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My mom stopped smoking around ‘82. She wore a rubber band around her wrist and snapped herself when she wanted a smoke. Don’t remember how long it took, but she hasn’t smoked since then. I’m sure she probably prayed, but never credited it to God or mystical experience. She tells people about the rubber band to this day.
@@johnnybgood7442 LOL Peterson would give a 20 minute diatribe how rubber bands compare to Nietzsche saying “man is a rope, stretched across the abyss…” and then throw Dostoyevsky in there for some fucking reason…and I’d tell him “nope…it was just a rubber band..”
That's what happens when you get sucked into the game of trying to win debates or arguments. It's easy to lose touch with (the common conception of) reality. Scoring points then becomes the most important thing. Yes it's sad. But it's not permanent. Getting out of the game can bring back a sense of normalcy. But whether or not anyone is completely sane to begin with is highly questionable.
@@Dither87 He really only got famous for standing up for a First Amendment-style takedown of that one bill that could be weaponized against dissenting opinions. Travesty, really, that such low-hanging fruit bore such a terrible harvest.
Matt corrected himself and agreed with Jordan. *(In the actual debate) So you should say "Ok, Jordan and Matt" If you want to be consistent. *If you were not aware of this, I can't really blame you.
Yep, and he conveniently omits the fact that the 'mystical and religious' experiences people have been having for 150,000 years with drugs are highly culturally and individually dependent. Just like near death experiences and completely lucid mystical experiences. No native Australian saw Jesus prior to Christianity reaching them no matter how many mushrooms they ate.
He really shows up Peterson. Peterson likes to make out he's more intelligent than everyone and uses long words and makes out he's read everything; but coming up against someone highly intelligent shows there's not much substance to his arguments.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
The thing that stands out, over and over again, in this debate is that Dillahunty keeps trying to keep things on track and make broader points, and Peterson keeps throwing out interjections and asides and seems happy to just go off on any tangent possible.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Fully agree. Also the overall impression I got especially from this debate is that he was given no grip to deploy his usual linguistic tools against his "opponent" but instead run into a solid wall.
@@layzer6421 God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Who is "sexually immoral" and why is it so much of a sin for an all powerful God to use his name in vain? What all these shitty descriptions of "sin" actually do is exposing the limited mind of the old uneducated men who really created and wrote then, in their dark caves.
@@layzer6421 Sexual immmorality islikeloooking with lust, poorn , fornication etc Taking God's Name in vain is like OMG or not giving God the proper honour He deserves This is coming from a good place, my love for you are drops in the ocean compared to God’s love for you. Jesus loves you and wants to save you from hell so love Him back.
as an ex smoker that smoked for years i can tell u i went pure cold turkey one day without any problem. it was an ambition thing and i wanted to prove that i can do it and that smoking had no power over me. to go even further i even smoked 1 cigar about a year later to prove to some people but also myself that i can do that without going back to smoking. it was the last cigar i had
J.P. is supposed to be a leading intellectual AND YET thinks that you cannot give up smoking without the SUPERNATURAL and death is preferable to life because it "stops suffering"?!?!
He doesn't think that death is preferable to life because it stops suffering, he paraphrased things that people who are suicidal or school shooters (or both) have said.
@@arnaldonrs7612 You act like it's some super deep and nuanced position when it's really just defining any natural process as somehow magic. Dude's a psuedoint.
Jordan talks about psychedelic drugs like someone who has never taken them. It really shows how low the intellectual bar has fallen that someone like him is seen to be doing something revolutionary.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@millennialanimal God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
I've already addressed this. The alleged trial re quitting smoking that Peterson mentions (@0:30) has serious flaws. It met none of the standards of a real trial: it wasn't randomized, had no control group (i.e. 2 separate groups), wasn't placebo controlled, wasn't double-blind, and had too small a subject sample (only 15 when you need a minimum of 100). Peterson, who claims he's a scientist (he isn't), abandons the scientific method and concludes that the trial (he calls it a study) proves that mystical experiences are real. Only someone who is unintelligent, or who is extremely biased, or has no scientific skill, would make such a conclusion.
I've done a myriad of psychedelic drugs in my life and although the experience seems "mystical" it's pretty clearly covered by what drugs do to your brain and body chemistry. At no point even as a teenager did I come off of shrooms or LSD convinced of a creator god
The problem here is he is letting his religious belief restrict his logic. In many subjects i find him quite eloquent and persuasive but as soon as religion is injected into the conversation he loses all objectiveness.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Yes, precisely. I even think the fact his fans are largely right-leaning has gradually forced him into his position of defending religion, as he would lose a significant amount of his fanbase and income if he were to identify as agnostic. He definitely has the logical reasoning skills required to arrive at an agnostic belief, "we can't know", but yet he keeps attempting to argue through deliberately obfuscated arguments, with unclear language, always ending up debating semantics by the end.
@@Martin.Hansen In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Faith is the denial of observation, and so I'll put the burden of proof on God and have him show himself to me clearly if he wants me to believe in him. If he wants me to believe in him, he should be perfectly able to make me do so if he's truly omnipotent. If I don't believe in him, it's either because he doesn't want me to, because he is not omnipotent or because he doesn't exist.
@@Martin.Hansen A Building is evidence of a builder, a painting is evidence of a painter. likewise creation (puppies, trees, animals and humans) proves there is a creator Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God
Looks that way. But debates are a spectator sport. They are not essentially a way of finding truth. So looking bad in front of an audience that favors the other guy is no big loss in my opinion.
@@piehound He looked bad because his arguments and explanations were awful. Its not a sporting event, the audience barely plays a role. Did you at any time see the camera pan to the audience?
@@itistrue101 opinion noted. It's combat using ideas expressed with words. And the audience can approve or disapprove with applause or other sounds. It's sport because there is apparently no evil intent. The only intent is to win the arguments and give a pleasing performance.
I love Dr.Petersons work and contribution to the world, especially us the weakned, deceived, confused, men because he helped us to build inner strength and resilience, but i also love to see how such a great individual like Jordan can be outclassed in an argument because it proves nobody is perfect and we all have work to do, truths to see and faults to admit.
They don’t call them magic mushrooms for nothing. In the lyrics of the Doors, break on through to the other side could be taken literally according to Peterson. Even though taking these types of drugs could result in a mystical experience why should there be a need for organized religion ? Doesn’t it make it irrelevant? Why do we need religion if we can have a God experience on our own without the priests and pastors?
Supernatural intervention to stop smoking?!!!! Bollocks. Once your mind "wakes up" to the fact that there is neither pleasure nor benefit to be attained from smoking you automatically "switch off" and you don't want to smoke. Both my son and I read Easy Way by Allen Carr and quit smoking there and then, without even finishing the book!
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
This is why people like JP shrivel when they talk to anyone that is prepared to have a discussion and they simply hang out on college campuses. JP, Shapiro, Walsh and Kirk are always mocking the plea to authority while simultaneously claiming to be an authority. At least Matt says "Neither of us are the authority so stop talking like you are. If you did stop, I would not need to be here." Matt goes after the people who claim to be an authority while JP only goes after the ones who seek it.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Peterson thinks that eating hallucinogenic mushrooms is not using chemical means. Truly he is one of the great gobshites of our time. Maybe once he uttered a cogent thought, but I'm not aware if it yet.
Why be so categorical? You can say Jordan messed up badly here, and being out of his depth, but to say he knows nothing about psychology, self improvement, symbolism, art is pretty arrogant.
Here is something interesting: Jordan says that the situation that all of humanity sneezes to exist is to hypothetical when asked if good still exist when all humans stop to exist. But the situation is very real: There was a time (roughly 100k to 500k years ago) when there where no humans. In the same sense there will be a time where there will be no humans (I doubt that we will colonize the whole Universe, till the heat death of it and most likely by the time the sun turns into a red giant we are gone). So I think he actually has to admit, that his god only exists as a concept.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech. It took the human theologians to in turn create the myth of there BEING a creator, as it is common sense that a creator could not create it's self. And if humans go extinct ... religion ... with all its theo-illogical fear-filled tales of evil souls suffering in afterlives for eternity ... will also be instantly extinct. It's as simple as that. “We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
@@AbsurdBear a good humour. I saw him postulate all atheists are liars because they have to believe. It’s childish and in family with flat earth people who says- if I can’t see it ( more like understand it) then it can’t be true
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
How can Jordan not know how to answer a simple question like" Would God exist if humanity didn't ". That to me says that he thinks humanity created God, not the other way around.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
If Peterson can’t answer the question how can he explain why we need God? Immediately I thought ,so God is a creation of man ? Without mankind there is no God.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 When a sin is committed,the deed is done and can’t be undone. According to you God intervenes and you get away with the offence. Do you say a simple prayer and everything is a clean slate. What about the person you committed a sin against? We don’t commit an offence against God it is always against another person. What did Jesus say about what was important about the commandments? Love God is the first and love your neighbour is the second. That is the problem mankind has, loving his fellowman. The first sin was in the garden of Eden but the second was Cain murdering Abel. We can do nothing about Adam and Eves sin of disobeying God. We became aware of what good and evil was and we’ve been struggling with that since the beginning. It is a choice we make for one or the other everyday of our lives. All we can do is forgive ourselves and decide not to repeat the sin but that sin still remains if we don’t receive the forgiveness of the one we offended. Anyway sorry about the long reply.
The single most important driving force of history is the intoxication and will to power; to become as gods among men. In common vernacular it's that "cult of personality." This is largely the story of history from the ancient pharaohs (claiming divine lineage) to the Caesars, and in more modern times Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc They have to compete with the most seditious words ever printed: We ought to obey God rather than man. Acts 5.22 Christians become self-directed under the inspiration of God, and when united with like-minded Christians, they have no need for the human demigods. Christians do not live as the meaningless, faceless common cattle of humanity peculiar to totalitarian power; but as Christians they become highly individualistic before God and among fellow believers with purpose and meaning to life that is much larger than the pursuit of the self. Just ask the communist of the former Soviet empire what threat this represents. The cascade of collapse started when the center of allegiance shifted from the Communist Party and to the church in Poland.
A Lettuce is only a Lettuce because of the metaphorical substrates that allow the Lettuce to believe in the the supernatural being because the Lettuce eats magic shrooms
@@catweasle5737 arnaldoetc makes banal comeback attempts at every few comment here without taking any of his/her pseudopoints further either due to trolling or simply for lacking mature capacity, so don't bother with him/her. Tried to have an experimental fruitful back and forth previously but still remain without a promised cigar at the end.
Because he, like Shapiro, Kirk and Walsh are in direct opposition to the authorities and experts that contradict their beliefs. Then manage to claim authority while also mocking the plea to authority of the subjects others are specialists in. Proving not that they are smart, but that those who listen to them are dumb and in most cases bigoted and prejudiced.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 🤦🏻♂️ which god are you talking about bro ?? And second you just demonstrate that god is real before making these assertions , go do some homework first kid then come back to talk to me before making yourself look like a big dummy again
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@mmur9233 This is coming from a good place, my love for you are drops in the ocean compared to God’s love for you. Jesus loves you and wants to save you from hell so love Him back.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 wow what a stupid response. I can love God without having God defined myopically in scriptures thousands of years old. My point is good moral people are going to burn for eternity because they were raised believing in a different diety. God sets these rules righy? If so, that Version of God is petty and evil. for someone like yourself i have zero expectation that a challenging point can land.
@@mmur9233 The wrong thinking taking billions to hell is thinking if my good outweighs bad then I am okay. A judge judges you on the crimes you have committed your good works are irrelevant. Good works only matter if you are saved. Psalm 7: 11 God is a just judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@mushroomsoup379 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Or you can stop smoking like I did 48 years ago. I smoked 3 packs a day and stopped because of the birth of my first daughter. So Jorsan Peterson has no idea of what he is talking about.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
When they were joking about throwing Sam off the stage. Maybe that could mean that Matt took Sam's place in some event that JP was aware of. Maybe even this event. Speculating, but that could explain why JP was in such a bad mood in this conversation. But some of that is just Matt being arrogant and annoying.
@@Zazacollector I think Matt was being unnecessarily snarky in many parts (but that might just be how he rolls), and JP was just in a bad mood and got angry in parts which was awkward. They also had respectful moments and they joked around and got along. So maybe I am being a bit too negative. But I think this discussion was too antagonistic to enjoy for the most part.
@@vege4920 because JP is an arrogant narcissist who has no ideas of his own. He sits on the shoulders of others ideas. IT is why he can articulate the subject but cannot explain nuance.
@@SophiaAphrodite When you read someone deep, you will find out that you had no ideas of your own. Everything worth saying has been said better already. Everyone sits on the shoulders of others ideas. Ultimate geniuses from Aristotle to Nietzsche built their ideas on previous ideas. JP is no exception. You should worry about your own arrogance and narcissism.
@@helenhettinger-hayes Not biological facts about ourselves, no. Nobody declares their ‘identifying height’ as 7’3” but their biological height as 5’8”. And if they did, we would quite rightly ridicule them.
@@helenhettinger-hayes You can declare anything you like, doesn't make it true, and doesn't mean that everyone around you has to pretend like they also believe a false claim about yourself is true... That's the problem. Anyone can say anything about themselves, and everyone has to play along? What about truth? Everyone has to abandon truth in order to what ... Not hurt feelings? Has this ever stopped Matt when talking to the religious and their beliefs?
Does he really? I've never heard of the guy, just stumbled upon this. I'm trying to make sense of the conflict of narratives in this channels comments. Is the bald guy an anti-biology woke fool talking to a woke idiot crowd through this channel or does he have valid points?
Blurry image making me blind. You dont need to believe in God you just need to believe in no thing. Those who lived in comfort will never understand a single thing but themselves. Play until the end nothing changes only articulated words. Once you reach the pinnacles of knowledge it is absolute silence and the only thing you can do is to protect it.
@@eleminatus yes, I am not American. I learned english by reading and using my ears. The truth is social media owns everything and I'm just leaving a message to absurb it that one day the system will understand it.
"What would you lose if people stopped believing in the existence of God?" The possibility of life after death, the possibility of a better place after death than a worse one, if there was life after death, and the possibility of a better life in the current one, if the moral decline in today's society is a consequence of throwing God and his ways out of the picture. That is just the idea of God, though given the proof that God is real, that says what he means and does what he says, then that presents another consequence if one were not to heed what this God has to say that may have far lasting ramifications beyond the life we live today.
Quantify "moral decline". Please provide proof that god is real, since you say you have it, and can have any direct effect on our world.. Not having a god would not automatically mean there could be no life after death.
@@ziploc2000 Take promiscuity and bonding, marriage, etc. The ability to bond with a partner is reduced for females with more sexual partners they have. So, clear case where modernity is far worse than tradition. (From an atheist.)
I was not debating the case of proof, I was giving the 'possibility,' the hypophetical argument for God. Even though the proof of an intelligent designer is all around us. @@ziploc2000
Safety is relative; a nightmare of a time on the planet for some, peace for others, depending on circumstance. Nothing new under the sun actually.@@Dr.exsack
Let me preface this: Matt was one of the people that made me realize I was an atheist. I learned a lot from him. However, I can’t help but feel he’s suffered brain rot from the woke movement. You CAN be an atheist, and at the same time understand how essential religion is for a society as a whole. Religion will never go away. So it’s up to us to pick the lesser of evils. Judaism and Christianity check the boxes
@Ithaca-vv5dy .... 'I am an atheist but....' society needs religion because all those OTHER PEOPLE are not as intelligent and wonderful as I am .... sounds kind of elitist (and this is not my personal observation of your argument this is a common response - see Alex O'Connor discussion with Richard Dawkins where this very topic is discussed)
100% And it's strange that you can be an atheist regarding god, but not towards this new religion. He can tell that a fictional character is not real, but if someone claims to be something they are not, because of the need to be PC or I don't know what, virtue signaling, then the entire world needs to play along and pretend like it's real. For what? Claim that the opposite would cause harm? Isn't he causing the same type of harm when he rebuts religious nonsense?
@@RalphJBater yes. Sorry, it might hurt feelings, but yes. There are less intelligent people and I think religious TRADITION is very very important to them. It is up to us to determine which one they subscribe to
@@RalphJBater That may be very well fact. As George Carlin so eloquently said: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.". It's sad to say but so many people don't have the required mental faculty to become an atheist, not to mention that with childhood indoctrination, you're fighting against human nature on so many levels. How many took my last sentence as evidence of god? Seriously, atheism may seem obvious, but apparently, god has not given the average, nor the majority of humans, the faculties to realize that he is not real.
What utter nonsense, large chunks of society even in the USA function perfectly well without pretending to believe in an invisible magic sky wizard. In other countries religion is dying out very rapidly. We need to dump superstition as quickly as we can ween people away from it in order to progress. If you think religion is indispensable explain why.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
As much as JP is a prick. He is not an idiot. HE is a scholar who has managed to articulate everyone elses ideas while having none of his own while making you think HE thought of it. That is pretty smart, even if insidious.
I took a random 10 minute segment of that debate and counted how many times each made an "I/me/my" statement. MD did so 48 times or about once every 20 seconds. JP, who just recently interviewed Benjamin Netanyahu, 3 presidential candidates, plus some Nobel prize winners wanted to talk about the topics. MD who recently interviewed Alex from Hattiesburg and Chris from Oxnard was all "me, me, me." MD crafts arguments like a smart 13 year old with raging hormones..
Dillahunty merely points out a personal approach on how to solve a question and can refer to the objective reality that's in concordance with his view regardless what others would want it to be, which is the main point when discussing facts. Broadly referring to "many" or "a lot" without specifying who or which ones make the claim is but a diversion from responsibility thus a non sequitur as it gives nothing of substance to find out whether it stands up to scrutiny or not. Descending to ad hominems reveal the interlocutor has run out of solid arguments supporting their assertions. Where you fit in is obvious.
This is how you destroy someone who claims to be an authority when they have no evidence of it. An authority will say YOU while someone challenging that authority will say I. This dismantles JPs narcissism and claim of authority on these subjects. JP has no personal experiences to draw from. It is all what he has read and taken from others. You are just upset JP looks like a toddler when the other person does not recognize his authority. MD has actual life experience, JP merely cites ( and in many cases lies about ) everyone elses.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Jordan doesn't understand science. "it's not defintive proof" It's not proof at all. The fact that you felt something supernatural acting in your favor doesn't prove said supernatural entity exists. Just like the fact that Bach thought God inspired him to make his music in no way is evidence of God existing.
When I clicked the poll that sent me here, it was 56/44 in Matt's favour. I've seen the full debate a few times over the years and, while both men made cogent points throughout, only JP descended into the realm of the risible.
When Matt says there’s some things we should keep and others we should not keep… omg the arrogance of wanting to decide for the world. So glad he’ll always be powerless except over violent adolescents.
He's not saying he should be able to arbitrarily decide for the entirety of humanity. Rather that there are good and bad parts, and we should keep the good ones and drop the bad ones.
Society would make that choice. Just as Christianity said it was okay to burn witches and have slaves, society decide no, that those things were evil and should stop. It all starts with conversations like these and in these comments sections.
My god, i keep looking at these comments and i don't know if i find funny, surprising, enraging or simply sad how you people simply make a effort in not understand Jordan's point
@@arnaldonrs7612 You do realize an ad hominem merely reveals the interlocutor's well of subjectively considered solid arguments has prematurely run dry?
@@patriklindholm7576 The difference is that I'm not just using ad hominem, but also adding a actual argument on top of it. Ad hominem is just the cherry on top More specifically this case, accepting your challenge, so how's it going to be?
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
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Peterson body language is evidence on how badly he's losing every single argument
My mom stopped smoking around ‘82. She wore a rubber band around her wrist and snapped herself when she wanted a smoke. Don’t remember how long it took, but she hasn’t smoked since then. I’m sure she probably prayed, but never credited it to God or mystical experience. She tells people about the rubber band to this day.
Well, rubber bands are actually part of the metaphysical substrate.
@@johnnybgood7442 LOL Peterson would give a 20 minute diatribe how rubber bands compare to Nietzsche saying “man is a rope, stretched across the abyss…” and then throw Dostoyevsky in there for some fucking reason…and I’d tell him “nope…it was just a rubber band..”
@@detroitpolak9904 This is so true lmao. I love Dostoevsky but Peterson seems to think he's relevant to every discussion imaginable.
@@user295. every time I watch a video I make a guess when he’s going to mention him LOL. Holy shit that’s funny.
I just realized I should’ve changed the Nietzsche quote to “man is a RUBBER BAND, stretched across the abyss..” I’m so mad at myself right now.
Jorden Peterson is laughable. Every time Matt tried to say one sentence Jorden would interject and ask a different question.
He's a one-trick pont--deflection.
Jordan has gone totally off the rails. SAD
That assumes he was great to begin with. The man has always been a looney. Just listen to episodes about him on Behind the Bastards.
That's what happens when you get sucked into the game of trying to win debates or arguments. It's easy to lose touch with (the common conception of) reality. Scoring points then becomes the most important thing. Yes it's sad. But it's not permanent. Getting out of the game can bring back a sense of normalcy. But whether or not anyone is completely sane to begin with is highly questionable.
@@Dither87 He really only got famous for standing up for a First Amendment-style takedown of that one bill that could be weaponized against dissenting opinions.
Travesty, really, that such low-hanging fruit bore such a terrible harvest.
he was never on the rails in the first place being Canadian..
@@Otto-mq8lgIdiot
“Drugs are evidence of the supernatural” okay, Jordan.
Lol jp is such a loser
He's totally out of his depth. Now, if you've seen his stuff recently he's just a religious zealot
Matt corrected himself and agreed with Jordan. *(In the actual debate)
So you should say "Ok, Jordan and Matt" If you want to be consistent.
*If you were not aware of this, I can't really blame you.
@@vege4920 What did Matt agree with exactly?
When I heard this sentence, I asked myself: OK, if drugs are evidence of the supernatural, then why are many religions against the use of drugs?
'mystical experience' is such a nebulous ill defined term it suits Peterson down to the ground.
Yep, and he conveniently omits the fact that the 'mystical and religious' experiences people have been having for 150,000 years with drugs are highly culturally and individually dependent. Just like near death experiences and completely lucid mystical experiences. No native Australian saw Jesus prior to Christianity reaching them no matter how many mushrooms they ate.
He really shows up Peterson. Peterson likes to make out he's more intelligent than everyone and uses long words and makes out he's read everything; but coming up against someone highly intelligent shows there's not much substance to his arguments.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
The thing that stands out, over and over again, in this debate is that Dillahunty keeps trying to keep things on track and make broader points, and Peterson keeps throwing out interjections and asides and seems happy to just go off on any tangent possible.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Fully agree. Also the overall impression I got especially from this debate is that he was given no grip to deploy his usual linguistic tools against his "opponent" but instead run into a solid wall.
@@layzer6421 God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Who is "sexually immoral" and why is it so much of a sin for an all powerful God to use his name in vain? What all these shitty descriptions of "sin" actually do is exposing the limited mind of the old uneducated men who really created and wrote then, in their dark caves.
@@layzer6421 Sexual immmorality islikeloooking with lust, poorn , fornication etc Taking God's Name in vain is like OMG or not giving God the proper honour He deserves
This is coming from a good place, my love for you are drops in the ocean compared to God’s love for you.
Jesus loves you and wants to save you from hell so love Him back.
as an ex smoker that smoked for years i can tell u i went pure cold turkey one day without any problem. it was an ambition thing and i wanted to prove that i can do it and that smoking had no power over me. to go even further i even smoked 1 cigar about a year later to prove to some people but also myself that i can do that without going back to smoking. it was the last cigar i had
Big if true
Praise the Lord
Very impressive. Congratulations on it.
A great illustration that Peterson is basically a showman. Bluster is no substitute for critical thinking.
J.P. is supposed to be a leading intellectual AND YET thinks that you cannot give up smoking without the SUPERNATURAL and death is preferable to life because it "stops suffering"?!?!
He doesn't think that death is preferable to life because it stops suffering, he paraphrased things that people who are suicidal or school shooters (or both) have said.
@@khoavo5758 That is absolutely NOT the thrust of what J.P. was saying!
@@r.i.p.volodya I didn’t say that was the thrust of what he was saying?
@@khoavo5758 Why contradict me then??
@@r.i.p.volodya Just fyi?
You Can't Stop Smoking Without A Supernatural Exprrience - The Dumbest Person Ever
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My god i don't know if i find funny, surprising, enraging or simply sad how you people simply make a effort in not understand Jordan's point
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You act like it's some super deep and nuanced position when it's really just defining any natural process as somehow magic. Dude's a psuedoint.
@@damon22441 It's not a matter of being deep or not, is a matter of simply misquoting
@@arnaldonrs7612 How is directly quoting verbatim with the video as context misquoting
Jordan talks about psychedelic drugs like someone who has never taken them. It really shows how low the intellectual bar has fallen that someone like him is seen to be doing something revolutionary.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You should really find psychological help.
@@millennialanimal God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
I've already addressed this. The alleged trial re quitting smoking that Peterson mentions
(@0:30) has serious flaws.
It met none of the standards of a real trial: it wasn't randomized, had no control group (i.e. 2 separate groups), wasn't placebo controlled, wasn't double-blind, and had too small a subject sample (only 15 when you need a minimum of 100).
Peterson, who claims he's a scientist (he isn't), abandons the scientific method and concludes that the trial (he calls it a study) proves that mystical experiences are real. Only someone who is unintelligent, or who is extremely biased, or has no scientific skill, would make such a conclusion.
ThisJordan Peterson is a bad copy of Deepak Chopra.
I've done a myriad of psychedelic drugs in my life and although the experience seems "mystical" it's pretty clearly covered by what drugs do to your brain and body chemistry. At no point even as a teenager did I come off of shrooms or LSD convinced of a creator god
The problem here is he is letting his religious belief restrict his logic. In many subjects i find him quite eloquent and persuasive but as soon as religion is injected into the conversation he loses all objectiveness.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Yes, precisely. I even think the fact his fans are largely right-leaning has gradually forced him into his position of defending religion, as he would lose a significant amount of his fanbase and income if he were to identify as agnostic. He definitely has the logical reasoning skills required to arrive at an agnostic belief, "we can't know", but yet he keeps attempting to argue through deliberately obfuscated arguments, with unclear language, always ending up debating semantics by the end.
@@Martin.Hansen In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Faith is the denial of observation, and so I'll put the burden of proof on God and have him show himself to me clearly if he wants me to believe in him. If he wants me to believe in him, he should be perfectly able to make me do so if he's truly omnipotent. If I don't believe in him, it's either because he doesn't want me to, because he is not omnipotent or because he doesn't exist.
@@Martin.Hansen A Building is evidence of a builder, a painting is evidence of a painter. likewise creation (puppies, trees, animals and humans) proves there is a creator
Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God
Jordan on the ropes the whole debate
Looks that way. But debates are a spectator sport. They are not essentially a way of finding truth. So looking bad in front of an audience that favors the other guy is no big loss in my opinion.
@@piehound He looked bad because his arguments and explanations were awful. Its not a sporting event, the audience barely plays a role. Did you at any time see the camera pan to the audience?
@@itistrue101 opinion noted. It's combat using ideas expressed with words. And the audience can approve or disapprove with applause or other sounds. It's sport because there is apparently no evil intent. The only intent is to win the arguments and give a pleasing performance.
@@piehound you're about as coherent and convincing as our word salad friend Jordan is here
@@itistrue101 i'm not trying to win a popularity contest. If you're not convinced or don't like my word salad . . . that's your limitation not mine.
The new effects are good
Lmfao you don't need anything to quit smoking, just your mind of care for your health...
I love Dr.Petersons work and contribution to the world, especially us the weakned, deceived, confused, men because he helped us to build inner strength and resilience, but i also love to see how such a great individual like Jordan can be outclassed in an argument because it proves nobody is perfect and we all have work to do, truths to see and faults to admit.
It’s interesting that Dillahunty is a former fundamentalist and Peterson is kind of a former atheist.
Both are atheists. Peterson just redefines theism as including people who just think that there are hierarchies worth paying attention to.
But Dillahunty comes across as being far more genuine, despite not using as much convoluted rhetoric as Peterson.
@@riccyhandy2503 Almost no one uses as much convoluted rhetoric as Peterson. 😉
Former atheist turned full on grifter.
@@raywilkinson3129 To be fair, atheists can be grifters too.
But everything you said is 💯% correct.
They don’t call them magic mushrooms for nothing. In the lyrics of the Doors, break on through to the other side could be taken literally according to Peterson. Even though taking these types of drugs could result in a mystical experience why should there be a need for organized religion ? Doesn’t it make it irrelevant? Why do we need religion if we can have a God experience on our own without the priests and pastors?
Supernatural intervention to stop smoking?!!!! Bollocks. Once your mind "wakes up" to the fact that there is neither pleasure nor benefit to be attained from smoking you automatically "switch off" and you don't want to smoke. Both my son and I read Easy Way by Allen Carr and quit smoking there and then, without even finishing the book!
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
I want that thumbnail as a poster
This is why people like JP shrivel when they talk to anyone that is prepared to have a discussion and they simply hang out on college campuses. JP, Shapiro, Walsh and Kirk are always mocking the plea to authority while simultaneously claiming to be an authority. At least Matt says "Neither of us are the authority so stop talking like you are. If you did stop, I would not need to be here." Matt goes after the people who claim to be an authority while JP only goes after the ones who seek it.
"its kinda like evidence"
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Peterson thinks that eating hallucinogenic mushrooms is not using chemical means. Truly he is one of the great gobshites of our time. Maybe once he uttered a cogent thought, but I'm not aware if it yet.
It never happened.
The more I listen to gurus the more I realize they're full of 💩.
They have NO answers.
None.
Why be so categorical? You can say Jordan messed up badly here, and being out of his depth, but to say he knows nothing about psychology, self improvement, symbolism, art is pretty arrogant.
@@MarcusN-kp1jn Explain the difference between a priest, a psychologist or a shaman/witch doctor?
There is none.
Only a matter of degree(s).
It`s an irony that the one recalling science all the time " ... has no formal degrees and did not attend seminary ..." while the other has a PhD.
Here is something interesting: Jordan says that the situation that all of humanity sneezes to exist is to hypothetical when asked if good still exist when all humans stop to exist. But the situation is very real: There was a time (roughly 100k to 500k years ago) when there where no humans. In the same sense there will be a time where there will be no humans (I doubt that we will colonize the whole Universe, till the heat death of it and most likely by the time the sun turns into a red giant we are gone).
So I think he actually has to admit, that his god only exists as a concept.
Jordan Peterson needs a more greens in his plate…😅
Jordan was right for the first point. Can’t trust the audience’s , Matt’s intelligence after that.
Jordan Peterson is a tool. He doesn’t make any sense at all. Word salad
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 shut up you stupid religious tool
"5 epic monents" in under 10mins is impressive.
I hate it when I lose the metaphorical substrate of my ethos.
I'm not convinced that Peterson knows what the word "evidence" means.
I'm also not convinced that he knows what the word "issue" means.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
LOVED THIS 😍❤
JP is in a tough spot. He cannot all of his base happy.
JP should ve stuck to his expertise.
Unfortunately he has proven in the last few years to no longer be capable of doing that.
Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
It took the human theologians to in turn create the myth of there BEING a creator, as it is common sense that a creator could not create it's self.
And if humans go extinct ... religion ... with all its theo-illogical fear-filled tales of evil souls suffering in afterlives for eternity ... will also be instantly extinct.
It's as simple as that.
“We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
Interesting use of AE's auto rotoscope.
I think Jordan is a bit semantic. To say it polite
Or as Jordan would say "What do you mean by semantic?"
He is one of the world's biggest gobshites.
Jordan "What do you mean by gobshite?"
I've been accused of being anti-semantic.
@@AbsurdBear a good humour. I saw him postulate all atheists are liars because they have to believe. It’s childish and in family with flat earth people who says- if I can’t see it ( more like understand it) then it can’t be true
People on hallucinogens sometimes believe and are convinced they can fly. Does that make it true Jordan?
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
We would be lost if we didn’t have religion, please the world would be better off. Come on Jordon you’re a smart guy.
What about peoples who thrived without religiion....or those who used religilon to commit genocides...
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
The fuck is going on with these VFX?
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
Peterson doesn't know anything. Militant atheists quit smoking every day.
How can Jordan not know how to answer a simple question like" Would God exist if humanity didn't ". That to me says that he thinks humanity created God, not the other way around.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
If Peterson can’t answer the question how can he explain why we need God? Immediately I thought ,so God is a creation of man ? Without mankind there is no God.
@@jimmcconnell7328 You need God for forgiveness of sins
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 When a sin is committed,the deed is done and can’t be undone. According to you God intervenes and you get away with the offence. Do you say a simple prayer and everything is a clean slate. What about the person you committed a sin against? We don’t commit an offence against God it is always against another person. What did Jesus say about what was important about the commandments? Love God is the first and love your neighbour is the second. That is the problem mankind has, loving his fellowman. The first sin was in the garden of Eden but the second was Cain murdering Abel. We can do nothing about Adam and Eves sin of disobeying God. We became aware of what good and evil was and we’ve been struggling with that since the beginning. It is a choice we make for one or the other everyday of our lives. All we can do is forgive ourselves and decide not to repeat the sin but that sin still remains if we don’t receive the forgiveness of the one we offended. Anyway sorry about the long reply.
The single most important driving force of history is the intoxication and will to power; to become as gods among men. In common vernacular it's that "cult of personality." This is largely the story of history from the ancient pharaohs (claiming divine lineage) to the Caesars, and in more modern times Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc They have to compete with the most seditious words ever printed: We ought to obey God rather than man. Acts 5.22
Christians become self-directed under the inspiration of God, and when united with like-minded Christians, they have no need for the human demigods. Christians do not live as the meaningless, faceless common cattle of humanity peculiar to totalitarian power; but as Christians they become highly individualistic before God and among fellow believers with purpose and meaning to life that is much larger than the pursuit of the self. Just ask the communist of the former Soviet empire what threat this represents. The cascade of collapse started when the center of allegiance shifted from the Communist Party and to the church in Poland.
That's some high quality methamphetamine ya smokin 👍
The takeaway from this is the origin of God is mind altering substances or conditions. Period.
A Lettuce is only a Lettuce because of the metaphorical substrates that allow the Lettuce to believe in the the supernatural being because the Lettuce eats magic shrooms
took mushrooms multiple time
had mystical experiences multiple times
smoked during and after
Ever see those black hollow lifeless marble looking dead eyes on sharks
Wow. All this blah, blah, blah and still no can prove any Gods exist.
Nor that they do not exist
@@arnaldonrs7612 Or that teapot?
@@catweasle5737 arnaldoetc makes banal comeback attempts at every few comment here without taking any of his/her pseudopoints further either due to trolling or simply for lacking mature capacity, so don't bother with him/her. Tried to have an experimental fruitful back and forth previously but still remain without a promised cigar at the end.
Why does Peterson command so much attention? He doesn't deserve it.
Because he, like Shapiro, Kirk and Walsh are in direct opposition to the authorities and experts that contradict their beliefs. Then manage to claim authority while also mocking the plea to authority of the subjects others are specialists in. Proving not that they are smart, but that those who listen to them are dumb and in most cases bigoted and prejudiced.
The churches would lose money more importantly
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 🤦🏻♂️ which god are you talking about bro ?? And second you just demonstrate that god is real before making these assertions , go do some homework first kid then come back to talk to me before making yourself look like a big dummy again
“Metaphorical substrate…” there it is. Take a shot.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 bro, get a life. Threatening hell to gain followers? The absurdity of that argument is insane.
@@mmur9233 This is coming from a good place, my love for you are drops in the ocean compared to God’s love for you.
Jesus loves you and wants to save you from hell so love Him back.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 wow what a stupid response. I can love God without having God defined myopically in scriptures thousands of years old. My point is good moral people are going to burn for eternity because they were raised believing in a different diety. God sets these rules righy? If so, that Version of God is petty and evil. for someone like yourself i have zero expectation that a challenging point can land.
@@mmur9233 The wrong thinking taking billions to hell is thinking if my good outweighs bad then I am okay. A judge judges you on the crimes you have committed your good works are irrelevant. Good works only matter if you are saved.
Psalm 7: 11 God is a just judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day.
Peterson is lost in his ego. I'm done listening to him now.
‘…..the metaphoric substrate of our ethos…’. ?.?..?.?
Prattle. Gibberish.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So Pascal's wager?
@@mushroomsoup379 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, ,evil Spirits, the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Or you can stop smoking like I did 48 years ago. I smoked 3 packs a day and stopped because of the birth of my first daughter. So Jorsan Peterson has no idea of what he is talking about.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
When they were joking about throwing Sam off the stage. Maybe that could mean that Matt took Sam's place in some event that JP was aware of. Maybe even this event.
Speculating, but that could explain why JP was in such a bad mood in this conversation. But some of that is just Matt being arrogant and annoying.
Matt was being hella reasonable tho. It was a respectful conversation from both sides.
@@Zazacollector I think Matt was being unnecessarily snarky in many parts (but that might just be how he rolls), and JP was just in a bad mood and got angry in parts which was awkward.
They also had respectful moments and they joked around and got along. So maybe I am being a bit too negative. But I think this discussion was too antagonistic to enjoy for the most part.
@@vege4920 because JP is an arrogant narcissist who has no ideas of his own. He sits on the shoulders of others ideas. IT is why he can articulate the subject but cannot explain nuance.
@@SophiaAphrodite When you read someone deep, you will find out that you had no ideas of your own. Everything worth saying has been said better already.
Everyone sits on the shoulders of others ideas. Ultimate geniuses from Aristotle to Nietzsche built their ideas on previous ideas. JP is no exception.
You should worry about your own arrogance and narcissism.
Dillahunty believes men can become women just by declaring it in their head 😂😂😂😂
Do we not declare most things about ourselves from our "own head"
I'm going to agree with Helen here.
@@helenhettinger-hayes Not biological facts about ourselves, no.
Nobody declares their ‘identifying height’ as 7’3” but their biological height as 5’8”. And if they did, we would quite rightly ridicule them.
@@helenhettinger-hayes You can declare anything you like, doesn't make it true, and doesn't mean that everyone around you has to pretend like they also believe a false claim about yourself is true... That's the problem. Anyone can say anything about themselves, and everyone has to play along? What about truth? Everyone has to abandon truth in order to what ... Not hurt feelings? Has this ever stopped Matt when talking to the religious and their beliefs?
Does he really? I've never heard of the guy, just stumbled upon this. I'm trying to make sense of the conflict of narratives in this channels comments. Is the bald guy an anti-biology woke fool talking to a woke idiot crowd through this channel or does he have valid points?
Blurry image making me blind. You dont need to believe in God you just need to believe in no thing. Those who lived in comfort will never understand a single thing but themselves. Play until the end nothing changes only articulated words. Once you reach the pinnacles of knowledge it is absolute silence and the only thing you can do is to protect it.
You are really bad with words...
@@eleminatus You are right, being a good person in a confused world is helpful. Don't ask me how long
@@eleminatus yes, I am not American. I learned english by reading and using my ears. The truth is social media owns everything and I'm just leaving a message to absurb it that one day the system will understand it.
Matts boots.. f. H
"What would you lose if people stopped believing in the existence of God?" The possibility of life after death, the possibility of a better place after death than a worse one, if there was life after death, and the possibility of a better life in the current one, if the moral decline in today's society is a consequence of throwing God and his ways out of the picture. That is just the idea of God, though given the proof that God is real, that says what he means and does what he says, then that presents another consequence if one were not to heed what this God has to say that may have far lasting ramifications beyond the life we live today.
Funny that we live in the safest time ever.
Quantify "moral decline".
Please provide proof that god is real, since you say you have it, and can have any direct effect on our world..
Not having a god would not automatically mean there could be no life after death.
@@ziploc2000 Take promiscuity and bonding, marriage, etc. The ability to bond with a partner is reduced for females with more sexual partners they have. So, clear case where modernity is far worse than tradition. (From an atheist.)
I was not debating the case of proof, I was giving the 'possibility,' the hypophetical argument for God. Even though the proof of an intelligent designer is all around us. @@ziploc2000
Safety is relative; a nightmare of a time on the planet for some, peace for others, depending on circumstance. Nothing new under the sun actually.@@Dr.exsack
Let me preface this: Matt was one of the people that made me realize I was an atheist. I learned a lot from him. However, I can’t help but feel he’s suffered brain rot from the woke movement. You CAN be an atheist, and at the same time understand how essential religion is for a society as a whole. Religion will never go away. So it’s up to us to pick the lesser of evils. Judaism and Christianity check the boxes
@Ithaca-vv5dy .... 'I am an atheist but....' society needs religion because all those OTHER PEOPLE are not as intelligent and wonderful as I am .... sounds kind of elitist (and this is not my personal observation of your argument this is a common response - see Alex O'Connor discussion with Richard Dawkins where this very topic is discussed)
100% And it's strange that you can be an atheist regarding god, but not towards this new religion. He can tell that a fictional character is not real, but if someone claims to be something they are not, because of the need to be PC or I don't know what, virtue signaling, then the entire world needs to play along and pretend like it's real. For what? Claim that the opposite would cause harm? Isn't he causing the same type of harm when he rebuts religious nonsense?
@@RalphJBater yes. Sorry, it might hurt feelings, but yes. There are less intelligent people and I think religious TRADITION is very very important to them. It is up to us to determine which one they subscribe to
@@RalphJBater That may be very well fact. As George Carlin so eloquently said: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.". It's sad to say but so many people don't have the required mental faculty to become an atheist, not to mention that with childhood indoctrination, you're fighting against human nature on so many levels. How many took my last sentence as evidence of god?
Seriously, atheism may seem obvious, but apparently, god has not given the average, nor the majority of humans, the faculties to realize that he is not real.
What utter nonsense, large chunks of society even in the USA function perfectly well without pretending to believe in an invisible magic sky wizard. In other countries religion is dying out very rapidly.
We need to dump superstition as quickly as we can ween people away from it in order to progress.
If you think religion is indispensable explain why.
Pangburn i like your cuts
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
So glad Matt exposed this idiot
As much as JP is a prick. He is not an idiot. HE is a scholar who has managed to articulate everyone elses ideas while having none of his own while making you think HE thought of it. That is pretty smart, even if insidious.
I took a random 10 minute segment of that debate and counted how many times each made an "I/me/my" statement. MD did so 48 times or about once every 20 seconds. JP, who just recently interviewed Benjamin Netanyahu, 3 presidential candidates, plus some Nobel prize winners wanted to talk about the topics. MD who recently interviewed Alex from Hattiesburg and Chris from Oxnard was all "me, me, me." MD crafts arguments like a smart 13 year old with raging hormones..
Dillahunty merely points out a personal approach on how to solve a question and can refer to the objective reality that's in concordance with his view regardless what others would want it to be, which is the main point when discussing facts. Broadly referring to "many" or "a lot" without specifying who or which ones make the claim is but a diversion from responsibility thus a non sequitur as it gives nothing of substance to find out whether it stands up to scrutiny or not. Descending to ad hominems reveal the interlocutor has run out of solid arguments supporting their assertions. Where you fit in is obvious.
This is how you destroy someone who claims to be an authority when they have no evidence of it. An authority will say YOU while someone challenging that authority will say I. This dismantles JPs narcissism and claim of authority on these subjects. JP has no personal experiences to draw from. It is all what he has read and taken from others. You are just upset JP looks like a toddler when the other person does not recognize his authority. MD has actual life experience, JP merely cites ( and in many cases lies about ) everyone elses.
god is existence, science is god, the physical world is god, physical world, god is the universe, if you exist than your proof of god
Leave the substances alone.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You drunk? Or on psychotropics? A troll most likely.
Prove it.
@@SophiaAphrodite existence is proof done next
Jordan doesn't understand science.
"it's not defintive proof"
It's not proof at all. The fact that you felt something supernatural acting in your favor doesn't prove said supernatural entity exists. Just like the fact that Bach thought God inspired him to make his music in no way is evidence of God existing.
When I clicked the poll that sent me here, it was 56/44 in Matt's favour. I've seen the full debate a few times over the years and, while both men made cogent points throughout, only JP descended into the realm of the risible.
IT should be noted. JP cites everyone elses experience while MD merely cites his own.
When Matt says there’s some things we should keep and others we should not keep… omg the arrogance of wanting to decide for the world. So glad he’ll always be powerless except over violent adolescents.
He's not saying he should be able to arbitrarily decide for the entirety of humanity. Rather that there are good and bad parts, and we should keep the good ones and drop the bad ones.
Not sure Matt intended that it would be his unilateral decision.
So Matt has proposed a reasonable mechanism to delete what he doesn’t like in other people?
@@NJ-ju8fr not specifically, likely secular morality, liberty, human rights, etc.
Society would make that choice. Just as Christianity said it was okay to burn witches and have slaves, society decide no, that those things were evil and should stop. It all starts with conversations like these and in these comments sections.
My god, i keep looking at these comments and i don't know if i find funny, surprising, enraging or simply sad how you people simply make a effort in not understand Jordan's point
Jordan Peterson dont understand himself....
You try opening up his word salad for us then.
@@patriklindholm7576 Give me a example of a actual quote "word salad" of his and I'll try to translate to your brainrot internet language
@@arnaldonrs7612 You do realize an ad hominem merely reveals the interlocutor's well of subjectively considered solid arguments has prematurely run dry?
@@patriklindholm7576 The difference is that I'm not just using ad hominem, but also adding a actual argument on top of it. Ad hominem is just the cherry on top
More specifically this case, accepting your challenge, so how's it going to be?
Never argue with an idiot (Petersen), he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 you again? get a life