he wouldnt know where he is
Eternally Buffering,
1. Marbles is dead.
2. Marbles appeared to be dead when he was alive.
It’s either Peach or Kermit that’s scared of everything.
I have hand-tamed Western Scrub Jays for 30+ years. They remain wild birds that have learned that coming to get a peanut is not dangerous, but any small move toward them results in instant flight.
Interesting question:
Dogs raised with cats sometimes express odd behaviors. They climb more. Groom more. Sometimes they are more standoffish.
What might happen if some of these foxes are raised with litters of puppies? Particularly highly sociable breeds?
That.....that’s actually not a bad idea. In theory it’s possible but the question remains as if they will remain friendly and tame. I’d love to research it but I don’t have the money
I saw a video where some dolphins adopted a lost Narwhal. It was so awesome. Goes to show how we can get along more.
UM WOW U JUST MADE AN AMAZING POINT U NEED TO LIKE.... TELL SOMEBODY
True. There was a husky who was raised by a cat and he sat like a cat with legs hidden in his fur, he sat on places a cat would sit, would groom himself and more
Cool thought
It would be interesting to see if this "friendly gene" exists in humans.
There's more good than bad.. It's just what you choose to see!!
Jimmy Kirk humans have learned not to trust other humans lol
Probably, seeing as we decided to domesticate the animals
Exactly. Those mortals are stupid and evil creatures to that "earth".
All humans, even psychopaths, have the domestic gene. It's why our ancestors lived in communities and eventually founded cities.
You're forgetting the fundamental biology of these species
Wolfs are pack animals, very sociable by nature which makes it a lot easier for a dog to interact with humans.
Foxes are NOT social animals, they are solitary very scared animals, they are by far not the top predator in their environment so a domesticated fox would be more similar to a domestic cat than a dog...
Pedro Ribeiro Exactly. Most people seem to think a „domesticated“ (I’ll put that in quotation marks as these foxes are not domesticated, that process tales far more generations than those puny sixty years) fox behaves like a dog with a fox’s fur, when it’s not going to be even close to that.
The most important aspect of any animal to be potentially domesticated is a strong social structure. As you have already mentioned dogs are a prime example of that, while foxes just like tigers and all these other exotic animals that belong anywhere _but_ in a human‘s living room are solitary and as such not easily willing to share their time and space with others.
They are just not _made_ to be someone’s status symbol.
Good thinking. I agree.
Cats live in social groups
@@chari---zard Toms and Queens are very social..... Felines often live in pacts and have territories. Cats just kinda started eating the mice and rats around farms. They slowly became domesticated over time.
Cats do live in social groups and foxes do as well but not in the same way as wolves. Fox family structures have a mated pair, a helper adult female (often offspring who stayed, but can be unrelated) and kits. They do disperse more after kits are reared but females are more likely to stick together in small groups of 2-3.
A fox on Kew gardens ran towards us the other day when he heard we had food. He stuck around and took some pictures with us but kept his distance. He was as relaxed as I've ever seen one in the city. A beautiful looking creature!
I’m in no way an expert but maybe the difference between foxes and dogs in part is due to that wolves are very sociable with other wolves, as in they have packs. Foxes, on the other hand, are solitary hunters and rarely form groups
Thank you yes. Exactly. I commented on this too :-) great to see someone with common sense too :-)
@Vex Verdis foxes are more standoffish wild or tamed because they see us as predators. Because they are prey n predator.
@Vex Verdis this will never ever change no matter how long we breed them for. God created them n so they will always be. We can not make a new species out of them.
Take horses always skittish because they are prey always dangerous
@@healingandgrowth-infp4677 There is no such word as 'n' in the English language
@@vulc1I've always used "n" none of my friends seem to mind. Why should I care what a stranger thinks. Don't like it move along.
"I gotta ignore you for 2 minutes"
dog "not gonna happen, bud"
final bossfight: good boy
Dog: Im gonna do whats called a pro gamer move
Didn't address the fact that dogs/wolfs have a pack mentality and foxes don't?
Harm Won 3:56 that pretty much explained it in a very simple way.
That is what I was going to say-- Fox are not social, pack animals. Put them in a category with cats.
@Brian Brinck Nielsen they don't move in packs, thats why your cat spends alone time while dogs dont
Domestic dogs actually don't have the same pack mentality that wolves do. On their own, domesticated dogs will pal around with other dogs in loose social groups, but not tight-knit packs with one breeding pair and their offspring who do literally everything together. Most other dog species do the loose coalition thing, including foxes.
Reg Fife cause his pack is his owner your the alpha wolf.
Zebras do the same loose pack behavior but they can never be domesticated.
He’s sitting in a Sea bear circle
Yes
Is that a spongeBob and/or Pamtri reference?
Robyn Burr yeah
Chester GC yes it is
Chester GC spongebob
SWIPER, NO SWIPING.
WTF ARE YOU JUSTIN.Y 2.0!!???
Awh, maaaan
nice one
And through 60 of selective breeding, swipers descendants no longer could swipe.
That SOB stole my kid.
Normal foxes: "Whine"
Russian foxes: "Cyka blyat"
A Russian fox will stand for the Soviet anthem
@@dezmobluefire8217 That too on *Two* *legs.*
American dog brings you flip flops
Russian fox brings you vodka
Suka blyat means f*cking b*tch
they wouldn't say that, they were bread to be friendly and nice. they'd actually say привет друг, приятно познакомиться.
2020: Domesticated fox
2035: Domesticated bears
vikings do that
but...
2 bears will fight for the territory
in the same city
you can imagen the rest
@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379 They ahead of their time..
@@user-bo1ej5im9t those pagan rapists? of course and im charlesmagne!
Imagine the fbi having an army of bears
domesticated sharks lol
You're calling cats domesticated? They've trained you well.
lol
I read somewhere that foxes are just cat software running on dog hardware and this video confirmed it for me
@@heshiram1188 Double lol 😄
cats domesticated humans: a cat simply meows and a human starts a whole charade to find out what she wants :)
well, cats domesticated themselves to have just the right amount to be able to survive in the wild, but still get affection, and food from humans.
Animals: *Exist*
Humans: *_It's free real estate._*
*Nah its Free real Friendship*
@@nyooom7467
If this manipulation is friendship then i gotta hard pass bro.
@@AntiCuteness It could be worse.
@@AntiCuteness but this does hv some good uses to it... like removing irrational fear from people bout wild animals...
Naveen Arora
This won't fix anything to do with irrational fears because they aren't wild animals anymore.
Its like saying dogs can remove fears of wolves.
these new dog update leaks are cool af, cant wait for the update
Sounds like the foxes could use growing up along side a group of puppies.
Think about it, a fox to each litter of puppies would get the social change they need.
Just like The Fox and the Hound Disney movies?
That might be true. But I think you could never make a domesticated fox behave like a dog.
Foxes live like wolves in family groups with a social structure but the big difference is that foxes hunt most of the time alone and wolves hunt most of the time in a pack. That's a very complex task that requires a lot of empathy and social interaction. I think dogs are so clingy because they are genetically hardwired to protect their master (alpha-dog) and to accomplish a mission together (hunting). The hunting pattern of foxes is much more similar to wild cats than wolves. You can only breed with genes that are already there.
van Rensburgs Gesicht great comment!!
The comparison to wild cats vs wolves is on the nose, however the idea of "alpha" individuals in wolf packs was disproved quite a while back. That was a theory of Dave Mech's back in the 70's that gained traction, which he's since put a lot of work into rebuking. The relationship is more like strict parents and their children, as well as (in the case of unrelated individuals joining the pack) young friends of the family. So in tense, complicated social interactions like hunting, yearlings and pups don't necessarily try to protect and serve their master, but rather work together as a family under the guidance of a parent or parents toward a common goal. I know this is a minor point, but I think it reinforces your point more - foxes don't have this same opportunity to create social bonds with their peers and relatives because they split off from the family group years before a wolf normally would. While a wolf spends years creating social cues for survival's sake.
This is how my mom and I plan to raise our future fox. My aunt and uncle have a golden who they are planning on breeding, so we are getting one of their puppies. When we get a puppy, we are going to get a fox welp shortly after my mom gets her exotic ownership license.
We are moving in the summer to a home in Tennessee which will be on plenty of land for our animals (our two current cats included) to be able to run, plus a pool for our fox and golden to be able to swim in. The house will also be big enough to fit them. We are already starting to get what we will need for our fox and golden retriever.
Foxes: Hi... Bye
Dogs: *OMG IS THAT A NEW PERSON ILY ILY ILY SIKSJNB AJDH AJZJJ*
Cats: "feed me or go f*ck yourself..."
@@2-dsynctium773 are you justin.y and this is your second account because your almost in every new youtube videos.
FBI that’s my dog lol
nobody's random videos It’s just multiple people with that name and pfp.
nobody's random videos
There’s multiple people named that, it’s a meme.
I know some foxes
Finnegan, Dixie and vixie
And Felix!
What about fox foxingten?
@@robagnew9719 what about fox foxington?
I know Nick
Dixie and Vixie is from a Russian cartoon xD
I’m pretty sure that gene also correlates with the spitz type tail in dogs as well. The foxes started to develop more curled tails the more domesticated they became. Interesting that these foxes don’t show that trait?
LIKE THE BASENJI FROM CONGO? OR ON ART GLIFS OF PHAROS IN EGYPT?
That circle is perfect for repelling seabears
Spongebob reference
good thing they didn't make an oval by mistake
Seabears are the reason I stay out of the ocean...
Yeah but did you wear your anti Sea Rhino underwear??
Sea rinos are a diffrent story
I love how each time he says "Belyaev" (or other Russian NAME) the subtitles say "(speaks foreign language)" XD
I mean... it's literally spelled out on-screen every time. Sounds like the subtitle editor's sleeping on the job.
Do AIs sleep on the job?
Yeah cut the AI some slack
I love that they subtitled the guy speaking English in English.
@@catweasle5737 not everyone has the best hearing abilities
Friend: "are you a cat or dog person?"
Me: *fox go FLOOF*
I am a turtle/tortoise person
I miss RonRon😭
noahsully lol bruh it’s a Mario enemy
@noahsully lol r/woooosh
R.I.P RonRon
6:17 has me cackling thinking of this quote out of context.
I want a domesticated crocodile
It can work as my mobile boat and portable security guard
laser325 it’ll be domesticated
Lol 4488 trur
@laser325 that why we need to domesticate it as dogs are
*INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR*
@laser325 no, pitbulls are raised that way. Not born that way
Me: "Where can I get one"
Price: *$9000*
Me: nvm
Same
People with the dough are probably having a great time tho
Dang i can get a fox for 300$ where i live
@BryTheAnimator michigan
Haha 😄🤣
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
I don’t get it
@@danieladams3413 It covers all the letters of the alphabet.
@UCefRQta49yqttFscKOG9XfA oVer
Irrelevant Spectator H?
I've seen you and some other guy that deleted his comment say the exact thing except his was a W and a V. All I can say is read the sentence again.
1:14 bro didnt want to witness the grand canyon again 😭😭
He protecc
He attacc
But most of all
He fluffy as faccc
Facc u.
Facc u
Facc us
Facc calm.
*Florian, I’ve came here for you!*
cummies whaaaaaa
I could never imagine myself saying 'Good Fox' to a Fox that obeyed my command.
Saying “good fox” just comes off as really awkward imo, doesnt roll off the tongue very well
You won't say "Good wolf" to a dog, they won't be foxes anymore when were done with em, Jack Russel Terriers are still superior then foxes in every way so they got a long journey ahead of them.
Basically just a dog now
I never say good wolf or good dog either it just sounds wrong i just call them good boys
@@banned2911 yes good boys, even cats can be called good boys cuz they are good boys 🐈🐕💜✨
"I want a house pet, but cats and dogs are too mainstream"
Belyaev: "Hold on, I'll tame you a fox!"
only for 20000$ that is
The closest thing to a domesticated fox I’ve seen was one that couldn’t be released back into the wild after rehabilitation.
It still seemed so nervous and anxious it made me anxious
This was a great video
I have a rescue fox, and people always say “O, so he’s domesticated?”
I say “No, he’s tamed. Pretty much still wild, but he’s used to me, and kinda likes me” This confuses most people
People just get confused on whether an animal is domesticated or tamed. I used to have squirrels that would come by for food, even in winter. But they run off when they see other humans. They are just used to me not domesticated, damn it.
Life's Wild Adventures My parents have a breeding pair that return to their yard to raise pups each spring. Their wild, but tame... And adorable. We put out water and dog food on drought summers.
Same here with my raccoons, even the ones born in captivity on a fur farm. I have to explain: Not domesticated! (In truth, have known some wild born raccoons to be more sociable than captive bred ones). I liked towards the end where the fox owner spoke of "those rare moments". Boom! That's the part that makes a wild animal unsuitable for 99% of humans, because they want and expect every moment to be that (as it is with a dog). That's such an unrealistic expectation. The relationship is on their terms, not ours, not negotiable! You get (who) you get. As always, what is missing here is the "individual" factor. Science and all of wildlife management (and too many people) just won't stop trying to shove entire species into one box. Every animal is a UNIQUE individual with his/her OWN personality and temperament.
And how they think they're doing this study right with animals living in 4' barren wire cages is really pathetic. Any dog would become far less sociable subjected to that life :( who wouldn't?
I have an orphaned Fishing Cat I raised and its the same thing, I socialized her well as a kitten but I'm still the only human she tolerates...chased my AC guy out of the house a few months ago. lol
Im pretty experienced with tamed/domesticated animals, since my family used to own a racoon and a fishing cat. How much did you get your fox for, or did you save it? Thanks, my family have been wanting to take care of a fox, sooo.
"red fox from Russia"
Me: *These foxes are comrades*
Comrade *spy* fox
@blue27845 This is exactly why I take more breaks from the internet
@@thedinguskhan9299 everybody always tries so hard to be funny, it ruins everything
Soviet Russia music In the distance
Красная лиса против диктатуры буржуазии!
Foxes aren't social pack animals. Their domesticated behavior makes perfect sense.
Great point, they not programmed in first place to please others.
Stephen Courton neither were wolves
5000mahmud Wolves are a pack animal. They work in social structures.
@@stephencourton3328 "they not programmed in first place to please others"
Oh boi, do you know why this selective breeding exist in first place? Not exactly to make breed that goes around and please others.
It was during my own lifetime they were saying foxes could never be domesticated yet here we are.
In 1970 my grandparents found a fox cub raised it and it was as nice as the foxes in this video.
It played with the family dog and was so nice that he was even let to play with my mother (who was 2-3 years old at the time) without any problems. The fox wasn't aggressive and didn't mess up the furniture. My grandpa was closest to the fox and in old pictures you can always see the fox in my grandpa's lap smiling.
The fox slept outside the house in his own dog house so he could go freely wander around and always came back in the morning to wait for my grandparents to open the door inside.
Unfortunately after them having the fox for about 4-6 years he went missing and wasn't seen after that, my grandma told me that she believed the neighbor had caught it since he was a hunter, and owning a fox back then was not allowed and could get fined for owning one as a pet.
Ye, Itd be interseting to see the behavior of one of the domesticated foxes also being bred and socialised as a regular pet would. Cats that arent raised around humans or even other cats behavior much differently than cats raised as pets.
Hunting with some very solid grid coordinates weren't they?
@@hiroshell7973 Hunting back in the 70s in Finland wasn't really limited to any specific lands, if you saw a fox in someone's yard you could shoot it and take it home.
That explains also why the fox population dropped drastically in 70-90s
I guess the fox thought he was a dog?
Yeah the neighbor would go missing
This is like a dog and a cat combined and i love it
But a wild animal
That you are wanting to get because it looks cool
@@oligilliganrobloxminecraft7953 no its not fully wild
@@oligilliganrobloxminecraft7953 it’s not wild anymore it’s domesticated
@@oligilliganrobloxminecraft7953 they also act like it too
When the fox wags its tail it's so cute
Well as the first few seconds of the video clarified: Taming and domestication are two different things. Taming is what you are calling domestication while what domestication actually involves an extremely long process of selective breeding for less and less wild traits. This only 60 years of progress, not even close to being fully domesticated if that gives you an idea on how long domestication takes.
That's not necessarily the case. Cats, for example, differ remarkably little from their wild counterparts.
RainAngel111 i need this fox
It was hilarious when he brought the dog in. 😂
No hesitation on the part of the dog. 😂
How can I domesticate my mother in law?
No
Beun Haas underrated comment
Pee on her to show dominance
Only men have the domestication gene. Haven't you noticed that your ears shrank and you became more hairy after getting married?
milký potato 😂😂😂
"Ok guys we have domesticated dogs to the point where we can do literally anything with them. We have succeeded after generations of breeding work!"
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"And now? .... "
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*looks at fox
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"Now we hit prestiege mode!"
egg
good old cod days
Many dog breeds are much more powerful then foxes
@Fox Boy yeah, foxes are considered to be mischievous and intelligent.
while dogs may be trained, they aren't like the foxes.
@@aniusers exactly. Foxes are shown to have very high intelligence, instead of power.
Brains > Brawn
1. 'Path to Doghood' sounds like the title of a rap album.
2. May I have some of that 'friendliness gene', please?
agree, also, agree
"Path to doghood" ?= application to be the girlfriend of a certain person
It sounds like a mid 2000s kids movie.
I think "path to doghood" is Snoop Dogg's latest release....
Ok *hands a vial of latex imbued with the genes of a dogs best qualities and something else*
"they greet and interact, and then they move on"
soooo... they're basically cats.
If someone put a cat in that room with the circle, the cat would walk around, sniff the man, and then curl up somewhere to sleep.
Cats don't poop on your kitchen counter unless they're really stupid. IMO an animal that can't be housebroken is best as a pet only in a climate where you can keep them outdoors year round. Otherwise it's just gonna lead to frustration on both sides.
Rachel Solomon
Foxes and cats are very similar.
My
Cat comes up to me and tries to snuggle with me
Scooters Videos yes exactly
"their ears got fluffier"
YES!! All the fluff!!
Milennin Floppy not fluffy. Floppy ears meant the ears are more wiggly and not as erect as before, it has a direct proportion to the fox being more domesticated.
Imagine a fox girl out of fox (yae sakura)
@@cat_atouille I'm sure both happened.
Foxes 1.15.0
*fluffier*
@@sharanpaulsinku1096 how about tamamo?