Omni man killed many people, but we need to remember that he was born and grew up in a horrible society, that molded him into a monster. Being on a planet populated by a weak species, where he got to play a hero and fall in love, changed him. Back when he lashed out at the end of season 1, he had a cognitive dissonance about his mission and his way of life. And in the end, Mark's words broke through to him. He was not built to feel compassion, but by Thraxa events, compassion and care became emotions he actually felt. So human power of compassion, love and empathy, turned a brainwashed monster into a real hero.
“Why? Why do I care about them? They were weak. Short lived. Barely a species. They shouldn’t matter to me.” “That doesn’t mean they should die.” “YOU DON”T UNDERSTAND! I”M NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL THIS WAY! HOW IS THIS BETTER?!?” “This is how you should of felt on Earth.”
It must be horrible as hell for Nolan. Viltrumites raised him like a barbarian, they teached him to hate, that everyone else is inferior to him, an indoctrination that lasted centuries. But when he arrived to Earth, it was only neccesary 20 years living as a human to learn how to love, how to truly care about the rest of the people, how to be a hero. But he isn't yet used to feel this way, to feel love and kindness. Despite, he surely thinks he doesn't deserves to feel these things, because these are human feelings, and he feels like after everything he did in Chicago, he doesn't deserve to feel like a human.
@@sharkbyte1565 listen man he was brainwashed by his own species, it took almost killing his own son to break him out of it and see what wrong he'd actually done, that's some tough shit
@@amazing5998 did you ......did you watch the show? He annihilates a entire planet Not to mention the countless other planets he annihilated under viltrumite order
Nick Cave’s version of this seems to be more tragic than the orginal, which is why it worked perfectly in this scene. Whoever is picking the music for the scenes has done their work, they made sure each encapsulated the mood of the characters. I’m almost afraid for the future.
This^ They are doing an amazing job with production. While holding true to the comics. It’s a phenomenal adaptation. The song choices couldn’t be better. Starting with season 1 ep 1
@@DecomposingJedi They are not 100% being true to the comics and thats a good thing. The comics were not perfect and the actually manage to improve on them.
They're changing a bit but I feel like they're truly keeping the SOUL of what made the comic so staggering to begin with. At least so far. (DO NOT F THIS UP AMAZON.)
@@firechargeogname in the comic, Omni Man flying through space with the black hole and all did not happen. But I’m glad the show writers expand on the comics story with show-exclusive scenes such as these
Omni-man, while doing horrible things, is kind of the poster child of growing up in a cycle of trauma. He can never let himself feel too comfortable when he seemingly has everything he could want, because he is just waiting for the other shoe to drop. And he tries to pass that trauma and hurt on to his son because it’s so engrained in him. But his son’s love holds up a mirror to him and he realizes that all his justification for the violence and anger was just self sabotage. That’s the realization he has been having over this season. He screwed up because he thought the only way he could be was a violent conqueror. Debbie and Mark showed him that he never had to be anything more than a husband and a father.
i never thought i would feel for omni man again but seeing how much he regrets what hes done, enough to literally kill himself was saddening. he lost everything, viltrum, his mission, his life..his wife, kid and the love of every last person on earth. he shook off the conditioning of tens of thousands of years because he loved his son so much. i will say this though while i understand nolan understanding does not equel forgiveness
They very wisely chose this song...its lyrics give goosebumps if you are an invincible fan...and all those who have read comics they know that why these lines mean so much and how much change is gonna come in omni man in upcoming time or in his words "the next 500 years''
@@emoasu7706 It's going to be so great to see how the rest of Invincible gets animated, especially with Omni-Man's part of story. We're going to get a really amazing development in the second half of season 2 if I remember the pacing of the comics right
From the start to end of the comics, the quote “What will you have after 500 years?” Just brings a tear to my eye. By the end, this show will be one of the greatest ever.
Nolan is probably my favourite character in the show for just how complex he is and the scene of him drifting through space was absolutely amazing and without words we knew what he was thinking and going through
I think this version reflects Nolan’s headspace better. Sets a scene where you don’t need the character to speak to get the idea. This show stays putting me on music. Last week was Allens theme
The second part of the song, the part that does not appear in the show, it fits oh so well with his love for his wife, the lyrics are so perfect for Nolan
Invincible said that Omni-Man was being controlled, right? Well, that's what I'm seeing. Nolan was born in a horrible society to be a conqueror and a monster. I think the viltrumites didn't let their new born kind be themselves.
[Verse 1] I stepped into an avalanche It covered up my soul When I am not this hunchback that you see I sleep beneath a golden hill You who wish to conquer pain You must learn, learn to serve me well [Verse 2] You strike my side by accident As you go down for your goal The cripple here that you clothe and feed Is neither starved nor cold He does not ask for your company Not at the centre, the centre of the world [Verse 3] When I am on a pedestal You did not raise me there Your laws do not compel me now To kneel grotesque and bare I myself am the pedestal For this ugly hump at which you stare [Verse 4] You who wish to conquer pain You must learn what makes me kind The crumbs of love that you offer me They're the crumbs I've left behind Your pain is no credential here It's just a shadow, shadow of my wound [Verse 5] I have begun to long for you I who have no greed I have begun to ask for you I who have no need You say you've gone away from me But I can feel you, feel you when you breathe [Verse 6] Do not dress in those rags for me I know you are not poor And don't love me quite so fiercely now When you know that you are not sure It is your turn, my beloved one It is your flesh that I wear
Omni man is a good representation of a narcissistic parent. Its no excuse for the harm they inflict, but this scene reminded me how truly miserable people like this really are. Having a parent that has left me broken in many ways, I know the life that formed them was worse than what got dished out to me.
He really loves his family , for him life doesnt mean anything without em ,he said in thraxa he feels like he has purpose again, its mean he found his first purpose in life when he with mark and debbie on earth 😢
This doesn't feel like Omni-Man's theme in a sense but rather a way of what Mark would really say to Nolan. Especially the lines: "You who wish to conquer pain, you must learn what makes me kind" as Nolan is only feeling humanity now whereas Mark has been feeling humanity for ages. "You strike my side by accident as you go down for your goal" Nolan wounding Mark in service of the Viltrumite empire yet ended up abandoning it And the best one "Your pain has no credential here, its just a shadow of my wound" Nolan has no right to complain about feeling bad or melancholic for the sheer pain he caused Mark, Debbie and Earth.
I will always feel Omni man had to choose between the empire and the people he grew to love on earth, but in order to save everyone on earth from complete destruction, he had to choose the empire. The easiest coping method was to associate earthlings with weaklings. Him writing those books about the viltrumites weaknesses can help establish his change after spending time on earth.
At first I loved him. Then hated him. Now I love him all over again. Omni-man is a valued piece of shit. But his story is evidence that redemption is possible through love. Not through force or coercion but love. In the end, love, in any form, conquers all.
Sometimes I do believe villains and bad people can be repent from them evil ways As long they had a conscience And realize that life is not gray It Black and White Black and White is seeing what right and wrong What good and evil That how me And everyone else believe the same way
Totally unrelated note (this got me thinking of gummy goo from The amazing digital circus...Yes I finally saw it) on my UA-cam TV (yes I know he is an NPC and he can be brought back but it's still not the same)
"poor fella"? He murdered thousands and traumatized even more. Not to mention he was planning on taking over Earth. He reaped what he sew. that being said, he did realize his errors. Still...
You also gotta remember that he was raised to be an emotionless killing machine that only cared about conquering yet his family did change him but he was trying to reject that fact by trying to get mark to join him into conquering earth yet after mark showed how much he loved him he realized he did love him family but left because after all the shit he was done was basically something he can never take back and he tried to find another planet that the vultrimites can conquer instead of earth not saying he isn't a terrible person but he was raised to be one but when the story progressed he started turning into someone decent
@@toastynachoos Completely agree with this. The same people who forgave him would see a picture of Stalin looking sad with a sad song in the background and go "oh man he's a new man time to forgive" it's like man yeah sure we can feel bad for a monster but it doesn't change what the monsters done. Not in the slightest.
@@davidgreen3001the difference is stalin got to pick what he wanted to be a ruthless dictator meanwhile omni man either gets purged like all the weak viltrumites or lives omni man had no choice on the type of person he would its either death or being a conqueror
"You who wish to conquer pain You must learn to serve me well You who wish to conquer pain You must learn what makes me kind" The first steps in reforming a Fascist are contained in those 4 lines. Not all are irredeemable. Remember Woody Guthrie's guitar had on it the statement "this machine kills Fascists". Was the machine in question his guitar, the music he made with it, or the love for his fellow humans that drove him to write such music? All of the above? Reason and love. Those are our best weapons against the wannabe Omnimen of this world. And if that fails, there's always a nice Gulag... with a TV and a variety of nice cuisine...good Gulag, not like those awful old Soviet ones😂
If you think Viltrumites are evil, you're wrong they were just raised that way. Spoiler. . . . The evidence that they can be good is because some viltrumite loved their human partners. They're proven to have the ability to care for their loved ones if given the chance...
Nolan is a fascinating character, but can we please stop excusing his actions as "But that's just how he was raised." That is not a valid answer, there is a point where your upbringing does not excuse your actions, he still *willingly* slaughtered potentially millions of innocent men, women, and children.
He knows what he did was bad, thats why he said to Mark that he cant go back to Earth, he was about to commit suicide because of the guilt, you most likely watched the second half so you do know that he wishes to die for his actions when he was in prison. We are not excusing his actions but it is clear that he regrets them big time.
Omni man killed many people, but we need to remember that he was born and grew up in a horrible society, that molded him into a monster. Being on a planet populated by a weak species, where he got to play a hero and fall in love, changed him. Back when he lashed out at the end of season 1, he had a cognitive dissonance about his mission and his way of life. And in the end, Mark's words broke through to him. He was not built to feel compassion, but by Thraxa events, compassion and care became emotions he actually felt.
So human power of compassion, love and empathy, turned a brainwashed monster into a real hero.
He's not a hero, just a man.
this comment right here💯💯💯💯
Well said
Still doesn’t make up for the mass genocide of the Flaxans
@@exineptiasthis is probably the best comment in the whole comment section
this isn't Omni-Mans theme, its Nolan's
Or sad JJJ
@@PullOffYouSkinThat should not have made me laugh so hard lol
@@PullOffYouSkinI'd be sad too if I couldn't get pictures of spiderman
Omni-Man died that day in Chicago. Mark killed him. Now it only remains Nolan.
YOOOOU. I like you so hard.
“Why? Why do I care about them? They were weak. Short lived. Barely a species. They shouldn’t matter to me.”
“That doesn’t mean they should die.”
“YOU DON”T UNDERSTAND! I”M NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL THIS WAY! HOW IS THIS BETTER?!?”
“This is how you should of felt on Earth.”
It must be horrible as hell for Nolan. Viltrumites raised him like a barbarian, they teached him to hate, that everyone else is inferior to him, an indoctrination that lasted centuries.
But when he arrived to Earth, it was only neccesary 20 years living as a human to learn how to love, how to truly care about the rest of the people, how to be a hero. But he isn't yet used to feel this way, to feel love and kindness.
Despite, he surely thinks he doesn't deserves to feel these things, because these are human feelings, and he feels like after everything he did in Chicago, he doesn't deserve to feel like a human.
Now I feel sorry for him. He really does love his family. He was ready to fall into a black hole and end it all.
i mean kinda hard to feel sorry for the guy responsible for billions of innocent deaths
@@sharkbyte1565definitely not billions
@@amazing5998 I dont think he means just earth
@@sharkbyte1565 listen man he was brainwashed by his own species, it took almost killing his own son to break him out of it and see what wrong he'd actually done, that's some tough shit
@@amazing5998 did you ......did you watch the show? He annihilates a entire planet
Not to mention the countless other planets he annihilated under viltrumite order
Nick Cave’s version of this seems to be more tragic than the orginal, which is why it worked perfectly in this scene. Whoever is picking the music for the scenes has done their work, they made sure each encapsulated the mood of the characters. I’m almost afraid for the future.
This^
They are doing an amazing job with production. While holding true to the comics. It’s a phenomenal adaptation. The song choices couldn’t be better. Starting with season 1 ep 1
I read that as Nick Cage and almost had a fit🤣
@@DecomposingJedi They are not 100% being true to the comics and thats a good thing. The comics were not perfect and the actually manage to improve on them.
Agree totally, thing is this song is a rarity…i’m a great fan of nick cave who went to listen him live 3 Times and still didn’t know this song
This song hits hard when you're riding or walking and no one's by your side.
That scene was absolutely incredible
feeling that the scene wants to become from animation to real life
It was invencible
I read the comic and I’m so glad whenever they add amazing scenes like these to the show.
They're changing a bit but I feel like they're truly keeping the SOUL of what made the comic so staggering to begin with. At least so far. (DO NOT F THIS UP AMAZON.)
@@neuesachlichkeit6919Robert Kirkman (comic writer) is the show-runner. As long as he’s in charge we’re good
Wait so if they're putting scenes from the comic into the show then we're getting THAT scene
@@firechargeogname in the comic, Omni Man flying through space with the black hole and all did not happen. But I’m glad the show writers expand on the comics story with show-exclusive scenes such as these
@@PkorniBoi oh I meant with Anissa
Omni-man, while doing horrible things, is kind of the poster child of growing up in a cycle of trauma. He can never let himself feel too comfortable when he seemingly has everything he could want, because he is just waiting for the other shoe to drop. And he tries to pass that trauma and hurt on to his son because it’s so engrained in him. But his son’s love holds up a mirror to him and he realizes that all his justification for the violence and anger was just self sabotage. That’s the realization he has been having over this season. He screwed up because he thought the only way he could be was a violent conqueror. Debbie and Mark showed him that he never had to be anything more than a husband and a father.
i never thought i would feel for omni man again but seeing how much he regrets what hes done, enough to literally kill himself was saddening. he lost everything, viltrum, his mission, his life..his wife, kid and the love of every last person on earth. he shook off the conditioning of tens of thousands of years because he loved his son so much. i will say this though while i understand nolan understanding does not equel forgiveness
I was speechless watching the scene as this played
Nevermind Nolan's inner turmoil this song made me look inside my own damn soul its so moving
They very wisely chose this song...its lyrics give goosebumps if you are an invincible fan...and all those who have read comics they know that why these lines mean so much and how much change is gonna come in omni man in upcoming time or in his words "the next 500 years''
you just made me so excited for the upcoming episodes and seasons
@@emoasu7706 It's going to be so great to see how the rest of Invincible gets animated, especially with Omni-Man's part of story. We're going to get a really amazing development in the second half of season 2 if I remember the pacing of the comics right
From the start to end of the comics, the quote “What will you have after 500 years?” Just brings a tear to my eye. By the end, this show will be one of the greatest ever.
Nolan is probably my favourite character in the show for just how complex he is and the scene of him drifting through space was absolutely amazing and without words we knew what he was thinking and going through
“I gave you all I had … I did.”
“Our time has passed, John…”
Hearing this song makes me think of my cousin. He served in the war and was scarred coming home. Beautiful song for ptsd
I think this version reflects Nolan’s headspace better. Sets a scene where you don’t need the character to speak to get the idea.
This show stays putting me on music. Last week was Allens theme
allen deserved better.
@@Rob-sz3oehe'll be fine
@@Rob-sz3oewhat doesn’t kill him simply makes stronger. So, basically each time he dies or is close to death, he gets stronger.
This song is a cover by nick cave but if you like the song you should listen to Leonard Cohen (the original creator of the song)
@@ruebenvoyageur8149the key word here is "what does *not* kill him". Bro had his internal organs become his external organs
The second part of the song, the part that does not appear in the show, it fits oh so well with his love for his wife, the lyrics are so perfect for Nolan
What are you talking about this is the full song lyrics and all
@@thegermanexperiance_ I know, I'm simply talking about the part of the song that does NOT appear in the show...
Invincible said that Omni-Man was being controlled, right? Well, that's what I'm seeing. Nolan was born in a horrible society to be a conqueror and a monster. I think the viltrumites didn't let their new born kind be themselves.
Talk about just a perfect choice for this scene and this character. But at this point I wouldn't expect any less.
Leonard Cohen is a genius! God bless his soul!
Our Minecraft dog after we die in hardcore be like:
The crumbs of love that you offer me are the crumbs I've left behind, this line man! So good
I'm in love with this song
Me too
[Verse 1]
I stepped into an avalanche
It covered up my soul
When I am not this hunchback that you see
I sleep beneath a golden hill
You who wish to conquer pain
You must learn, learn to serve me well
[Verse 2]
You strike my side by accident
As you go down for your goal
The cripple here that you clothe and feed
Is neither starved nor cold
He does not ask for your company
Not at the centre, the centre of the world
[Verse 3]
When I am on a pedestal
You did not raise me there
Your laws do not compel me now
To kneel grotesque and bare
I myself am the pedestal
For this ugly hump at which you stare
[Verse 4]
You who wish to conquer pain
You must learn what makes me kind
The crumbs of love that you offer me
They're the crumbs I've left behind
Your pain is no credential here
It's just a shadow, shadow of my wound
[Verse 5]
I have begun to long for you
I who have no greed
I have begun to ask for you
I who have no need
You say you've gone away from me
But I can feel you, feel you when you breathe
[Verse 6]
Do not dress in those rags for me
I know you are not poor
And don't love me quite so fiercely now
When you know that you are not sure
It is your turn, my beloved one
It is your flesh that I wear
Omni man is a good representation of a narcissistic parent. Its no excuse for the harm they inflict, but this scene reminded me how truly miserable people like this really are. Having a parent that has left me broken in many ways, I know the life that formed them was worse than what got dished out to me.
Confused not raised to no such things
You have to think of him as a child to humanity
He was literally brainwashed to be like this, he was lying to himself, denying the fact that he has changed.
WHY AM I CRYING!!!!
This is Nolan's theme. Omniman's theme is Holy F*ck by Tom Tom
This song is so fucking good. This show is so fucking good.
This is JJJ theme when he's conflicted about Spiderman being a menace or savior.
Nolan was about to unalive himself into a black hole, pretty wild.
Haunting.
Beautiful.
It's a song about Jesus
I have begun to long for you
*I who have no greed*
I have begun to ask for you
*I who have no need*
He really loves his family , for him life doesnt mean anything without em ,he said in thraxa he feels like he has purpose again, its mean he found his first purpose in life when he with mark and debbie on earth 😢
Great as always
Thank you
The song js saving me from doing the worst. O wish I wouldn't trym but the song reminds me I can't because everything matters.
this song is a beauty
They couldn’t have picked a better song to capture Nolan’s sadness and self-loathing.
This doesn't feel like Omni-Man's theme in a sense but rather a way of what Mark would really say to Nolan. Especially the lines:
"You who wish to conquer pain, you must learn what makes me kind" as Nolan is only feeling humanity now whereas Mark has been feeling humanity for ages.
"You strike my side by accident as you go down for your goal" Nolan wounding Mark in service of the Viltrumite empire yet ended up abandoning it
And the best one "Your pain has no credential here, its just a shadow of my wound" Nolan has no right to complain about feeling bad or melancholic for the sheer pain he caused Mark, Debbie and Earth.
it felt to me that it's what omniman was saying to himself in his head
Iys Nolan Grayson Theme
You're right!!
living hundreds of years one way, a man's only way is tested
❤❤❤❤❤
I will always feel Omni man had to choose between the empire and the people he grew to love on earth, but in order to save everyone on earth from complete destruction, he had to choose the empire. The easiest coping method was to associate earthlings with weaklings.
Him writing those books about the viltrumites weaknesses can help establish his change after spending time on earth.
I thought Holly f*ck by Tom Tom was his theme song.
Nah that’s the viltrumite national anthem
@@LeBlingKingI thought their anthem was x gon give it too ya
I think that’s for the Flaxans, it’s just Omni Man stole the show when he annihilates them
Holy fuck is for Omni Man, Avalanche is for Nolan.
This cover cuts so deep
It’s so cool that they used this song, it’s definitely worse then the original but it’s really cool because it fits very well
At first I loved him. Then hated him. Now I love him all over again. Omni-man is a valued piece of shit. But his story is evidence that redemption is possible through love. Not through force or coercion but love. In the end, love, in any form, conquers all.
You should check the Ghost cover of this song. It sounds more sinister like a villain song.
Finally someone dropped this cover of Avalanche
Edit: idk who did the cover so I just waited for this
who is it bro
@@vinnyfyock834 you asking about whose cover is it?
Its Nick Cave, just look up Nick Cave Avalanche and this song will pop up
original song by Leonard Cohen, this version by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Sometimes I do believe villains and bad people can be repent from them evil ways
As long they had a conscience
And realize that life is not gray
It Black and White
Black and White is seeing what right and wrong
What good and evil
That how me
And everyone else believe the same way
peak
Totally unrelated note (this got me thinking of gummy goo from The amazing digital circus...Yes I finally saw it) on my UA-cam TV (yes I know he is an NPC and he can be brought back but it's still not the same)
Can’t blame him he was raised and bred for destruction but dispute this he broke through his written story
When you join your friends Minecraft world and you have to travel the world to find their base
Y’know before seeing who this was by I got a feeling like it had peaky blinders vibes. Now I see why.
STOP MAKING ME FEEL FOR HIM GOD DMN IT STOP..........
.............but not yet. Not JUST yet.....
I’m not a crier. But this scene made me bawl.
"poor fella"? He murdered thousands and traumatized even more. Not to mention he was planning on taking over Earth. He reaped what he sew. that being said, he did realize his errors. Still...
You also gotta remember that he was raised to be an emotionless killing machine that only cared about conquering yet his family did change him but he was trying to reject that fact by trying to get mark to join him into conquering earth yet after mark showed how much he loved him he realized he did love him family but left because after all the shit he was done was basically something he can never take back and he tried to find another planet that the vultrimites can conquer instead of earth not saying he isn't a terrible person but he was raised to be one but when the story progressed he started turning into someone decent
@@anti4107 Yes, but in comparison to the lives that he ended this is nothing.
@@toastynachoos Completely agree with this. The same people who forgave him would see a picture of Stalin looking sad with a sad song in the background and go "oh man he's a new man time to forgive" it's like man yeah sure we can feel bad for a monster but it doesn't change what the monsters done. Not in the slightest.
@@davidgreen3001 Finally someone who understands!
@@davidgreen3001the difference is stalin got to pick what he wanted to be a ruthless dictator meanwhile omni man either gets purged like all the weak viltrumites or lives omni man had no choice on the type of person he would its either death or being a conqueror
black sails
Hey can u upload credit music also in 4th episode
"You who wish to conquer pain
You must learn to serve me well
You who wish to conquer pain
You must learn what makes me kind"
The first steps in reforming a Fascist are contained in those 4 lines. Not all are irredeemable.
Remember Woody Guthrie's guitar had on it the statement "this machine kills Fascists".
Was the machine in question his guitar, the music he made with it, or the love for his fellow humans that drove him to write such music? All of the above?
Reason and love. Those are our best weapons against the wannabe Omnimen of this world. And if that fails, there's always a nice Gulag... with a TV and a variety of nice cuisine...good Gulag, not like those awful old Soviet ones😂
He just want’s pictures of Spider-Man
If Omni man ends his life in the black hole mark is looking for his father
Trying to find the right version of this on iTunes, it’s hard. The one I found feels more like borish country
search avalanche nick cave and click the one with the black album cover
@@hauntedtomato5346 THANK YOU SOO MUCH! Now I can blast this song on repeat for the next week. 😂
@@CodinPenguin I FELT THE SAME WAY
@@hauntedtomato5346 Thanks, I found it!
@@hauntedtomato5346thank you!
Who else noticed that they changed the song from radio head :karma police to this
Am I the only one noticing the captions being pretty wrong sometimes..
There's a song that sounds similar to this but I can't remember. Anyone got an idea? This is great too but damn it's bugging me.
Ah.. "Hurt" by Johnny Cash
Anyone know who’s singing the cover of this song?
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Why is the song different from the original song?
It’s the cover by Nick cave. It’s still okay but yeah the original clears wish they used it
This cover fits better for the scene. The Original doesn’t sound as regretful as this one
Because the original does not carry the same weight and feel. This version much better reflects a broken man the man who has nothing.
I mean tbh Leonard Cohen is great but Cave’s version is the best. First heard it on black sails and loved it since.
@@Michael-hc2vs Instantly recognized it from Black Sails. It'll never not remind me of _that_ episode.
If you think Viltrumites are evil, you're wrong they were just raised that way.
Spoiler.
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The evidence that they can be good is because some viltrumite loved their human partners. They're proven to have the ability to care for their loved ones if given the chance...
Nolan is a fascinating character, but can we please stop excusing his actions as "But that's just how he was raised." That is not a valid answer, there is a point where your upbringing does not excuse your actions, he still *willingly* slaughtered potentially millions of innocent men, women, and children.
No one is excusing his actions, stop fighting with imaginary people
Even Nolan acknowledges that what he did on Earth was unforgivable. But I don't know that this makes him beyond any redemption.
He knows what he did was bad, thats why he said to Mark that he cant go back to Earth, he was about to commit suicide because of the guilt, you most likely watched the second half so you do know that he wishes to die for his actions when he was in prison. We are not excusing his actions but it is clear that he regrets them big time.