I like this mat a lot. I had the ZIgZag Slumber Pro and have used it at minus 7 Celsius ( 19.4 F ) in combination with a Therm-a-rest Trail Lite mat. It worked very well, I didn't feel any cold from the ground. I also used the ZigZag Slumber Pro by itself in subzero conditions, and again, I wasn't cold at all. The only downside of the Pro, imo, is that it's a bit bulky. But for the price, weight and performance, you can't go wrong with this pad. I would choose the Robens ZigZag over the similar, yet more expensive, mats of other brands.
Hey, thanks for sharing your experiences with this mat and the pro version. It's great to hear that it works for you! I don't use foam pads very often, and I was looking for something that would do a good job at a good price. This pad fit the bill - it's good enough to use on its own in the summer, and I've used it under my X-Lite in colder temperatures. For my needs, it works really well.
Re. the R-values: On Roben's Zigzag Slumber product page, there's a picture saying "R-VALUE 2.2 Tested after EN12667". Which is a bit unfortunate since (most of) the sleeping mat manufacturers moved on to using the ASTM FF3340-18 standard in 2020 (a major advantage of this move from a consumer point of view was that R-values betw. manufacturers became comparable). The R-value of Z-lite Sol is 2.0 according to ASTM FF3340-18 and was 2.6 pre-ASTM FF3340-18.
Well I got hyped up for a second, mostly for more compact packed sizes. I will keep my TREK100 from decathlon is basically a 50g lighter Z-lite sol at only 15 euros. On a side note: wish the Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest wasn't discontinued, yes very bulky but an R of 3.5 for an inexpensive 540g foam pad which was also confortable, what a pieace of gear!
It is impressive! I have used the "ZigZag Slumber Wide" for a while (same, but 57 cm wide instead of 48 cm) and it is decently comfortable. I have gotten Robens latest one though, but I haven't used it yet, the "ZigZag Slumber Pro" - 60 cm wide, 192 cm long and 2.8 cm thick! It really is a heavy duty one, even though it's kinda bulky when packed (60*15*16 cm) and heavier (620 g), but still just ~£30. But I'm looking forward to try it out, I prefer just throwing the pad out in the tent instead of using all the time and energy to inflate one.
Hey, glad you like yours, they are really great value compared to others for sure. And you're right - just throwing the mat out and folding it up in seconds is a real bonus!
Hello @@PaulandaPack , thank you for this nice review! ➡Did you check the weight of this item yourself? A weight of 286g seems to be very low (and promising), and I would like to be sure of this value. I already own a foldable foam pad (Decathlon Forclaz MT500 weighed at 362g). So I want to be sure that I will earn 76g before to buy the Robens Zigzag Slumber. 😀 But I have no way to verify its weight before to buy here... 😭 Thank you very much for your answer Paul. 🏕
Robens make some great value gear. Snowshoeing in the Pyrenees I used Hilleberg snowpegs that now cost a wopping £90 per set. Robens snowpegs which as far as can see are identical, cost only £7 per set. 👍
I can cut that mat back a couple of sections at least and get it under 200 grms . I dont need bottom half as I lay that on the backpack .Fed up with airbeds turning over on the very very slippy neo air x light is a right pain .I don t even find them comfy.I used a Karrimat for many years and never found a problem. My bed at home is very very firm anyway . My back prefers something more solid..so I m trying the Robens .Thanks
Paul , I have a neo air x lite .How did you get on using the Robens in comparison to the Neo air .. I found mine very very slippy on my tent floor .Every time I moved, that thing moved.turning over was a pain as the whole bag and mattress slid around . It may have been comfy but i did nt end up getting to sleep and getting out of the tent for a 3 pm wizz was awful . This Robens has to be better.. Its about £18 now..still a bargain
I found the Robens didn't move around but being a foam mat it was obviously more rigid feeling. Personally I'd only use it on short trips in warmer months, I prefer the comfort of my X-Lite, although as you say, it can slide a little on the tent floor.
Well, a cut in price and a cut in weight often comes with a cut in quality imo. I've had lighter and cheaper stuff like that in my bag and in the field it lacks isolation. Wouldn't put too much trust into such products - only in the summer season, but not for colder seasons, combined with other stuff.
Yeah, I used it on the Wolds Way recently. It was only 2 nights but I was happy with it. It wouldn't be my choice for longer hikes - I prefer more comfort on longer trails, but I'd be happy taking it on shorter trips. I was plenty warm enough on it. The size was fine for me (6ft tall). I did feel lumps and bumps more through it, but that's expected when compared to an inflatable mat.
I should have been clearer in the video, sorry. It's not a review. It's a comparison with the Z-Lite. I wanted something that I could take on shorter trips, in warm weather, when my X-Lite would have been overkill. I was going to buy a Z-Lite, until I saw they were £50. For something that I wouldn't use that often, I thought that was a bit daft, so looked for an alternative. I should probably do a follow up video to clarify things and say how I've found the pad now that I've used it.
I said it was worth checking out as an alternative to the Thermarest Z Lite Sol. That's completely different to saying 'I recommend this product'. Perhaps you should watch a few more product comparison videos so you can understand their purpose before posting any more comments.
I like this mat a lot. I had the ZIgZag Slumber Pro and have used it at minus 7 Celsius ( 19.4 F ) in combination with a Therm-a-rest Trail Lite mat. It worked very well, I didn't feel any cold from the ground. I also used the ZigZag Slumber Pro by itself in subzero conditions, and again, I wasn't cold at all. The only downside of the Pro, imo, is that it's a bit bulky. But for the price, weight and performance, you can't go wrong with this pad. I would choose the Robens ZigZag over the similar, yet more expensive, mats of other brands.
Hey, thanks for sharing your experiences with this mat and the pro version. It's great to hear that it works for you!
I don't use foam pads very often, and I was looking for something that would do a good job at a good price. This pad fit the bill - it's good enough to use on its own in the summer, and I've used it under my X-Lite in colder temperatures. For my needs, it works really well.
Just ordered one based on your review. Thanks for the heads up.
No worries, hope it works well for you! 👍
Re. the R-values: On Roben's Zigzag Slumber product page, there's a picture saying "R-VALUE 2.2 Tested after EN12667". Which is a bit unfortunate since (most of) the sleeping mat manufacturers moved on to using the ASTM FF3340-18 standard in 2020 (a major advantage of this move from a consumer point of view was that R-values betw. manufacturers became comparable).
The R-value of Z-lite Sol is 2.0 according to ASTM FF3340-18 and was 2.6 pre-ASTM FF3340-18.
Thanks for pointing that out. I knew the system had changed but didn't realise that Robens were still quoting from the older system.
Well I got hyped up for a second, mostly for more compact packed sizes. I will keep my TREK100 from decathlon is basically a 50g lighter Z-lite sol at only 15 euros.
On a side note: wish the Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest wasn't discontinued, yes very bulky but an R of 3.5 for an inexpensive 540g foam pad which was also confortable, what a pieace of gear!
It is impressive! I have used the "ZigZag Slumber Wide" for a while (same, but 57 cm wide instead of 48 cm) and it is decently comfortable. I have gotten Robens latest one though, but I haven't used it yet, the "ZigZag Slumber Pro" - 60 cm wide, 192 cm long and 2.8 cm thick! It really is a heavy duty one, even though it's kinda bulky when packed (60*15*16 cm) and heavier (620 g), but still just ~£30. But I'm looking forward to try it out, I prefer just throwing the pad out in the tent instead of using all the time and energy to inflate one.
Hey, glad you like yours, they are really great value compared to others for sure. And you're right - just throwing the mat out and folding it up in seconds is a real bonus!
Hello @@PaulandaPack , thank you for this nice review!
➡Did you check the weight of this item yourself? A weight of 286g seems to be very low (and promising), and I would like to be sure of this value.
I already own a foldable foam pad (Decathlon Forclaz MT500 weighed at 362g). So I want to be sure that I will earn 76g before to buy the Robens Zigzag Slumber. 😀 But I have no way to verify its weight before to buy here... 😭
Thank you very much for your answer Paul. 🏕
@@cm4340 Hi, yes, I did check the weight myself 👍
Robens make some great value gear. Snowshoeing in the Pyrenees I used Hilleberg snowpegs that now cost a wopping £90 per set. Robens snowpegs which as far as can see are identical, cost only £7 per set. 👍
Bargain! I'll have to make time to have a look at what else they do.
I can cut that mat back a couple of sections at least and get it under 200 grms . I dont need bottom half as I lay that on the backpack .Fed up with airbeds turning over on the very very slippy neo air x light is a right pain .I don t even find them comfy.I used a Karrimat for many years and never found a problem. My bed at home is very very firm anyway . My back prefers something more solid..so I m trying the Robens .Thanks
Thanks Stuart, sounds like it might work well for you - hope it works out!
are these thermarest pads better than the no brand foam pads? if yes why?
Paul , I have a neo air x lite .How did you get on using the Robens in comparison to the Neo air .. I found mine very very slippy on my tent floor .Every time I moved, that thing moved.turning over was a pain as the whole bag and mattress slid around . It may have been comfy but i did nt end up getting to sleep and getting out of the tent for a 3 pm wizz was awful . This Robens has to be better.. Its about £18 now..still a bargain
I found the Robens didn't move around but being a foam mat it was obviously more rigid feeling. Personally I'd only use it on short trips in warmer months, I prefer the comfort of my X-Lite, although as you say, it can slide a little on the tent floor.
Well, a cut in price and a cut in weight often comes with a cut in quality imo.
I've had lighter and cheaper stuff like that in my bag and in the field it lacks isolation.
Wouldn't put too much trust into such products - only in the summer season, but not for colder seasons, combined with other stuff.
how comfortable is it after testing it?
I'm happy to take it on 1, 2 or 3 night trips in Summer, but I wouldn't want to use it (on it's own) for longer hikes or in colder temperatures.
Have you tried it yet? I’m curious to know how it performs.
Yeah, I used it on the Wolds Way recently. It was only 2 nights but I was happy with it. It wouldn't be my choice for longer hikes - I prefer more comfort on longer trails, but I'd be happy taking it on shorter trips. I was plenty warm enough on it. The size was fine for me (6ft tall). I did feel lumps and bumps more through it, but that's expected when compared to an inflatable mat.
@@PaulandaPack I was thinking more of using it with an inflatable mattress on top of it for extra warmth
Ahhh OK, think it would do pretty well in that role.
so you made a review before you even slept on it?
I should have been clearer in the video, sorry.
It's not a review. It's a comparison with the Z-Lite.
I wanted something that I could take on shorter trips, in warm weather, when my X-Lite would have been overkill. I was going to buy a Z-Lite, until I saw they were £50. For something that I wouldn't use that often, I thought that was a bit daft, so looked for an alternative.
I should probably do a follow up video to clarify things and say how I've found the pad now that I've used it.
How can you recommend a product if you haven’t even used it Einstein
I said it was worth checking out as an alternative to the Thermarest Z Lite Sol. That's completely different to saying 'I recommend this product'. Perhaps you should watch a few more product comparison videos so you can understand their purpose before posting any more comments.
No need to be so rude.