Where Boston Stereotypes Come From

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    Boston movies reinforce stereotypes about the city. But where did those stereotypes come from, and how are they prevalent in almost every Boston movie? Let’s take a look at movies that take place in Boston and see what they have in common. Sounds wicked.
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  • @saucy7780
    @saucy7780 4 роки тому +2325

    Not gonna lie all Irish flags and imagery in most of the shots blew my mind. Never even realized that before. Awesome video

    • @Dinkledorf98
      @Dinkledorf98 4 роки тому +35

      I am from Boston and I thought that it was just an authentic set

    • @rickyhunt4075
      @rickyhunt4075 4 роки тому +19

      Yea me too I've watched Good Will Hunting a number of times and never noticed the color scheme or the Irish Flag in Wills house.

    • @Obrienjob98
      @Obrienjob98 4 роки тому +1

      Funny as I'm in Boston for the summer

    • @EarlHare
      @EarlHare 4 роки тому +25

      Just goes to show how much work ACTUALLY goes into each and every shot of a movie.

    • @613and802
      @613and802 4 роки тому +5

      @@Dinkledorf98 Yeah there are some reaches in this video. A shamrock in an Irish bar isn't symbolism, and the same goes for an American flag in a courtroom.

  • @What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names
    @What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names 4 роки тому +1870

    “It’s like a less gay and more racist San Fransisco” - bill burr, paraphrase

    • @kevrywhere
      @kevrywhere 4 роки тому +79

      I think he said "It's like San Francisco but with the N word".

    • @notsure6187
      @notsure6187 4 роки тому +68

      maybe. but Bostons still pretty gay and San Fran is pretty racist.

    • @jjmblue7
      @jjmblue7 4 роки тому +32

      @@notsure6187 Nah, Provincetown is hoarding most of the gay, especially during summer.

    • @harrylane4
      @harrylane4 4 роки тому +13

      @@notsure6187 boston (people not the city) is pretty anti gay in my experience tbh

    • @hrvsmart
      @hrvsmart 4 роки тому +16

      And less shit and needles in the streets

  • @JDurkin2811
    @JDurkin2811 4 роки тому +411

    "Where do Boston stereotypes come from?"
    Boston *roll credits*

    • @vaquita4857
      @vaquita4857 4 роки тому +2

      Aburcy loarcudi abric

    • @tds42099
      @tds42099 4 роки тому +5

      I clicked on this video for this comment lol

    • @Tinymoezzy
      @Tinymoezzy 2 роки тому +1

      This is the perfect comment.

  • @christopheryoungs4642
    @christopheryoungs4642 4 роки тому +520

    Haaaa this guy called the T the subway. What a charactah.

    • @ObitoSigma
      @ObitoSigma 4 роки тому +9

      I just call it the Red Line even if I'm traveling on the Community Rail or Silver Line or whatever because every single one of my commutes begins or ends at a Red Line stop.

    • @ne2604
      @ne2604 4 роки тому +2

      Obito Sigma kinda weird but ight

    • @olivejuice5718
      @olivejuice5718 4 роки тому

      Natalia Edwards That’s what it’s called

    • @dominicsampson8215
      @dominicsampson8215 4 роки тому +2

      Seriously that sounded weird to hear

    • @ne2604
      @ne2604 4 роки тому +2

      Olive juice no its not. not all lines are the red line

  • @brionosullivan1992
    @brionosullivan1992 4 роки тому +1029

    Weird I’m Irish (as in actually born and raised in Ireland) and I never noticed the Irish symbolism in good will hunting. To me they were just rich and poor Americans.

    • @jerrysmooth24
      @jerrysmooth24 4 роки тому +236

      i dont think you need to convince people your irish considering you have the most irish name since st patrick o'carbomb

    • @brendansmith5529
      @brendansmith5529 4 роки тому +80

      Yeah man you’d be surprised how strong the Irish identity is here in Northeast cities like Boston and New York. Honestly I noticed all that Irish stuff but I didn’t even see it as symbolism- frankly, that’s just what Boson looks like most of the time.

    • @AdmiralAwesome111
      @AdmiralAwesome111 4 роки тому +5

      @@Udontkno7 Now You See It

    • @rhabdob3895
      @rhabdob3895 4 роки тому +1

      They are, paddy. They are.

    • @DeathShouldTakeMeNow
      @DeathShouldTakeMeNow 4 роки тому +31

      @@brendansmith5529 Its like here in LA with the chicanos who idolize Mexico and fly the flag with pride and do it everywhere, but meanwhile in actual Mexico nobody really cares. Over there its more of what region, state, or class you come from, or if you're an "indio" or have lighter skin in places like Mexico City.

  • @Alec.V.
    @Alec.V. 4 роки тому +208

    As a Bostonian, I see it as one of those cities where it’s technically famous, but no one ever really talks about ut.

    • @Sebastian-yx8oy
      @Sebastian-yx8oy 4 роки тому +5

      facts

    • @iceberghoney
      @iceberghoney 3 роки тому +2

      So true, and it's a shame! One of the coolest cities in the country, in my opinion :)

    • @boredbrother6676
      @boredbrother6676 3 роки тому +5

      @@iceberghoney no, it’s the f**k best!👍

    • @iceberghoney
      @iceberghoney 3 роки тому +2

      @@boredbrother6676 you're so right haha

    • @boredbrother6676
      @boredbrother6676 3 роки тому +1

      @@iceberghoney I too am a bostonian,so of course I know which is the best state out of them all! Plus SOMEONE made scp-4006.

  • @Julika7
    @Julika7 4 роки тому +520

    Wow, I've not noticed the "southy" dilemma in Good Will Hunting. But I'm from Germany, so this wasn't clear to me.

    • @Flatcetera
      @Flatcetera 4 роки тому

      I haven’t seen that alex day thingy in so long holy shit I just had a time trip

    • @FullContactCA
      @FullContactCA 4 роки тому +19

      *Southie

    • @desertrose0601
      @desertrose0601 4 роки тому +11

      Pretty sure that was the entire plot though. A poor kid from the poor side of town who couldn’t afford college but was really smart.

    • @jacksonhazeltine9291
      @jacksonhazeltine9291 4 роки тому +7

      desertrose0601 “Wicked Smaht!”

    • @Julika7
      @Julika7 4 роки тому +18

      @@desertrose0601 It seems I watched a totally different film. For me it was about Will's inner fights, his abuse, his self-doubt, the missing parental figures, the opening up to the psychologist.

  • @shadysam8879
    @shadysam8879 4 роки тому +538

    As a man who has lived in boston his entire life, I can say that all the movie stereotypes are confined into like 3 neighborhoods in reality. The people from southie who act like the pricks you see in movies are generally the middle aged drunks. Younger people are generally more chill. But we almost all have a huge amount of love for the city. And I hate the boston accent thing. We dont all sound like that, and most people who have that accent dont have it as strong as movies show.

    • @z-beeblebrox
      @z-beeblebrox 4 роки тому +73

      I think in general, the population of people with urban regional accents has been slowly decreasing in America, in favor of the nonregional accent. There will eventually come a day when all regional urban accents in movies will be nothing but fictional references to the past, just like the Southie-Cambridge conflict examined in the video

    • @peterorsmond2624
      @peterorsmond2624 4 роки тому +52

      I also grew up in Boston...and it is a rare day indeed when I hear a truly distinct Boston accent

    • @emmaforde3745
      @emmaforde3745 4 роки тому +28

      My grandparents are from Dorchester and have thick accents while none of my cousins or siblings have anywhere near a Boston accent

    • @Jobbazz
      @Jobbazz 4 роки тому +30

      z beeblebrox It’s the same in every country. I’m from Dublin and more and more people especially the young are getting a similar accent even if born into different classes. You’ll only hear heavy Dublin accents in old boozers in town these days from auld fellas

    • @itsanit123
      @itsanit123 4 роки тому +5

      ClockworkAlex yeah I lived there for a few years, and there was way less of a divide, lots of local guys in Harvard actually now, and more hanging out in the same places, like bars downtown around Fenway. New York is way more divided now.

  • @cynicaldrummer286
    @cynicaldrummer286 4 роки тому +269

    I'm always so fascinated with these video and all the little things i miss during the film but once recognised it very obvious

  • @Asocial-Canine
    @Asocial-Canine 4 роки тому +253

    Something ironic about using the Irish flag to represent Irish Catholics is that its design actually represents the overall conflict between them and the British Protestants. The green represents the southern Republicans, the orange the Ulster Unionists, and the white implies a possible union between the two in a United Ireland. The Famine disproportionately affected the rural Catholics of the West, which led to the immigration to areas like Boston, and a similar dynamic to form between them and the Protestants there. So flying the tricolour in the name of an "us" against a "them" really misses the whole point of it. Then again, it's also the flag of the Republic, and not the entire island, so maybe it's apt.
    Source: I got like a C in Junior Cert History

    • @sarahlilliancullen
      @sarahlilliancullen 4 роки тому +11

      I always think about this when they burn the tricolour up north

    • @TheKavo97
      @TheKavo97 4 роки тому +1

      Free state flag is not the real thing mo chara

    • @Asocial-Canine
      @Asocial-Canine 4 роки тому

      @@TheKavo97 are you talking about the tricolour? Because I said it wasn't the flag of the island of Ireland

    • @Asocial-Canine
      @Asocial-Canine 4 роки тому +2

      @PF G I mean, it's South of the North

    • @wvu05
      @wvu05 4 роки тому +2

      I found that out at one point hearing someone talk in a restaurant. A few years later, I forgot it was St. Patrick's Day and wore an orange shirt to work. Someone asked me why, and I paused for a second and said, "I'm Protestant." Good thing I wasn't in Fishtown in Philly when that happened.

  • @owleyes4678
    @owleyes4678 4 роки тому +130

    As someone from Boston, I always find stereotypes like this fascinating particularly when it comes to accents. Bostonians and people from Cambridge both have distinct accents, but 90% of the people in those areas don't have any accent at all. Most of the people with those stereotypical accents are older (all the people I've met with those types of accents are older- 60+). I also think that it's interesting that other Boston neighborhoods outside Southie don't really get represented. Boston has a massive Italian American section as well called the North End that is prominent in the city that we never see on screen.

    • @cmdrfelix1286
      @cmdrfelix1286 4 роки тому +20

      Thank you! I always notice how the Italian population is ignored with Boston. It's always the Italians in New York/Jersey and Irish in Boston. I have also noticed the accent is stronger in the suburbs (my family is from the north shore and it is STRONG).

    • @JohnKruse
      @JohnKruse 4 роки тому +8

      The Italians in Boston are like the Irish in that they moved up and moved out of many of their traditional neighborhoods. We used to go to Italian mass in the North End at Easter and Christmas. No one under age 50 could speak Italian. The North End is yuppies, recent college grads, and very old Italians.

    • @pbuckets9242
      @pbuckets9242 4 роки тому +1

      Is the Irish curse real like do people really think that?

    • @sandrap.6530
      @sandrap.6530 3 роки тому +1

      Same with the South. Southern accents are mostly coming from age 60+ residents - mostly rural. Big southern cities & the under age 50 have no southern accent.

    • @billvill61
      @billvill61 3 роки тому +1

      @@cmdrfelix1286 ...and nearly absent in the Western suburbs. SUPER strong as you go south down 24, in Taunton, Brockton reaching an almost meshing of NY and Boston accents in the Eastern Providence suburbs.

  • @CaiominTwin
    @CaiominTwin 4 роки тому +29

    liked this a lot but left unexamined is the fact that Damon and Affleck grew up in Cambridge, which makes their portrayal of Cambridge v. Southie that much more fascinating.

  • @thomasleonard8789
    @thomasleonard8789 4 роки тому +88

    @6:51 "the camera starts south of Boston" ... brother that is from the bunker hill memorial looking south at Boston.

    • @roxxylala26
      @roxxylala26 4 роки тому

      When he says the camera starts south of Boston, what he's talking about is A SCENE in the movie "THE TOWN" which THE MOVIE takes place in Charlestown. That's why there's a shot hovering over the Bunker Hill monument.

    • @thomasleonard8789
      @thomasleonard8789 4 роки тому +2

      @@roxxylala26 If that is indeed the explanation it is still a very questionable production decision, especially in a video that is attempting to educate. He's showing a completely unrelated visual when previously all narration had specifically pertained to the visuals on screen. You wouldn't presuppose that the audience is familiar enough with all Boston movies to make this leap with you "Oh, now he's just talking about something else and showing 'B-roll'"

    • @roxxylala26
      @roxxylala26 4 роки тому

      @@thomasleonard8789 I will have say that I do concur with your assessment on it being a little confusing in regards to the narration & the visual matchingl in that specific spot in the video. But if you would've replayed it AGAIN, he does refer to "THE TOWN" at the same time showing the Bunker Hill monument. BUT talking about a SCENE in that movie that starts of south of Boston & ends in Cambridge. You could've easily googled "The Town" & your confusion would've been solved. No biggie, a real Bostonian showed you the way. Good day

  • @TannerLB54
    @TannerLB54 4 роки тому +178

    6:53 that’s not south of Boston. That’s Charlestown. South Boston’s not even in the shot

    • @rosethesinger
      @rosethesinger 4 роки тому +5

      michael Garrity I was thinking the same thing lol

    • @leopaul4955
      @leopaul4955 4 роки тому +1

      The shot of the L street tavern was real. I've never been inside so can't vouch for it's authenticity.

    • @TannerLB54
      @TannerLB54 4 роки тому

      Ken Hudson I don’t know. Some of his landmarks are off to fit his argument I believe

    • @chrisbullock3504
      @chrisbullock3504 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah he doesn’t really make a distinction as Boston/ charlestown and southie

    • @ronhanisco8697
      @ronhanisco8697 4 роки тому +3

      I was gonna say that too. They're looking at the Zakim right at the Garden. From C-town.

  • @THEBIGLIE20
    @THEBIGLIE20 4 роки тому +103

    Will Hunting could never afford to live in today’s Southie! He’d be going West to survive

    • @Ragon_Reel
      @Ragon_Reel 4 роки тому +9

      Thomas Casey
      Yarr he’d be in Lowell, Haverhill, or Billerica

    • @TB-lj1uf
      @TB-lj1uf 4 роки тому +6

      None of those places are cheap either lol

    • @billvill61
      @billvill61 3 роки тому +4

      It's yuppie town, now. During the Big Dig, we had an office right on Dorchester Ave., surrounded by smaller industry and the projects. That's the Southie I see in Good Will Hunting.

    • @LongLeggedOne
      @LongLeggedOne 3 роки тому

      The deep south also.. like im gonna have to do.

    • @LongLeggedOne
      @LongLeggedOne 3 роки тому

      @@Ragon_Reel

  • @kennethchan2803
    @kennethchan2803 4 роки тому +47

    Dunkin Donuts is from Quincy, MA, which is close to Boston.

    • @the__gatz962
      @the__gatz962 4 роки тому +14

      Kenneth Chan Yeah, i live in Quincy actually. These days we are considered “Greater Boston” but really Anything the T touches is BOSTON. Commuter Rail doesnt count though when using that rule

    • @roxxylala26
      @roxxylala26 4 роки тому

      What? Quincy is not that close to Boston.

    • @the__gatz962
      @the__gatz962 4 роки тому +11

      roxxylala26 its right over the bridge from dorchester which is literally BOSTON lol

    • @roxxylala26
      @roxxylala26 4 роки тому

      @@the__gatz962 My bad, I guess your right, in regarding Dot as part of being part of "Boston". As a long time resident of Massachusetts I never did since Cambridge isn't. I associate the South End, South Boston, Downtown, Beacon Hill, North End etc as Boston not Dorchester. But I stand corrected.

    • @WhatsCookingTime
      @WhatsCookingTime 4 роки тому +1

      @@the__gatz962 exactly funny you say that . i moved down the south shore for a few years to save some money and reopen a business now i am working on moving back to somerville. i get these realtors calling me back with places on the commutter rail. im like first of all I said somerville. but you can take the train? WHAT I HAVE A GREAT PLACE IN WOBURN OR STONEHAM nooooooooo! i said i would consider other areas on the T that means the subway lol

  • @derickrisner2126
    @derickrisner2126 4 роки тому +62

    My maternal grandparents both grew up in Sommerville, which is just North of Cambridge. This was in the 1930s and 40s. The were both Catholic (Grandmother Irish, Grandfather Portuguese), both lived in lower middle-class families. When they were married in 1953 they lived in Roxbury, Rockland and a few other places before settling in Needham (about 15 miles South-West of Boston) in 1967 (same year the Red Sox went to the World Series). They lived there ever since, though my grandmother died a few years ago.
    Irish Catholic families are BIG. My mom has over 40 1st cousins just on her mom's side of the family. I don't think I have a single relative that lives in South Boston (Southie). Most live in the suburbs South of Boston such as Hull, Cohasset, Weymouth, even on Cape Cod or they moved out of state.
    North of Boston isn't just the elite. Even parts of Cambridge are lower-class. Boston also has a huge influx of students from all over. Most of the people I know that live in Boston are not originally from Boston.
    The days of Irish being the "lower class" are long gone, though some may still feel that way. I think we put a lot of this "Underdog" mentality into our sports teams, especially the Red Sox. Until 2004 no one alive had seen them win the World Series and they always lost to the Yankees. I didn't think of it at the time but the Red Sox in the early 2000's liked to portray themselves as a scrappy, messy team who never shaved or got a hair cut. The Yankees were the opposite, clean shaven, high-class talent (expensive). I think a lot of it may have been a call back to the old Elite/Lower Class dynamic. Winning World Series and Super Bowls hasn't changed the fact that we are always the underdog from little Old Boston.
    Great video. Made me think about my roots more.

    • @questionmark1152
      @questionmark1152 4 роки тому +1

      If ya didn't know...Somerville is for the richhhhh now. & it's full of us Catholic Portagees!!!

    • @dontask7445
      @dontask7445 4 роки тому

      Tons of working class Portuguese in Somerville. I'm one of them.

    • @anthonyciaramitaro6126
      @anthonyciaramitaro6126 4 роки тому +1

      are you sure your from boston? Red sox won the world series 5 times before 2004...1903,1912,1915.1916,and 1918

    • @dontask7445
      @dontask7445 4 роки тому

      @@anthonyciaramitaro6126 Yeah I was gonna call him out on that too

    • @derickrisner2126
      @derickrisner2126 4 роки тому +1

      @@anthonyciaramitaro6126 I meant I (or really anyone still alive) had never seen them win the World Series. I should have been more clear about that.

  • @michaelbecker621
    @michaelbecker621 4 роки тому +17

    This was one of the smoothest transitions to an ad I've seen in a video

  • @josegarcia-zk4ds
    @josegarcia-zk4ds 4 роки тому +274

    Could you do a video about fire in movies? I always get the feeling that it has a lot to analyze

    • @rahulrawat9767
      @rahulrawat9767 4 роки тому +10

      Bane: Fire rises

    • @2-d933
      @2-d933 4 роки тому +5

      @@stopshootfilms4196 Stop self-promoting

    • @rskl8083
      @rskl8083 4 роки тому +1

      The fire lute scene from narnia

    • @fabooshka
      @fabooshka 4 роки тому +1

      Fire in Shutter Island was essential. [SPOILERS]
      When fire was in the scene it suggested the main character was disillusioned.

    • @josegarcia-zk4ds
      @josegarcia-zk4ds 4 роки тому +2

      @@fabooshka Yeah, that movie was the one that actually inspired me to recommend this idea

  • @yoavshati
    @yoavshati 4 роки тому +152

    literally just watched Good Will Hunting for the first time yesterday

    • @6allrandom9
      @6allrandom9 4 роки тому +12

      So how did you like them apples?

    • @notsure6187
      @notsure6187 4 роки тому +2

      Stop & Shoot Films spam

    • @Crippycooke
      @Crippycooke 4 роки тому +6

      It’s not your fault

    • @brianmessemer2973
      @brianmessemer2973 4 роки тому

      Did you get her number? Also, how did you like 'dem apples? @@stopshootfilms4196

    • @brianmessemer2973
      @brianmessemer2973 4 роки тому

      Oh damn you beat me to it 😂 @@6allrandom9

  • @TheArchsage74
    @TheArchsage74 4 роки тому +152

    I miss Robin Williams more than some dead relatives

    • @mynameisnotjoshua645
      @mynameisnotjoshua645 4 роки тому +8

      Jeez

    • @ketgala
      @ketgala 4 роки тому +1

      Ever since I saw that picture of him wearing the Issey Miyake utility bomber I feel the same 😢😢😢

  • @psyplat7184
    @psyplat7184 4 роки тому +261

    A true Boston hero:
    Mark Walberg as Captain America

    • @stopshootfilms4196
      @stopshootfilms4196 4 роки тому

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    • @oof-rr5nf
      @oof-rr5nf 4 роки тому +9

      I'm sorry, Mark Walberg is intolerable. I have only ever liked him in The Departed. And he is always playing the same character.

    • @psyplat7184
      @psyplat7184 4 роки тому +5

      @@oof-rr5nf I'm sorry, Mark Walberg is a God amongst men. The amount of patience you need to have to act in a Transformers movie is immeasurable.

    • @oof-rr5nf
      @oof-rr5nf 4 роки тому

      @@psyplat7184 xD

    • @ShaunRL
      @ShaunRL 4 роки тому +14

      Captain america wouldn't commit a racist hate crime and not apologise for it.

  • @angusorvid8840
    @angusorvid8840 2 роки тому +9

    A very good video. I have family in Springfield, French Catholics, and many are married to Irish. I've also visited Boston many times and have family there. I've noticed the very stark class distinctions even when visiting as a child. While I've never seen any outright WASP vs Catholic conflict, I did find the Harvard crowd to be pretentious and absolutely full of themselves, and I heard how they talk down to the underclass, like security guards, cops and firemen. While I've seen my share of class pretension growing up on the wealthy west side of Los Angeles, it was never so starkly delineated as it is in Boston where you can literally have two parks across the street from each other and the wealthy and working-class mother self-segregate. They don't mix and their children don't mix. As Boston is becoming more and more expensive it will become an elite island of its own, a monoclass city like San Franscisco and New York.

  • @David__U
    @David__U 4 роки тому +172

    Lots of good observations in this, but the geography seems confused. Cambridge is not part of Boston, and South Boston is not all of Boston. Lines like "Irish were relegated to South Boston, below the Charles River" at 1:15 are odd; while it's true S.Boston is south of the Charles, they aren't really near one another. Beacon Hill and the Financial District (of Boston) are between them.
    The most egregious errors start at 6:27. While lots of movies and TV shows do show the Charles River, as the narrator says, the shot here is at the mouth of the Mystic River looking south toward the harbor.
    And at 6:42 the shot is not "looking from South Boston north across the Charles" because again, you can't look across the Charles from South Boston because they are not next to one another! The shot is from Beacon Hill towards Cambridge.
    At 6:50 he says "the camera starts South of Boston", but what's on screen is the Bunker Hill Monument, which is in Charlestown - a neighborhood to the north of downtown Boston and Southie. So the camera is pointed SOUTH from Charlestown, not NORTH from South Boston!

    • @chrislorusso433
      @chrislorusso433 4 роки тому +32

      Exactly. The Charles River is not the dividing line at all. It runs straight through the heart of affluent parts of Boston. The only thing it separates is what kind of elite a person is: Educational elites to the north and political/financial elites to the south - and this is still a bit of a generalization.

    • @mynineridesshotgun
      @mynineridesshotgun 4 роки тому +16

      Thank you. The commentary over the Bunker Hill shot was bothering me.

    • @GagReflexSwagReflex
      @GagReflexSwagReflex 4 роки тому +7

      If there's one group that represents the working class Irish in Boston it's Beacon Hill!

    • @shiivainu9442
      @shiivainu9442 4 роки тому +2

      Thanks for clearing this up!!

    • @stevemctravel3884
      @stevemctravel3884 4 роки тому +4

      Thank you for saying all of this. I was enjoying the video but gritting my teeth at the incorrect geography and the general misconception that “working class and Irish Boston” means Southie. There are some good observations in the video but everyone not from Boston seems to have the impression from movies that Southie is everything south of the Charles River and where all the Irish people live. They need to take a look at a map. Being a working class Irish American from north of the river I take this as a personal insult!

  • @GolerGkA
    @GolerGkA 4 роки тому +50

    Couldn't have came up with better soundtrack than Dropkick Murphys.

  • @iceberghoney
    @iceberghoney 3 роки тому +5

    As someone who's seen a ton of Boston-based movies and has a genuine affection for the city, this video BLEW my mind. From the Irish symbolism in GWH, to the associations around Dunkin', and the representation of Boston women; all of it was incredibly fascinating!

  • @KenDanieli
    @KenDanieli 4 роки тому +10

    Charlestown "The Town" (gritty) and Cambridge (elite) are on the same side of the Charles.
    Southie, South Boston (gritty) and Downtown Boston and Back Bay (elite) are also on the same side of the Charles (the opposite side from The Town and Cambridge. )
    So there goes that one.

    • @ssgg23
      @ssgg23 Рік тому

      Yep, that scene he showed while mentioning "The Town" was Charlestown north of Boston, not Southie. You can immediately tell by the Bunker Hill monument.

  • @JayBelew
    @JayBelew 4 роки тому +14

    Love this channel and the channel a closer look. You guys related at all? Y’all both do an awesome job of video essays.

  • @anncurley123
    @anncurley123 4 роки тому +25

    As an Irish person I felt in my bones that it would have something to do with us before even watching it 😂

  • @Jesse__H
    @Jesse__H 4 роки тому +19

    Enjoyable essay as usual.
    I'm less sure of the particulars of your thesis in this one than some of your others, but hey, it definitely held my attention!

    • @oof-rr5nf
      @oof-rr5nf 4 роки тому +1

      Which particulars?

    • @Jesse__H
      @Jesse__H 4 роки тому +5

      @@oof-rr5nf What I mean is that the _argument_ is ultimately unclear, or maybe just underdeveloped.
      EFaP makes video essays, right? In each one he's trying to convince his viewer of something. Well in this one I'm mostly unconvinced because I'm not positive what he's trying to claim.
      Again, tho, great video nonetheless .

  • @HusarX579
    @HusarX579 4 роки тому

    I really like this videos. You go straight to the point not wasting anyones time, while providing some NEW interesting insights.

  • @maxgamesst1
    @maxgamesst1 4 роки тому +3

    Great video! One of your best written ones yet

  • @Codricmon
    @Codricmon 4 роки тому +15

    This is fascinating; as a German, I never picked up on any of that, as I don't have any association with Boston. That could be an interesting topic for a video; how the difference in values and associations between different societies possibly influenced different films' success and maybe the way Hollywood creates movies to appeal to a more global audience.

  • @kenaldri4923
    @kenaldri4923 Рік тому +6

    The ivy League hatred is real, as is the Charles river divide. I got in a fight once as a visiting band member from Cornell at a Harvard football game. Kids arriving from poorer neighborhoods practically attacked our band as it marched out of the stadium. Not necessarily Irish kids but working class. True story.

  • @Neinzurechts
    @Neinzurechts Рік тому +1

    I'm currently working on a scene from Good Will Hunting for an acting class and I came across this video doing research on Boston and it's history. I learned so much (I'm from Germany and didn't know a lot about the Irish people in America) and it inspired me deeply. Thank you so much!

  • @lukefirst407
    @lukefirst407 4 роки тому +26

    As a Bostonian, thanks.

  • @loveforeignaccents
    @loveforeignaccents 4 роки тому +4

    The things you pick up on always blows my mind!!
    Thanks for sharing :-)

  • @paulsullivan1650
    @paulsullivan1650 4 роки тому +8

    I love how he keeps saying that you're upper class if you're from the Cambridge side of the Charles River. Well, I was born and raised in Cambridge, and grew up in one of the many shitty housing projects there. Believe me, Cambridge is not all elite! Yeah, there's Harvard & M.I.T., and some incredibly rich areas, but there's also the crappy neighborhoods that I grew up in too. Just as there is in any city.

    • @MikeCee7
      @MikeCee7 Рік тому

      I wonder there is any poor areas today in Cambridge tiday, considering it’s not super large area, and gentrification filling in any place that was once previously affordable.

  • @DwRockett
    @DwRockett 4 роки тому

    Great video, really good look at what is often going on in Boston movies

  • @spadeplaladin5
    @spadeplaladin5 4 роки тому

    I love how you play The Deli in so many of your videos, subscribed.

  • @questionmark1152
    @questionmark1152 4 роки тому +15

    Even though all the symbolism in "Good Will Hunting" seems purposely placed a lot of it is most likely coincidental because in Irish neighborhoods all those symbols are everywhere. You would have to try hard to not see them.
    The same goes for the yups at MIT...Any time there is an event by those crowds you're always gonna see American Flags prominently displayed.
    As for their jackets, those 2 jackets were insanely popular here in Massachusetts, not just with Irish kids.
    That being said, I still think you did a very good job to find those little "Easter Eggs" throughout the movie, whether they were intentional or not. Haha

    • @sleeve0
      @sleeve0 Рік тому +1

      i was thinking the same thing when i was younger i dressed pretty much the same as goodwill hunting. i even remember having a pure green pair of sweatpants i’d wear often lol

  • @np8041
    @np8041 4 роки тому +10

    Were reaching symbolism levels that shouldn't even be possible!

  • @akirafelon
    @akirafelon 4 роки тому

    your videos are the best man. always waiting for the next one lol

  • @JanePeg
    @JanePeg 4 роки тому +2

    I was hoping you’d mention Spotlight, just curious how you might see it fit with these other Boston movies. Excellent video.

  • @DailyClickbait
    @DailyClickbait 4 роки тому +92

    Could you do a video talking about the importance of titles?

    • @nativepangea
      @nativepangea 4 роки тому +7

      Too obvious, they are used for breastfeeding.

    • @DailyClickbait
      @DailyClickbait 4 роки тому +2

      @@nativepangea It says *TITLES*

    • @nativepangea
      @nativepangea 4 роки тому +2

      @@DailyClickbait Big and Bold all the much better.

  • @ramstrom6399
    @ramstrom6399 4 роки тому +10

    I’m from Worcester, MA.
    My dad is a Swede and my ma is Lithuanian. There are strong communities for both these groups, yet everyone I meet out west asks me what Irish bar I grew up in

    • @Mister-Christer
      @Mister-Christer 4 роки тому +1

      Cool
      Greetings from Stockholm, Sweden :)

    • @jackdasilva2330
      @jackdasilva2330 4 роки тому

      ahaha buddy you live in the buscheeks not boston

    • @UIAL570
      @UIAL570 3 роки тому +1

      Honestly, I’m Irish, I didn’t know there were those communities in Boston at all.
      People will ask mostly because they don’t get to study it in school to learn more about it and they won’t learn it from other people even in talking because it wouldn’t come up. Mostly people ask about the Irish because we’re famous. The stereotypical Boston accent is half from us and half from the English Puritans of East Anglia.

    • @sydvicous7743
      @sydvicous7743 2 роки тому

      Don’t worry there’s a large Portuguese community that everyone forgets about too. The only movie we got was Mystic Pizza and they don’t even pronounce Portuguese right 🤦🏻‍♀️ “Porch-oo-geese” not Friggin’ “port-u-geeez” Julia Roberts did us a disservice 🤣

    • @inconnu4961
      @inconnu4961 Рік тому

      @@UIAL570 The Irish are infamous!

  • @andrewlemay2491
    @andrewlemay2491 3 роки тому

    You're such a beast man crazy good content every vid

  • @johnwisniewski8712
    @johnwisniewski8712 4 роки тому

    Brilliant analysis! Bravo sir

  • @potatorebel5673
    @potatorebel5673 4 роки тому +9

    Watching this as someone who was born and raised in Boston, and still lives there, is very amusing lmao

    • @Eddie-xj1pm
      @Eddie-xj1pm 4 роки тому

      Potato Rebel can’t agree more lol

    • @LongLeggedOne
      @LongLeggedOne 3 роки тому

      It can be esp since me and others from the area dont watch all this media shit with these images that much. A lot of it wasnt even like this tbh. Just close into the downtown more like those select parts people film when doing movies.

  • @bonksu2141
    @bonksu2141 4 роки тому +12

    I should really be finishing my summer homework because school starts so soon, but I mean, you uploaded a video so I just HAD to stop..

    • @aR0ttenBANANA
      @aR0ttenBANANA 4 роки тому

      What type of school gives summer homework. That's wild

    • @lookingforwhiteprivilege9330
      @lookingforwhiteprivilege9330 4 роки тому

      aR0ttenBANANA96 tons of schools do. At least in the US

    • @mariyam9861
      @mariyam9861 4 роки тому

      lmao Same, I gotta finish AP Lang in the next two days, right before school starts.

  • @matimus9533
    @matimus9533 4 роки тому

    Nice video as always! Well done with the editing at the start with the Dropkick Murphys.

  • @UIAL570
    @UIAL570 3 роки тому +1

    This was a really great video. I loved it. I have never noticed the symbolism you pointed out.

  • @riinak7212
    @riinak7212 4 роки тому +45

    I'm surprised there wasn't any mention of Boston's North End, with its own Catholic roots traced back to Italy and how the two sometimes match up and sometimes have motives opposite of each other. Bostonians aren't all Irish Catholics or English Protestants. There's also a sizeable Polish Catholic community there, too.

    • @emmaforde3745
      @emmaforde3745 4 роки тому +1

      The north end is almost all Italian

    • @Udontkno7
      @Udontkno7 4 роки тому +5

      And the Black Protestants, which definitely don't have the same power as English protestants.

    • @riinak7212
      @riinak7212 4 роки тому +1

      @@Udontkno7 True, though I was commenting specifically on the specific Boston stereotype they were trying to highlight. There is a large, vibrant black Protestant community in Boston from many different places...but I'm not as familiar with it since I'm not specifically from Boston but I mean, Boston is a multi-cultural city like many other places.

    • @adamgordon6435
      @adamgordon6435 4 роки тому +2

      The North End was a Jewish neighborhood before it became Italian. Those immigration waves happened at about the same time, which is why Little Italy & the Lower East Side were next to each other in NYC. Boston also has had sizeable Greek & Portuguese populations (maybe more than Polish).

    • @ctdesign1503
      @ctdesign1503 4 роки тому

      @@adamgordon6435 now they all move to brookline and sharon ...still some in the north end but not like back in the day

  • @trason101
    @trason101 4 роки тому +6

    I would Love to see a video done about Stereotypes for other races and other states.

  • @Mageit
    @Mageit Рік тому

    That was the greatest Segway into a sponsor ad in the history of UA-cam. Also, great video!

  • @Donwaz
    @Donwaz 4 роки тому

    Awesome dude! keep up the great work

  • @KoderKat
    @KoderKat 4 роки тому +3

    I've lived in Boston my whole life.. This video was fun to watch lol

  • @WayTooClose
    @WayTooClose 4 роки тому +3

    Boston... I spent a month there one night.
    (Really good video. I have several friends from Boston I'm going to share this with.)

  • @pon7630
    @pon7630 4 роки тому

    Great video. Keep it up with the amazing work friend.

  • @chrisdauntly17
    @chrisdauntly17 4 роки тому

    You make such great videos!

  • @YouTubeKnight
    @YouTubeKnight 4 роки тому +23

    It's Boastan! How do you like them apples!

  • @KidChardonnay
    @KidChardonnay 2 роки тому +3

    Im from Australia but i've been a celtics fans since I was a kid, i always loved Boston and identified with the hard nosed blue collar stereotype. If i ever go to the states it'll definitely be my first stop

  • @ph4tcat
    @ph4tcat 4 роки тому +1

    I love how he flows into the ad, by the time its over, I have seen the whole thing. LOL

  • @peterk7931
    @peterk7931 4 роки тому +1

    I just want to mention ow great that segue into the sponsor was. Top notch!
    (Not sarcasm. Actual praise.)

  • @Alex617x
    @Alex617x 4 роки тому +14

    Wow. I’m from Boston. This was awesome and so accurate.

  • @KindaGrump
    @KindaGrump 4 роки тому +6

    I knew before the video started that Shipping Up To Boston would play. And honestly it's the most annoying thing about movies set in Boston. It's become a near requirement to play it at least once.

    • @oof-rr5nf
      @oof-rr5nf 4 роки тому +1

      I'VE LOST MY LEEEEEEG! * cue bagpipes *

    • @billypilgrim1
      @billypilgrim1 4 роки тому

      Besides the Departed, tell me more movies, set in Boston, that use that song

  • @JonkiJonkas
    @JonkiJonkas 4 роки тому

    Oh my god this is such an amazing analysis.

  • @bitterOrangish
    @bitterOrangish 4 роки тому

    This is perfect for school project I'm doing. This is some miraculous timing.

  • @conan_der_barbar
    @conan_der_barbar 4 роки тому +7

    I know the Departed was released years ago but I'm not sure those spoilers Werte necessary.

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 4 роки тому +14

    Now answer why did The departed have three look a likes as major characters and why did they leave out Ben Affleck to get a 4 way going.

    • @skottyo
      @skottyo 4 роки тому

      All whites look the same to me.

    • @aidengoulet2104
      @aidengoulet2104 3 роки тому

      Scorsese would never cast Affleck

  • @MistyDusker
    @MistyDusker 4 роки тому

    I immediately remembered Bill Burr talking about the Boston stereotypes when I saw the title. Happy you put him in the beginning of the video.

  • @timslager5966
    @timslager5966 5 місяців тому

    At 6:30 you talk about the Charles River, this shot is from the Tobin Bridge overlooking the Mystic River. Otherwise, i enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing 👍 👍

  • @jjmblue7
    @jjmblue7 4 роки тому +7

    When I think Boston I think of having to ride the T in because driving in the city is somehow an even worse option.

    • @TR-ru7wl
      @TR-ru7wl 4 роки тому +2

      The green line after a sox game taught me patience and pain in equal measure

    • @ronan4413
      @ronan4413 4 роки тому +1

      T R lol

  • @camillevoyage9727
    @camillevoyage9727 4 роки тому +3

    I LOST MY LEG CLIMBING UP THE TOP SAIL I LOST MY LEG

  • @KarlBunker
    @KarlBunker 4 роки тому +1

    Good video and the most compelling Skillshare ad I've seen. (Still not going to sign up, though.) 😊

  • @TheShadow7426
    @TheShadow7426 4 роки тому

    Love these analysis videos! Have you considered directing your own films? I think these days most directors can't make a decent film lol.

  • @aaronclift
    @aaronclift 4 роки тому +38

    The stereotype of Boston might be of Irish-Americans - but Boston happens to be one of the most culturally-diverse cities in the United States.

    • @oof-rr5nf
      @oof-rr5nf 4 роки тому

      oh cool!

    • @oof-rr5nf
      @oof-rr5nf 4 роки тому +3

      @Gery A wow dude your world view is hella sad

    • @johnmarshall3560
      @johnmarshall3560 4 роки тому +8

      Polish, Italian, Irish, Jewish, Haitian, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Brazilian, Vietnamese, Portuguese, and many more
      The Protestant vs. Irish narrative is extremely reductive and ignores most of Boston's history, *especially* the busing crisis and blockbusting, which really defined the city politically and were definitely not "Irish Catholic vs. English Protestant". Also that guy Marky Mark blinded in 1988 definitely wasn't a WASP...
      It saddens me that movies convinced people my city is just one extremely dumb stereotype

    • @ethanelephants4740
      @ethanelephants4740 4 роки тому

      You’re not wrong, come see how many Irish you find in JP

    • @aaronclift
      @aaronclift 4 роки тому

      @@ethanelephants4740 I went to Tufts University for college and didn't have a car back then, so JP was pretty far away from me. But, I did go to Cambridge and downtown Boston a lot and remember there being a very wide mix of different cultures and nationalities in the area.

  • @Kyleology
    @Kyleology 4 роки тому +12

    They come from Boston, I'd imagine.

  • @7roECiLwEl
    @7roECiLwEl 4 роки тому

    thanks for pointing to all these details in good will hunting.. Wow, I'm amazed how much effort is put into these seemingly background things by directors

  • @katie3603
    @katie3603 4 роки тому +2

    It is kinda wild how Boston is basically a mid-sized city but it occupies such a big place in media

    • @THEBIGLIE20
      @THEBIGLIE20 10 місяців тому

      Greater Boston is pretty big and that’s what they are generally referring to.

  • @Onyxkokoro96
    @Onyxkokoro96 4 роки тому +3

    I will say that their addict population is the most bold I've ever seen.

  • @alessandrocwilliam
    @alessandrocwilliam 4 роки тому +45

    Irish immigrants (to the USA) had practically the same difficulties that Italians had. And if it wasn't enough both flags are very similar. Brothers, no doubts.

    • @vaquita4857
      @vaquita4857 4 роки тому

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    • @juliettailor1616
      @juliettailor1616 3 роки тому +3

      Nah, they don't really like each other (Bostonian here). Totally different cultures.

    • @LongLeggedOne
      @LongLeggedOne 3 роки тому +2

      @@juliettailor1616 Im Italian, and guess what, at a time 2 other italians, one even browner than me, called me a mexican. The last name I had both didnt notice as Italian which was a fucking riot. ITS MEXICAN NACHO! Im like um no its not. So people bicker over things like that still. and sometimes u would be called a hick if u lived in a town someone didnt know. as far as irish and italian fights over culture though, I didnt see a ton of it. I do believe the Irish hated the blacks though as well as the puerto ricans. Some Italians also did.

    • @LongLeggedOne
      @LongLeggedOne 3 роки тому

      @@juliettailor1616 I grew up beside Lowell. I had uncles in Boston but I didnt live in Boston.
      I am not sicilian, i had a different sounding last name than the other italians, I am taller and I guess ppl didnt know what I was. but mexican of all things was assumed in this situation.
      And I have not been to Italy wtf..
      U seem quite irritated I hope u're not on a period

    • @juliettailor1616
      @juliettailor1616 3 роки тому

      The majority of Italians are racially (yeah sorry to use that word) light skinned, you aren't, I take it. It's an understandable mistake.
      I have Sicilian relatives (by marriage, I have no Italian blood) from the North End. I got to know them and the culture fairly well.

  • @robchuk4136
    @robchuk4136 4 роки тому +1

    I must have only watching it a few times, but I never noticed the Irish color schemes in Good Will Hunting. Mind. Blown.

  • @vlngtrsk8
    @vlngtrsk8 4 роки тому

    You make such quality content

  • @error.418
    @error.418 4 роки тому +5

    7:35 *raises the question, it's not circular logic

  • @XandroR2
    @XandroR2 4 роки тому +3

    TF2 Scout: How about me?

  • @aro5490
    @aro5490 2 роки тому

    this was interesting. I would love to see how you would incorporate Spotlight into your analysis of iconic Boston films

  • @Dariusxwebb
    @Dariusxwebb 4 роки тому

    idc if i have to wait a month for a video they are always good

  • @harwantsethi2350
    @harwantsethi2350 4 роки тому +3

    Whoever recorded this seems to think that everything in the actual city of Boston is 'Southie'

  • @uncomfortablecat
    @uncomfortablecat 4 роки тому +20

    I see Bill Burr, I like the video.

  • @noahkeller7918
    @noahkeller7918 4 роки тому

    Nice video man

  • @remaininginlight
    @remaininginlight 4 роки тому

    EXCELLENT video. So interesting.

  • @dolphwong
    @dolphwong 4 роки тому +3

    0:30 I put up that yellow and white tent in the background. True story

    • @thomasharris1090
      @thomasharris1090 4 роки тому +1

      dolphwolf do tell

    • @dolphwong
      @dolphwong 4 роки тому +1

      Not much of a story to tell. I used to work for a tent company putting up tents for all kinds of events in the Boston area. On any given day you could be working on the Charles setting up for some elite function, putting up tents the size of football fields for Harvard or MIT graduation. On this particular day we showed up at Harvard and we were told that they were filming a Robin Williams movie.

  • @ranchu85
    @ranchu85 4 роки тому +5

    For once I wanna see a Boston movie with Vietnamese, Haitians and Portuguese.

  • @dazyjones6234
    @dazyjones6234 2 роки тому

    👍🤗Very interesting...never knew that! Always good when things are explained ☺️

  • @srijanmallina4731
    @srijanmallina4731 4 роки тому

    Bro I love your work so much

  • @notsure6187
    @notsure6187 4 роки тому +3

    Could you produce a video highlighting the importance of spoiler alerts?

    • @averyshaw2142
      @averyshaw2142 4 роки тому

      Not Sure ikr the entire plot the departed is in this

  • @makingcostumes
    @makingcostumes 4 роки тому +16

    Manchester by the sea, is north of Boston.

    • @rosethesinger
      @rosethesinger 4 роки тому +1

      Richelle Murray I was thinking the same thing. He also showed a shot of bunker hill which is north of Boston and said it was a shot of south Boston.

    • @leopaul4955
      @leopaul4955 4 роки тому

      @@rosethesinger Bunker Hill is in Charlestown, a part of Boston, close to North End.

    • @rosethesinger
      @rosethesinger 4 роки тому

      Leo Paul what are you trying to say here? I just said it was a shot of bunker hill because it’s well known to be on the Northern side of Boston. People from the area more often know where bunker hill is versus where Charlestown is.

    • @leopaul4955
      @leopaul4955 4 роки тому

      @@rosethesinger Sorry Rose. I must have misunderstood. I thought you said North of Boston. I didn't realize you said North side of Boston, whichi s absolutely correct. My bad.

  • @SonRob01
    @SonRob01 4 роки тому

    Love the song choice of shipping up to Boston

  • @missxxfrankiexxd
    @missxxfrankiexxd 4 роки тому +1

    I know that I'm like a year late, but Dunkin's is definitely very Boston / Mass. The first shop was opened in Quincy.