In a world where the cold war focuses less on weapons development and is centered around space exploration and expoitation. We dont have stealth fighter technology but on the other hand have a manned base on mars......very difficult choice.
@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades
@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.
@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.
@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.
Apple actually heavily advertises the show inside the Apple TV app... Not much, if at all, anywhere else. Presumably, they only care that existing subscribers are actually watching them... Not sure why they don't want to advertise out to get more subscribers...
I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed
My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.
My father is a retired Aerospace engineer. I knew I had to show him this as soon as the Corvette race in episode one started. We were both mesmerized by the possibilities and differences the show showed.
It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.
The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again. Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.
It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.
Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.
It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.
Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!
Something I’m gonna mention because I’m in the middle of a rewatch of season four about in the middle of episode 9 Daniel Poole says that there are only 3 Star Trek shows, meaning they either stopped after DS9 or the accelerated rate of space development changed everything after TOS
I think the ones she was referring to were probably TOS, TAS, and Phase II, since according to Ronald D. Moore, Phase II got made in that universe. There was no Motion Picture, and Wrath of Khan was the first Trek film. I think all of the Berman era shows don't exist in that timeline :0
@@OrangeRiverthat is kind of unfortunate since DS9 is one of the best Star Trek shows of all time. A lot of the stories in DS9 simply wouldn't happen in For All Mankind. Terrorism that the Bajorans used wouldn't be as important a topic, it would be more 'hopefully" since Happy Valley, Jamestown, etc., exist. However, the loses to TV shows are nothing compared to the gains in FAM, so I would gladly take that.
I find FAM to be a great show and I absolutely would find this timeline to be much more interesting. I do also like some of nuggets that are dropped like having Thatcher die in an IRA attack, while Lennon survives his assassination attempt and goes on to have a Beatles reunion concert tour. I mean some of the stuff is unrealistic but the idea of more countries becoming like China and Vietnam that combine communist and free market ideas has proven to be a bit more effective then the command style that the USSR used. Whether the space program would have actually saved the USSR in the long term is a more complicated question but its a fascinating look at how a few things could rapidly alter the timeline. I also agree it seems to serve more as a prequel for The Expanse and the labor issues are interesting for me as a union official for my union because the labor strike was one of the most realistic events that probably will happen as private industry tries to make money in space.
I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me
And your seriously trying to say that The expanse doesn't have any melodramatic components in it You've got to be kidding me 😂😂😂 Have you even seen it whit your eyes open 😂😂
I’d love to live in the timeline/ universe of FaM. 1. Socialism is a much bigger thing. So many options available to live in a system that I actually agree with. 2. Technology is on such a better trajectory than our own 3. Earlier civil rights improvements such as marriage equality 4. Very cool spaceships!
22:42 I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk. However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk. Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.
One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.
The first two seasons of this show is IMO objectively the most enjoyable SiFi-drama ever made. The latter two seasons are good but I don’t think reach the same heights. Something of note about the changes between our reality and the shows that I don’t believe you mentioned is that in the show NASA is allowed to generate revenue from the technologies it develops allowing it to be essentially self funded. As to the question, I don’t think that I would want to live in that universe however I do wish that the USA space program hadn’t been as deprioritized as it was in ours.
This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons. The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before. Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.
I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.
Great recap! Btw the staffer Ted Kennedy is caught with in this timeline was Mary Jo Kopechne, who was the woman who died in the car Kennedy drove off the bridge at Chappaquiddick in our timeline.
You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.
It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.
I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.
I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows. There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.
In our timeline, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism coincided with the fall of socialism. In the series, however, the USSR does not fail, and this would likely mean less religious extremism.
l live in Latvia, a country whose citizens were in the process of being displaced by Russians during the Soviet era. Latvia as a nation simply would not exist in this timeline. So no, I'm very grateful that isn't the universe we inhabit.
I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong
Sorry I'm late to the party. For whatever reason, the first 3 seasons felt completely plausible and real. Yeah, there was some hand-waving with science/technology, and people made ridiculous bad decisions for the purpose of moving the story along...and there was some goofy political stuff, but it was fun. Ellen and Larry bearding each other all the way into the White House (as Republicans) only to enact "don't ask don't tell," and immediately repealing it was a highlight for me. Season 4 felt weird, though. The idea of a labor unrest on Mars was set up nicely, and made sense...but they had a $20 trillion discovery fall into their laps, and they had a way to start cashing in within 5 years. It already seemed weird for the likes of Poole, Tyler, and Hobson (given his background) to take a default union-busting position, but on top of that, there seemed to be zero Soviets at least amused by the workers seizing the means of production. I get that the point is that the Soviet Union (in the show and in real life) was basically a capitalist autocracy that calls it self "communist," but a lot of the characters were supposed to believe in the Marxist/Leninist philosophy. It all seemed like a wasted opportunity, both from a story perspective, and for the characters themselves. They could have had a pro-negotiation faction consisting of union-sympathizers, communist idealists, and pragmatic capitalists going up against a hardline "law & order" faction filled with capitalist hardliners, Soviet "patriots," and anti-union politicians. They could have relatively quickly (maybe even after a violent incident) worked out a deal similar to what Dev offered (which would make sense, given how much money would be available), and then the story could have focused on the future of Mars and space exploration...even ending the season with Margo & Aleida doing what they did. I'm guessing that stuff like this was bounced around the writers' room, and it didn't seem dramatic enough?
It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.
Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now
Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier. We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.
Ed makes mention of Elon Musk in season 3, and presumably Tesla when talking about his rental electric Roadster but i don't think SpaceX exists in the universe
The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.
Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it. I still recommend this show. Great space drama.
Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!
I didn't like For all Mankind's portrayal of the alternate Reagan era. Alternative Reagan was, plausibly, awful--escalating the cold war by placing a nuclear reactor capable of making weapons grade uranium on the moon, and deploying armed marines to the moon. These are both violations of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, the main UN treaty governing the conduct of nations in space. The problem was that there was no voice of moral opposition to Reagan's outrageous behavior within the series. I wanted Ellen Waverly to be that voice, especially given her inspiring monologue at the end of the first season about the value of space exploration. Just how plausible is it that a lesbian woman with a lesbian poet girlfriend would be a Reagan supporting Republican? Yet, Ellen is portrayed as Reagan's willing stooge. Danny's Apollo-Soyuz mission provides the pretext for Reagan to back down from his confrontation with the Soviets. Reagan's actions in the series actually made little sense. Why was he attempting to emplace nuclear weapons on the moon? What, other than provoking the nuclear confrontation we saw in the series, did he hope to accomplish? And if it was important to place nuclear weapons on the moon, why did he back down so easily? That part of the plot was not well thought out. Admittedly, real Reagan's advocacy of a 'Star Wars' space based missile defense system didn't make much sense either, given that numerous experts assured us it wasn't actually feasible. Still, its not clear what the writers of 'For All Mankind' were trying to say about the Reagan era, and that whole season ended up seeming subtly incoherent.
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I would absolutely love to live in a timeline where we didn't abandon space exploration, so I'm there.
we're just gonna leapfrog at some point.
Real
In a world where the cold war focuses less on weapons development and is centered around space exploration and expoitation. We dont have stealth fighter technology but on the other hand have a manned base on mars......very difficult choice.
It's a very underrated serie. One of the best shows to date.
It's not underrated, the viewership was solid until they started pushing social agendas into the script and eventually became repetitive.
@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades
@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.
@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.
@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.
apple does a terrible job promoting its shows. I never knew this show existed, but now I want to watch it
A lot of these streaming services do a terrible job promoting their shows, sadly :/
Apple actually heavily advertises the show inside the Apple TV app... Not much, if at all, anywhere else. Presumably, they only care that existing subscribers are actually watching them... Not sure why they don't want to advertise out to get more subscribers...
I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed
My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.
My father is a retired Aerospace engineer. I knew I had to show him this as soon as the Corvette race in episode one started. We were both mesmerized by the possibilities and differences the show showed.
Thanks for doing this video on "For All Mankind". I've heard good things about the series.
@@kowmangbeltalowda7584Sir.
What are space operas?
@@bitter_one1336 "Malor Pagoda" is a wonderful Klingon opera.
It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.
The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again.
Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.
Ok, for new ppl getting into the show it starts slow first season but wait it out. It gets so damn good.
It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.
FAM is one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched.
"We come in peace for all mankind" ... in the middle of a cold war pissing contense
Hi Bob!
Hi Bob
Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.
😂 Nice
It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.
Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!
I never knew this show existed. GG Apple, just keep this stuff a secret.
It's great- check it out. Great musical drops too.
Something I’m gonna mention because I’m in the middle of a rewatch of season four about in the middle of episode 9 Daniel Poole says that there are only 3 Star Trek shows, meaning they either stopped after DS9 or the accelerated rate of space development changed everything after TOS
I think the ones she was referring to were probably TOS, TAS, and Phase II, since according to Ronald D. Moore, Phase II got made in that universe. There was no Motion Picture, and Wrath of Khan was the first Trek film. I think all of the Berman era shows don't exist in that timeline :0
@@OrangeRiverthat is kind of unfortunate since DS9 is one of the best Star Trek shows of all time. A lot of the stories in DS9 simply wouldn't happen in For All Mankind. Terrorism that the Bajorans used wouldn't be as important a topic, it would be more 'hopefully" since Happy Valley, Jamestown, etc., exist. However, the loses to TV shows are nothing compared to the gains in FAM, so I would gladly take that.
can't wait to watch this!! I haven't finished the series but wow, S1 was awesome. S2 is really good so far.
For All Mankind isn't alt history, it's a documentary from the real Prime Timeline and we're in the alt universe
Great summary of the show so far. The points of early divergence were especially interesting.
Hell yes! Glad you're covering this show.
Very excellent work, as always! Many thanks - much appreciated!
I find FAM to be a great show and I absolutely would find this timeline to be much more interesting. I do also like some of nuggets that are dropped like having Thatcher die in an IRA attack, while Lennon survives his assassination attempt and goes on to have a Beatles reunion concert tour. I mean some of the stuff is unrealistic but the idea of more countries becoming like China and Vietnam that combine communist and free market ideas has proven to be a bit more effective then the command style that the USSR used. Whether the space program would have actually saved the USSR in the long term is a more complicated question but its a fascinating look at how a few things could rapidly alter the timeline. I also agree it seems to serve more as a prequel for The Expanse and the labor issues are interesting for me as a union official for my union because the labor strike was one of the most realistic events that probably will happen as private industry tries to make money in space.
I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me
And your seriously trying to say that
The expanse doesn't have any melodramatic components in it
You've got to be kidding me 😂😂😂
Have you even seen it whit your eyes open 😂😂
@@yvindwestersund9720 lol indeed, most of the expanse is melodrama. I usually just skip those scenes to get to the space part :D
@@vololoo but one must say that what's not melodramatic is actually very good
Thanks for all your hard work man!
I’d love to live in the timeline/ universe of FaM.
1. Socialism is a much bigger thing. So many options available to live in a system that I actually agree with.
2. Technology is on such a better trajectory than our own
3. Earlier civil rights improvements such as marriage equality
4. Very cool spaceships!
It's the Star Trek prequel you never knew you wanted.
Maybe mirror universe prequel especially with what went down in the last season. Ron Moore did work on Trek.
15:50 , small correction but Starship uses methane no Hydrogen
I bloody love For All Mankind!!!
22:42
I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk.
However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk.
Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.
One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.
Love this show
The first two seasons of this show is IMO objectively the most enjoyable SiFi-drama ever made. The latter two seasons are good but I don’t think reach the same heights. Something of note about the changes between our reality and the shows that I don’t believe you mentioned is that in the show NASA is allowed to generate revenue from the technologies it develops allowing it to be essentially self funded. As to the question, I don’t think that I would want to live in that universe however I do wish that the USA space program hadn’t been as deprioritized as it was in ours.
Glad to see more reviews of this Alt History Sci-Fi/Drama
I love this show, I'm so glad you are covering it.
The FAM timeline is so advanced they got eight years of Reagan over with by 1984 😂
LMFAO
I like to live in for all mankind.
This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons.
The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before.
Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.
FAM sounds rather like an alternate history story I read over a decade ago.
I hope they are involved in the show.
Hi Bob.
I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.
Thanks for making this video. I really enjoyed binging this show and I’m happy they’re working on a new season!
Hi, Bob.
Great recap! Btw the staffer Ted Kennedy is caught with in this timeline was Mary Jo Kopechne, who was the woman who died in the car Kennedy drove off the bridge at Chappaquiddick in our timeline.
I gotta watch this.
LET'S GET STARTED!@!!!@!@!@!
Should be on his Tshirts.
You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.
I love this show.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Great video. FAM is easily up there with the best sci-fi shows of this century.
I Would Say that "For All Mankind" be "Unofficial Prequel" to The Awesome "The Expanse" xd
Wait till the end for my thoughts on that :D
It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.
that would be a really fun connection if they could make it work haha
@cowsagainstcapitalism347 The MCU broke people's brains and now everything has to be connected XD
I’ve had that thought since season 2, personally FAM is the best sci-fi on tv right now.
Absolutely Love this show!
And a day talk lasted between 1994-2003
Great video. I don't like supporting Apple, but I might get this service just to watch this series.
I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.
Great video. I don't think the series could work as a star trek prequel as Danny mentions the tv show and ensuring her grandson will be a trekkie.
I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows.
There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.
You forgot the civil war in Saudi Arabia in the early 2000s. (Said in passing at NASA in season 4.)
In our timeline, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism coincided with the fall of socialism. In the series, however, the USSR does not fail, and this would likely mean less religious extremism.
The Beatles get back together in 1975. I'm all in.
Bought the first season and now I'm HOOKED!!!
l live in Latvia, a country whose citizens were in the process of being displaced by Russians during the Soviet era. Latvia as a nation simply would not exist in this timeline. So no, I'm very grateful that isn't the universe we inhabit.
Love that show!
Hi Bob
OR is like ima stand by a bridge it will look cool ... it did
Way better then the handicapeable spaces
I wonder if South Africa continued it's initial space program in the show universe
That explains why the piles regolith and I can’t wait for star city
YES!
I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong
😂 This is very true
Dev is literally a brilliant, successful physicist, whereas the "other guy" is more of a classic "fake it till you make it type"
I love this channel.
In THIS show's timeline a LOT of things happen differently...and I'd likely have gone to work for a private space company! I like it there!
CyberEd. I still believe.
This seems more like a time travelers check list then a show recap.
? I mean, videos like these are always lore breakdowns and examinations of alternate worlds. I try explicitly NOT to make them just "show recaps"
@@OrangeRiver I meant it as a compliment.
@iindium49 Fair enough 👍👍
Sorry I'm late to the party. For whatever reason, the first 3 seasons felt completely plausible and real. Yeah, there was some hand-waving with science/technology, and people made ridiculous bad decisions for the purpose of moving the story along...and there was some goofy political stuff, but it was fun. Ellen and Larry bearding each other all the way into the White House (as Republicans) only to enact "don't ask don't tell," and immediately repealing it was a highlight for me.
Season 4 felt weird, though. The idea of a labor unrest on Mars was set up nicely, and made sense...but they had a $20 trillion discovery fall into their laps, and they had a way to start cashing in within 5 years. It already seemed weird for the likes of Poole, Tyler, and Hobson (given his background) to take a default union-busting position, but on top of that, there seemed to be zero Soviets at least amused by the workers seizing the means of production. I get that the point is that the Soviet Union (in the show and in real life) was basically a capitalist autocracy that calls it self "communist," but a lot of the characters were supposed to believe in the Marxist/Leninist philosophy.
It all seemed like a wasted opportunity, both from a story perspective, and for the characters themselves. They could have had a pro-negotiation faction consisting of union-sympathizers, communist idealists, and pragmatic capitalists going up against a hardline "law & order" faction filled with capitalist hardliners, Soviet "patriots," and anti-union politicians. They could have relatively quickly (maybe even after a violent incident) worked out a deal similar to what Dev offered (which would make sense, given how much money would be available), and then the story could have focused on the future of Mars and space exploration...even ending the season with Margo & Aleida doing what they did.
I'm guessing that stuff like this was bounced around the writers' room, and it didn't seem dramatic enough?
It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.
Agreed. The depiction of science, geopolitics and economics are just too facile for me to be able to suspend disbelief.
Greece and Turkey are now members of the Warsaw Pact
The major reason i keep my apple sub. I can only access it on my pc and living room smart tv lol. I like space dramas, so im biased af.
I liked the series
Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now
It's a Mobile Suit Gundam prequel guys
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That's really helpful. :) (I've only gotten to see scattered episodes at a friend's house so it's a little hard to keep up. :) )
I think they will confirm it in star city 16:26
The For all Mankind easter egg in The Expanse more has to do with the Expanse showrunner being a writer for season 1 of FAM.
Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier.
We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.
Doto the Berlin wall, not be demolished 22:15
As someone watching the show for the first time with my gfs, and we haven't yet gotten past Season 2 Episode 2, thanks for the spoiler warning!
Ed makes mention of Elon Musk in season 3, and presumably Tesla when talking about his rental electric Roadster but i don't think SpaceX exists in the universe
I think Naren Shankar works on both shows, FAM and The Expanse
The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.
I think originally he was supposed to be Thomas Schaffer but he’s a state said no
What 'For All Mankind' needs is MUCH more Jodi Balfour. 👩❤️👩
Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it.
I still recommend this show. Great space drama.
I am greek. greece be communist in that timeline make a lot of sense
I would rather live in the For All Mankind universe. No climate change? A settlement on Mars? A female president? I’m in.
Its a Star Trek prequel... or The Expanse prequel. It works for both😁
...not really, which is why I make an argument against both at the end of my video 😅
Very close to our reality, For All Mankind is the most realistic scifi ever produced in my opinion.
I could certainly see it as a prequel to "The Expanse" but not Star Trek...well, in the mirror universe perhaps. OK, now I'm confused
Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!
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Currently Apple has the best sci-fi show out now, For All Mankind. They also have the worst sci-fi on tv, Invasion.
I didn't like For all Mankind's portrayal of the alternate Reagan era. Alternative Reagan was, plausibly, awful--escalating the cold war by placing a nuclear reactor capable of making weapons grade uranium on the moon, and deploying armed marines to the moon. These are both violations of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, the main UN treaty governing the conduct of nations in space. The problem was that there was no voice of moral opposition to Reagan's outrageous behavior within the series. I wanted Ellen Waverly to be that voice, especially given her inspiring monologue at the end of the first season about the value of space exploration. Just how plausible is it that a lesbian woman with a lesbian poet girlfriend would be a Reagan supporting Republican? Yet, Ellen is portrayed as Reagan's willing stooge. Danny's Apollo-Soyuz mission provides the pretext for Reagan to back down from his confrontation with the Soviets. Reagan's actions in the series actually made little sense. Why was he attempting to emplace nuclear weapons on the moon? What, other than provoking the nuclear confrontation we saw in the series, did he hope to accomplish? And if it was important to place nuclear weapons on the moon, why did he back down so easily? That part of the plot was not well thought out. Admittedly, real Reagan's advocacy of a 'Star Wars' space based missile defense system didn't make much sense either, given that numerous experts assured us it wasn't actually feasible. Still, its not clear what the writers of 'For All Mankind' were trying to say about the Reagan era, and that whole season ended up seeming subtly incoherent.