The Differences Between Honda's 1970 to 1974 Balloon Tire US90's

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  • @thevoxofreason8468
    @thevoxofreason8468 2 роки тому +2

    A "US 90" was the second motorized vehicle of any type that I operated. The first was an '85 TRX200. The 200 was maybe a year old. The 90 was already an old 'gal by the time I had my chance with her, but it was a blast. I continued to ride and eventually went to two wheels exclusively. However, I've loved these little machines ever since.

  • @gregorywood5445
    @gregorywood5445 3 роки тому +6

    one interesting part of these machines is how they can be transported. the rear axle comes apart very easy and the handle bars can be moved. the whole machine was meant to be loaded in the trunk of a car.

  • @jasongiles1038
    @jasongiles1038 3 роки тому +3

    Building memories for sure my brother!!!
    A huge thank you for the educational history on the 70’s trikes and your dad’s beauty.
    Keep up the amazing videos!
    We’ll be seeing you Trike Fest 2022!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you sir!! My pleasure. I'll be looking forward to seeing you there!

  • @hank1556
    @hank1556 Рік тому +2

    I can't take my TriZ or 250R ANYWHERE without people walking up and talking about them or trying to buy it. Just part of it! I love it most of the time

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  Рік тому

      Absolutely. They're definitely a part of pop culture and definite conversation pieces!

  • @oldcroneysgarage9739
    @oldcroneysgarage9739 3 роки тому +3

    I pulled a motor out of a 99 dodge pickup to put in my personal truck. It had those same exact type metal tags on the radiator support. My personal truck is the same exact year but built in the u.s, and the truck I pulled the motor out of was a Mexico built truck. Good video as usual

  • @yagersgarage8170
    @yagersgarage8170 3 роки тому +2

    Great video, and a fantastic collection ! Thanks for the information and history of these awesome machines.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      Thank you very, very much!! Just out there having some fun!

  • @botabs.8247
    @botabs.8247 3 роки тому +1

    Wow what an appreciation you have for these machines. All I can do is think 8the machines I had growing up as a kid and would love to start pursuing them and bring some back to life.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you very much!!! It's fun chasing them down!

  • @andrewwoodward6560
    @andrewwoodward6560 3 роки тому +1

    Love seeing see your great examples of these really cool trikes, just as they are ! Thanks for the story on the hot rod as well !

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      Thank you sir! Very thankful to be able to do it. Thank you so much for watching!

  • @hookybit
    @hookybit 3 роки тому +1

    amazing video as always Preston , thanks for the walk around of the challenger ! fab colour !!

  • @deucerider430
    @deucerider430 3 роки тому +1

    Great video, as usual! And I’m especially partial to the last ten minutes! 😎 Thank you!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      Thank you sir!!! You're partly responsible for me putting the last 10 minutes in there! Thank you for straightening me out on the Six Pack functionality. For anybody else reading this, I misspoke in the video when describing how the 6 pack setup works. That set up actually runs on the center 2 barrel full time until you hammer on it, at which time the front and rear 2 barrels open up, tripling the amount of fuel the engine is receiving. Needless to say, it really comes alive when you do that!

  • @jamiesawyer5102
    @jamiesawyer5102 9 місяців тому +1

    Great vid, i was wondering about the history of these funny wheeled three wheelers after watching you weld up the stands. Looking in your older vids i found this one. Thanks

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  9 місяців тому

      Well thank you for watching both videos!! Glad you were able to find all the info!

  • @jammils38
    @jammils38 3 роки тому +2

    You sir have an amazing collection of the greatest toys ever made. I love Honda 3 wheelers. I had a few an wish I had never sold them.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +2

      Thank you so much man! They're still out there for sale!! Don't give up!

  • @MAD450r2
    @MAD450r2 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for all your information. I had an orange 1972 as my first ever honda . had the 1972 as my first motorized with gears. had a 3.5hp minibike before that. Then I saved up to get a 1985 200x. rode it all summer and winter [did 2know better to change oil then]. I blew it up put rod through front of cases right behind front motor mount. I had local dealership rebuild it for 800$. wish was that cheap nowadays to rebuild and replace engine cases. in late 1990s I picked up a my second 200x also was 1985. I stupidly sold it when I started building up my 2001 400ex full elka suspension lonestar racing a-arms and axle. was +4 inches and wow did it handle like it was on rails. I then had hotcam old stage 2 cam installed with a ross 416 piston. soon as I completed that build. Honda announced the coming in 2004 trx 450r. I got the 3rd one from my dial first one that had hrc kit installed I had a sparks race pipe sitting at my house the day I picked up the r from dealer. I rode it once and tore it apart bought lonestar a-arms for it they wer +2w+1f. bought a geforce axle from rocky mountain atv had a few pieces powder coated. Unfortunately the R was stolen from my friends farm in his garage. the theives cut through his wall to get in then they disassembled the garage door to get all the atv's out. He had a few heavily built atv's in there.
    Our shitty police department gave me such a hard time reporting my machine stolen. I had to go to a different town's police department to get my serial number added to the stolen list. I really believe that our small town police were involved somehow since they wouldn't do they jobs to list all our stolen machines on the list.

  • @chrisreibold1634
    @chrisreibold1634 3 роки тому +1

    Great collection! Awesome challenger! I like how detailed and informative you are in your videos. Keep up the good work! I will have to rewatch the section when you were talking about tire preservation. I have some quad tires and tractor tires I want to keep around.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      Thank you so much man! Very much appreciated!!

  • @jaredgreen3034
    @jaredgreen3034 2 роки тому +2

    Best off road machine ever made period

  • @bryankerr69
    @bryankerr69 Рік тому

    Very cool machines. Been looking for a good one. One will pop up sooner or later.

  • @erikpaaske1069
    @erikpaaske1069 2 роки тому +2

    I have to point this out to you. Elcominos stopped production in 87 as well as three wheelers. Now imagine if you had a 1970 Elcomino you could put a us90 in the back!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      You'd definitely be the coolest kid at school if you did that! I may have to keep my eyes peeled for one!!

  • @patinabunker5340
    @patinabunker5340 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome video, I like it when you get into the weeds on these three wheelers. Love the dodge too!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Pat! It's not hard for me to find myself in the weeds... and then all of a sudden the video is 40 minutes long!

    • @patinabunker5340
      @patinabunker5340 3 роки тому

      @@ThisOldTrike I totally understand! I'm that way too.

  • @Nighthawk1966
    @Nighthawk1966 2 роки тому +1

    Love the challenger too, you got it going on buddy ! Great stuff !
    👍

  • @buddhistpriest1357
    @buddhistpriest1357 2 роки тому

    The memory of running over my foot and getting sucked under the tire and ran over by the yellow ATC90!
    And riding double on a chilly summer night by headlight, with the motor keeping you both warm.

  • @spekky9012
    @spekky9012 Рік тому +1

    Love to get one now. Bring back some fun memories.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  Рік тому +1

      Yes sir! You should!

    • @spekky9012
      @spekky9012 Рік тому +1

      @@ThisOldTrike been looking everywhere. Can't seem to find anything here in Ontario

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  Рік тому +1

      What year and/or color are you looking for??

    • @spekky9012
      @spekky9012 Рік тому

      @@ThisOldTrike of of the ATC90s from 70 - 74

  • @ryanoglesby1598
    @ryanoglesby1598 Рік тому

    Holy....crap. What a collection. So impressed

  • @randyscripter6205
    @randyscripter6205 2 роки тому +1

    Great video! Great information. Just thought you could have mentioned the quick release handlebar clamp and maybe even how the rear axle comes apart. Good stuff though! I've just discovered your channel and have only seen a few videos but loving what I'm seeing so far!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      My buddy wants me to do a video showing how to break one all down to put it in the trunk of our Challenger... we'll see!

    • @randyscripter6205
      @randyscripter6205 2 роки тому

      @@ThisOldTrike that would be sweet!

  • @tomfeyereisen6493
    @tomfeyereisen6493 3 роки тому +1

    My first 3 wheeler I owned was the 1970 red 90. I been looking for one for a while. Hard to find. My grandpa bought a 1973 orange 90 new, we still have it today

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      They are definitely getting harder and harder to find and the original balloon tires are like gold... That's awesome that you still have the 73! Super special three wheeler right there!

  • @doc_teamwaxoffroad
    @doc_teamwaxoffroad 3 роки тому +2

    As always... Interesting info.. 👍👍
    Sweet Challenger...
    #makeatcsgreatagain

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      Awesome! Thank you! Got a little long winded on this one but there was a lot to talk about!

  • @3DPeter
    @3DPeter 2 роки тому +2

    i did ride on one that belonged to someone i knew, and all i remember was that when you drove 30mph, the steering
    didn't do much anymore. These are no trikes but 3 skippy balls with an engine.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      lol, that's awesome... skippy balls with an engine is probably the best word combination ever used to describe them!

  • @banzayeurbanzayeur4432
    @banzayeurbanzayeur4432 2 роки тому +1

    Hi please on atc 70 from 1985 do you know if have a kick starter on right motor ? Or never?
    ( I have pics) many thanks frederic

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      No ATC 70 ever came with a kick starter. Only a pull start. Sounds like your motor has been swapped out.

  • @Spudderr
    @Spudderr 7 місяців тому +1

    How do the balloon tires handle compared to the conventional wheel/tire combo?

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  7 місяців тому

      They're weird... They want to roll side to side, or they give the sensation that they do. It's a weird feeling. They're definitely better to leave on snow machines and upgrade to modern style wheels/tires if it's something you're going to ride.

    • @Spudderr
      @Spudderr 7 місяців тому

      @@ThisOldTrike gotcha, 70s models have suddenly gained my attention, it’ll get rode a little bit so sounds like I need to opt for one with knobbies lol

  • @gordonrock3393
    @gordonrock3393 2 роки тому +1

    To get an appreciation for what the early 1972 ATC could do, search "Canol Trail ATC".

  • @eastenjacobson6904
    @eastenjacobson6904 Рік тому +1

    i have a 1974 atc 90 and i want to sell the ballon tyres and get more standard tyres for normal riding , thay dont have any dry rot and are in great condition, just wondering how much i could get for them and where should i look for new tyres?

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  Рік тому

      Hello sir! Based on you spelling tire with a y, tells me that you're in Europe? I'm sure your original tires would fetch quite a bit of money if there in that sort of condition... at least $1000 (USD) for the set based on your description. Get get tires that you can ride on, I would look at Mike Palmgren's set up. Check out his ebay offerings here - www.ebay.com/str/vintagemotorsportsrestorations

  • @BIGFOOTBIKESANDBREWS
    @BIGFOOTBIKESANDBREWS 2 роки тому

    Hey man, great information. I got a question on the footpegs on the 1970's. I am rebuilding a set and can't figure out what finish was on the pegs originally. The frame tubing is painted black on mine and most pics I see but my pegs are solid rust. I don't see any traces of paint or plating on them. Pictures I am looking at some are painted black, some look painted silver, some look like they might have been zinc or chrome plated. Mine look like they were just bare metal haha. Any thoughts on what is correct? Thanks again!

  • @DEDeyeDYCK
    @DEDeyeDYCK 9 місяців тому

    I just bought us90-101271 here in DE, it has the folding hoop pegs. Also, the axle only uses a spacer on the right side.

  • @truthseeker2587
    @truthseeker2587 2 роки тому +1

    My child hood dream all right there.

  • @codyjarvis3426
    @codyjarvis3426 2 роки тому

    Man I was just laying here thinking of when I was about 6 years old we lived on a ranch in Henrietta TX . My dad would pay my 2 brothers and I to go out on that 70s model 3wheeler called BIG RED ! it had big balloon Tires on it . And that bar on the back was nothing more than a handle to hold on to to keep from falling off the back when 2 was riding on it . LOL Find and run over armadillos. Cut a year off and bring them to him and we would get a couple dollars an ear . The reason behind that was they dig holes and our horses and cattle would break ankles running and steppin into an armadillo hole . But I was thinkin back on the fun I had on it . The ponds would ice over an we would hit it goin full blast end up doin circles . Summer same. We would try to go fast enuff to float across the pond , see who would make it farthest . That old Honda it would always start back up . I do know how. To me the tires on ours seemed so much bigger and fatter then what I'm seeing here . It must be because I was a little kid...man very nice collection .

  • @rane123
    @rane123 2 роки тому +1

    When I was 8 I got a 1985 ATC Honda 125m brand new,it was a Christmas gift from Santa 🎅 I already had a 1981 atc Honda 110cc..A year later my dad found a guy wanting to sell his 1985 Honda 250es Big Red..Absolute mint condition..The owner stated that there were no more than 10 miles on it..He sold it to my dad for $1250.00 in 1987..Being 10-11years old I was the happiest kid in the world😁 I mean damn this 250es is gonna make it easier and possible for me to build better forts and tree houses even farther back in the woods than usual..My or our Objective was to secure a vast amount of (land) or space for myself and my deputy juvenile delinquents from our Evil(would do anything in the world for us)parents...😎
    Kids 11-14 need a place to go smoke their cigarettes without inhaling and look at their nudey magazines😎😎😎
    I had a blast being a kid throughout the 1980s!!! I was born in 1977...

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому +1

      I feel like I was right there with ya man!

  • @2mini50s
    @2mini50s 2 роки тому

    Did Honda make a front basket for these? Mine has one and wondering if it was Hondaline?

  • @kollinspencer847
    @kollinspencer847 Рік тому

    so do these tires float better than the stock ones on all other models?

  • @2acres933
    @2acres933 3 роки тому +2

    Hey if you don’t mind me asking what do you do for work? Seems like you have acquired a massive collection of primo machines!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      I like to tell people I breed salamanders and sell them... but in reality I'm manage the quality and regulatory department at a medical device manufacturer.

  • @jamesonnadgwick7775
    @jamesonnadgwick7775 2 роки тому

    I got the frame and fenders and an engine for the 74 daytona orange 90. Are they really rare/expensive?

  • @gregorywood5445
    @gregorywood5445 3 роки тому +1

    mention the tool kit and where it is stored.

  • @3wheelerguy
    @3wheelerguy 3 роки тому +1

    Sheeesh! That was a long video but i enjoyed it. Nice to see sunny and Bobo, sad about the front tire. that stinks!!

  • @mscdorman
    @mscdorman 11 місяців тому +1

    The first minute of this video had me scrambling for the Sub Button! OMG this collection! Going to find the ATC collection video!

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  11 місяців тому

      Thanks brother! Glad you found me!

  • @raymondray735
    @raymondray735 3 роки тому +1

    Hey guys where would be a good place to get a rear break drum for an 85 250es

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      I'd check out ebay or some Big Red targeted facebook groups.

    • @raymondray735
      @raymondray735 3 роки тому +1

      @@ThisOldTrike thanks man parts are hard to fine

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      I may have one actually... Shoot me a message on facebook (Preston Frasier) or instagram (@this_old_trike).

  • @backachershomestead
    @backachershomestead День тому

    We would patch thotires on the outside. It would work for a while. After running out of usable tires we made an adapter to put rimmed atc tires on ours. Now you can buy the replacement tires. Sorry I cannot remember who sells them anymore.

  • @mattpeck3596
    @mattpeck3596 2 роки тому

    Great video awesome collection are some of the US90s runners?

  • @RBFR01
    @RBFR01 Рік тому

    Weird story I cant confirm if true- My dad lived on a farm in Victoria Australia and aparantly Honda representatives visited his families farm and saw a custom made 3 wheeler he built and thought that was an amazing idea and copied the idea and as a thank you gift Honda gave my dad the very first 3 wheeler they ever produced and it's still in our shed at home, it's green and like your one and came with a wooden flatbed trailer.

  • @tomfry131
    @tomfry131 День тому

    The 1st 3 wheelers where made here in the us. Spd tricart or a tricub. Rupp made a 3 wheeler called a alsort trisport

  • @jonathanquenneville7968
    @jonathanquenneville7968 11 місяців тому +1

    Hello I loved your video I recently found 2 (Barn find) 1970 or 71 Honda Trike with great condition balloon tires. I wondered if you could share any good parts websites for parts. I will try to rebuilt what i have but need a few things. trying to keep original thx JQ

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  11 місяців тому

      Your best source for US90 parts is Mike Palmgren and his website is shop.vintagemotorsports.net/ You won't be disappointed! And glad you liked the video!

  • @GlenHeidrich-xf9td
    @GlenHeidrich-xf9td Рік тому +1

    Sport king inc. Made a bike and trike from 1968 to 1972. In Detroit mi then Rogers City mi.

  • @lannyyeakle8826
    @lannyyeakle8826 Рік тому

    the model I have the Mud Bugs and also the Alsport Trisports Dunn cycle was early

  • @max_murphy2511
    @max_murphy2511 3 роки тому +1

    Very cool challenger! What other cars do you have, saw some cool ones in that old photo.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +2

      My father collected cars. In 1986 (a few years after he stopped drinking and his health stabilized) he bought a 1957 Plymouth Belvedere. The Challenger showed up around 1990.... then he had a fiberglass 34 Ford Vicky/Pheaton built... beautiful car. Then a 1972 Chevelle SS joined the fleet; my mother was the original owner. I think after that came the 33 Dodge business coupe, then a 1948 Willys Jeepster, then a 1934 Dodge Humpback Delivery, then a 1949 Ford pickup. He had a couple others in there, but they were sold somewhere along the way. Those 8 are all still in the family and hopefully not going anywhere.

    • @max_murphy2511
      @max_murphy2511 3 роки тому

      @@ThisOldTrike wow very good collection

  • @skipman4735
    @skipman4735 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video. Very informative. I have a 72 tahition red. It's a little rough but runs pretty good. It's got the original front tire but the rears are Goodyear's that were retrofitted . I really enjoy your videos. Thanks.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      Thank you!! Sounds like you've got a good one! Enjoy!

    • @hiflowhiflow
      @hiflowhiflow 2 роки тому

      Can you still get the ballooon tyres ?

  • @chrisanderson6611
    @chrisanderson6611 3 роки тому +1

    They're also seems to be a difference in the rear fenders. Looking from behind, some seem to have a more flat back and others have a curved taper. I don't notice a consistency with the manufacture build years?

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      You are correct and I believe I discuss that in the video. The change came in 1974 with the Daytona Orange 90. That style stayed through 1978 and changed for 1979 when the 110 came out and they went to plastic fenders.

  • @1Thatstrangeguy
    @1Thatstrangeguy 2 роки тому

    Is there any hope on the horizon of replica balloon tires being made?

  • @oldcroneysgarage9739
    @oldcroneysgarage9739 3 роки тому +1

    Hondas are red
    Yamaha's are yellow,
    But only red,
    Will do for this fellow 😉

  • @NEWFIEBULLET-1
    @NEWFIEBULLET-1 Рік тому +1

    Too cool bud

  • @tfmproph5
    @tfmproph5 2 роки тому +1

    Wow 🤩

  • @j308s7
    @j308s7 2 роки тому

    You forgot to mention about the rotatable unlockable handlebars on the early machines-was it deleted on the last balloon tyre US90? Also,can you do a video on how the rear axle pulls out so the machine can be put in the boot of a car? That would be great.Greetings from the U.K

  • @fivestar5844
    @fivestar5844 3 роки тому +1

    Those things are so cool. How much is that original red one worth in the market? I recently seen a restored blue one sell on ebay for 12k I was shocked. I assume the original one is worth more.

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому

      Well, I don't think this one would bring $12k... I wouldn't sell it for less than $5k... I honestly don't feel it's worth a whole lot more than that. Maybe I'm wrong. $12k seems to be a crazy amount to pay for one of these...

  • @mattcampo1790
    @mattcampo1790 3 роки тому +1

    Holy Shit Preston.. Did you go gray since the last video lol?

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      Hahahaha I think it was just a bright day highlighting my gray whiskers... I've got plenty of it though!

  • @cainbeeping8480
    @cainbeeping8480 2 роки тому

    Does anyone make ballon tires anymore? Cool car.

  • @hiflowhiflow
    @hiflowhiflow 2 роки тому +1

    Can we still buy tyres for these guys ?

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому +1

      No sir... but, Mike Palmgren at @vmsmike has just released a cool product to give the illusion of balloon tires! Check him out!

    • @hiflowhiflow
      @hiflowhiflow 2 роки тому

      Would you have a pair of rear tyres you could sell me ?
      Happy to pay a good price 🙂

  • @bradcarlson9564
    @bradcarlson9564 5 місяців тому

    I have read 1969 US90’s, have you ever seen one?

  • @jacobdimock9191
    @jacobdimock9191 2 роки тому

    You should try tire Ject or flat out in those tires that would make a good video.

  • @MadMax-et7um
    @MadMax-et7um День тому

    Those balloon tires were developed for the sand dunes.

  • @michaelhathcock7941
    @michaelhathcock7941 3 роки тому +2

    Jason Hanzal likes male and female ends 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @Old_Indian_Trick
    @Old_Indian_Trick 2 роки тому +1

    Can tire slime go in these tires?

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      I've never done it. I'd hate to steer your wrong and have something happen. The old school way to fix a leak on these is to put a patch on the outside.

  • @ricochetey
    @ricochetey 2 роки тому +1

    I think the Challenger is a great color just don't care for the white top

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      Yeah, I hear ya. Black top may have looked a little more sexy...

  • @blackbettythemudmower
    @blackbettythemudmower 2 роки тому

    Put the tires of the green one and put them on the yellow one next to it

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  2 роки тому

      Are you talking about the really ratty green one and the not so nice yellow one?

  • @gregorywood5445
    @gregorywood5445 3 роки тому +1

    I just sold a mint aquarius blue 1970

    • @ThisOldTrike
      @ThisOldTrike  3 роки тому +1

      Man... what did you get for that??

    • @gregorywood5445
      @gregorywood5445 3 роки тому

      6500,it was gorgeous.

    • @gregorywood5445
      @gregorywood5445 3 роки тому

      Actually feeling some pangs of regret. The money was good but I have had the trike since 1984 and restored it. It was really special. I wanted it to be in a museum.

  • @JohnMceachron
    @JohnMceachron 2 місяці тому +1

    i think i just bought a 1972,3 barn find

  • @funtyes1970
    @funtyes1970 2 роки тому

    wow what a car is that a AC car to? i love cars like that big fan old classic cars . i seen cars like that with rust sell for $20k to $30k i know that car is priceless to you cuz it was your dad car . i bet a car like that with 40k miles worth close to $100k or more . old cars like been jumping up in value like crazy last 7-10 years just saying