Just finishing out 3 builds, all AR-15 platform, all 22 arc, all Proof barrels. One in 22”, one in 18” and one 16”. Your video here gives me high hopes of how good they’ll be!
Finally got to test my 18” carbon barrel yesterday. Running suppressed with a digital night vision optic I got a 1.15” 5 shot group on shots 6-10 on the barrel. Annnnd it’s my first time target shooting in over 10 years (long story)
I had terrible ejector marks on my 6ARC cases with a Faxon BCG that I initially ran. There was actually brass build up around the ejector hole after a couple rounds, probably raised about .005"-.008". I changed to the bolt provided by Shilen with the rifle barrel and I had no issues with ejector damage. I had Faxon replace the bolt and it had the same ejector damage. The only difference I found between the Faxon and Shilen bolts was the size of the ejector hole. The Shilen bolt had .001" clearance between the ejector and the ejector hole and the Faxon bolt had .005' clearance.
I know this is an older comment but my plan was to go with faxon for 6 arc build. I’ve been seeing a lot of good comments on sixfiveoutfitters for BCG and barrels. Haven’t seen any of the same issues you’re having with this company so far
That’s very interesting on your findings between loads. I built a 22arc San tan receivers 18” prof carbon and lantac bcg. 62s and 75s are golden. Yielding sub moa around 3/4 I measure like you. Now the 88s open up to almost 1.5” moa. I’m about 400 rounds into it. Possibly bad batch ( which I’ve never gotten) from hornady. Vltor a5 system on the back end.
@@luisc240 no I sure don’t same as my 6mm arc. With my flow through suppressor I still get an under gassed ejection. So an adjustable wouldn’t do me much good.
I made it to the end.... your final thoughts on the matter is a deciding factor for me, maybe for many, I own a 6mmARC, as interesting it is, for what I do (target to 500) is more than enough. As fun as it is to shoot a variety of calibers, 6mmARC and 223 is as far as I'll take it. Thanks for well produced content. Good day.
How do you like the eld-vts? Also since youve done the video have you started loading for them? Curious if you saw some pressure signs early, or at all because of the headspace issue
Both would be legit , but the 22 creed will outperform with shorter barrel life . Which is obvious. So I’d say, if you want a longer range capable bolt gun go 22 creed . If your average shot is say 300 and in the 22 arc will be great . 300 and put the 22 creed .
Wade, it would be nice if hornady made lighter grain vt bullets, but they won't bc then they would fit in "legacy" cartridges. Is the 62 too long to load in .223 or 22-250? Will the 80 load in .243? Is that correct? I dont load so idk for sure..
I haven’t taken a look at 250 yet, so unsure on that one. 223 if you make some for bolt guns it may work. Past that not so much. Unsure on 243 . I know why they chose what they did for modern cartridges and chamber specs etc. But, there’s nothing stopping them from going lighter even if it’s for the newer cartridge designs. But, it’s always easy to say stuff from the sidelines. I’m sure they had good reason for the ones they chose.
Should do the 22-250 in an AR platform vs the arc. That way you can shit on the AR10 at the same time for all the people that said the 22arc doesn't matter because there is 22-250 AR's. Always gets me how many people think there isn't any difference between AR15/10
Would also be interested in listening to what they would say . Would love them to review a specialized dynamics 22-250 vs a 22 ARC AR build . Love that the SD rifle is a 7# AR-10 rifle ..
22 arc brass will more than likely be held up just like 6 arc. Military complex has to be testing this like crazy. 77lrx, Berger’s offerings, Hornady 88/90, nosier, sierra(who they are fond of) 90/95 grainer. Endless options to achieve what the 100+ range does out of 6arc
Totally agree, just wish Howa would get it together on there magazine availability as well as after market support with chassis for the Howa mini action
I too am a Proof Research barrel fan boy. One 16" chambered 223 with 1-7" twist full stainless heavy profile. This barrel shoots soo good I put a spare Tangent Theta on it just to see how good. I trued the upper and use Trigger Tech diamond at 1 lb 9 oz. With 73 grn eldm it will do right at .5 moa 10 shot groups.
What temps did you last get and shoot said ammo as compared to now? And have you cleaned your rifle lately? No saying something hasn’t changed, but curious.
@kaianuanu I just got a stainless proof barrel for 570. But if you're looking for a good 6 or 22 arc barrel for a reasonable price satern liberty barrels are pretty good. I was having an issue with my arc brass and Steve satern personally called me and gave me a great lesson on the arc and ar15 reloading.
Wouldn’t let me reply to your comment, the rifle is clean. the parameters are pretty close to the same as the last time I shot factory ammo just different lot numbers. I hand load and have never pierced or flattened a primer until the other day..makes me a little nervous tbh. I wouldn’t think the seating depth would change that much from lot to lot maybe touching the lands 🤷♂️causing a pressure spike. idk imma have to do more investigating when I get back in town.
The ARC platform is best for semiautomatic rifles AR’s. I truly don’t see why getting a Bolt Action on 22 ARC, when there is a 22 Creedmoor that outperforms in all stats in Bolt Action.
Yes in the 22 creed , love it . Haven’t gotten the 22 arc out yet though. Other things take precedence over factory ammo in the testing priorities. But, soon .
First minute in comment… what does hitting the bell icon do for you? Wade talk “I’ll preface this with” lol, all it does for me is guarantee that I will have your channel deleted from my watch list! Ever since I quit hitting it bell icon I haven’t lost any of my subscribed channels… Also wade talk “just sayin”😂
14:44 “stopped reloading because I just don’t care anymore” What a terrible approach. Spending that much on a proof carbon barrel only to use mediocre ammo is crazy. Reloading is how you get consistent groups and really get the performance out of something like the 6ARC. The amount you are leaving on the table is something you will only know with experience. This is the last time I watch your content and the last comment I will make. Reloading is key to long range anything.
I think he enjoys reloading, just in a different sense. He doesn't "reload" the same specs because he is always wanting to find something better. He loves load development which takes way more time then just reloading.
@@txpredatorhunting I've heard lots of good things about the CVA. In KY to hunt coyotes at night with a rifle you have to use a breech loading single shot rifle. Not near as fun as y'all have it down in Texas.
Typical Hornady bullshitting consumers with the velocity they claim. They said 3300 f/ps from a 18” barrel your test didn’t produce anything close to that. My 18” proof carbon barrel and 58 grain Vmax chronographs 3410 f/ps it’s laser flat and sounds like firecracker goin off when it hits a coyote.
@@Pew_pewchronicles 6 arc was correct, naturally you’d assume same would apply to 22 arc , but that remains to be seen by myself. Still needs more testing. Based on factory ammo I’d treat it like 6 arc with tuning and gas system lengths etc. That said , generally most these manufacturers will publish velocity data based on 24” barrels. Some times 26” on big boys. That’s why we try to post our data with multiple barrel lengths. Seems more honest to me. Even though there’s so many variables to consider from there barrel fixtures to your rifle its hard to even worry about factory velocities. The real question is , do they only produce those 24” numbers to make it look as good as possible or is that some outdated standard based on barrel lengths they get for barrel fixtures.
Why don’t you measure group sizes the proper way? Center to center. MOA. It translates to further distances. Outside to outside is ridiculous. Do it the correct way. You will decide to one day eventually anyway so why not now. Then we don’t have to sit and listen every time you talk about groups how you measure outside to outside blah blah blah. Then we will all feel good instead of feeling like yeah idk about this wade guy with some of the things he says makes me question everything he says
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Just finishing out 3 builds, all AR-15 platform, all 22 arc, all Proof barrels. One in 22”, one in 18” and one 16”. Your video here gives me high hopes of how good they’ll be!
Keep us posted . Always like to hear others experiences.
Finally got to test my 18” carbon barrel yesterday. Running suppressed with a digital night vision optic I got a 1.15” 5 shot group on shots 6-10 on the barrel. Annnnd it’s my first time target shooting in over 10 years (long story)
Killin it! Ran across your videos and I’m addicted
At least when they are not talking Taylor Swift...
I had terrible ejector marks on my 6ARC cases with a Faxon BCG that I initially ran. There was actually brass build up around the ejector hole after a couple rounds, probably raised about .005"-.008". I changed to the bolt provided by Shilen with the rifle barrel and I had no issues with ejector damage. I had Faxon replace the bolt and it had the same ejector damage. The only difference I found between the Faxon and Shilen bolts was the size of the ejector hole. The Shilen bolt had .001" clearance between the ejector and the ejector hole and the Faxon bolt had .005' clearance.
Interesting, and good data point.
I know this is an older comment but my plan was to go with faxon for 6 arc build. I’ve been seeing a lot of good comments on sixfiveoutfitters for BCG and barrels. Haven’t seen any of the same issues you’re having with this company so far
BCG go JP and get enhanced bolt
Gotta get my piston system in for my 22 arc. Last piece of the puzzle but it’s been setting for damn near a year
Thanks for putting all this together for us
Thanks for watching.
That’s very interesting on your findings between loads. I built a 22arc San tan receivers 18” prof carbon and lantac bcg. 62s and 75s are golden. Yielding sub moa around 3/4 I measure like you. Now the 88s open up to almost 1.5” moa. I’m about 400 rounds into it. Possibly bad batch ( which I’ve never gotten) from hornady. Vltor a5 system on the back end.
Interesting
U running adjustable gas black?
@@luisc240 no I sure don’t same as my 6mm arc. With my flow through suppressor I still get an under gassed ejection. So an adjustable wouldn’t do me much good.
Proof research also has great customer service.
I made it to the end.... your final thoughts on the matter is a deciding factor for me, maybe for many, I own a 6mmARC, as interesting it is, for what I do (target to 500) is more than enough. As fun as it is to shoot a variety of calibers, 6mmARC and 223 is as far as I'll take it. Thanks for well produced content. Good day.
I love my Valkyrie too and even won a few PRs matches with it but the lapua brass alone makes the 22 arc more desirable to me.
DANG yall are futuristic with these ARC cartrages , 6.5 creedmoor coming out soon by me
gun stores are heavy on tactical! 2 dusty 308 bolt actions in corner . NO shooting bags, didn't even know what there for! super deprived in NW INDIANA
@@BOOMHOUR1there’s places like that everywhere. Great discussion topic for a future podcast.
How do you like the eld-vts? Also since youve done the video have you started loading for them? Curious if you saw some pressure signs early, or at all because of the headspace issue
For a dedicated coyote bolt gun, 22 arc or 22 creed? I shoot suppressed and reload
Both would be legit , but the 22 creed will outperform with shorter barrel life . Which is obvious. So I’d say, if you want a longer range capable bolt gun go 22 creed . If your average shot is say 300 and in the 22 arc will be great . 300 and put the 22 creed .
22 creed is faster and flatter.
You just have to burn a lot more powder and replace barrels a lot sooner.
More powder means a bigger muzzle blast your can is trying to catch. It won’t be as quiet and will likely foul up your can faster.
Wade, it would be nice if hornady made lighter grain vt bullets, but they won't bc then they would fit in "legacy" cartridges. Is the 62 too long to load in .223 or 22-250? Will the 80 load in .243? Is that correct? I dont load so idk for sure..
I haven’t taken a look at 250 yet, so unsure on that one. 223 if you make some for bolt guns it may work. Past that not so much.
Unsure on 243 .
I know why they chose what they did for modern cartridges and chamber specs etc. But, there’s nothing stopping them from going lighter even if it’s for the newer cartridge designs. But, it’s always easy to say stuff from the sidelines. I’m sure they had good reason for the ones they chose.
@@txpredatorhunting yeah obviously they want ALL the bc they can, but a stretched 65 grain vt 6arc would be a wild one like ya said!
Should do the 22-250 in an AR platform vs the arc. That way you can shit on the AR10 at the same time for all the people that said the 22arc doesn't matter because there is 22-250 AR's. Always gets me how many people think there isn't any difference between AR15/10
Now that would be fuckin awesome.
Would also be interested in listening to what they would say . Would love them to review a specialized dynamics 22-250 vs a 22 ARC AR build . Love that the SD rifle is a 7# AR-10 rifle ..
23:26 to actually hear the findings
Hornady brass is notorious for having soft brass and will show ejector swipes on just about everything in gas guns.
what was the velocity difference between the 16" and 22" barrels?
Been out of the game awhile but got a Lahar 30L out of jail and the 22 arc has got me all horned up. How is primer pocket life??
22 arc brass will more than likely be held up just like 6 arc. Military complex has to be testing this like crazy. 77lrx, Berger’s offerings, Hornady 88/90, nosier, sierra(who they are fond of) 90/95 grainer. Endless options to achieve what the 100+ range does out of 6arc
HOWA mini action, with a 20" barrel, KRG bravo chassis, ELD-VT. That would be interesting
Totally agree, just wish Howa would get it together on there magazine availability as well as after market support with chassis for the Howa mini action
Unfortunately KRG doesn’t inlet for the mini action
Even better, Ruger American Gen 2. With magpul stock!
Wish they did @@landenrobbins9936
Center to center is the logical way to measure a group, you’re trying to calculate the angle of dispersion in MOA
Very nicely done. Keep your podcast going.
Appreciate it.
Id love to see you do what you do with the Wilson 300 hammer. (Full opinion and break down of it)
I too am a Proof Research barrel fan boy. One 16" chambered 223 with 1-7" twist full stainless heavy profile. This barrel shoots soo good I put a spare Tangent Theta on it just to see how good. I trued the upper and use Trigger Tech diamond at 1 lb 9 oz. With 73 grn eldm it will do right at .5 moa 10 shot groups.
I really wish Hornady would load the 80 grain ELDX for this cartridge for hunting deer, pigs, etc.
Im curious about bolt life on those and look forward to hearing how they hold up.
So far everything is doing well. Which is why we are working on the device to see failure points.
I’d love to see a short/light little 6mm Creed bolt action folder but…not holding my breath 😂
My 6 MAX ARC is goin 9000fps with 230grn lead copper micro film tip bullets and it feeds on 22 ARC’s for extra BC.
Mega max!
wade how do you think it would perform from like a 14.5 with say a 53 grain vmax for 200 and in run an gun coyoteing ?
Think that’ll be money myslef , I will certainly own one soon as I can .
When you do the 22/250 do a fast twist with a slow twist 22/250
Why? And define fast twist?
With the new factory 6mm arc ammo white box I’m getting flat primers! Idk what hornady is doing, used to not be like that!
What temps did you last get and shoot said ammo as compared to now? And have you cleaned your rifle lately?
No saying something hasn’t changed, but curious.
I see Huxwork supressors on all the ARs. Are they worth it? Are they cleaner than “normal” supressors?
He did a short video on the hux flow cans.
Yes , now testing cat Noah and like it as well.
Modern flow through cans are the way for semi autos.
@@aaronquickle4575 I think they are. Less blow back on the back side. So less carbon coming back to bcg.
I love my 22 arc shoots great!!
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I almost bought a bolt gun in 22arc really not sure yet !! Thanks for the info!
Would sure like to hear about the bolt actions.
Can you do a budget build with a ballistic advantage fluted barrel and show us how it groups ELD-VT?
Lots of us can use a 22 ARC or a 6 ARC but few of us can drop $1000 on a damn proof barrel. And most of those who can don’t want to.
Sure other people on UA-cam have ARC builds but we can’t trust them to really show us what a gun/barrel can do
Yes we can!
@@BAYRAKTAR_MANI feel that seems like everyone else just shills these days. And I’d love to see a BA .22 arc
@kaianuanu I just got a stainless proof barrel for 570. But if you're looking for a good 6 or 22 arc barrel for a reasonable price satern liberty barrels are pretty good. I was having an issue with my arc brass and Steve satern personally called me and gave me a great lesson on the arc and ar15 reloading.
Wouldn’t let me reply to your comment, the rifle is clean. the parameters are pretty close to the same as the last time I shot factory ammo just different lot numbers. I hand load and have never pierced or flattened a primer until the other day..makes me a little nervous tbh. I wouldn’t think the seating depth would change that much from lot to lot maybe touching the lands 🤷♂️causing a pressure spike. idk imma have to do more investigating when I get back in town.
Keep us posted .
The ARC platform is best for semiautomatic rifles AR’s. I truly don’t see why getting a Bolt Action on 22 ARC, when there is a 22 Creedmoor that outperforms in all stats in Bolt Action.
Any kills with the 62 eldvt. Curious on performance
Yes in the 22 creed , love it . Haven’t gotten the 22 arc out yet though. Other things take precedence over factory ammo in the testing priorities. But, soon .
Thoughts on deer/antelope hunting with 22ARC?
Assuming you’ll be picking up a Geissele in 22 arc when they are released? I know they are testing them now.
If they do, I will.
As usual. Great commentary
Loving my 16"
Heeeeeelll yea. Bout to start piercing primers! Lol
Do you have any plans on having Geoff nemnich back on the podcast or possibly some hunting vids with him?
He has open invite, haven’t heard from him in a hot minute.
Anyone else see comments with replies and click on them? And don’t see the reply? Sucks when someone has a good question or interesting idea.
Yes and it drives me nuts lol
It’s dumb, you have to cycle between top and newest comments to get them, then there’s comments we don’t even see.
Yep same here
It’s possibly bot replies or trolls after deleting. It’s not just here that it’s happening
Yep
Keep on keeping on
Silly question but why is 22 arc more expensive than 6 arc?
6 arc been out for 5 years vs 22 arc just a year
Great podcast!
Hornady blk 75g shoots like crap on my proof 20” barrel
I think the 80 Grain ELDVT is too heavy for the arc an varmints... if they had a 60gr for the 6arc that would be 🔥
Then you need a .22 ARC. In my bolt gun I use A2200 with a 58 vmax for 3550 and 65 vmax with n133 in gas gun
Yea, I think they just did that out of ease potentially. And of course that’s just speculation. I’d be down for a high bc 60-65 gr pill for the arc.
Outside to outside IMO is true
Where is the book you promised us on 22 Creed?!?
What brass catcher u like????
Outside to outside is stupid because it actually gives a group spread to aone shot, but I'm not angry, lol
enjoy your shows
Thanks for watching!
Giddy up. Keep up with the cool shit
Where are all these 22 arc range videos you’re promising here?
Let’s F****** Goooo!
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Have you heard of Shaw Barrels?
Yep, may even have one or two. I can’t recall.
They were pretty great decade or so ago. But now they're a respectable mid tier barrel. I would put them in them next to BA, Wilson Combat and faxon
Inside to outside and you don't have to do any math. 😉
Have you compared this to Proof's 223 Wyld barrels? I just picked up a Ruger from PSA with an 18" Carbon Proof for $1100. I should have worn a mask.
I’ve never owned or shot off of a magpul bipod but they suck.
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Try duct taping two of them together and using it but make sure to be near the equator for best results. Density altitude is key.
Meanwhile everyone is subtracting the bullet diameter from your groups
First minute in comment… what does hitting the bell icon do for you? Wade talk “I’ll preface this with” lol, all it does for me is guarantee that I will have your channel deleted from my watch list! Ever since I quit hitting it bell icon I haven’t lost any of my subscribed channels… Also wade talk “just sayin”😂
Interesting, I’m gonna have to check that out.
From what I can tell, 22 ARC isn’t THAT much faster than full power 5.56. Not enough to justify dealing with a wildcat.
Muzzle velocity isnt everything...compare Sierra match king 77gr 5.56 ballistic coefficient to say 80gr 22 ARC...0.372 vs 0.485
14:44 “stopped reloading because I just don’t care anymore”
What a terrible approach. Spending that much on a proof carbon barrel only to use mediocre ammo is crazy. Reloading is how you get consistent groups and really get the performance out of something like the 6ARC. The amount you are leaving on the table is something you will only know with experience. This is the last time I watch your content and the last comment I will make. Reloading is key to long range anything.
😂 😂😂
Do you know the difference in handloaded ammo with fresh brass and reloads? Just curious.
I think he enjoys reloading, just in a different sense. He doesn't "reload" the same specs because he is always wanting to find something better. He loves load development which takes way more time then just reloading.
I want to know what Wade's favorite single shot rifle are.
Have only ever had cva in the single shot flavor. They’ve all shot well.
@@txpredatorhunting I've heard lots of good things about the CVA. In KY to hunt coyotes at night with a rifle you have to use a breech loading single shot rifle. Not near as fun as y'all have it down in Texas.
@@kbowen2251 strange rule .
@@kbowen2251naw. I use my ar15s at night. Don't have to use a single shot..lol
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Typical Hornady bullshitting consumers with the velocity they claim. They said 3300 f/ps from a 18” barrel your test didn’t produce anything close to that. My 18” proof carbon barrel and 58 grain Vmax chronographs 3410 f/ps it’s laser flat and sounds like firecracker goin off when it hits a coyote.
Hornady website says 3300 from a 24” barrel on the 62’s.
@@txpredatorhunting I heard the podcast they said the arc family of cartridges was developed around 18” barrels
@@Pew_pewchronicles 6 arc was correct, naturally you’d assume same would apply to 22 arc , but that remains to be seen by myself. Still needs more testing. Based on factory ammo I’d treat it like 6 arc with tuning and gas system lengths etc.
That said , generally most these manufacturers will publish velocity data based on 24” barrels. Some times 26” on big boys. That’s why we try to post our data with multiple barrel lengths. Seems more honest to me. Even though there’s so many variables to consider from there barrel fixtures to your rifle its hard to even worry about factory velocities.
The real question is , do they only produce those 24” numbers to make it look as good as possible or is that some outdated standard based on barrel lengths they get for barrel fixtures.
The.22 ARC gas gun is rated with a 24”, the 6 ARC is 18”
@@Patrick-xd8jv what a joke would you run a 24 inch AR 15?
I know its not the same but 22 creed is more interesting. Ones gas, ones bolt i know
Big difference, and we’ve covered the 22 creed a fair amount. And I’m big fan of it.
I was subscribed, some how it went away ? Funny how this happens to gun channels
Probably singing with Taylor Swift somewhere, lol
For the algorithm!
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No need to drag it out so long man, 23 minutes to get to the first bit of velocity data is way too long.
Following
Fitz has got hella PTO 😮
lol, podcast was never his full time job. Nor is it mine .
U stir the pot close to MR Ron s
I wouldn’t go that far . I report the facts as I see them through actual data .
For the algorithm
Much appreciated!
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Hi nc
Push comment.
Why don’t you measure group sizes the proper way? Center to center. MOA. It translates to further distances. Outside to outside is ridiculous. Do it the correct way. You will decide to one day eventually anyway so why not now. Then we don’t have to sit and listen every time you talk about groups how you measure outside to outside blah blah blah. Then we will all feel good instead of feeling like yeah idk about this wade guy with some of the things he says makes me question everything he says
😂 A good group is a good group. It’s irrelevant how you measure it to me.
Just subtract .223 of his reported group size.
UA-cam is a P.I.T.A, I have been Un-Subed 4 damn times! Screw them though, I will keep subscribing if i have to do it every day.
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