The "Issue" With Sony Colors & How To Fix
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Proof that all modern cameras can give you whatever colors you want. It's up to us to know what we want, that is the issue for most people. We can't leave it up to these cameras to tell us what colors we want. We are the artist, the camera is just our paint brush, and the editor is the paint.
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0:00 Explaining the Proof
1:04 Intro
1:50 Solution 1: White Balance
2:14 The Issue with WB
2:40 The Best EASY Free Solution
3:21 Photo Example 2
4:30 Photo Example 3
5:45 My Film Curves
6:30 MY NEW FILM CURVES
7:39 Wrap Up - Фільми й анімація
hands down the best and most straight forward approach i've seen about this topic. thank you!
was thinking the exact same while watching this, thanks so much cam!
found this crazy to watch because your model is from my hometown which does not sound that crazy at first but when considering that I am from a little town in Germany on the other side of the world I find it quite remarkable how small the world really is
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right-click on the 3 dots in capture one for "Base Characteristics" and you can set to "Use default for X camera". That way every time you bring in the A7R5 files, it will know to use the Canon R5 colors if that's your thing. Also don't be afraid to try other cameras, film curves (portrait, neutral...), etc. Its not hard to make your photos look like everyone else's, but you'll get better clients if you develop your own unique look. A good starting point may be to create a profile for your camera and sensor using a Calibrite ColorChecker Digital SG and the X-rite software so you have an accurate and neutral starting point and then style from there.
Agreed. I was suppose to show that but forgot haha. Was just winging it as usuql
This is amazing. Thank you for articulating this - best 8 minutes of learning I've had in a while.
Finally someone who addressed this issue with a7rv objectively. I did the upgrade recently from a a7rIII, and had been struggling with skin tones. This video helped me a lot!! Thank you very much.
Thank you Cam for all your stuff, it's really fun and informative to learn from you!
Cammackey you figured out what no one was able to do, so rad
Thanks for the video. I like your views and knowledge. I purchased the Cobalt color profile for my Sony stills shooting which removed the Sony bronze/yellow skin tones and overall just made all of the colors more accurate and pleasing. Might be worth a look for those of us who really care about these details.
great explanation!!!
Wowsers trousers. Great work sir.
Man, as always, your images are f***ing awesome.
I'm sometimes use the Fujifilm x-t2 profiles on my Sony A7II raw files and It works great, I'm gonna try out Canon and see how It works on my old A7II files If it will do me some good or not 😊 great video, and I love the Sony presets I bought
This is epic...great stuff
I’ve been trying forever to get the reds from my Canon to match the Reds from my Leica, this is a timely video
Holy Shit. It's Working 🤯 Thank You Mackey❤
Nice insight. I typically have the reverse problem with Fujifilm. It's always too magenta in the skin. I have to use Astia, Velvia, or Pro Neg H to avoid it in camera, but then all the other colours are skewed a bit. Typically I cool the white balance down a bit say 4800k for daylight to get blue skies with no teal, but man does it give people shrimpy skin. I wish every brand had a Tone slider like Canon and Ricoh. 🙏
I have never experienced that with Fuji, usually the skin tones are perfect for me. Canon and Sony skin tones will fall out of whack quickly when editing, but never had that problem with Sony. Have you checked to see if your monitor is calibrated?
@@cammackey I did find the Fuji to add sometimes a bit more magenta to the skin. its easier to fix compared to that greenish tint from skin tone in sony raw files(especially when shooting aroung greenery(grass, trees, etc)
love it. but how do i change base characteristiscs to canon in lightroom?
The goat.
Have You tried calibrated colour profiles from "Cobalt Image"? I heard that they fix all cameras colours, to match them being super accurate and unified ;)
Thank you for this video. I'm sick and tired of telling the Canon fan boys that it's a very easy fix in post if you don't like the colors.. lol
it's a very easy fix if you use Canon colours lol, Canon wins again
@ryan6465 Too bad you can't fix Canon's dynamic range.. oh wait.. just use a Sony!.. Sony wins again lol 😆
Is there any way to do this within LR?
Tried finding a way to get a better sony profile in lightroom because of the new Ai features, but you made it even harder to switch from Capture One lol :(
Great video. Tested on 20 pics and prefer the Canon profile on blind tests
I use a Sony A7iii and I shoot weddings with two other Canon shooters. We have a preset we use for our photos and it always makes my Sony colors look a little wonky even after extensive fixing with HSL sliders, WB and Color Calibration sliders. The idea of meddling with a single file while batch processing through tons of files of weddings was never an issue on my old Canon 6D. I love the Sony but I disagree about colors not being an issue with it.
You can’t use one preset for all sorts of different cameras. If you bought the preset, they lied to you.. as usual. If you guys made them, you need to make sure to calibrated for each camera. That is why I release presets by camera brand (unless they’re curves)
Im on the same boat as you. what’s interesting is that my team members with sony a73 and a74 and then my two r5 members… skin tones n preset works just fine but im having the worst trouble w the sony a7r4 and skin tones.
Sorry I coud not hear it at the end: how do you scan your colour filims? Thanks!
Cool
Is there a reason why you prefer the generic version over the pro standard?
Can't believe I've never simply tried this! I can now make my 5 year old RX100vi look like an R5 or whatever!
bought sony one yesterday, had know would have directly bought these hahaha
Love it, I personally don't mind the Sony colors (I mostly do video). What sort of workflow would you recommend video wise? Best way I can think of is using the transform feature in Davinci, but I'm in Premiere so not sure how that'd work. Might wanna invest into a plugin like Cinematch to be able to do the same thing in Premiere.
Either way, thanks for the tip!!
Video is even easier because we have standardized methods like CST in davinci. CineMatch is good but it’s not super accurate. I suggest everyone just switch over to davinci haha
@cammackey I can't disagree, Premiere pro is insufferable when it comes to color 🙄
There is zero color issue as long as you use a color chart. You can even get the exact same looks from several cameras from multiple brands as long as you get a shot of a color chart with each during the same shoot.
Hey there, are you able to explain this with shooting video as well? Do some songs have a better starting off point than others? I’m a total believer in what you’re saying about all cameras. But is there something I can do with my Sony during production to make sure I’m getting the best skin tones possible / accurate colors. White balance and zebras is the only thing I think I know about right now, let me know if there are any other tutorials you’ve done before for this. Thanks mate
For video.. just shoot in log. You can convert log to look like any camera.
Wait to you get to Nikon colors, Best true to life colors on the business
Wait.. so I can use whatever camera and change the look as if I was using another camera, just like that? Or maybe this trick works only for Sony, cuz their sensors capture colors most accurately?
Why did you change the colors to Canon instead of to Fuji? Maybe that’s a dumb question. I love using fujis baseline, but does canon baseline work better with your preset packs?
I like canon more. Fuji is good for personal work, but canons color separation helps me get a commercial yet filmic look the easiest. I could do it with Sonys too but takes a couple more steps as I showed
Have you got an ICC you prefer for Fuji in C1? I use the film standard most of the time and now I'm curious what you like!
When I shoot Fuji.. it depends. If it’s like just a fun personal image.. I jsut use Classic Neg. But for everything else I use the film standard
@@cammackey I just experimented with the Canon ICC on top of a Fuji XT5 raw, it looks mostly more saturated? But also I can see a little bit more shifting in the yellows... I think
I don't really understand why there is so much debate about minute differences in the colors of different cameras that capture RAW with billions of colors. It's like people WANT to feel like they're shooting on different film stocks, or like they want to feel that the camera bakes a certain amount of artistic identity into their footage. That's just not the reality of the digital age... not if you know how to harness the power of the tools. I shoot on the RED Komodo because I like the form factor and features, and then I convert the colors to match the Alexa Mini because I like the look. Awesome, cool... time to worry about the actual quality of what you're shooting...
This is about photography…. It’s a different beast. With video we have at standardized pipelines.. photography side of things doesn’t have that. So it’s a different discussion.
@@cammackey Aight, never mind, then
shoot sony and use canon profiles! :) I have r5c and gets noisy at high iso - colors are nice.
a7r5 time ??? hmmm. I had a74 but EVF and LCD were too low res for me.
@cammackey Love your videos! I'm a big fan!
Thanks! Does the Canon profile trick also work the same in CameraRaw (Lightroom/Photoshop), or is this a CaptureOne only trick?
Zero clue. LR is garbage so I dont use it. Capture One is crazy powerful and the colors overall are better. I am jealous that LR is getting more AI features and editing tools. But overall C1 has better "color science" and their tethering cant be beat rn
@@cammackey Okido, thanks for taking the time to answer!
@@cammackey "LR is Garbage" it may be a little too much.
@@cammackey I found out that also the free Capture One Express version for Sony has this feature. So we LR users can develop the RAWs in that software when we feel a need for Capture One colors and this trick.
Honestly, going with Canon spared me having to learn how to color grade properly. Ease of use is a major plus when you aren't quite a pro yet, maybe that's the only thing Canon has over Sony, besides ergonomics.
If you don’t plan on ever making money, that’s fine. But if you ever plan on making money off photography.. it’s your job to learn how to grade. Personally, even before I was making a living off working in this field.. I still wanted to maximize my ability to create my own look. I don’t think most people even know what good skin tones are unless you study it and shoot film
@@cammackey you can definitely make money as a photographer while learning your craft, you won't book any high end clients but most people have to start somewhere until they figure out how to make their work unique and recognizable. having decent skin tones straight out of camera is a perfectly valid reason to prefer canon as a beginner imo.
Is being spared from learning how to color grade properly supposed to be a good thing? 😅
YOO this video is FIRE. you basically just told everyone that said "Canon color is better" to fuck off. Honestly with color grading even in lightroom/photoshop its all the same shit. and once people build "looks" before looks became common terminology, people couldn't even tell the difference between the systems. And once you switch over the video systems and begin building looks it doesn't even matter
Could you explain to me the reason you prefer the generic versions over the pro standard versions?
I just do honestly haha. I think Capture One Pro Standrad was made to camera match better and for more color accuracy. I’ve never been one to really care about color accuracy though. I like to pursue what looks good to me, not to the nerds haha. To each their own tho. But yes, the generic profiles tend to have punchy skin tones!!
This May sounds like a dumb question. I film with an R5C. Are the colors also this different relating to video (S-Cinetone vs Canon709) for example. Or is this photography specific
709, colors will be very different. But in log.. you can make them look however you want if you learn how to color grade
@@cammackey appreciated man. I’ve basically been doing weddings using that Canon 709 on the r5c which helps with the turn around. I used to shoot primarily with two FX3’s. I like the r5c but the autofocus performance has hit me a few times whereas the FX3 almost never missed. Thanks for the follow up 👍
Do you have a suggestion on how to do this in Lightroom? I'm sure the answer is just to use Capture One, but my workflow is set in Lightroom.
You said it haha. LR color engine sadly just isn’t as powerful
Figures haha. I've grown to enjoy these masking tools in Lightroom. Guess I gotta choose. Thanks @@cammackey
what about for video work though?
Log formats have been standardized, so we can make it look however we want with color space transformers and LUTs
I see what you mean and I see that it’s working. I Just don’t get WHY this is working this way. I was under the impression that Capture One creates profiles for each camera model to manipulate the files from each of those camera in a way that they look the same. So basically if you shoot the same thing with a Sony vs. a Canon and load the RAW files in C1 they should look identical - they shouldn’t have a Sony or Canon look, but a Capture One look. And if I take this as my base assumption changing the profile of the Sony file to that of a Canon camera the corrections should be „wrong“ for the Sony file and bring it further away from the C1 look.
Where am I going wrong here?
I agree, I thought that was what C1 was doing as well. But I think that’s why they introduced the pro standard profiles. Those are truly neutral profiles. I personally don’t like it tho cause it shifts the skin tones even more towards yellow and they leave it up to you to edit. I rather just use the canon profile so I get the color separation off the bat
@@cammackey My experience with the Pro Standard profiles is quite the opposite. I find that they reduce the yellows especially in the brighter parts of the skin. I don’t have different cameras to compare though, only my R5.
Can this be done in Lightroom or just capture one?
Lightroom is outdated in a lot of ways, but they also have newer features at the same time. But yes only in C1
@@cammackey downloaded C1 after watching this the other day. It’s been awesome 👍
HSL seems to be the best solution.
The easiest solution for sure. With changing the color profile tho, your WB adjustments will be more natural for the skin tones. Again the main thing with the Sony profiles is it blends the yellow and red channels too much. Looks more natural.. but can make extra steps when editing
@@cammackey What would I want to do with this in LR? I switched from EOS R to A7IV and I see the color difference and I don't really know what to do with it.
Is this Lightroom?
Hi Why are you using generic profile instead of pro standard I didn't find this in your videos.
I don’t like the pro standard, I find it shifts the skin tones too much and gives it too much of a flat look
RAW stills are one thing but 10 bit video is another story imo
Who wants Canon colors when Cameron colors are available 🤙
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I’m guessing without watching magenta needs to go up a little.
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I like Sony after canon..Nikon seems flat
There is a simpler way - buy a Hasselblad - its what I did
Pass
I hear Phocus is a nightmare to learn
@@robmcd Phocus is as you say a nightmare - I use an iPad and LRC on Mac and its better than all of my previous camera user interfaces - Fuji being the worst - only Leica is as good - Pro here 35yrs in the game
I have no issues, Wouldn't change my Sony for anything. Shoot raw with what ever camera you are using and be done with it. The people arguing which is better are Bozos and obviously not professional photographers but professional fan boys trolls.
@@nelsonclub7722 my eyes went like that fella on mr deeds reading that. Thanks for confirming I’m not crazy.
@@nelsonclub7722 Stop listening to "Sensible" Arguments and go shoot. You are one of those I was referring to. Use what ever camera you have. I have had just about every camera there is out there and could shoot with any of them.
@@robmcd No, you are probably crazy because I think any camera these days is just as good as the other. I had Canon and now have Sony but would and could shoot with any camera brand.
@@ekphotography so which is it; you’ll shoot with any camera brand or you wouldn’t change your Sony for anything?
@@nelsonclub7722 Nah, you read into wrong, I just said I am personally happy with Sony, Not that it is the best by any means. But I see a couple of people , who probably have Canon and since I mentioned I am currently using Sony, they were assuming I was saying Sony is the best, which I did not..
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