You should see our other shooting places. If I wanted to, and had the telescope to make sure nobody was downrange, I could take a 5000 yard shot! Flat gravel desert as far as the eye can see.
Well then I think the only solution is for you and the Bloke to take a trip over here and swelter in the desert with us. It's always fun being miserable around friends with similar interests.
I can't remember but it was at least several rounds. I only brought 10 Whitworth cartridges up the hill, and I don't think I brought more than 2 or 3 at most back down. Since neither of us brought cleaning rods up, and loading was getting rough, we prudently agreed to call it a tie at 3 all!
We made it... and when I got home we realized the wind noise was so bad that the video is useless. I still use some of that video for stock footage but we will have to re-make it later on. Since then we have invested in a very good wind sock for our microphone that will not pick up the wind noise.
It is a reproduction by Pedersoli and yes, it has the hexagonal rifling in .451cal. I can shoot round and hexagonal bullets in it, though to be honest, I actually prefer the round bullets. They seem to load easier. I can’t tell any difference in accuracy between the two. They both ring steel at very long distances!
@@papercartridges6705 What are you casting your hexagonal bullets out of? Other channels have all used the same soft lead as the round bullet when they should have used a harder alloy because it doesn't have to deform.
@@papercartridges6705 Thank you for the reply. In your experience, what is the better of the reproducers of civil war era rifles. Mainly the p53 Enfield and 1861 Springfield?
Shooting in such conditions, (character building to say the least)..."Mad dogs & Englishmen", comes immediately to mind! Was Dan using the .550's or the .568's?
Yes, ordinary “stock” Enfield with service ammunition. The shooter is exceptionally skilled, and there was a degree of luck... between the very skilled shooter and everything working just right, this is at the extreme limit of range for point targets with the Enfield. Goes to show what the old war horse Enfield is capable of in the right hands, though!
The whitworth was massively more accurate due to the bullet being hexagonal and because it also fit the barrel perfectly so it did not wobble at all, it was point blank accurate out to 1400 yards during the civil war with many union officers dying to snipers.
Oh to have access to such a range ❤️
You should see our other shooting places. If I wanted to, and had the telescope to make sure nobody was downrange, I could take a 5000 yard shot! Flat gravel desert as far as the eye can see.
@@papercartridges6705 The maximum I can hope for is 300m (200m for black powder or anything non FMJ).
@@thebotrchap Ah swizterland?
@@TheMwarrior50 Yep. I consider myself lucky that I get to shoot at 100 and 200 with my smoke poles a few times a year, otherwise it’s 50 max
Well then I think the only solution is for you and the Bloke to take a trip over here and swelter in the desert with us. It's always fun being miserable around friends with similar interests.
Yall really need to look into the North-South Skirmish Association, we play with enfields and Springfields regularly.
P53 was a killer in its day....500+yds...
Funny how much fun hellish conditions can be.
Good job
This is a great competition, please tell me if it’s planned again, I’ve a reproduction Ferguson I’d give a go
I want a whitworth so bad!!! Ah!!!! I have no use for one except fun but I’ve wanted one for years
so anything with blackpowder can be counted as musketry?
so a chassepot and lee-metford count...
music or voice… .not both at once. I wanted to hear what you had to say. Ty
How long did you guys exchange turns to record 3 hits each? In that heat that looks brutal, and then he kept his jacket on? Hard core..
I can't remember but it was at least several rounds. I only brought 10 Whitworth cartridges up the hill, and I don't think I brought more than 2 or 3 at most back down. Since neither of us brought cleaning rods up, and loading was getting rough, we prudently agreed to call it a tie at 3 all!
@@papercartridges6705 awesome. Looks like great time were had by all, in spite of the heat. Thanks for sharing this video with us.
Nobody used a rolling block with smokeless .45-70 in it? It was designed for black powder, right?
I’m not sure, I unfortunately don’t know much about .45-70s
The trapdoor is a black powder rifle, the 1892 Krag was the US Army's first smokeless powder rifle and carbine.
Cool area to shoot at, I'll stick to my nice eastern woodlands though!
What happened to the Springfield vs Enfield video?
We made it... and when I got home we realized the wind noise was so bad that the video is useless. I still use some of that video for stock footage but we will have to re-make it later on. Since then we have invested in a very good wind sock for our microphone that will not pick up the wind noise.
@@papercartridges6705 Thank you for the update.
I have to ask, where did you find a replica Whitworth? Is it made with the proper hexagonal rifling?
It is a reproduction by Pedersoli and yes, it has the hexagonal rifling in .451cal. I can shoot round and hexagonal bullets in it, though to be honest, I actually prefer the round bullets. They seem to load easier. I can’t tell any difference in accuracy between the two. They both ring steel at very long distances!
Pedersoli is who I made my 1861 Springfield and she shoots great
@@papercartridges6705 What are you casting your hexagonal bullets out of? Other channels have all used the same soft lead as the round bullet when they should have used a harder alloy because it doesn't have to deform.
Good shootin', boys!
Who is the manufacture of this particular Enfield?
It used to be an Armisport but I had a custom barrel made by Whitacre and a complete defarb, so it’s come a long way from its old Italian home.
@@papercartridges6705 Thank you for the reply. In your experience, what is the better of the reproducers of civil war era rifles. Mainly the p53 Enfield and 1861 Springfield?
Is that a pedersoli enfield?
Yes, with the awful clean out screw.
Hey Im there!
Woohoo!! Alright! 💪👏👏👌 🏅🏆
And then try to make a video with shooting at a distance of 600-800 meters from the Dreyse rifle and the Danish musket rifle 1848.
Think 3-400yards would be sufficient to show the difference.
The Enfield can't do 800 tho
Not all battles are bluebird days.
Gettysburg...
I think i might very well have spontaneously combusted in that heat....
I had to keep my cartridges in an ice chest, to prevent the lube from melting off.
@@papercartridges6705 makes you wonder how the squaddies did it in Sudan and the other hot and shitty places they did their stuff.
Lunatics indeed.
Shooting in such conditions, (character building to say the least)..."Mad dogs & Englishmen", comes immediately to mind!
Was Dan using the .550's or the .568's?
I am almost certain they were .568’s
whitworth was the most accurate rifle in the world at the time of the civil war
Only if I was there with my superior Burtons. Or even a lee trash can over 40g of 3f.
yes you could have shown all of us Neanderthals with Pritchett cartridges how it should really be done
@@papercartridges6705 after reading your articles and book, its painfully clear I am the Neanderthal!
@@olympicblackpowderrifles3155 you guys should come down to the desert with us, when I get home.
Love it..oh feck off...lol
just imagine dinging yankee officers at that range back in the day.
Jack Hinson brung me gere
This is an ordinary soldier’s Enfield? Using standard issue ammunition? It rather debunks the mythology of the Whitworth.
Yes, ordinary “stock” Enfield with service ammunition. The shooter is exceptionally skilled, and there was a degree of luck... between the very skilled shooter and everything working just right, this is at the extreme limit of range for point targets with the Enfield. Goes to show what the old war horse Enfield is capable of in the right hands, though!
The whitworth was massively more accurate due to the bullet being hexagonal and because it also fit the barrel perfectly so it did not wobble at all, it was point blank accurate out to 1400 yards during the civil war with many union officers dying to snipers.